- Original Nachricht
Von: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
An: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Datum: 16.10.2011 23:24
Betreff: Re: [Vo]:The style is the man himself.
Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
E-Cat can also use natural gas as a heat source. Would you buy it
- Original Nachricht
Von: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com
An: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Datum: 17.10.2011 04:18
Betreff: Re: [Vo]:OrboCat
As you can hear from the nervous laughter in the video Steorn staff
like to joke, but do you still think Steorn's Orbo is a joke?
Mostly speculative
http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2011/10/17/hello-cheap-energy-hello-brave-new-world/
Mostly harmless.
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 10:18 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
. . . but do you still think Steorn's Orbo is a joke?
With a name like that?
T
Mostly speculative
http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2011/10/17/hello-cheap-energy-hello-brave-new-world/
Mostly harmless.
http://www.singularity.com/charts/page50.html
On a related point, and after following a few links, the author, Mark
Gibss, points the reader to an interesting web
WOW, now that is really a mainstream magazine!
2011/10/17 OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com
Mostly speculative
http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2011/10/17/hello-cheap-energy-hello-brave-new-world/
Mostly harmless.
peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
1 kW is barely enough to make a cup of tee in the morning in reasonable
time.
I use 2 kW, thats faster.
2 kW equipment is not allowed on ordinary U.S. 120 VAC circuits. 15 amps is
the limit nowadays. That is 1.8 kW but actually all heaters and teapots are
1.5
peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
On October 6 the eCat ran for 4 hours without input.
It is questioned if there where any output
Questioned by who? Where? On what basis? Anything can be questioned
including the moon landings and whether an airplane actually did smash
into the towers on 9/11
I meant to say
The amount of power is IRRELEVANT.
It varied between somewhere between 2 and 8 kW. the instrumentation was not
good enough to determine whether the low-end was 2 kW or 3 kW. That is
annoying, but it has absolutely no bearing on whether there was energy
production or not. It is not
You can do it Jed.
Frank
fznidar...@aol.com wrote:
You can do it Jed.
The test will be held in Italy, not Florida, and Rossi told me
emphatically that I am NOT invited. He was upset by my recent
criticisms. I was upset by the fact that he didn't even bother to insert
an SD card into a meter, for crying out loud.
I wrote:
The test will be held in Italy, not Florida, and Rossi told me emphatically
that I am NOT invited. He was upset by my recent criticisms. I was upset by
the fact that he didn't even bother to insert an SD card into a meter, for
crying out loud.
To be fair de Rossi, I should add
On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
WOW, now that is really a mainstream magazine!
His Infoweek article is better.
T
The skeptical, conservative position is to believe in conventional physics and
to trust that laboratory grade instruments have worked correctly in thousands
of experiments (including this one) and therefore cold fusion must be real.
Am I to understand that even the most pragmatic skepticism
Mark Gibbs' article in Network World
http://www.networkworld.com/columnists/2011/101411-backspin.html?page=3
...ends with:
...
It remains to be seen whether this is really all some
kind of mistake, which seems unlikely, or a hoax, which
seems equally implausible because, if it is all bogus,
Am 17.10.2011 15:57, schrieb Jed Rothwell:
peter.heck...@arcor.de mailto:peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
1 kW is barely enough to make a cup of tee in the morning in
reasonable time.
I use 2 kW, thats faster.
2 kW equipment is not allowed on ordinary U.S. 120 VAC circuits. 15
amps
At 09:23 AM 10/17/2011, Robert Leguillon wrote:
The skeptical, conservative position is to believe in
conventional physics and to trust that laboratory grade instruments have
worked correctly in thousands of experiments (including this one) and
therefore cold fusion must be real.
Am I to
Am 17.10.2011 18:35, schrieb OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson:
Personally, I think it is ludicrous to assume Oct. 28 is the big day
for humanity. The pessimist within me currently speculates that a more
likely scenario will be that as Oct 28 arrives and the demo begins
Rossi's 1 MW prototype may
I don't know about the rest of you, but I've had enough of the E-Cat fiasco
until the end of the month.
I was going thru some old papers and found an s.p.f newsgroup article from
1991. yes, I'm kind of a pack-rat when it comes to sci-tech stuff.
The article was posted by Bill Goffe at the
Peter left out one minor detail...
The purpose of a scam is to make money at other people's expense... If the 1MW
demo fails, nobody gets paid, and Rossi has just FLUSHED his entire net worth
down the drain.
Peter, answer the question as to why Rossi would flush his money down the
drain. He
It should be obvious to all but the blind that this is not a hoax nor a scam.
T
Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote:
Am I to understand that even the most pragmatic skepticism it to be
dismissed?
So the *open-minded* position is that:
The 6 statements that follow are not open-minded or pragmatic skepticism.
They all mistakes. You do not understand what
Am 17.10.2011 19:20, schrieb Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint:
Peter left out one minor detail...
The purpose of a scam is to make money at other people's expense... If the 1MW
demo fails, nobody gets paid, and Rossi has just FLUSHED his entire net worth
down the drain.
I dont think about this. It
On 11-10-16 10:18 PM, Harry Veeder wrote:
As you can hear from the nervous laughter in the video Steorn staff
like to joke, but do you still think Steorn's Orbo is a joke?
Yup. (Joke, scam, fake -- pick your term, they all apply.)
This is another typical Steorn production -- nothing's
Peter Heckert wrote:
I bought a brandnew kettle boiler for my kitchen, because the old was
used up.
The label says 1850W-2200W. (I have 230VAC) Probably its a PTC heater.
You have 230 VAC because you are in Europe. In the US, ordinary circuits
are 120 VAC. Washing machines or electric water
2011/10/17 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com:
It should be obvious to all but the blind that this is not a hoax nor a scam.
Indeed. I think it is completely out of the question that this is a
hoax. It might be theoretically possible, to make illusion of excess
heat if Rossi has e.g. falsified
On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 1:53 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
This is another typical Steorn production -- nothing's measured (at least,
not enough to show anything).
Ketchup, Stephen. It's the Orbo of the solid state variety. No magnets.
It's not true that nothing is
Im not so sure.
He is trained to buy waste from his oil company ;-)
You can buy all this stuff on the surplus market or on the industrial
section of ebay just for the copper price, if you look around.
There is absolutely no evidency that he invested much money.
Maybe he got this stuff
Peter Heckert wrote:
The problem is, that they claim they have heated an office before.
This is not a problem. On the contrary it strengthens Rossi's claim.
Several people said they saw the heater in operation so I suppose this
is true.
Rossi also claimed before they had done mass flow
Am 17.10.2011 20:58, schrieb Jed Rothwell:
Peter Heckert wrote:
The problem is, that they claim they have heated an office before.
This is not a problem. On the contrary it strengthens Rossi's claim.
Several people said they saw the heater in operation so I suppose this
is true.
Rossi
On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Why does a 65-year-old fisherman set out in stormy weather, with a leaking
10 m boat, three sheets to the wind (drunk)?
A very appropriate phrase considering it's etymology:
Obviously, you have come to your conclusions. I have found this test
inconclusive. You may disagree, and now be 100% convinced, but it's your
personal attacks that are troubling. You continue to strike down questions
with comments like:
Skepics who claim that the temperature
I wrote:
I seriously recommend you try that before making more assertions about
this test. It is not expensive or difficult to put insulation around
an 8-gallon pot of boiling hot water. Turn off the gas, move the pot
to an blanket of insulation, and cover it up. Use ordinary household
He always said he /has/ to build a 1 MW plant.
Why /had/ he to do this, when he had no written contract?
The only explanation I can think about, is, he has to do this because he
already purchased the material (without having a contract to sell it).
Maybe he got the boxes in a fortunate deal on
Robert,
You state:
You [Mr. Rothwell] may disagree, and now be 100% convinced, but it's your
personal attacks that are troubling.
Where has Mr. Rothwell attacked you personally? As far as I can tell
Mr. Rothwell has attacked your opinions - some of the conclusions and
speculations you have
Robert Leguillon wrote:
Obviously, you have come to your conclusions. I have found this test
inconclusive. You may disagree, and now be 100% convinced, but it's
your personal attacks that are troubling.
Pointing out that your assertions violate elementary laws of physics is
NOT a personal
On 11-10-17 03:50 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:
Robert,
You state:
You [Mr. Rothwell] may disagree, and now be 100% convinced, but it's your
personal attacks that are troubling.
Where has Mr. Rothwell attacked you personally?
Well, if Robert is claiming that there was no
From Peter:
He always said he /has/ to build a 1 MW plant.
Why /had/ he to do this, when he had no written
contract? The only explanation I can think about, is, he has to
do this because he already purchased the material (without having
a contract to sell it). Maybe he got the boxes in a
Peter Heckert wrote:
No one denies that Rossi has a lot of experience!
From his way to answer or ignore reasonable and logical questions I
conclude that he has no experience how to discuss with educated people
that have another opinion than his own
He is not very good at this. He has
Am 17.10.2011 22:15, schrieb OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson:
I hope for the best. I sincerely wish Rossi success in his endeavor,
for we would all benefit.
I wish him the best, if he really has done honest and carefully
research, even if he failed.
Remember, scientific and technological
Remember, he was initially going to build it for Defkalion GT. Perhaps that
is what Defklalion, the first customer, ordered. He started building it and
then cancelled the contract and now he has a 1MW plant on his hands. So
maybe he just decided to keep going.
On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 2:44 PM,
Am 17.10.2011 23:12, schrieb Frank Acland:
Remember, he was initially going to build it for Defkalion GT. Perhaps
that is what Defklalion, the first customer, ordered. He started
building it and then cancelled the contract and now he has a 1MW plant
on his hands. So maybe he just decided to
Frank Acland ecatwo...@gmail.com wrote:
Remember, he was initially going to build it for Defkalion GT. Perhaps that
is what Defklalion, the first customer, ordered. He started building it and
then cancelled the contract and now he has a 1MW plant on his hands. So
maybe he just decided to keep
I wrote:
It seems odd to that he is found yet another customer who demands a
megawatt reactor.
Excuse me:
It seems odd that he has found yet another customer who demands a
megawatt reactor.
You see what you will soon be up against with Siri, who also works with
NaturallySpeaking based
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws6AAhTw7RA
pretty
2011/10/18 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com:
It seems odd to that he is found yet another customer who demands a megawatt
reactor.
I think that this is misinterpretation. The Customer who wanted the MW
demonstration was Rossi himself, or more accurately it was LTI that
was separated from
Perhaps Rossi wanted to one up Bloom Energy's 100kW power cell.
1,000,000 watts is a nice round number.
T
Astounding!
- Jed
Jouni Valkonen wrote:
I doubt that MW project was [ever] for the Defkalion, because there was
nothing but talks from the beginning.
Rossi and Defkalion both said there was a contract, not just talk. Why
do you think both of them are lying about their business relationship?
If they were only
Not so, now you see the states are locked by a discontinuity placed in the
superconductor. The superconductor will drop with the application of a radio
wave a dimensional frequency of 1 million meters per second. been there done
that. Now in the process of forming a company to produce
There are many kinds of contracts. Those that are just talking, those that
are preliminary and those that are legally binding. I meant with contracts
those that are legally binding contracts. It was certainly not the case,
because Rossi does not do contracts without seeing the cash first.
As one of the pragmatic skeptics, I quote today's Waterloo moment --
in gratitude to Robert Leguillon and Alan J. Fletcher:
fromRobert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com
to vortex-l@eskimo.com
dateMon, Oct 17, 2011 at 9:23 AM
[ Jed Rothwell : ]
The skeptical, conservative
From Mr. Lawrence,
You [Mr. Rothwell] may disagree, and now be 100% convinced, but it's
your personal attacks that are troubling.
SVJ sez:
Where has Mr. Rothwell attacked you personally?
Well, if Robert is claiming that there was no energy generated, then
the item from Jed which he
From: Rich Murray
As one of the pragmatic skeptics, I quote today's Waterloo moment --
in gratitude to Robert Leguillon and Alan J. Fletcher:
In regards to Rossi and the whole CF movement, just how many waterloo
moments have you had lately?
I seem to recall not long ago you were predicting
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
On 11-10-17 03:50 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:
Robert,
You state:
You [Mr. Rothwell] may disagree, and now be 100% convinced, but it's your
personal attacks that are troubling.
Where has Mr. Rothwell attacked you personally?
Mr. Rothwell never attacked me personally. He merely labeled all remaining
skeptics as ignorant/blind/foolish/etc. I think that there is still room to
question the results, and I'm certainly not the only one. I think that the ad
hominems can stifle open communication, and I thought that they
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
Why does a 65-year-old fisherman set out in stormy weather, with a leaking
10 m boat, three sheets to the wind (drunk)?
A very appropriate phrase considering it's etymology:
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/three-sheets-to-the-wind.html
Yup.
I'm just interested in what kind of unpowered system can use insulation to
increase its temperature after the power has been shut off.
It seems to me Jed has a point.
Sent from my iPhone.
On Oct 17, 2011, at 21:37, Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com
wrote:
Mr. Rothwell never
Wolf! Wolf! wolf? wolf... WOOF! WOOF! WOOF!Rich
Prediction is an hazardous pasttime, especially about the future... Woody Allen
On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 5:56 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
orionwo...@charter.net wrote:
From: Rich Murray
As one of the pragmatic skeptics, I quote
tiistai, 18. lokakuuta 2011 Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com
kirjoitti:
I think that there is still room to question the results, and I'm
certainly not the only one.
I think that the problem here is not that are there still room to question
the results. But problem is that skeptics
Greetings Vortex,
I haven t had a chance look for the superconductor material used in the
levitation video,
but it seems like this is not the usual flux pinning as experienced by
1-2-3 SC materials:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flux_pinning
Ron Kita, Chiralex
Few people realize that when one
I am attaching an Excel simulation which uses the power measured via the
secondary water path of the heat exchanger to estimate the primary vapor flow.
With this information it is possible to estimate the water mass in grams
remaining within the ECAT as it responds to water pump input flow
Am 18.10.2011 00:19, schrieb Esa Ruoho:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws6AAhTw7RA
pretty
Wow!
Am 18.10.2011 00:30, schrieb Terry Blanton:
Perhaps Rossi wanted to one up Bloom Energy's 100kW power cell.
1,000,000 watts is a nice round number.
There is something odd with this:
People have said, the Fat Cat got hot outside.
Even Rossi stated there is considerable heat loss by the
If the law of inertia is universally true, some sort of centripetal
force is required to keep the disc revolving in a circle as it moves
above the magnets. I can vaguely grasp how the phenomena of locking
preserves the tilt of the disc, but how does locking bring about the
necessary centripetal
I suspect Rossi decided long ago that he wanted to build something
big, and he pitched the idea of a 1MW plant to Defkalion
They agreed to buy it from Rossi as long as Rossi could prove the
plant was capable of operating safely several weeks before it was to
be delivered.
Harry
On Mon, Oct 17,
Hi Dave,
Anyone who goes thru the trouble of providing calcs to support their
position is most welcome!
This is a tough, but for the most part, fair and objective collection of
characters. not to mention that some of them have been around for near 2
decades on this forum. strong opinions,
From: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com
If the law of inertia is universally true, some sort of centripetal
force is required to keep the disc revolving in a circle as it moves
above the magnets. I can vaguely grasp how the phenomena of locking
preserves the tilt of the disc, but how does
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