To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion tells a reader : visit us
M.Y. : Can you mention the name of any well known scientist, engineer,
reporter or major company which has visited you, been favorably impressed by
the technology you showed them, and with whom we could get confirmation
What an obvious cop out. Oh sure, Maryyugo, we'll be happy to have you a
guest and you can report back freely what you think... ... oh, and by the
way, you'll be the first ever. Yah shoore-- I'm supposed to believe
they'd invite me, an anonymous person on the internet, when they didn't
invite
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
Hate to sound paranoid, but, do you get the feeling like someone is watching
us?
DGT reads this forum.
T
Ha! No soup for you, Mary! And no, you can't have anybody else's, either.
I'm sure whoever visits will be sworn to secrecy. To protect the trade secrets,
of course, because they don't have a patent on what they're about to mass
produce!
On Dec 14, 2011, at 19:38, Alan J Fletcher
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 8:35 PM, Charles Hope
lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.com wrote:
Ha! No soup for you, Mary! And no, you can't have anybody else's, either.
I'm sure whoever visits will be sworn to secrecy. To protect the trade
secrets, of course, because they don't have a patent on what
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 8:35 PM, Charles Hope
lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.com wrote:
Ha! No soup for you, Mary! And no, you can't have anybody else's, either.
I'm sure whoever visits will be sworn to secrecy. To protect
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 5:35 PM, Charles Hope
lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.comwrote:
Ha! No soup for you, Mary! And no, you can't have anybody else's, either.
I'm sure whoever visits will be sworn to secrecy. To protect the trade
secrets, of course, because they don't have a patent on what
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 5:35 PM, Charles Hope
lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.comwrote:
Ha! No soup for you, Mary! And no, you can't have anybody else's, either.
I'm sure whoever visits will be sworn to secrecy. To protect the trade
secrets, of course, because they don't have a patent on what
Yeah, I was wondering if anyone would notice the irony.
On Dec 14, 2011, at 21:27, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 5:35 PM, Charles Hope lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.com
wrote:
Ha! No soup for you, Mary! And no, you can't have anybody else's, either.
I'm
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 6:43 PM, Charles Hope
lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.comwrote:
Yeah, I was wondering if anyone would notice the irony.
Sorry, my iron was on cold.
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:24 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
There's still a chance if she logs in as someone else because they
don't know who he/she really is.
Nonsense. Why would they let me, of all
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 10:07 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
All you have to do is create an account under, say, Jaguar, and act
like a believer. Then you say that you'd like to visit like that pell
dude.
Of course you can't get in if it's only an out.
It's called calling the
Interesting.
I wonder if DGT will also propose what kind of nuclear/LENR steps are
most likely being taken to produce the copper.
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Some stainless steels contain a few percent copper...
On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 6:56 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
Interesting.
I wonder if DGT will also propose what kind of nuclear/LENR steps are
most likely being taken to produce the copper.
Regards
On 2011-11-29 13:32, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
On 2011-11-29 12:14, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
Hello group,
http://www.energeticambiente.it/sistemi-idrogeno-nikel/14742857-novita-cella-piantelli-5.html#post119273029
Roy Virgilio states again and confirms that there are no agreements
between the
PRAXEN - DEFKALION GREEN TECHNOLOGIES GLOBAL
PRESS RELEASE
--
Wednesday 30th November, 2011
Today, and through our company website, Praxen - Defkalion Green
Technologies Global has disclosed its
Looking at the specs, they really want happy customers.
There's even a Pleasure and Temperature Sensor on Page 4.
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
PRAXEN - DEFKALION GREEN TECHNOLOGIES GLOBAL
PRESS RELEASE
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Robert Leguillon
robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote:
Looking at the specs, they really want happy customers.
There's even a Pleasure and Temperature Sensor on Page 4.
Jed rewrote their first press release for them. I guess his heroic
efforts are needed again!
There is no information on availability! Or tests!
2011/11/30 Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com
Looking at the specs, they really want happy customers.
There's even a Pleasure and Temperature Sensor on Page 4.
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
PRAXEN - DEFKALION GREEN
Is the unit basically a small furnace, perhaps to heat a few rooms or water?
What's the COP on this configuration? I haven't been able to determine that yet.
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Orionworks sez:
Is the unit basically a small furnace, perhaps to heat a few rooms or water?
What's the COP on this configuration? I haven't been able to determine that
yet.
Let me clarify. It sez it's for Domestic or Building, Agricultural and
Industrial uses.
It looks to me like it's a
@eskimo.com
Datum: 30.11.2011 15:30
Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Prepares
Is the unit basically a small furnace, perhaps to heat a few rooms or
water?
What's the COP on this configuration? I haven't been able to determine that
yet.
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
On Wed, 2011-11-30 at 08:30 -0600, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:
Is the unit basically a small furnace, perhaps to heat a few rooms or water?
What's the COP on this configuration? I haven't been able to determine that
yet.
For the single reactor kernel, from page 18 of the spec
So, they can keep it working for months without energy input even with a
highly inefficient generator...
2011/11/30 Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com
On Wed, 2011-11-30 at 08:30 -0600, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:
Is the unit basically a small furnace, perhaps to heat a few rooms
From Peter:
minimum COP is 25 so far I remember.
Details are here:
http://www.defkalion-energy.com/files/HyperionSpecsSheetNovember2011.pdf
25?
On page 18 it sez: COP Better than 1:25 / 1:32
Big discrepancy here.
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 9:30 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
Is the unit basically a small furnace, perhaps to heat a few rooms or water?
What's the COP on this configuration? I haven't been able to determine that
yet.
Mama bear COP = 25 @ 11 kW; papa bear
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 9:30 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
Is the unit basically a small furnace, perhaps to heat a few rooms or water?
What's the COP on this configuration? I haven't
Two terminally blurry images and a bunch of computer assisted drawings?
It's hardly what Defkalion was claiming for months they had -- many devices
under extensive testing at high power levels and long runs. What ever
happened to the much advertised program to have the Greek authorities
validate
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Two terminally blurry images and a bunch of computer assisted drawings?
It's hardly what Defkalion was claiming for months they had -- many devices
under extensive testing at high power levels and long runs. What ever
In this case you have to ask them, not us, Vortexians because we have just
received this document. If the performances presented are real/true, it is
excellent.
Anyway, compare DGT's engineering with Rossi's.
Peter
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Two
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Prepares
PRAXEN - DEFKALION GREEN TECHNOLOGIES GLOBAL
PRESS RELEASE
--
Wednesday 30th November, 2011
Today, and through our company website, Praxen - Defkalion Green
By a poster called Per:
If they improve on a process that is stolen it does not change the fact, that
it's stolen. Read the inteview. Defkalion please prove otherwise!
Defkalion needs to moderate posts. It will be more work, but the forum is going
to quickly run out of control (again). They
So, it is likely that Piantelli is involved in this, after all:
*Piantelli* is working with the *University of Siena* on his Ni-H cell
http://ecatnews.com/?p=581
2011/11/29 Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com
Hello group,
Have a read at this article posted today on NyTeknik. It's
If this is true they are gangsters and Rossi has my full support.
And also at University of Siena they have gangsters, if this is true.
This doesnt shed a good light on their previous work for Piantelli.
Possibly they are all gangsters, and this all is a horrible soap opera.
Could be, nothing is
Others have openly admitted in trying to get a spectrum. And joked about
it how Rossi got angry at them for trying it on. Like it had no value.
Almost suggesting Rossi had no right to withhold it from science. If
true I do hope he sues the University and all involved for everything
they have.
The moment you fill the patent, you get the rights to the vindicated
novelties, you don't need to wait until it is granted. Of course, if you
are denied the patent or the inventive points, you lose the rights
accordingly.
So, if everything proven and the patent is well written, Rossi does not
On 2011-11-29 12:14, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
Hello group,
For what it's worth, Daniele Passerini on a recent comment in his Blog
[1] is saying that when Roy Virgilio denied any relationship between
Piantelli and DGT, he answered him privately that according to his
sources both do have an
On 2011-11-29 13:01, peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
If this is true they are gangsters and Rossi has my full support.
And also at University of Siena they have gangsters, if this is true.
I guess if this turns out to be true, Rossi was not wrong about snakes
and competitors lurking everywhere,
enough.
Peter
- Original Nachricht
Von: Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com
An: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Datum: 29.11.2011 13:22
Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion: ?We have Rossi?s formula?
Others have openly admitted in trying to get a spectrum. And joked about
it how Rossi got
So, if that is confirmed, we can put Piantelli also as a scammer, from the
point of view of the hardest skeptics.
2011/11/29 Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com
On 2011-11-29 12:14, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
Hello group,
For what it's worth, Daniele Passerini on a recent comment in his
Are you saying you support IP theft? This is not Vulcan where the needs
of the many outweigh the needs of the few:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa6c3OTr6yA
This is business and this is, if proven, theft. If I was Rossi, I would
be talking to the police and asking for charges to be filled
I have no problems with the test the 2 Swedish physicists, Levi. Focardi
and a hand full of other academics did.
AG
On 11/29/2011 11:12 PM, peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
If it is true, then it is a case of scientific fraud and industrial spionage.
If its untrue and they all collaborate
Only in this case. This invention, if true, is too precious to be kept
private.
2011/11/29 Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com
Are you saying you support IP theft? This is not Vulcan where the needs
of the many outweigh the needs of the few: http://www.youtube.com/watch?*
*v=Xa6c3OTr6yA
More like just another snake who needed the spectrum to work out Rossi's
key IP. If proven, all involved are just common thieves.
AG
On 11/29/2011 11:12 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote:
So, if that is confirmed, we can put Piantelli also as a scammer, from
the point of view of the hardest skeptics.
Technically, Rossi still has to prove the I part of the IP, besides, he
must show that it is not based on prior art from Piantelli.
2011/11/29 Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com
More like just another snake who needed the spectrum to work out Rossi's
key IP. If proven, all involved are
, they did not got enough evidency to exclude fraud by
measured facts.
This is Rossi's fault.
Peter
- Original Nachricht
Von: Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com
An: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Datum: 29.11.2011 13:55
Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion: ?We have Rossi?s formula?
I have
If proven it is planned IP theft. Clear and simple. Those involved
should go to jail and the University, if involved, should be forced to
pay a very large amount of money. The courts do not consider the Needs
of the Many justify theft of the IP of the one. And neither should you.
Theft is
We don't know how much of Piantelli's patents Rossi used anyway. Send both
to jail? :)
2011/11/29 Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com
If proven it is planned IP theft. Clear and simple. Those involved should
go to jail and the University, if involved, should be forced to pay a very
They acted like scientists do. We are not certain. We need to do more
tests, which you can pay us for. Oh and by the way we need to do those
tests in private so we can get the radiation spectrum and figure out
that you have inside. I'm like Rossi, an engineer and I don't give a
C**P what is
Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion: ?We have Rossi?s formula?
Others have openly admitted in trying to get a spectrum. And joked about
it how Rossi got angry at them for trying it on. Like it had no value.
Almost suggesting Rossi had no right to withhold it from science. If
true I do hope he sues
If Rossi used some Piantelli IP then Rossi will need to pay Piantelli a
royalty. However that does not excuse outright IP theft, especially when
the theft was arranged in advance.
AG
On 11/29/2011 11:41 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote:
We don't know how much of Piantelli's patents Rossi used anyway.
maybe is it still legal to build a similar reactor, with a pattented, or in
process of patent, technology,
but you have to obtain the allowance of the inventor/owner... and not steal
it.
normally rossi before applying for patent, should have put a document in a
third-party file, that proove that
That people conspired together to steal the IP / trade secrets says it
is not prior knowledge.
AG
On 11/29/2011 11:33 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote:
Technically, Rossi still has to prove the I part of the IP, besides,
he must show that it is not based on prior art from Piantelli.
2011/11/29
- Original Nachricht
Von: Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com
An: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Datum: 29.11.2011 14:11
Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion: ?We have Rossi?s formula?
We don't know how much of Piantelli's patents Rossi used anyway. Send both
to jail? :)
As long as he
Rossi has said his IP / trade secrets are in Escrow and if anything
should happen to him they will be released, I guess to him estate. So he
has dated and recorded his priority.
AG
On 11/29/2011 11:50 PM, Alain dit le Cycliste wrote:
maybe is it still legal to build a similar reactor, with a
I suspect there was bad blood there for some time and Rossi used Krivit.
Have you listened to the way Krivit asked questions? HE showed no
respect at all and basically / indirectly accused most who he
interviewed of lying. I know and have many good Italian friends. They
would not stand to be
.
Its so simple, why havent they done it?
- Original Nachricht
Von: Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com
An: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Datum: 29.11.2011 14:15
Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion: ?We have Rossi?s formula?
They acted like scientists do. We are not certain. We need to do
what is more sensible for me is that in the article they pretend that
the e-cat cannot be stable for more of 24hour because of the design that
create hot-sport in the middle(explanation is credible)...
the second most sensible point is that they pretend to have solved the
problem,
meaning that it
On one test occasion Rossi had provided 2 holes through the 2 cm thick
lead shielding. The scientists present at that test tried to switch the
radiation detector from count mode to spectrum mode, despite Rossi
telling them they were not allowed to record a spectrum. Rossi saw what
they were
It is still theft. No way to spin it any other way.
AG
On 11/30/2011 12:29 AM, Alain dit le Cycliste wrote:
it looks like what I say about patent race... hard to keep an IP from
creative competitors...
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
Only in this case. This invention, if true, is too precious to be kept
private.
Wasn't that the defense used by Julius and Ethel Rosenberg?
T
That's the problem with IP protection through security, leaks are not
necessarily theft in a legal sense (the only one that matters
commercially). Even if there may be individuals who have signed
non-disclosure agreements etc and then leaked info, it is only them
and the organisations they work
Here's an extremely interesting item from the linked Nyteknik article:
According to Xanthoulis, *Rossi could not run the reaction more than
24 hours*, and when Defkalion required a 48 hour test it supposedly
led to a conflict with Rossi.
Exactly how do we square this with Rossi's claim that
On 2011-11-29 16:46, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Exactly how do we square this with Rossi's claim that he ran a reactor
for *two years*, heating a factory?
Perhaps they meant that in self-sustaining mode?
Just guessing.
Cheers,
S.A.
Or perhaps in very low power. Like, for example, an input of 10W, output of
150W.
2011/11/29 Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com
On 2011-11-29 16:46, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Exactly how do we square this with Rossi's claim that he ran a reactor
for *two years*, heating a factory?
Akira Shirakawa wrote:
Exactly how do we square this with Rossi's claim that he ran a reactor
for *two years*, heating a factory?
Perhaps they meant that in self-sustaining mode?
I believe that's what it means. Obviously they know a reactor ran for 18
hours in one test. I think they are
On 11-11-29 10:55 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote:
Or perhaps in very low power. Like, for example, an input of 10W,
output of 150W.
That doesn't seem to me to make a lot of sense for a space heater
adequate to heat an entire factory. But I suppose you can assume that,
if you like, and justify
On 11-11-29 11:03 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Akira Shirakawa wrote:
Exactly how do we square this with Rossi's claim that he ran a reactor
for *two years*, heating a factory?
Perhaps they meant that in self-sustaining mode?
I believe that's what it means. Obviously they know a reactor ran
Did he ever say entire factory or just heat a factory? :) Or was only his
room? Seeing his old tests to McKubre, it should be something below 400W,
if that was the state of the art back then.
2011/11/29 Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com
**
On 11-11-29 10:55 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote:
Or
/snip/
Did he ever say entire factory or just heat a factory? :) Or was only his
room? Seeing his old tests to McKubre, it should be something below 400W, if
that was the state of the art back then.
/snip/
In his patent application, he states:
[0060] A practical embodiment of the inventive
All this discussion based on an August phone call to someone at Ny Teknik
back in August is just unwarranted drama, I predict Xanthoulis will deny
this version of the story and leave it to Rossi to make a case if there is
one. If DK did get a hint from Sienna then they have had plenty of time to
He didn't say how much that was heated! But it's weird that he mentions
that. It's like he is inviting the patent analyzers to test his device, LOL!
2011/11/29 Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com
/snip/
Did he ever say entire factory or just heat a factory? :) Or was only
his room?
I think the only device that did not somehow impress the people who
attended demonstrations, according to these, was the one shown to Krivit.
2011/11/29 Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com
2011/11/29 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com
He didn't say how much that was heated! But it's weird that he
Key statement by DGT in the Ny Teknik article is the following:
It's very simple but they didn't think about it. (...) We solved the
problem. Because the problem is that he cannot spread the reaction all over
the pipe, and all the heating is concentrated in the middle, Xanthoulis
told Ny Teknik.
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:25 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
** **
If it’s all a hoax, gotta ask yourself, why would Rossi go to all the
trouble of completely changing the reactor? If the thing is NOT producing
any excess power, and if the Ni powder is NOT melting,
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
If it’s all a hoax, gotta ask yourself, why would Rossi go to all the
trouble of completely changing the reactor? If the thing is NOT producing
any excess power, and if the Ni powder is NOT melting, WHY go
FWIW I would recommend if at all possible trying to find a place of
neutrality on the Rossi/Defkalion matter.
In my view, there is too much rampant anticipation going on - and
that's not a good thing. Inevitably, unbridled anticipation tends to
generate profound disappointment when the
2011/11/29 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com:
I think the only device that did not somehow impress the people who attended
demonstrations, according to these, was the one shown to Krivit.
Maybe it was Rossi who set up Krivit knowing that he supported
Piantelli and that Krivit would ultimately
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
A new discussion section just appeared on the Defkalion forum:
Discussion on Hyperion Specs
(Unlocked following Spec release on November 30th 2011)
Let the fun begin!
Ah. I get it. You refer to this:
households, light industry and even to utility
providers.
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 12:49:57 -0600
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion
From: svj.orionwo...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
FWIW I would recommend if at all possible trying to find a place of
neutrality on the Rossi/Defkalion matter
This should be an interesting announcement.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Nov 28, 2011 1:30 pm
Subject: [Vo]:Defkalion Announcement on Wednesday
From the Defkalion forum:
Dear all,
We will
On 2011-11-21 12:41, peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
Ok, its time to spread some new rumours, to avoid boredness:
I just found this on the Facebook Rossi Cold Fusion fan page:
Giuliano Bettini
On the Defkalion - Piantelli connection.
This is going to be interesting.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: David ledin mathematic.analy...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, Nov 23, 2011 10:20 am
Subject: [Vo]:Defkalion GT announcement
Defkalion GT
Defkalion Green Technologies respects Andrea Rossi,
From Ledin:
Defkalion GT
...
You all are kindly ask not to confuse our Hyperion technology with
others’ (eg.ecat). We are not willing to answer any questions
pertaining to third party initiatives in LENR. We have made our own
progress, both on technical and business matters. So we will not
I think that they speak the truth and actually it is not very difficult to
find additives with the same functionality as Rossi's so-called catalyst.
Chan's Method is an other proof and indication of what this additive can
be. Defkalion has good engineers and managers
and will be one of the most
Did anyone try to reproduce Chan's method? Did he post a video or
something? He could post a fast forward video just as a motivation for
other to reproduce the experiment.
2011/11/23 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com
I think that they speak the truth and actually it is not very difficult to
This needs time, building the setup, acquiring the sort of nanoNi.
The idea to use a metal hydride as hydrogen source is bright.
See the literature re MgH2.
Peter
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 6:54 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
Did anyone try to reproduce Chan's method? Did he post a
Well, but he already built the thing... He could post a video at least.
2011/11/23 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com
This needs time, building the setup, acquiring the sort of nanoNi.
The idea to use a metal hydride as hydrogen source is bright.
See the literature re MgH2.
Peter
On Wed,
You can see at the site that the method was communicated by somebody else.
It is possible he does not make videos.
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 7:06 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, but he already built the thing... He could post a video at least.
2011/11/23 Peter Gluck
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Akira Shirakawa
shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote:
So, no connection between Piantelli and Defkalion GT.
That's actually good news. We will have three NiH reactor
manufacturers in competition.
T
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
That's actually good news. We will have three NiH reactor
manufacturers in competition.
And not a one of them subjected to proper independent testing yet.
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
And not a one of them subjected to proper independent testing yet.
Good morning! I wondered when we would hear from you. Some real
e-caterwauling in the ole trap last night, eh?
T
At 07:44 AM 11/23/2011, David Roberson wrote: ...
Engineer wrote:
(Pssst, Ms. Yugo, we call them Hyperions in this
forum.)
Mr Engineer,
e-cats (or energy catalyzers) are e-cats and Hyperions are Hyperions. We
can assure you that they are not the same thing with just
different names. Please note
Is this some form of joke that I do not follow? Please let me know what the
punch line is.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:14 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT announcement
At 07:44 AM 11/23
On 2011-11-21 12:41, peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
Ok, its time to spread some new rumours, to avoid boredness:
http://www.tovima.gr/files/1/2011/11/18/Piantelli-engine%5B1%5D.jpg
Also add, from this article, the information that Rossi sought
collaboration with Piantelli in 2007, but in the
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Datum: 21.11.2011 12:59
Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion did not deny to use Piantelli technology!
On 2011-11-21 12:41, peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
Ok, its time to spread some new rumours, to avoid boredness:
http://www.tovima.gr/files/1/2011/11/18/Piantelli-engine%5B1%5D.jpg
Also add
Hmm, MY has already posted comments on thenextbigfuture concerning this
same piece of news... She hasn't shown up here yet. Odd.
On 2011-11-21 12:41, peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
Ok, its time to spread some new rumours, to avoid boredness:
http://www.tovima.gr/files/1/2011/11/18/Piantelli-engine%5B1%5D.jpg
http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4t=508
By the way, it appears that Christos Stremmenos
What did he mean by that? I don't know how should a view that message.
2011/11/21 Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com
On 2011-11-21 12:41, peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
Ok, its time to spread some new rumours, to avoid boredness:
On 2011-11-21 13:54, Daniel Rocha wrote:
What did he mean by that? I don't know how should a view that message.
In very few words, that he is not happy with what Defkalion GT is doing
and has been doing so far. Sorry, this is not really related with the OP
regarding a possible Piantelli
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