Re: [Vo]:Explaining the Rossi type LENR reaction

2013-02-27 Thread Peter Gluck
I think soon you will be able to make a synthesis of this ideas and to publish a condensed paper with clear inner taxonomy. In the introductory part perhaps you could speak about the differences between the interesting and the useful kinds of LENR. It would a lesson of reason and of complexity,

[Vo]:James Lovelock opposes wind farm

2013-02-27 Thread Harry Veeder
http://www.thegwpf.org/wind-farms-monuments-failed-civilisation-top-environmentalist-claims/ In a letter to Torridge District Council, his local planning authority, Professor Lovelock wrote: “I am an environmentalist and founder member of the Greens but I bow my head in shame at the thought that

[Vo]:Should We Send a Team to Rescue Curiosity?

2013-02-27 Thread ChemE Stewart
http://english.pravda.ru/news/science/25-02-2013/123895-mars_comet-0/ I am not sure how to post a new topic on Vortex, OK I am a dumba$$ Maybe this will work Stewart On Monday, February 25, 2013, David Roberson wrote: In the case of meteor crater in Az., they claim to have located a large

Re: [Vo]:Should We Send a Team to Rescue Curiosity?

2013-02-27 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 1:26 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: http://english.pravda.ru/news/science/25-02-2013/123895-mars_comet-0/ I am not sure how to post a new topic on Vortex, OK I am a dumba$$ Maybe this will work Yes. But all you do is send a new message to

Re: [Vo]:Should We Send a Team to Rescue Curiosity?

2013-02-27 Thread ChemE Stewart
Thanks, expensive camera: *Curiosity* had a total *cost* of 2.5 billion dollars. Maybe he can hunker down behind a big rock. I thought I had tried that before on a new topic. Stewart On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 1:26 PM,

Re: [Vo]:Should We Send a Team to Rescue Curiosity?

2013-02-27 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 2:17 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, expensive camera: Curiosity had a total cost of 2.5 billion dollars. And the return cost? :-)

Re: [Vo]:Should We Send a Team to Rescue Curiosity?

2013-02-27 Thread ChemE Stewart
He bought a round trip ticket On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 2:17 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, expensive camera: Curiosity had a total cost of 2.5 billion dollars. And the return cost? :-)

Re: [Vo]:Responses to four questions from Ron Maimon

2013-02-27 Thread mixent
In reply to Eric Walker's message of Tue, 26 Feb 2013 23:10:03 -0800: Hi, [snip] It seems like unless the entire local region of the metal, in which deuterons can move around freely, were filled to the brim with them, a band gap in which additional deuterons are temporarily forced into a high

Re: [Vo]:Should We Send a Team to Rescue Curiosity?

2013-02-27 Thread Jed Rothwell
If this does happen, it will be fortunate, and it will come at an ideal moment in history. The report says this object is 50 km in size and it would release 20 billion megatons. I say this will be fortunate because it will put the fear of God into the human race, and spur us to take the threat

Re: [Vo]:Explaining Cold fusion -IV

2013-02-27 Thread mixent
In reply to David Roberson's message of Tue, 26 Feb 2013 14:58:53 -0500 (EST): Hi, [snip] I was thinking about the penetration dept of alphas and I am pleased that you looked into that. Perhaps it is time to do further checking into whether or not they are associated with the hot spots.

Re: [Vo]:Should We Send a Team to Rescue Curiosity?

2013-02-27 Thread Vorl Bek
On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 14:59:40 -0500 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: The report says it would release 20 billion megatons. Surely that is a tad exaggerated.

Re: [Vo]:Should We Send a Team to Rescue Curiosity?

2013-02-27 Thread Jed Rothwell
Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com wrote: The report says it would release 20 billion megatons. Surely that is a tad exaggerated. I don't think so. A 10-km object striking at 20 km/s will produce roughly 600 million megatons. See: http://www.astronomynotes.com/solfluf/s5.htm This

Re: [Vo]:Should We Send a Team to Rescue Curiosity?

2013-02-27 Thread Vorl Bek
On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 15:33:34 -0500 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com wrote: The report says it would release 20 billion megatons. Surely that is a tad exaggerated. I don't think so. A 10-km object striking at 20 km/s will produce

Re: [Vo]:Should We Send a Team to Rescue Curiosity?

2013-02-27 Thread ChemE Stewart
Jed, I am in your camp on this. It is time we figure out all that is orbiting out there, some of it at extremely high speeds and energy levels I believe. Stewart On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com wrote: On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 14:59:40 -0500 Jed Rothwell

[Vo]:Krivit takes a hard line on Rossi

2013-02-27 Thread Jed Rothwell
This may have been reported here already. Anyway, see the comment here: http://skeptoid.com/blog/2013/02/26/lenr-a-bright-future-part-1/ QUOTE And as far as Rossi, that story is over. http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/RossiECat/Andrea-Rossi-Energy-Catalyzer-Investigation-Index.shtml You have to

Re: [Vo]:Should We Send a Team to Rescue Curiosity?

2013-02-27 Thread Vorl Bek
On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 15:45:52 -0500 ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Jed, I am in your camp on this. It is time we figure out all that is orbiting out there, some of it at extremely high speeds and energy levels I believe. There may be less to this than meets the eye. Looking around

Re: [Vo]:Should We Send a Team to Rescue Curiosity?

2013-02-27 Thread Jed Rothwell
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Jed, I am in your camp on this. It is time we figure out all that is orbiting out there, some of it at extremely high speeds and energy levels I believe. To give credit where it is due, NASA and other organizations have made great strides locating

[Vo]:Is a Comet on a Collision Course with Mars?

2013-02-27 Thread Mark Gibbs
http://www.universetoday.com/100298/is-a-comet-on-a-collision-course-with-mars/ There is an outside chance that a newly discovered comet might be on a collision course with Mars. Astronomers are still determining the trajectory of the comet, named C/2013 A1 (Siding Spring), but at the very least,

Re: [Vo]:Is a Comet on a Collision Course with Mars?

2013-02-27 Thread ChemE Stewart
Just getting whacked by the either the ion tail or the dust/debris tail could be a terrible event. One of the twenty or so Shoemaker-Levy 9 nuclei left a dark spot on Jupiter the size of the Pacific Ocean. On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote:

Re: [Vo]:Should We Send a Team to Rescue Curiosity?

2013-02-27 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: In one of his books, Arthur Clarke suggested deploying a bunch of sensors orbiting the sun, and then setting off a gigantic neutron bomb on the other side of the sun (away from Earth and other populated planets) to make something like an instantaneous x-ray of the solar system . . .

Re: [Vo]:Is a Comet on a Collision Course with Mars?

2013-02-27 Thread Jed Rothwell
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Just getting whacked by the either the ion tail or the dust/debris tail could be a terrible event. I do not think so. I have heard that the tail of a comet is practically a vacuum. The whole volume of earth has only grams of mass. So, a miss is just a

Re: [Vo]:Should We Send a Team to Rescue Curiosity?

2013-02-27 Thread Paul Breed
This is a comet, from wy out in the ort cloud If we are targeted by a comet like this we will have less than 24 mo warning. We can't find everything out that far that could hit us, we can find all of the asteroids, but not the all comets.. They come from too far away We don't need to

Re: [Vo]:Should We Send a Team to Rescue Curiosity?

2013-02-27 Thread ChemE Stewart
I am guessing the Aliens use universal WIFI anyway on the dark matter entropic internet. The Aliens already responded to Carl's message, SETI just scoffed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4CYcp5wObs On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: I wrote: In one

Re: [Vo]:Is a Comet on a Collision Course with Mars?

2013-02-27 Thread ChemE Stewart
It really depends upon what you read and who you believe. Personally, I do not want to pass through one at close range. A comet has two or more tails, a dust tail and ion tails. The ion tail is gas and ionized or charged particles. As a result of outgassing, comets leave a trail of solid

Re: [Vo]:Is a Comet on a Collision Course with Mars?

2013-02-27 Thread James Bowery
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: The UniverseToday article confirms that the energy release is estimated at 2*10E10 MT. (20 billion MT). An interesting factoid: This collision would be visible in the daylight sky:

RE: [Vo]:Is a Comet on a Collision Course with Mars?

2013-02-27 Thread Jones Beene
Hey... an icy comet, colliding with and ... whoa, you guessed it, reviving Mars by bringing in lots of water ... sounds like Sci-Fi and for good reason. This would be a much better ending than the original version ... Total Recall, that is - where Mars was brought back to life by some kind of lost

Re: [Vo]:Is a Comet on a Collision Course with Mars?

2013-02-27 Thread ChemE Stewart
Mars lost its magnetic field and atmosphere a long time ago, maybe it will get its mojo back On Wednesday, February 27, 2013, Jones Beene wrote: Hey... an icy comet, colliding with and ... whoa, you guessed it, reviving Mars by bringing in lots of water ... sounds like Sci-Fi and for good

[Vo]:Is a Comet on a Collision Course with Mars?

2013-02-27 Thread Mark Gibbs
(Sing to the tune As Time Goes By) And so, it's come to this A miss is just a miss When a comet's passing by The fundamental laws apply Across the sky ... [mg] On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comjavascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'jedrothw...@gmail.com'); wrote: So, a

Re: [Vo]:Is a Comet on a Collision Course with Mars?

2013-02-27 Thread ChemE Stewart
Which includes quantum mechanics A comet is unpredictable like a cat. Schrödinger's cat with a tail On Wednesday, February 27, 2013, Mark Gibbs wrote: (Sing to the tune As Time Goes By) And so, it's come to this A miss is just a miss When a comet's passing by The fundamental laws apply

[Vo]:THRIVE-DVD/FosterGamble/TORUSeyePLASMAbreachZPEreactors/Tesla

2013-02-27 Thread Jack Harbach-O'Sullivan
RE:Foster Gamble/Thrivemovement.com The THRIVE-DVD shows a provative outline of the Tesla-Toroid-TORUS ZPE technologies Good Graphics/Good Visuals/Good Stuff

Re: [Vo]:Should We Send a Team to Rescue Curiosity?

2013-02-27 Thread David Roberson
All of these collisions and near collisions happening so close together suggest that it is not a coincident. We had better get the message because the package is in the mail. Do I really believe this? Dave -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l

Re: [Vo]:Explaining Cold fusion -IV

2013-02-27 Thread David Roberson
That is a possibility as well. I still need to convince myself that hydrinos are possible before I can accept that reality. The Q pulses generated by one LENR group behave somewhat similar to what we would be generating with our large mechanical kicks. I am coming to the realization that

Re: [Vo]:Should We Send a Team to Rescue Curiosity?

2013-02-27 Thread James Bowery
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense. -- (the late) John McCarthy Or, in Wolfgang Pauli's more exasperated expression: That's not right. That's not even wrong! On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 5:32 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: All of these collisions and near

Re: [Vo]:Should We Send a Team to Rescue Curiosity?

2013-02-27 Thread David Roberson
Well, at least we will have a ring side seat if one finds it way here. Dave -Original Message- From: James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Feb 27, 2013 7:04 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Should We Send a Team to Rescue Curiosity? He who refuses to do

Re: [Vo]:Should We Send a Team to Rescue Curiosity?

2013-02-27 Thread ChemE Stewart
[image: I Like this quote] [image: I dislike this quote]“The true sign of intelligence is not knowledge but imagination.” [image: I Like this quote] [image: I dislike this quote]“Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the

Re: [Vo]:Explaining Cold fusion -IV

2013-02-27 Thread mixent
In reply to David Roberson's message of Wed, 27 Feb 2013 18:42:42 -0500 (EST): Hi, [snip] That is a possibility as well. I still need to convince myself that hydrinos are possible before I can accept that reality. They may not be, but if they were, it would explain a lot. :) The Q pulses

Re: [Vo]:Rethinking wind power

2013-02-27 Thread mixent
In reply to Jouni Valkonen's message of Tue, 26 Feb 2013 21:58:34 +0200: Hi, [snip] I would think that more worrisome thing about global scale wind production is how terawatt scale wind power production affects on global climate patterns. Some studies indicate that terawatt scale wind power

Re: [Vo]:Explaining Cold fusion -IV

2013-02-27 Thread David Roberson
Hi, [snip] That is a possibility as well. I still need to convince myself that hydrinos are possible before I can accept that reality. They may not be, but if they were, it would explain a lot. :) The Q pulses generated by one LENR group behave somewhat similar to what we would be

[Vo]:Crowd Funding LENR

2013-02-27 Thread Jones Beene
Crowd funding came up here back in 2011 when Rossi was having trouble attracting investment. Here is the Wiki entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowd_funding Most everyone here thought it would not work for LENR, and maybe it will not. However, it looks like Dennis Cravens is giving it a

Re: [Vo]:Rethinking wind power

2013-02-27 Thread David Roberson
That is what I have always thought Robin. Even though we use some of the wind energy to generate electricity, most of that ends up as heat in one way or the other. If we use it, the heat is directly released, if the wind blows freely, friction eventually absorbs the energy which becomes heat.

Re: [Vo]:Should We Send a Team to Rescue Curiosity?

2013-02-27 Thread mixent
In reply to ChemE Stewart's message of Wed, 27 Feb 2013 14:27:14 -0500: Hi, [snip] He bought a round trip ticket ... then he got cheated. ;) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:Should We Send a Team to Rescue Curiosity?

2013-02-27 Thread ChemE Stewart
Yup On Wednesday, February 27, 2013, wrote: In reply to ChemE Stewart's message of Wed, 27 Feb 2013 14:27:14 -0500: Hi, [snip] He bought a round trip ticket ... then he got cheated. ;) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

RE: [Vo]:Krivit takes a hard line on Rossi

2013-02-27 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From Jed: Regarding Krivit's reporting proclivities. ... You asked: Why [does Krivit] make enemies? Needlessly so, I might add. The only answer that makes sense to me: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scorpion_and_the_Frog rivet! ... Sorry. I couldn't resist. Regards, Steven Vincent

Re: [Vo]:Rethinking wind power

2013-02-27 Thread Jed Rothwell
mix...@bigpond.com wrote: ...one can only hope! However the truth is that most of the energy we use is returned to the environment as heat, so taking it out as wind power and putting it back as heat would probably have very little net effect. Two things about this are a little off: 1.

RE: [Vo]:Krivit takes a hard line on Rossi

2013-02-27 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
I see I can once again, post in Vortex-l Let me follow up with the following addendum: I've come to the conclusion that Krivit's unique brand of investigative skills would be more suitable if applied towards the investigation of the abomination known as the United State's health-care

Re: [Vo]:Rethinking wind power

2013-02-27 Thread Eric Walker
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 5:22 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: ...one can only hope! However the truth is that most of the energy we use is returned to the environment as heat, so taking it out as wind power and putting it back as heat would probably have very little net effect. Regards, Also,

Re: [Vo]:Crowd Funding LENR

2013-02-27 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 27 Feb 2013 17:35:21 -0800: Hi Dennis, [snip] Crowd funding came up here back in 2011 when Rossi was having trouble attracting investment. Here is the Wiki entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowd_funding I note that you need about 5 grand for

Re: [Vo]:Rethinking wind power

2013-02-27 Thread mixent
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Wed, 27 Feb 2013 21:11:11 -0500: Hi Jed, What you didn't say in so many words, and I forgot to mention, is that using wind energy has a positive impact in as much as it reduces the amount of CO2 produced. [snip] mix...@bigpond.com wrote: ...one can only

Re: [Vo]:Rethinking wind power

2013-02-27 Thread David Roberson
Yeah, but they look terrible. There is no better way to rape the mountain ridges than to cover them with these nasty looking devices. It amazes me that the environmentalists are not going bananas over what is happening. Once, they could be counted on to make an effort to keep wilderness as

Re: [Vo]:Crowd Funding LENR

2013-02-27 Thread David Roberson
Something interesting is going on in Virginia. They are talking of charging people that own fuel efficient vehicles a fixed fee that replaces the gas tax that is paid by other motorists. I would not be surprised to see the states charge people who generate their own power if it begins to harm

RE: [Vo]:Crowd Funding LENR

2013-02-27 Thread DJ Cravens
read the info. No way am I anywhere near the many kW of electrical need to run a car directly. It also would require a very large heat dump.I am just going for 2 to 10 Watts or so to trickel charge batteries for weeks for a 1 hour drive. I am not in the proof or business mode. Just in the

Re: [Vo]:Crowd Funding LENR

2013-02-27 Thread David Roberson
I would buy a solar cell system to achieve that goal. You need to work toward more power if you really want to make a difference. Dave -Original Message- From: DJ Cravens djcrav...@hotmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Feb 27, 2013 11:27 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:Crowd

Re: [Vo]:Responses to four questions from Ron Maimon

2013-02-27 Thread Eric Walker
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:50 AM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: However having lost almost all of their energy, how do they penetrate far enough into a Pd atom to undergo fusion reaction? Good question. In a different connection, an important point that he makes concerns the ROI -- he says that

Re: [Vo]:Should We Send a Team to Rescue Curiosity?

2013-02-27 Thread Craig
On 02/27/2013 01:26 PM, ChemE Stewart wrote: http://english.pravda.ru/news/science/25-02-2013/123895-mars_comet-0/ I am not sure how to post a new topic on Vortex, OK I am a dumba$$ Maybe this will work Stewart If you want to rescue Curiosity, then how do you propose to pay for it? Do you

Re: [Vo]:Should We Send a Team to Rescue Curiosity?

2013-02-27 Thread David Roberson
I think it was intended to be a joke. Dave -Original Message- From: Craig cchayniepub...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:30 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Should We Send a Team to Rescue Curiosity? On 02/27/2013 01:26 PM, ChemE Stewart wrote:

Re: [Vo]:Explaining Cold fusion -IV

2013-02-27 Thread Axil Axil
http://nanophotonics.csic.es/static/publications/pdfs/paper203.pdf Organized plasmonic clusters with high coordination number and extraordinary enhancement in surface-enhanced Raman scattering (SERS) snipIn summary, we have shown that by using PF68 coating and emulsion clustering it is possible

Re: [Vo]:Explaining Cold fusion -IV

2013-02-27 Thread Axil Axil
Should read In plain language, when nano-particles are packed together so that they touch in many places, the ability to downshift EMF from high frequency to a lower frequency is increased by 5000 times with the energy of the photon absorbed in the electric field between the nanoparticles. On

Re: [Vo]:Krivit takes a hard line on Rossi

2013-02-27 Thread Brad Lowe
I don't know anyone on this list who has met Rossi.. But Krivit is one of the few people who has met Rossi and watched him run one of his demonstrations. Rossi claimed to be producing kilowatts of steam, while his device was clearly not putting out more than an electric tea kettle. This would have

Re: [Vo]:Russian meteor coincidence odds

2013-02-27 Thread James Bowery
You quote me incorrectly. My actual words were less than one in a million. I stated so because mine was a naive calculation that came up with 1/133225 to which I then applied a discount by a factor of a thousand precisely to address such arguments as yours. To normalize your calculation

Re: [Vo]:Gizmag: NASA's basement reactor

2013-02-27 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Here's the original article. The nuclear reactor in your basement February 19, 2013 by Bob Silberg The nuclear reactor in your basement February 19, 2013 by Bob Silberg Enlarge How would you like to replace your water heater with a nuclear reactor? That's what Joseph Zawodny, a