Re: [Vo]:Wiki on E-CAT

2013-06-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jouni Valkonen wrote: And since there is no radiation, I do not see that it is plausible have > claimed levels of excess heat. So, you dismiss the entire body of cold fusion research? Is that what you are saying? Do you think that all of the other researchers are also frauds, or do you suppose

Re: [Vo]:Sonoluminescence

2013-06-03 Thread Joe Hughes
Sorry Axil it is unclear to me from your response which side you fall on regarding nanospire and Leclair's work. Interesting article from a little while back regarding it: http://pieeconomics.blogspot.com/p/cavitation-transmutation-take-this-viral.html Axil Axil wrote: >Like most things in

Re: [Vo]:A Couple Hundred Bucks Maybe...

2013-06-03 Thread James Bowery
Puts the shuttle disasters in perspective... ie: They weren't "disasters" -- they were more like "wrecks". On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 7:40 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > David Roberson wrote: > > >> It might take a little time for Rossi to gain total control over his >> device. How would you like to

Re: [Vo]:A Couple Hundred Bucks Maybe...

2013-06-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jouni Valkonen wrote: However convincing proof, if that is desired, is just that ecat is made to > do real work while it is completely unplugged. Yes. If they could do this without melting the machine it would be a good idea. Since they already melted one, no one should doubt that will happen a

Re: [Vo]:Wiki on E-CAT

2013-06-03 Thread a.ashfield
Jouni Valkonen wrote: "This is not true. The test was arranged in Rossi's facilities and by Giuseppe Levi. And problem is that we do not know what is financial relationship between Rossi and Levi, so Levi, who has been chief scientist in all ecat tests, cannot be considered as independent entit

Re: [Vo]:Sonoluminescence

2013-06-03 Thread Jim Dickenson
Ken, Interesting - I didn't know of these experiments and this was written in May 2012. There may be more to Znardisc's (sp??) theory afterall. http://pieeconomics.blogspot.com/p/cavitation-transmutation-take-this-viral.html - Jim On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 9:51 PM, Joe Hughes wrote: > Interesti

Re: [Vo]:A Couple Hundred Bucks Maybe...

2013-06-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
James Bowery wrote: Puts the shuttle disasters in perspective... ie: They weren't "disasters" > -- they were more like "wrecks". > They were flight tests. Those were prototypes. It turned out that was not a good design. See: "Beam Me Out Of This Death Trap, Scotty" http://www.washingtonmonth

Re: [Vo]:A Couple Hundred Bucks Maybe...

2013-06-03 Thread David Roberson
Jed, A replication of my proof that a DC cheater current can not steal undetected power from a sine wave line source was completed. I will make a further post explaining the particulars later. This issue should be put to rest. As you say, we know how to measure power accurately. Dave ---

Re: [Vo]:A Couple Hundred Bucks Maybe...

2013-06-03 Thread Jouni Valkonen
On Jun 4, 2013, at 4:36 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > if the people doing the test have any doubt about that, they can bring a > portable generator. Portable generator is also fine and even better, because it leaves very little room for tricks and doubt. But after 10 or so demonstrations we have h

Re: [Vo]:LENR a gateway into the theory of everything.

2013-06-03 Thread Kevin O'Malley
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: >The first tier of people to replicate were the crème de la crème of > electrochemistry. I mean people who now have laboratories named after them > such as Ernest Yeager, and people who should have laboratories named after > them such as Joh

Re: [Vo]:A Couple Hundred Bucks Maybe...

2013-06-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jouni Valkonen wrote: > Portable generator is also fine and even better, because it leaves very > little room for tricks and doubt. Very little room? Where would this room be? I mean in real life. > But after 10 or so demonstrations we have had only one portable generator > and that also wa

Re: [Vo]:LENR a gateway into the theory of everything.

2013-06-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Kevin O'Malley wrote: > > ***That reminds me. One thing I keep running into is how many articles > and replications have been published in peer-reviewed journals? And > skeptics do not consider the Journal of Nuclear Physics to be a "real" peer > reviewed journal. Does LENR-CANR.org have these

RE: [Vo]:A Couple Hundred Bucks Maybe...

2013-06-03 Thread Jones Beene
From: Jed Rothwell And yes, there is a significant qualitative difference between COP of 6 and COP of 2.5 in terms of market value. The HotCat could be on either end of that spectrum, based on what the last report indicated. I am

Re: [Vo]:Wiki on E-CAT

2013-06-03 Thread Eric Walker
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote: On Jun 3, 2013, at 11:31 PM, "a.ashfield" wrote: > > In fact an independent test has been carried out. > > This is not true. The test was arranged in Rossi's facilities and by > Giuseppe Levi. And problem is that we do not know what is financi

Re: [Vo]:A Couple Hundred Bucks Maybe...

2013-06-03 Thread Jouni Valkonen
On Jun 4, 2013, at 4:55 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Jouni Valkonen wrote: > >> But after 10 or so demonstrations we have had only one portable generator >> and that also was brought by Rossi. > > Nothing in the recent test was brought by Rossi. This test was a hands-off > "black box" test, exa

Re: [Vo]:A Couple Hundred Bucks Maybe...

2013-06-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: > There have been a handful of runaway reactions in 23 years. Very rare. > There > is no reliable evidence of infinite COP for more than a few hours, without > runaway. > There have been many high COP runs lasting hours, and some heat after death events lasting hours or days.

Re: [Vo]:Wiki on E-CAT

2013-06-03 Thread a.ashfield
I have opened a dispute notice on Wiki. As far as I know, anyone can join the fray (at the bottom.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Energy_Catalyzer_discussion

Re: [Vo]:Wiki on E-CAT

2013-06-03 Thread Eric Walker
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Berke Durak wrote: I love the mailing list format as its dependence on third-party > infrastructure is minimal and replaceable but it's a bit too easy for > opponents to flood and derail discussions. > One thing that recently occurred to me is that there is a ver

Re: [Vo]:Sonoluminescence

2013-06-03 Thread Joe Hughes
Yes very interesting I knew i had read something about that when reviewing the cavitation article and Sonoluminescence piece but could not place it. You connected the dots for me. It was Znidarsics work. Here is the latest paper i can find. published in December of 2012. He must be on the right

Re: [Vo]:A Couple Hundred Bucks Maybe...

2013-06-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jouni Valkonen wrote: > Leading scam hypothesis does assume that Giuseppe Levi is a scammer and he > is as bad as Rossi. And he brought most of the instruments. > I see. And these other co-authors are so stupid they do not even notice the equipment is not working? Even though they calibrated th

Re: [Vo]:Sonoluminescence

2013-06-03 Thread Axil Axil
Unlike most if not all of the LENR faithful, I believe that LeClair has a powerful LENR system. The LeClair system produces so much power that nobody can think of it as a LENR system. They think that LENR must be weak. I am coming to believe that LENR is a powerful energy concentration mechanism,

Re: [Vo]:Wiki on E-CAT

2013-06-03 Thread Jouni Valkonen
On Jun 4, 2013, at 5:16 AM, Eric Walker wrote: > In my opinion, people should not bring up fraud unless they have specific > and compelling evidence. I do not know what the law (e.g., US law) says > about the permissible boundaries for discussing possible fraud in a public > forum, but we sh

Re: [Vo]:A Couple Hundred Bucks Maybe...

2013-06-03 Thread Jouni Valkonen
On Jun 4, 2013, at 5:29 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > I think this "leading scam hypothesis" is far, far removed from reality. > How much money you are willing to bet? A couple hundred bucks maybe? ―Jouni

Re: [Vo]:Wiki on E-CAT

2013-06-03 Thread Randy Wuller
Your hunch amounts to overwhelming evidence? Rossi is public figure? You think you can accuse someone of fraud and not be subject to possible suit? As a practicing lawyer, your comments make me shudder! Ransom Sent from my iPhone On Jun 3, 2013, at 9:37 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote: > > On J

Re: [Vo]:LENR a gateway into the theory of everything.

2013-06-03 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Cool. Thanks. On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 6:57 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Kevin O'Malley wrote: > >> >> ***That reminds me. One thing I keep running into is how many articles >> and replications have been published in peer-reviewed journals? And >> skeptics do not consider the Journal of Nuclear

Re: [Vo]:A Couple Hundred Bucks Maybe...

2013-06-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jouni Valkonen wrote: > > How much money you are willing to bet? A couple hundred bucks maybe? > I never place bets. I once had to spend a few weeks in Las Vegas installing computers in casinos. I never spent a nickel in a slot machine. Las Vegas is the worst place I have ever been to. I'd rat

Re: [Vo]:A Couple Hundred Bucks Maybe...

2013-06-03 Thread Kevin O'Malley
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 7:51 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Jouni Valkonen wrote: > >> >> How much money you are willing to bet? A couple hundred bucks maybe? >> > > I never place bets. > ***I do. It was my pleasure to put my money where my mouth was on Cold Fusion and cash in. But, alas, Intrade ha

Re: [Vo]:A Couple Hundred Bucks Maybe...

2013-06-03 Thread Eric Walker
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 2:03 PM, DJ Cravens wrote: You may want to refigure that if you want to run for extended times- an > Olympic pool (likely overkill) has a volume of 2.5 million liters and some > are indoors and have covers. ( I would just use bubble wrap) You could > easily go long enough

Re: [Vo]:A Couple Hundred Bucks Maybe...

2013-06-03 Thread Eric Walker
I wrote: I don't know what kind of thermal load the E-Cat can sustain, but I agree > that dropping it into a backyard swimming pool for two weeks until the > water starts boiling would be a pretty good publicity stunt. I don't > actually have a sense how long it would take for the water to boil -

Re: [Vo]:LENR a gateway into the theory of everything.

2013-06-03 Thread Harry Veeder
Metrologically speaking, it doesn't matter if an entity creates excess heat by violating the laws of thermodynamics. What matters is that our instruments work according to the laws of thermodynamics. As long as they do, we can determine with confidence how much excess heat the entity creates. harr

Re: [Vo]:A Couple Hundred Bucks Maybe...

2013-06-03 Thread Harry Veeder
A visual demonstration would impress the masses. Use a real ecat and a dummy ecat with the same input power to inflate a balloon The real ecat will inflate the balloon faster. Harry On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 4:46 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > DJ Cravens wrote: > > Notice I did not say flow calorime

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