On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
I understand and agree with all the reasons but the problem I see is
accounting for the water. But how much water? I can't really tell what
Lewan measured.
It's pretty simple. Lewan measured about 11 liters going in to
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 7:31 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
An ultrasonic nebulizer is certainly possibly but it's a bit far fetched.
A bit? How would the water from this reach the end of the hose without
forming drops and becoming an
So some things are impossible? You should keep an open mind. It doesn't
violate any principles of physics for a mist of micrometer droplets to
travel through a hose, and it is far more plausible than radiationless
nuclear reactions producing heat.
Joshua:
Considering this mist after
Cude wrote:
So some things are impossible? You should keep an open mind. It doesn't
violate any principles of physics for a mist of micrometer droplets to
travel through a hose, and it is far more plausible than radiationless
nuclear reactions producing heat.
What is possible and
I wrote:
I could set up a test to do that this afternoon, since I have an
ultrasonic humidifier. I would use a plastic bag to funnel the mist into a
short garden hose, and put a bucket at the end of the hose to collect the
water.
Use a scale to weigh the bucket and the humidifier reservoir
I have one of those, 5L. At maximum power, it takes 33W and 15 hours to
empty all the reservoir, but the fog is so dense that it falls within a
meter but it is so opaque cannot see through it. Despite all this, putting
my hand in front of exit of the fog, it takes a few seconds to make my hand
BTW, the vertical component of the exit tube of my humidifier is only 5cm
long...
2011/12/13 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com
I have one of those, 5L. At maximum power, it takes 33W and 15 hours to
empty all the reservoir, but the fog is so dense that it falls within a
meter but it is so
Daniel Rocha wrote:
BTW, the vertical component of the exit tube of my humidifier is only
5cm long...
Mine too. As I said, I think you could use a plastic bag to funnel the
vapor into a hose.
Put a plastic bag around the exit tube, and tape it. Cut off one corner
of the bag leaving a
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Cude wrote:
So some things are impossible? You should keep an open mind. It doesn't
violate any principles of physics for a mist of micrometer droplets to
travel through a hose, and it is far more plausible than
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
I have one of those, 5L. At maximum power, it takes 33W and 15 hours to
empty all the reservoir, but the fog is so dense that it falls within a
meter but it is so opaque cannot see through it. Despite all this, putting
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Daniel Rocha wrote:
BTW, the vertical component of the exit tube of my humidifier is only 5cm
long...
Mine too. As I said, I think you could use a plastic bag to funnel the
vapor into a hose.
Be sure to mix it
Even if all is carried, the fog is extremely think and doesn't match the
video. And even with a such thick fog, my hand, it takes seconds for my
hand to feel the moisture. This leads me to think that it is impossible
that more than 1/1 of liquid by liquid is present in that video.
2011/12/13
*liquid by volume
2011/12/13 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com
Even if all is carried, the fog is extremely think and doesn't match the
video. And even with a such thick fog, my hand, it takes seconds for my
hand to feel the moisture. This leads me to think that it is impossible
that more
I'm sorry if this has been discussed before. What I find odd about Newan's
documentation is that he notes the boiling point at 99.5 C. He then adds .5 C
to that on page two when explaining the outlet under approximately 200 mm or so
of water. So he gets 100 C overall and a measured T out of
Here is a message from Mats Lewan.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - -
A couple of comments.
- The report you should refer to is this:
http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3166569.ece/BINARY/Report+test+of+E-cat+28+April+2011.pdf
Mary referred correctly to this report, but someone referred also to
On 13 December 2011 23:25, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
The higher temperature might as well be due to a slightly increased pressure
inside the Ecat resulting in a higher boiling point
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax calculated this many months ago. If steam was
saturated (what is almost
Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote:
However, it is very sad, that Lewan forgot to do simple steam sparging
test, what would have been given simple datapoint of the overall
performance.
I discussed this with him. I think the bucket was too far from the reactor
to do this
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
I calibrated the thermocouple in a pot of boiling water before the test
and it was 99.6 deg C. That’s all you need to know. It’s in the report.
The temperatures +/- a degree or two within boiling are not informative.
17:16:31 -0500
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Reviewing Lewan's test of April 2011
From: jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote:
However, it is very sad, that Lewan forgot to do simple steam sparging
test, what would have been given simple datapoint
I don't see how boiling a pot of water and sticking a thermometer somewhere
into the swirling flow can possibly be as accurate as calculating it. Depending
on the heat source, the pot and the placement of the thermometer you should
always find a range of temperatures at least one or two degrees
Ransom Wuller, an attorney who hangs out on Ecatnews.com, asked me to ...
well here's what he said:
Oh and Maryyugo, you can do Lewan's second test really easy, take a hose,
run 11 liters of water through it into a 6 liter bucket and let me know if
your floor gets wet, if so you just proved Rossi
OK. Looked at the video at
http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3166552.ece .
I'm not sure if that's the right video for Wuller's question but if so,
it's the infamous stable, stable video in which Lewan is walking all over
the room with his camera, nobody is watching the
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
I have to admit, I can't follow the PDF report enough to figure out what
reservoir 1 and 2 are and what volumes Lewan is measuring.And even if
Lewan lost some water along the way, was it necessarily converted to steam?
If it was still liquid, it
These tests would require direct fraudulent action by Rossi. Bad calorimetry
(ignoring water overflow) is insufficient to explain the power.
http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3166567.ece/BINARY/Report+test+of+E-cat+19+April+2011.pdf
Energy calculation:
Conservative value of inlet water
Ransompw is desperate to justify his faith in Rossi, but this experiment is
hardly the one to do it, for several reasons:
1) If half the liquid is escaping the hose as steam as ransom claims, then
there should be a flow of gas at the output close to 1 L/s. There is no way
the gas coming out of
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Also, if the water was in the mythical state discussed here in which it is
90% liquid and 10% vapor, the liquid portion would definitely fall into the
bucket. The only way it could not have reached the bucket would be
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Anyone know what really happened there
No one, except AR, *knows* what is happening. All is speculation. I
would recommend the advice of Buffalo Springfield:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5M_Ttstbgs
What a field day for
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 2:37 PM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
Ransompw is desperate to justify his faith in Rossi, but this experiment
is hardly the one to do it, for several reasons:SNIP
I understand and agree with all the reasons but the problem I see is
accounting for the
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
An ultrasonic nebulizer is certainly possibly but it's a bit far fetched.
A bit? How would the water from this reach the end of the hose without
forming drops and becoming an ordinary flow of water? I would say that is
impossible.
- Jed
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