Regarding:
The Big Lie Technique of Scammers, Courtesy of Adolf Hitler
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/11/10/the-big-lie-technique-of-scammers-
courtesy-of-adolf-hitler/
In regards to the pursuit of scientific investigation, personally I think
the late author Jacob Bronowski said it
Higgins Bob-CBH003 bob.higg...@motorolasolutions.com wrote:
One of the reasons that Rossi may not wish to run a very long
test is that
I suspect that HE is the control mechanism. When it is run
in self-sustaining mode, after some period it will need to be
briefly reheated to stabilize
Rossi has stated each E-Cat module has it own control system. There are
2 wires / cables connected to each module in addition to a earth wire
plus the 2 heater power wires. I doubt the 2 non heater power wires are
there for show. Additionally it has been disclosed that Rossi and NI
have been
David Roberson wrote:
Jed, I am waiting for Mary to give an example. It is not your question.
Just in case someone were to scam your experiment, you have to realize
that there are no limits on what is acceptable. You would not be able
to set up the final experiment since that is part of the
/snip/
Additionally it has been disclosed that Rossi and NI have been working
together for some time as well as the fact that Rossi had 107 modules working
in parallel for 5.5 hours and maintained a very good regulation on the heat
output.
/snip/
Statements from NI do not indicate that they
Vorl Bek wrote:
This is what Rossi has said on many occasions. He says he cannot
leave the thing, especially in self-sustaining mode.
The idea that Rossi would do an unconvincing demo because he
needed to empty his bladder or get some sleep, and could not
delegate control for a while, makes
Vorl Bek wrote:
This is what Rossi has said on many occasions. He says he
cannot leave the thing, especially in self-sustaining mode.
The idea that Rossi would do an unconvincing demo because he
needed to empty his bladder or get some sleep, and could not
delegate control for a
Mary, you seem to love to find ways to scam scientific tests or do magic
tricks or whatever. Let me ask you a question. Can you name one
scientific experiment that is impossible to scam from the past? I tried
and can not come up with one, so give it a try. There are many ways to
suggest a
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minor_Scale
I think there is a consensus that Rossi was the control mechanism for his
earlier devices. If this is the situation, he will not be able to leave
for any extended length of time. The self sustaining mode, if that is what
they witnessed, will require careful control if operated for very long.
/snip/
Additionally it has been disclosed that Rossi and NI have been working
together for some time as well as the fact that Rossi had 107 modules
working in parallel for 5.5 hours and maintained a very good regulation on
the heat output.
/snip/
The reactivity of Rossi's reactor is directly
or
something. ;-) This is similiar to the proceedure that magicians use when they
do their magic.
No more games Mary.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, Nov 11, 2011 12:06 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Physorg comments : new
OK Mary, you are correct in realizing that Rossi could be attempting a
fake. Many of his supporters have reviewed the sparse data supplied during
his demonstrations and have convinced ourselves that it is real. I am
confident that we are seeing a real LENR device.
I'm happy for you, David,
.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, Nov 11, 2011 12:06 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Physorg comments : new Krivit Crusade
Mary, you seem to love to find ways to scam scientific tests or do magic
tricks or whatever
Faking experiments is beginning to become boring so let's call it a day. That
is the game I made reference to.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, Nov 11, 2011 1:16 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Physorg comments : new Krivit
Daniel Rocha wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minor_Scale
An interesting example.
This was a conventional explosion that simulated a 4.8 kt nuclear
explosion. A person observing this from a distance might have difficulty
determining whether it is nuclear or chemical. Of course if you
oh oh. This is not the proof we wanted :)
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/mystery-radiation-detected-europe/story?id=14932064#.Tr1zdcNFunA
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Daniel Rocha wrote:
Faking experiments is beginning to become boring so let's call it a day.
That is the game I made reference to.
Sorry if it bores you. The possibility that everything Rossi has shown is
fake and that all the people who have endorsed it are being flummoxed is
fascinating to me. So much of life,
From: Jeff Sutton
This is not the proof we wanted :)
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/mystery-radiation-detected-europe/story?id=149
32064#.Tr1zdcNFunA
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/mystery-radiation-detected-europe/story?id=14
932064
This story involves the release of iodine-131, apparently
I wrote This is not the proof we wanted :)
It was intended to be humorousRossi does major 1MW test at the end of
October and in November there is a radioactive pollution across Europe from
an unknown source.
The skeptics would be proven wrong and the optimists would be wishing the
skeptics
Apparently not known yet but there are so many possibilities.
I also saw recently that Chernobyl is badly in need of a new concrete
encasement but no money to do it.
I hope the era of power by fission is coming to a close.
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 4:50 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Sterling Allan: Arm-in-Arm with Andrea Rossi
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/11/10/sterling-allan-arm-in-arm-with-andrea-rossi/
and others
The Big Lie Technique of Scammers, Courtesy of Adolf Hitler
Rossi Source for Fox and MSNBC: Obama Teleported to Mars
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/11/10/rossis-source-for-fox-and-msnbc-says-obama-teleported-to-mars/
I am beginning to like Krivit; that one was pretty funny.
And he had the brains and initiative to make the FOIA request to
NASA.
The lady (Krivit:) doth protest too much, methinks to quote
Shakespeareor maybe he was a fraud too?
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com wrote:
Rossi Source for Fox and MSNBC: Obama Teleported to Mars
Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com wrote:
- Nelson's comments just put the cap on what has been asked so often: why
does Rossi's six-month-between-charges e-cat never self-sustain long enough
to eliminate the possibility of the heat
coming from a chemical reaction?
Here is a similar loaded
One of the reasons that Rossi may not wish to run a very long test is
that I suspect that HE is the control mechanism. When it is run in
self-sustaining mode, after some period it will need to be briefly
reheated to stabilize the mode. If it was not in self-sustaining mode,
then it may be in
Bob wrote One of the reasons that Rossi may not wish to run a very long test is
that I suspect that HE is the control mechanism.
Agreed. I think all logic points to this.
I suspect some of the complicated claims to how Rossi is scamming
people are beginning to rivalcold fusion itself.
Regarding Rossi, there are obviously many answered questions that
remain that could either scientifically verify or refute his
extraordinary claims.
I don't know whether Rossi is a SCAM artist or whether he is the real
deal. Let me repeat that: I DON'T KNOW!!! Granted, I have my
suspicions... I
Higgins Bob-CBH003 bob.higg...@motorolasolutions.com wrote:
One of the reasons that Rossi may not wish to run a very long test is that
I suspect that HE is the control mechanism. When it is run
in self-sustaining mode, after some period it will need to be
briefly reheated to stabilize the
At 02:48 PM 11/10/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Here is a similar loaded question:
Q: Why does Obama refuse to show his birth certificate?
A: He did show his birth certificate. This question incorporates a falsehood.
I finally have convergence between my OTHER Conspiracy Theory
(with hard-coded
Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
AND Krivit invoked Godwin's Law .
Actually, *you* invoked Godwin's law, a.k.a. *Reductio ad Hitlerum*. Krivit
. . . embodied it? Violated it? Triggered it? Not sure what the right verb
would be.
- Jed
]:Physorg comments : new Krivit Crusade
Regarding Rossi, there are obviously many answered questions that
emain that could either scientifically verify or refute his
xtraordinary claims.
I don't know whether Rossi is a SCAM artist or whether he is the real
eal. Let me repeat that: I DON'T KNOW
At 03:38 PM 11/10/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Alan J Fletcher
a...@well.com wrote:
AND Krivit invoked Godwin's Law .
Actually, you invoked Godwin's law, a.k.a. Reductio ad
Hitlerum. Krivit . . . embodied it? Violated it? Triggered it? Not
sure what the right verb would be.
Krivit started it :
Hi,
Any news from the Witch Doctor?
Kind regards,
MoB
Even if Rossi were to run the thing for 40 hours or 40 days, I am certain
you would demand more. You would still be finding excuses not to believe it.
There may be other reasons not to believe in it but certainly a 40 hour run
is more persuasive than a 4 hour one, especially when there is no
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 9:16 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
But
many people are not convinced that Rossi even has or had a customer other
than himself. I know little evidence if any that he did other than what he
and Engineer F. said (sorry, can't remember the spelling).
Col.
Col. (Ret.) Domenico Fioravanti
Thanks. I hope there is a tough journalist interview with him soon. I
doubt that there ever will be.
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 9:29 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Col. (Ret.) Domenico Fioravanti
Thanks. I hope there is a tough journalist interview with him soon. I
doubt that there ever will be.
You go, Mare! (But careful, you're running close to your 40 post per
minute limit on
You go, Mare! (But careful, you're running close to your 40 post per
minute limit on Vortex ;-)
Thanks. I'm done. I actually have to work on something else for a living
some of the time.
Meanwhile, I notice that when NASA came up, the enthusiasts on
ecatnews.comstarted talking about
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Even if Rossi were to run the thing for 40 hours or 40 days, I am certain
you would demand more. You would still be finding excuses not to believe it.
There may be other reasons not to believe in it but certainly a 40 hour
run is more persuasive than a 4
to
think too hard. I bet the vortex can figure a way to fake any you name.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, Nov 10, 2011 10:06 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Physorg comments : new Krivit Crusade
You go, Mare! (But careful
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Mary, you seem to love to find ways to scam scientific tests or do magic
tricks or whatever. Let me ask you a question. Can you name one
scientific experiment that is impossible to scam from the past?
The one I just cited, from the present, right
Pick one to have scammed.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:26 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Physorg comments : new Krivit Crusade
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Mary, you seem to love
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Pick one to have scammed.
Please, after you. Pick one yourself -- whichever you consider easiest to
scam, and tell us how you would do it.
Mind you, when the telegraph and years later the phonograph were
demonstrated to Members of Congress, some of them
I wrote:
Pick one to have scammed.
Please, after you. Pick one yourself -- whichever you consider easiest to
scam, and tell us how you would do it.
By the way, I do not mean that it is impossible to make a fake telephone
with gutta percha, or a fake x-ray with a pre-arranged photo. I
I think it is up to Mary Yugo. She is the one that the question was posed to.
I will await her response.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, Nov 11, 2011 12:41 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Physorg comments : new
-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, Nov 11, 2011 1:01 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Physorg comments : new Krivit Crusade
I wrote:
Pick one to have scammed.
Please, after you. Pick one yourself -- whichever you consider easiest
Poor Journalism by Fox News on Rossi Story
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/11/09/poor-journalism-by-fox-news-on-rossi-story/
Poor Journalism by Physorg on Rossi Story
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/11/09/poor-journalism-by-physorg-on-rossi-story/
Poor Journalism by Wired U.K. on Rossi
to challenge him. Thats bad journalism in it's own right, the VERY THING he's so eager to point out as a fault with everyone else!Can't Krivit just admit that he's bitter about Rossi calling him a snake and be done with it?
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Subject: Re: [Vo]:Physorg comments : new
Krivit seems to have an awful lot of time on his hands to follow other
peoples coverage of Rossi. Either this translates to traffic for his blog
and advertising revenue from it, he is mounting a personal vendetta of
impressive proportions, or he has another source of revenue to support
him as he
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