Here is a good scientific video on resonance
http://darkmattersalot.com/2014/02/24/resonance-beings-of-frequency/
On Wednesday, February 26, 2014, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
Do you know about the Earth's natural Schumann Resonance? There is a
theory that life evolved so as to
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 1:02 AM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
Might the mechanical telephone will make a comeback?
Yes, after the 2018 Iranian EMP attack.
X9 Solar Flare
On Wednesday, February 26, 2014, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 1:02 AM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.comjavascript:;
wrote:
Might the mechanical telephone will make a comeback?
Yes, after the 2018 Iranian EMP attack.
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 9:20 PM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:BrightSource
From: a.ashfield
The Andasol 1 plant cost around €300 million (US$380 million) to build … It
produces power at $0.35/kWh which is guaranteed for 25 years(!) With
successful plants like that who needs failures
disaster.
Bob
- Original Message -
*From:* Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Monday, February 24, 2014 9:20 PM
*Subject:* RE: [Vo]:BrightSource
*From:* a.ashfield
The Andasol 1 plant cost around EURO 300 million (US$380 million) to build
From: Bob Cook
The only way the USA could have achieved the same
reliable nuclear program as France did is essentially with Socialism, and a
national policy for nuclear. Having coal made that policy impossible here –
so we did not do that, and
The socialism (some explain that Gaulism is right-winged socialism, a kind
of paternalist state, while pink socialism is maternalism) have some
success, especially in place were state is quite efficient and people
experienced to regulation (french entrepreneur can survive in very complex
Jones wrote. If you live in a country with little coal, hydro, oil or
gas, 35 cents is about average.
But we don't. (not to mention LENR) So why build the Brightsource plant
here?
From: a.ashfield
Jones wrote. If you live in a country with little coal, hydro, oil or
gas, 35 cents is about average.
But we don't. (not to mention LENR) So why build the Brightsource plant
here?
Sorry to inform you that a few places in the USA do indeed pay this rate or
higher
a.ashfield a.ashfi...@verizon.net wrote:
Jones wrote. If you live in a country with little coal, hydro, oil or
gas, 35 cents is about average.
But we don't. (not to mention LENR) So why build the Brightsource plant
here?
You are missing the point. We have to build these things here and
From: Jed Rothwell
Is it worth the risk? Google apparently thought it was for a
while, then they changed their minds. Maybe they will change their minds
back again.
Apparently, they did change their minds back again. PRESS RELEASE:
Ivanpah Solar Electric
No, they had already commited their money a couple of years ago for
Ivanpah. They decided to not invest anymore in solar thermal.
I can slap in a 50 MW peaking solar PV field in a couple months for 1/2 the
price and a year and 1/2 faster than a solar thermal plant. Obsolete
technology. Period
Jed wrote.You are missing the point. We have to build these things here
and now if we want to reduce the cost and play a future role in this
technology. We cannot let China and other countries do all of RD now
and then later expect to be in this business. We cannot expect the first
units to
a.ashfield a.ashfi...@verizon.net wrote:
That is false logic. You might as well claim Tokamaks are the answer, and
we should do the research here, no matter what the cost, or be left
behind. The problem is of course that if the system is fundamentally
uneconomic no amount of research is
Flat mirrors, water boilers and steam turbine manufacturing have
already evolved, like the wheel
On Tuesday, February 25, 2014, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
a.ashfield
a.ashfi...@verizon.netjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','a.ashfi...@verizon.net');
wrote:
That is false logic.
From: ChemE Stewart
I can slap in a 50 MW peaking solar PV field in a couple months for 1/2 the
price and a year and 1/2 faster than a solar thermal plant. Obsolete
technology. Period
That is very short sighted. It ignores the inevitable progress and the vast
possibilities for synergy in
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
Flat mirrors, water boilers and steam turbine manufacturing have
already evolved, like the wheel
Combustion technology (fire) is by far the oldest and best developed
technology, but it has made tremendous strides in the last 50 years, and
there is no
That is not brightsource high pressure 1500 psig, Home Depot mirrors, water
boiler and steam turbine technology so no, I am not short sited.
You listed a hybrid PV technology to cool cells and re-use low grade heat.
Big difference.
On Tuesday, February 25, 2014, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
Even greenie weenies don't like it, in addition to avian roast
http://www.greenbiz.com/blog/2014/02/19/largest-solar-thermal-plant-completed-ivanpah
On Tuesday, February 25, 2014, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
That is not brightsource high pressure 1500 psig, Home Depot mirrors,
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
That is not brightsource high pressure 1500 psig, Home Depot mirrors . . .
Would you please stop saying Home Depot mirrors. This is technically
inaccurate and disrespectful. You know darn well these are high-tech,
carefully engineered mirrors, nothing
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
Even greenie weenies don't like it, in addition to avian roast
And stop using derogatory names like greenie weenie. That is
inappropriate to this forum.
- Jed
It might make a good bird feeder
On Tuesday, February 25, 2014, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
ChemE Stewart
cheme...@gmail.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cheme...@gmail.com');
wrote:
That is not brightsource high pressure 1500 psig, Home Depot mirrors . . .
Would you
My tax money helped pay for it, I can call it what I want. I have designed
a solar thermal plant. How any have you designed Jed?
On Tuesday, February 25, 2014, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
It might make a good bird feeder
On Tuesday, February 25, 2014, Jed Rothwell
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
My tax money helped pay for it, I can call it what I want. I have designed
a solar thermal plant.
Since you designed one, you damn well should see these are not Home Depot
consumer-grade mirrors, and you should have more respect for your
colleagues who
The technology of hundreds of thousands of flat mirrors pointed across
hundreds of acres at a water boiler hundreds of feet in the air cycling at
thousands of lbs pressure is obsolete. The MIT PhDs need to go work in a
power plant and not just do an energy balance. It is capital intensive,
Might the mechanical telephone will make a comeback?
Probably not since all communication seems to be going wireless these days.
But who knows...
Pulsion Telephone Company certificate and ad from 1889
http://scripophily.net/imputesecoma.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin_can_telephone
For a
Do you know about the Earth's natural Schumann Resonance? There is a theory
that life evolved so as to become adapted to it and our EM broadcasts are
interfering with this adaptation.
Harry
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 11:48 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
I didn't say cell phones were
Jones, very interesting story about Rancho Seco.
I live in the Sacramento area and I moved here from Sweden in 1988. I could
never understand that people voted to close a relatively new power plant,
thanks for giving me an explanation. Poor design I guess.
At that time in Sweden, The Green: had
From: Lennart Thornros
Jones, very interesting story about Rancho Seco.
I live in the Sacramento area and I moved here from Sweden in 1988. I could
never understand that people voted to close a relatively new power plant,
thanks for giving me an explanation. Poor design I guess.
Well not
Ivanpah was obsolete before it started up.
$2.2B Boondoggle
http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/obama-backed-israeli-solar-project-flounders-california
http://www.thewire.com/national/2014/02/nevadas-massive-solar-plant-death-ray-birds/358244/
Even Jed's robots can't save it, if
Even more interesting as I do understand organizations (much better than
nuclear physics).
We (the culture) is obsessed with bigger is better. Then we when they
proved that big organizations cannot work effectively then we must keep
them as they are to big vs. the whole to fail.
My pet peeve is
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Well not so poor as the Soviet design of Chernobyl, but Babcock Wilcox
was clearly at fault - and at TMI also. The government secretly bailed them
out of some liability or they would have gone under long ago.
It is not a bit secret. See the
Bah. political hucksterism at its worst. You should see through this
negativism for what it is, Stewart. There is no floundering. This facility
opens on time, and the next one will too. What is the real objection here?
Nonsense, as to economics. The bottom line is favorable for California.
They are home depot mirrors, high pressure boilers cycling daily, won't
last. Distributed PV much more cost effective. First widespread power
outage where you can't move the mirrors you melt the tower.
You are right, the whole funding was political, not scientific.
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 3:21
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
They are home depot mirrors . . .
Oh come now. You know better than that. Who are you trying to kid? This is
the 21st century. Information is at our fingertips. Here, let me Google
that for you:
Flat mirrors like you buy at home depot and a bunch of steel with a couple
stepper motors. That is their technology. Goofy. Hard to aim in the
wind, especially when you are 1/4 mile from the tower. Also when they are
covered in desert dust. Do the math and see how much water and time it
takes
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
First widespread power outage where you can't move the mirrors you melt
the tower.
Surely you realize that all power plants have emergency power supplies! The
destruction of the emergency supplies is what caused the Fukushima
disaster. It wasn't as if
Brightsource has done no plant in Spain, get your facts right.
No, Ivanpah is their first plant to produce 1 watt of electricity
Don't assume you know what you are talking about just because you are
talking
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
ChemE
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
Flat mirrors like you buy at home depot and a bunch of steel with a couple
stepper motors. That is their technology.
No, it isn't. Not even slightly. Read the paper. A glass honeycomb-style
matrix sandwiched between an optical quality mirror and a
You are the amateur, stick to cold fusion
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 3:54 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
Brightsource has done no plant in Spain, get your facts right.
No, Ivanpah is their first plant to produce 1 watt of electricity
Don't assume you know what you are talking
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
Brightsource has done no plant in Spain, get your facts right.
Obviously I meant that other people have built plants in Spain. Engineering
information will go from one company to the other, along with employees.
- Jed
Especially for Stewart,
Here is a rather hilarious perspective piece about the recently concocted
problems of bird-kills at alternative energy sites, especially wind
energy, mostly concocted by born-again bird lovers with the WSJ as their new
ally.
Obviously. Also, this is the first brightsource tower to produce one watt
of sustainable power. Show me the robots driving through that desert Jed,
washing those 350,000 + mirrors. Not some prototype from some other plant.
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 3:57 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
You are the amateur, stick to cold fusion
I can read, and I know that you cannot go to Home Depot and buy a 2 meter
by 3 meter heliostat made of glass honeycomb-style matrix sandwiched
between an optical quality mirror and a sheet of structural support
I think coal sucks too
Just a matter of time until the next nuclear meltdown
Distributed PV and Natural gas is our current best option.
Solar towers are a waste of taxpayer money. Obsolete mirrorss, boilers and
steam turbines
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 4:01 PM, ChemE Stewart
Technology is the same as a flat home depot mirror covered in dust and
blowing in the desert wind.
Might as well setup a roadkill restaurant nearby and serve up ravens and
condors that get cooked
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
ChemE Stewart
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
Obviously. Also, this is the first brightsource tower to produce one watt
of sustainable power.
Yes. But many others are in operation, as I noted. Apple, Compaq and Dell
were not the first companies to build computers. Do you suppose that meant
they were
Funny Jed, you can't tell the difference between an animation and real
life. Let me show you real life Ivanpah...
[image: Argus Contracting at Ivanpah Project]
http://www.irexcontracting.com/subsidiary/argus-contracting/project-gallery/missing-title-and-text/
Are you that easy to fool?
On
I wrote:
There are many other robotic heliostat cleaners in arid and desert areas
already in operation. They have been in operation for years.
Plus this one has been in operation since September 2013:
From their environmental filing:
Each heliostat would have two mirrors, each 7.2 feet high by 10.5 feet
wide, mounted on 6-inch diameter pylons, with a total height of 12 feet.
Cables connecting each heliostat that transmit information to the
controller, would be strung above ground. The mirrors
From California government site:
http://www.energy.ca.gov/sitingcases/ivanpah/
I rest my case. Like I said before, even your futuristic robot upgrades
won't save obsolete technology (those were not androids in the picture)
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 4:23 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com
I like this one. Is that a hydrogen powered robot tractor?
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 4:29 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
From California government site:
http://www.energy.ca.gov/sitingcases/ivanpah/
I rest my case. Like I said before, even your futuristic robot upgrades
Luz was trough technology and Solar thermal oil. Luz went BANKRUPT
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
I wrote:
There are many other robotic heliostat cleaners in arid and desert areas
already in operation. They have been in operation for years.
Way cool video.
The robots are solar powered as well. This is not all that futuristic IMO,
but a near-term solution to cleaning mirrors - and probably another reason
why Google hired Ray Kurzweil. Robots could be on-the-way for all we know,
given the reputation of Google.
I have to agree
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
Washing would be done using a truck-mounted pressure washer, and use *42.7
acre-feet per year*.
That's 14 million gallons per year. 38,000 per day. Nuclear plants use 400
to 700 gallons/MWh, as do coal plants. That's at least 9.6 million per day
for a
I am cool with robots, I see cool animations of future robots all the time,
like this one :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRzHaD5bg2s
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 4:38 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Way cool video.
The robots are solar powered as well. This is not all that
calculate the fuel used to clean 175,000 heliostats (350,000 mirrors) and
number of vehicles required to cycle the field every two weeks along with
labor/android rental cost
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 4:38 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
Luz was trough technology and Solar thermal oil. Luz went BANKRUPT
Yes, they did. Do you know why? Because they could not get contracts to
supply enough electricity. The power companies forced them to scale down
their plants again and again, to the point
From: ChemE Stewart
Luz was trough technology and Solar thermal oil. Luz went BANKRUPT
Your point is?
Many companies that go Bankrupt stay in operation.
Actually BrightSource bought Luz and I think that it never stopped
operations.
Plus this one has been in operation since September 2013:
That is misleading to everyone, that is the first tower at Ivanpah, the
same project we are talking about, it
Their only other project in the US pipeline just got mothballed because it
is OBSOLETE TECHNOLOGY and too expensive
On Mon,
My point has not changed, IT IS OBSOLETE TECHNOLOGY and may end up like the
towering inferno without OJ around to save it.
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 4:45 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
*From:* ChemE Stewart
Luz was trough technology and Solar thermal oil. Luz went BANKRUPT
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
calculate the fuel used . . .
Zero fuel. The vehicles are electrically powered.
to clean 175,000 heliostats (350,000 mirrors) and number of vehicles
required to cycle the field every two weeks along with labor/android rental
cost
Obviously the
Right,
Not cost effective. No they are a competitor to trough technology and
UNPROVEN. I can build a 300 MW Natural Gas Plant for $500M, not $2.2B. It
has been really cold this winter so I say fire up the gas turbines until
something better comes along
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Jed
YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, Google backed out of solar thermal a couple of
years ago
http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2011/11/google-solar-thermal/
Don't assume things Jed
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 4:47 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Actually BrightSource bought Luz and I think that it never stopped
operations.
That is correct. See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_Energy_Generating_Systems
354 MW nameplate, 75 MWe actual, 21% capacity factor. Not bad for something
that peaks
Why do you say that?
Looks like this one is a success and is being expanded
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andasol_Solar_Power_Station
From: ChemE Stewart
My point has not changed, IT IS OBSOLETE TECHNOLOGY
Actually BrightSource bought Luz and I think that it never
THAT IS FALSE GUYS
After Luz Industries' bankruptcy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bankruptcy in
1991 plants were sold to various investor groups as individual projects,
and expansion including three more plants was halted.[*citation needed
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed*]
Don't you know the difference between a parabolic trough with Dow thermal
oil and a 400' tower with a with an obsolete water boiler sitting on top
that you can't get to in order to do maintenance on
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Why do you
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 12:21 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Hundreds of birds die crashing into tall building every day, but we do not
stop building tall buildings because of lost bird habitat.
***Next they will have to outlaw seagulls...
Seagulls lure other birds to skyscraper
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
THAT IS FALSE GUYS
After Luz Industries' bankruptcy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bankruptcy in
1991 plants were sold to various investor groups as individual projects,
and expansion including three more plants was halted.
What is false? The plants are
You guys implied Luz kept operating, which was false
Brightsource was a political play to pump $2B across the pond under the
guise of new technology and then try to go public and unload obsolete
technology on Joe Q Public, which failed.
Hard to make that boiler, turbine and flat home depot
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
You guys implied Luz kept operating, which was false
No, we never said anything like that. Furthermore, if you review the
archives here, you will see that I and other have often discussed Luz,
their demise, and the reasons for it.
Hard to make that
Jed Rothwell
4:55 PM (33 minutes ago)
to vortex-l
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Actually BrightSource bought Luz and I think that it never stopped
operations.FIRST HALF OF STATEMENT FALSE BACKED BY YOUR CHEERLEADING,
Luz went bankrupt.
That is correct. See:
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
Right, we also used to have the Stanley Steamer and vacuum tube
technology and they were REPLACED with better technology
Better? Are you sure?
Vacuum tube computer memory replaced CRT-based memory. Vacuum tubes were
then replaced by magnetic core
From: ChemE Stewart
Don't you know the difference between a parabolic trough with Dow thermal
oil and a 400' tower with a with an obsolete water boiler sitting on top
that you can't get to in order to do maintenance on?
It's not either/or. The point is that neither is obsolete and both
I wrote:
Vacuum tube computer memory replaced CRT-based memory.
Yes, I do mean CRT-based. See:
https://www.ias.edu/about/publications/ias-letter/articles/2012-spring/george-dyson-ecp
This IAS computer designed by von Neumann had, Williams cathode-ray memory
tubes, storing 1,024 bits in each
semi infinite fast terabyte storage on the
chip.
Hoyt Stearns
Scottsdale, Arizona US
From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 3:55 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:BrightSource
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
...Vacuum
As a final note - no matter what observers here may think about BrightSource
and their solar strategy, it is undeniable that MIT listed them in the Top
50 companies of the World, and the top company which is solely in the Energy
Sector. MIT does not have a political axe to grind and instead
Is that the same MIT that helped squash cold fusion and owns Lincoln labs
has pushed doppler microwave technology that is destroying all biology?
On Monday, February 24, 2014, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
As a final note - no matter what observers here may think about
BrightSource
Brightsource $2.2 B solar plant technology. You bought it, enjoy it :)
[image: Inline image 1]
On Monday, February 24, 2014, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
Is that the same MIT that helped squash cold fusion and owns Lincoln labs
has pushed doppler microwave technology that is
From: ChemE Stewart
Is that the same MIT that helped squash cold fusion and owns Lincoln labs
has pushed doppler microwave technology that is destroying all biology?
Now, now . no one's perfect.
Do you use a cell phone?
Yes, but it is not mine :)
On Monday, February 24, 2014, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
*From:* ChemE Stewart
Is that the same MIT that helped squash cold fusion and owns Lincoln labs
has pushed doppler microwave technology that is destroying all biology?
Now, now ... no one's
From: ChemE Stewart
Is that the same MIT that helped squash cold fusion and owns Lincoln labs
has pushed doppler microwave technology that is destroying all biology?
+++Do you use a cell phone? +++ Yes, but it is not mine :)
Doppler radar is UHF (300-1000 MHz). Cell phones radiate directly
Jones wrote,Looks like this one is a success and is being expanded
The Andasol 1 plant cost around EUR300 million (US$380 million) to build
+ 13% for power storage.It produces power at $0.35/kWh which is
guaranteed for 25 years(!)With successful plants like that who needs
failures?
Jones.
I didn't say cell phones were any better or worse, I have not studied them.
My data is showing a strong correlation between areas of overlapping
doppler microwave radars and excessive hypoxia and chronic algae blooms in
waterways. Hypoxia and oxidative stress in brains is also a marker in
autism
I didn't say cell phones were any better or worse, I have not studied them.
My data is showing a strong correlation between areas of overlapping
doppler microwave radars and excessive hypoxia and chronic algae blooms in
waterways. Hypoxia and oxidative stress in brains is also a marker in
autism
Exactly, smoke and mirrors
On Monday, February 24, 2014, a.ashfield a.ashfi...@verizon.net wrote:
Jones wrote, Looks like this one is a success and is being expanded
The Andasol 1 plant cost around EURO 300 million (US$380 million) to build +
13% for power storage. It produces power at
From: a.ashfield
The Andasol 1 plant cost around €300 million (US$380 million) to build … It
produces power at $0.35/kWh which is guaranteed for 25 years(!) With
successful plants like that who needs failures?
If you live in a country with little coal, hydro, oil or gas, 35 cents is about
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