Mr. Murray sed:
...
It is indeed high time to welcome the likes of Park, Shanahan,
Cude, Little, Krivit, Heffner, and the bit player Murray into
the shared forums -- for if any voices are denigrated, then
all are enfeebled, with the chorus of collaboration
needlessly crippled...
On Oct 7, 2011, at 4:33 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
horace, you have two flaws in reasoning. T3 is inlet water
temperature. Not the temperature of output of primary circuit. You
are correct, it should be the value what you thought it to be, but
this is the main flaw in the test. This also
The Tout thermocouple being within an inch or two of the hot steam flow into
the heat exchanger does not sit well w/me...
From watching Lewan's video again, the external heat exchanger (XHX) was
operated in counter-current flow, where the steam from the primary circuit
flowed opposite to the
Hey, Horace, I don't see anyone calling YOU a pathological skeptic
-- thanks muchly for doing my homework for me...
Gratefully, Rich Murray
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 10:57 PM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:
On Oct 7, 2011, at 4:33 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
horace, you have two
On Oct 7, 2011, at 10:04 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote:
The Tout thermocouple being within an inch or two of the hot steam
flow into
the heat exchanger does not sit well w/me...
From watching Lewan's video again, the external heat exchanger
(XHX) was
operated in counter-current flow,
On Oct 7, 2011, at 10:10 PM, Rich Murray wrote:
Hey, Horace, I don't see anyone calling YOU a pathological skeptic
-- thanks muchly for doing my homework for me...
Gratefully, Rich Murray
Well, I am admittedly a member of the free energy lunatic fringe.
What would be the point? 8^)
I
On Oct 7, 2011, at 4:33 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
Second flaw in your reasoning is that it pointless to calculate COP
from the beginning of the temporarily limited test. That is because
initial heating took 18 MJ energy before anything was happening
inside the core. Therefore COP bears
An extended review of the Rossi 6 Oct 2011 test, with a better format
graph, is located at:
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/Rossi6Oct2011Review.pdf
Best regards,
Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:
An extended review of the Rossi 6 Oct 2011 test, with a better format graph,
is located at:
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/Rossi6Oct2011Review.pdf
This is an excellent report. I agree with the analysis, conclusions and most
of the details. I
: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Rossi 6 Oct Experiment Data - Preliminary Data
Analysis
Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.netmailto:hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:
An extended review of the Rossi 6 Oct 2011 test, with a better format graph, is
located at:
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner
The electric heating power is apparently used to suppress the
reaction, not to enhance it.
I have never heard of any material acting that way. If heat from
the electric heater is used to ignite the nickel, how would
continuing to heat it after it ignites suppress the reaction? And
how would
In any case, it is nonsensical that when power is cut that output
power quickly momentarily rises.
The electric heating power is apparently used to suppress the
reaction, not to enhance it. Others have observed that in some cases
when heater power is cut, anomalous heat rises rapidly. I
Horac sez:
On Oct 7, 2011, at 10:10 PM, Rich Murray wrote:
Hey, Horace, I don't see anyone calling YOU a pathological skeptic
-- thanks muchly for doing my homework for me...
Well, I am admittedly a member of the free energy lunatic fringe.
What would be the point? 8^)
I still am on
Can someone tell me where the exit water themocouple was located? It
meausured a delta T of zero C to approx 9 C during the test.
Is there a photo?
Could it have been under the influence of an electic heater nearby?
Why didn't Rossi make a big tank of hot water? 120 MJ would heat 150
gallons
Hi,
On 8-10-2011 16:43, Craig Haynie wrote:
I can't help but think back to the idea that it's not heat which
triggers the reaction, but rather an event which causes the molecules to
vibrate at a certain frequency. I think Znidarsic holds this view and,
if correct, can identify the frequency
On 2011-10-08 01:28, Horace Heffner wrote:
The following is in regard to the Rossi 7 Oct E-cat experiment as
reported by NyTeknic here:
A knowledgeable user on italian discussion board Energeticambiente.it
made a few impressive charts regarding the 7 Oct experiment. Everybody,
have a look at
Jeff Driscoll hcarb...@gmail.com wrote:
Can someone tell me where the exit water themocouple was located? It
meausured a delta T of zero C to approx 9 C during the test.
This is shown in the video. I believe it was on the outside of the pipe
leading out from the heat exchanger, and it was
Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote:
A knowledgeable user on italian discussion board Energeticambiente.it made
a few impressive charts regarding the 7 Oct experiment. Everybody, have a
look at the following link:
http://goo.gl/gm0D0
This links to the message: Analisi Dati
On 2011-10-08 17:46, Jed Rothwell wrote:
This links to the message: Analisi Dati esperimento FF. This has
images andamenti termici.jpg and others. But you have to be member to
see them! If the images are small, could you please copy them here?
Sorry, here is a link that should make them
vorl bek vorl@antichef.com wrote:
The electric heating power is apparently used to suppress the
reaction, not to enhance it.
I have never heard of any material acting that way. If heat from
the electric heater is used to ignite the nickel, how would
continuing to heat it after it
Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote:
Sorry, here is a link that should make them available to everybody:
http://imgur.com/a/iwZQ8
Nice! Good graphs!
The Internet is wonderful.
- Jed
Akira:
What does this word rendomento mean, in the Google translation?
This is the graph instead of the power output. One sees that the E-cat
provides more energy than it consumes but does not rendomento is
staggering.
- Jed
On 2011-10-08 18:16, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Akira:
What does this word rendomento mean, in the Google translation?
It means performance, energy yield/gain. The user actually meant to
write rendimento.
This is the graph instead of the power output. One sees that the E-cat
provides more energy
vorl bek vorl@antichef.com wrote:
The electric heating power is apparently used to suppress the
reaction, not to enhance it.
I have never heard of any material acting that way. If heat
from the electric heater is used to ignite the nickel, how
would continuing to heat it
Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote:
What does this word rendomento mean, in the Google translation?
It means performance, energy yield/gain. The user actually meant to write
rendimento.
Thanks.
I think the author is wrong about that. Energy yield or gain is meaningless
in
Jeff Driscoll wrote:
Could it have been under the influence of an electic heater nearby?
To which Jed wrote:
There is no electric heater nearby. It could be influenced by the outlet
from the condensed steam water, but I doubt it for the following reasons: It
was far from that spot; that
vorl bek vorl@antichef.com wrote:
First of all, ignition is only an analogy here. Nothing is or
can be ignited or burned in the chemical sense. There is no
oxygen. There is no fuel. No chemical changes occur in the cells.
Thanks, I needed that reminder. Now I see that pretty much
On Oct 8, 2011, at 7:14 AM, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
On 2011-10-08 01:28, Horace Heffner wrote:
The following is in regard to the Rossi 7 Oct E-cat experiment as
reported by NyTeknic here:
A knowledgeable user on italian discussion board
Energeticambiente.it made a few impressive charts
On 2011-10-08 20:41, Horace Heffner wrote:
I don't see any charts. What am I doing wrong? Is there a link there I
am missing?
You are not doing anything wrong. It looks you need to subscribe to that
discussion board to see the charts. I've put up a new link for everybody
to see them:
On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 10:43 AM, Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote:
.
I can't help but think back to the idea that it's not heat which
triggers the reaction, but rather an event which causes the molecules to
vibrate at a certain frequency. I think Znidarsic holds this view and,
if
On Oct 7, 2011, at 11:57 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
Horace, you were correct. I did error with the temperature (one
example how easy it is to jump into conclusions when you thought to
be certain, but actually reasoning was flawed). Temperature after
the heat exchanger was indeed
Hi Horace, 10-8-11
I don't understand the two attached captions
for your graph. Would you please put them in
plain text (ascii) for me?
Also, I would appreciate any explanation of the
graph you can give me.
Thanks, Jack Smith
inline: rossi106.jpginline: r2os106.jpg
Further, the fact the data is highly variable is an indication the
hot water arrives at the heat exchanger in slugs.
That's my take on it.
Best regards,
Horace Heffner
A BRILLIANT OBSERVATION
The eCat's running in the same weird mode as Lewan/Sept ... at 120C 1 Bar (?)
50% fluid
Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:
The test was advertised to be 24 hours. Then it was advertised to be at
least 12 hours.
I believe it was the other way around. They said 12 hours, possibly to be
extended to 24.
Hidden power sources are not needed to explain the results. A
SA's link to that italian site (thanks!) shows the eCat stable between 110-120C
and the exchanger highly variable.
http://i.imgur.com/CPyVV.jpg
- Original Message -
Further, the fact the data is highly variable is an indication the
hot water arrives at the heat exchanger in slugs.
I pressed send before I finished writing a message. Anyway, I meant to say:
It does not matter how wrong the positioning may be, or how inaccurate or
imprecise the thermometers are. Inescapably, it would cool to room
temperature and all . . . would return to where they were when the test
began.
On Oct 8, 2011, at 12:23 PM, Taylor J. Smith wrote:
Hi Horace, 10-8-11
I don't understand the two attached captions
for your graph. Would you please put them in
plain text (ascii) for me?
Also, I would appreciate any explanation of the
graph you can give me.
Thanks, Jack
Jed,
Good points all but I think there has been a long standing
chemical component involved here ever since the day of Langmuir. There
appears to be a need for the hydrogen to go from monatomic to diatomic
states -maybe not the simple oscillation proposed with the atomic hydrogen
Hello Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net ,
Good to receive your warm, wry, alert comments --
like the smiling hanged man in the classic Rider Tarot deck,
hair hanging down, hands crossed behind his back,
suspended from a tree by a rope to one foot,
the other foot crossed over that
Rich Murray wrote:
Anyway, Horace's painstaking and thorough critique, thoroughly vetted
and improved in candid discussions on Vortex-L, establishes that the
demo has not proved excess heat or heat after death.
This is surprising. I have spread Horace's (almost) brilliant critique to
all
On 10/08/2011 03:47 PM, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
On 2011-10-08 20:41, Horace Heffner wrote:
I don't see any charts. What am I doing wrong? Is there a link there I
am missing?
You are not doing anything wrong. It looks you need to subscribe to that
discussion board to see the charts.
Horace wrote:
Yet a higher than 100°C reading was present for the thermometer inside the
E-cat. That indicates a good possibility that this high reading is merely a
systematic false reading.
Horace,
The T2 thermometer (inside the E-Cat) started out at nearly the same temp as
the peristaltic pump
On Oct 8, 2011, at 5:15 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote:
Horace wrote:
Yet a higher than 100°C reading was present for the thermometer
inside the
E-cat. That indicates a good possibility that this high reading is
merely a
systematic false reading.
Horace,
The T2 thermometer (inside the
Hi Rich,
Just a brief comment.
You said:
...I am mainly waiting for Rossi himself to come to his
senses, do a proper run to show to himself there is no
excess heat anomaly, and then promptly share this with
complete candor...
To be honest I currently don't feel I'm proficient enough with
Hi Steven,
I am pleased and grateful to appreciate your sincere, frank, and wise
sharing --
I mean, like the hanged man, to wait happily, suspended helplessly
upside down in my daily dream, appreciating freedom not just patiently
but joyfully and securely, within unified awareness-being, for
I preliminarily agree with your Preliminary Data Analysis.
What I DON'T understand from Hustedt's graph
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150844451570375set=o.135474503149001type=1theater
(and your spreadsheet) is why there was NO heat transfer to the
secondary circuit until 13:22.
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 9:03 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
Maybe they didn't turn on the eCat's input pump until
then.
That was my conclusion also.
T
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
Maybe they didn't turn on the eCat's input pump until
then.
That was my conclusion also.
In other words, there was no steam or water going into the external heat
exchanger, so nothing reached the cooling water. The hot water going into
the eCat sat
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Since the curve does not fall monotonically, but it also rises, we know
there must be heat generated in the system.
Yep. It looks like 5 kW out when the heater is turned off when you
normalize Hustedt's plot.
I look
On Oct 7, 2011, at 5:03 PM, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
I preliminarily agree with your Preliminary Data Analysis.
What I DON'T understand from Hustedt's graph
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150844451570375set=o.
135474503149001type=1theater
(and your spreadsheet) is why there was NO
On Oct 7, 2011, at 5:03 PM, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
I preliminarily agree with your Preliminary Data Analysis.
What I DON'T understand from Hustedt's graph
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150844451570375set=o.
135474503149001type=1theater
(and your spreadsheet) is why there was NO
inline: RossiGraph.jpg
On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 1:24 AM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:
Further, the fact the data is highly variable is an indication the hot water
arrives at the heat exchanger in slugs.
Or that the reactor is highly unstable as claimed by Defkalion.
T
Lewan stated in his report:
The Thursday test took place on the same premises as the previous tests.
I've just been asking myself, Is there anything learned from this test that
could help analyze previous tests?.
This test gives us some idea of the consistency of the temperature and
flow-rate
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