Re: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update

2012-10-31 Thread ti ny
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Re: [Vo]:The Quantum Soul?

2012-10-31 Thread Giovanni Santostasi
Horrible and absurd nonsense. Giovanni On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 10:50 PM, Patrick Ellul ellulpatr...@gmail.comwrote: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/28/soul-after-death-hameroff-penrose_n_2034711.html How far fetched is this? According to Dr. Hameroff, in a near-death experience, when

Re: [Vo]:The Quantum Soul?

2012-10-31 Thread Terry Blanton
I think Roger Penrose and Stuart Hameroff have the best explanation of consciousness to date. It's called Orchestrated Objective Reduction, or Orch-OR. The two actually developed the idea separately, Sir Penrose being a physicist and Hameroff being a physician who specialized in anesthesia and

Re: [Vo]:The Quantum Soul?

2012-10-31 Thread ChemE Stewart
If Neurons can sense Neutrinos it makes sense to me we could synch up Stewart darkmattersalot.com On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: I think Roger Penrose and Stuart Hameroff have the best explanation of consciousness to date. It's called Orchestrated

Re: [Vo]:Scientific American censors discussion of cold fusion, including statements by its own editors

2012-10-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
Ouellette closed the discussion section of the article. (At least, she closed it to me.) I was going to tell her I summarized our discussion in the news item. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Scientific American censors discussion of cold fusion, including statements by its own editors

2012-10-31 Thread Daniel Rocha
She did close and George end up defending cold fusion! 2012/10/31 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Ouellette closed the discussion section of the article. (At least, she closed it to me.) I was going to tell her I summarized our discussion in the news item. - Jed -- Daniel Rocha -

RE: [Vo]:Scientific American censors discussion of cold fusion, including statements by its own editors

2012-10-31 Thread Jones Beene
The county I live in (Marin Co. CA) is not large in population - but does have 18 branch libraries with magazine sections. I suspect that all of them subscribe to Sci-Am. I am going to write to the head Librarian to request cancelation of all subscriptions to Sci-Am except for one or two to

Re: [Vo]:Scientific American censors discussion of cold fusion, including statements by its own editors

2012-10-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: I am going to write to the head Librarian to request cancelation of all subscriptions to Sci-Am except for one or two to archive. I will cc to the mag. editors. I think that is going too far! They are not the only ones attacking cold fusion, after

Re: [Vo]:Scientific American censors discussion of cold fusion, including statements by its own editors

2012-10-31 Thread James Bowery
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: She is arrogant. Pride goes before the fall. I would say this column is a gift to us, except that it is very well written. McKubre pointed that out. He suspects it is a concerted effort by several leading members of

Re: [Vo]: Nemesis Park

2012-10-31 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Terry sez: Lately Robert Park seems to be more interested in politix than fizzix: http://bobpark.org/ I have been unable to reach the website. Tried from two different locations and at different times. Both failed DId Park forget to pay the rent??? Regards Steven Vincent Johnson

Re: [Vo]:Mark Prelas Studies Neutron Production at MU

2012-10-31 Thread pagnucco
From the references Alain posted earlier in the thread, it looks like conformity trumps everything. It must be in our genes - dissidents are probably at a Darwinian disadvantage. Violating the pecking order is a career-ender, for sure. The case of Stanley Ovshinsky, inventor of amorphous

Re: [Vo]:A Halloween scare for real

2012-10-31 Thread LORENHEYER
Yeah whatever you might want to consider keeping your animals out of plain sight should BO visit your neighborhood, because it's a given that his appetite isn't limited to just Dog yummy!. Oh!, don't forget that BO's IQ is so HI that it's literally off the charts (actually, it never

Re: [Vo]:The Quantum Soul?

2012-10-31 Thread Giovanni Santostasi
I love Roger Penrose great thinker. Hameroff is too out there. I think Penrose has dissociated from Hameroff because he went too far. Orch-OR is not the best theory of consciousness. It has been debunked in many different ways. Giovanni On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 9:37 AM, ChemE Stewart

Re: [Vo]:The Quantum Soul?

2012-10-31 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com wrote: Orch-OR is not the best theory of consciousness. So, who wins that prize?

Re: [Vo]:The Quantum Soul?

2012-10-31 Thread Harry Veeder
I like Penrose. IMO he is the most philosophically sophosticated physicist in academia today. I wonder ...did Penrose ever say anthing about CF? Harry On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com wrote: I love Roger Penrose great thinker. Hameroff is too out

Re: [Vo]: Nemesis Park

2012-10-31 Thread Terry Blanton
Maybe your browser wants to see the www: http://www.bobpark.org/ On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 12:04 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: Terry sez: Lately Robert Park seems to be more interested in politix than fizzix: http://bobpark.org/ I have been unable to

Re: [Vo]:Mark Prelas Studies Neutron Production at MU

2012-10-31 Thread Alain Sepeda
interesting you quote semiconductors, because LENr and semiconductors look very similar in behavior, and in quantum nature. Mess in the lattice. unreliable components at the beginning. ignored results at the beginning, assumed experimental errors discarded My school was training us to make a MsC

RE: [Vo]:The Quantum Soul?

2012-10-31 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Harry Veeder [ I like Penrose. IMO he is the most philosophically sophosticated physicist in academia today. I wonder ...did Penrose ever say anthing about CF? I don't know if he specifically addresses LENR in the modern context, but even he was negative on CF

Re: [Vo]: Nemesis Park

2012-10-31 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Terry sez: Maybe your browser wants to see the www: http://www.bobpark.org/ Yup! That was the problem. I find Park's rants on political machinations much more appealing. I suspect he should know. Incidentally, I noticed that when Carl Sagan became acutely aware of his own approaching

Re: [Vo]: Nemesis Park

2012-10-31 Thread ChemE Stewart
I agree with that statement. On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 3:06 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: Terry sez: Maybe your browser wants to see the www: http://www.bobpark.org/ Yup! That was the problem. I find Park's rants on political machinations much more

Re: [Vo]:Mark Prelas Studies Neutron Production at MU

2012-10-31 Thread Alan Fletcher
Almost a day, and two entries on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_fusion are still standing. (Prelas, ICCF-18 hosting and Duncan welcome message). (Might be a Sandy side-effect, of course. Nope -- the main deleter is Irish)

[Vo]:Lattice Energy rebuts Ciuchi's analysis of W-L theory

2012-10-31 Thread pagnucco
Lewis Larsen (Lattice Energy LLC) has posted a response to the recent criticism of W-L theory by Ciuchi, et al, on Arxiv.org. See - Response to Sept 2012 Univ of Rome arXiv Preprint-Oct 30 2012

Re: [Vo]:Mark Prelas Studies Neutron Production at MU

2012-10-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: Almost a day, and two entries on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_fusion are still standing. (Prelas, ICCF-18 hosting and Duncan welcome message). Adding stuff to Wikipedia is building a house of cards, or a sandcastle when the tide is coming in. You know

Re: [Vo]:Scientific American censors discussion of cold fusion, including statements by its own editors

2012-10-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: McKubre pointed that out. He suspects it is a concerted effort by several leading members of the opposition. This is why I refer to her as a pawn and wonder what was the point of this sacrifice. This will not hurt her. Even if cold fusion triumphs,

Re: [Vo]:The Quantum Soul?

2012-10-31 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com wrote: Orch-OR is not the best theory of consciousness. So, who wins that prize? Well, while we await Giovanni's response, for those Vorts

Re: [Vo]: Nemesis Park

2012-10-31 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 3:06 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: Incidentally, I noticed that when Carl Sagan became acutely aware of his own approaching mortality, it seemed to me that his willingness to speculate on topics previously considered taboo became much

Re: [Vo]: Nemesis Park

2012-10-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah. You know what they say, There are no atheists in the foxhole. See: Military Association of Atheists Atheists in Foxholes, in Cockpits, and on Ships http://militaryatheists.org/atheists-in-foxholes/ - Jed

Re: [Vo]: Nemesis Park

2012-10-31 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Military Association of Atheists Atheists in Foxholes, in Cockpits, and on Ships http://militaryatheists.org/atheists-in-foxholes/ Thanks, Jed; but, it was not meant to be a literal, quantitative statement. It was

Re: [Vo]: Nemesis Park

2012-10-31 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
From Terry: Thanks, Jed; but, it was not meant to be a literal, quantitative statement. It was meant to express a general willingness to be open toward the end. I second that. I have an anecdotal story regarding someone I knew who once encountered Sagan in a casual setting. A group of

Re: [Vo]: Nemesis Park

2012-10-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, Jed; but, it was not meant to be a literal, quantitative statement. Hey, I am a literal-minded guy. What can I say? - Jed

Re: [Vo]: Nemesis Park

2012-10-31 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, Jed; but, it was not meant to be a literal, quantitative statement. Hey, I am a literal-minded guy. And we love you for being who you are!

Re: [Vo]: Nemesis Park

2012-10-31 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Jed sed: Hey, I am a literal-minded guy. Yeah, we kind'a know that about you Jed! No offense taken. As for Sagan, I think he got the last laugh - posthumously. I think he got even with his superiors when he wrote his speculative novel Contact. If one reads the novel it's pretty obvious that

Re: [Vo]:The Quantum Soul?

2012-10-31 Thread Jojo Jaro
Any psychological/psychiatric/philosophical attempt to understand the soul is doom to failure from the onset. Let says you're a hardware/ASIC/Electronics/IC engineer who designed the Pentuim chip. Without understanding of the software, can you discern the operation of a PC from your

Re: [Vo]:The Quantum Soul?

2012-10-31 Thread John Berry
Since there have been results of consciousness effecting quantum level events multiple times, why should it be so absurd. Based on research and experimentation I am doing it is clear to me that quantum waves aren't just probability waves but are real waves in an actual gas/fluid/superfluid

Re: [Vo]:The Quantum Soul?

2012-10-31 Thread Patrick Ellul
If I studied close enough the inside of a computer that has MS Windows installed on it, without ever switching it on, I can still see and understand the expected behaviour. The software program is persisted as ones and zeros on a memory device. On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Jojo Jaro