Re: [Vo]:LENR energy dispute, straight answer to Jed Rothwell

Exactly as privileges are always stronger than rights, certainties once irreversibly acquired are stronger than facts and logic. Both Jed and Giovanni- a relatively new kid on the block have certainties: zero excess heat and Rossi scammer. Difficult to discuss with such people. For me, Rossi has

Re: [Vo]:LENR energy dispute, straight answer to Jed Rothwell

I think you are running out of your quota of arrogance. 2016-08-15 11:17 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell : > Evidently you do not understand the conservation of energy or > thermodynamics. > >

Re: [Vo]:LENR energy dispute, straight answer to Jed Rothwell

Peter Gluck wrote: who has inspired you to this idea of reducing the volume of water drained. > Okay if it does not reduce the volume, what is the point of using multiple exchangers? Why not use a single heat exchanger enough capacity to cool 1 MW? Or a chiller. Here is

Re: [Vo]:angry and sad LENR comment but info too!

While the engines example of energy production is frequently used, the engines would have to be running full bore constantly. I like Peter Van Noorden's example of the energy for 1MW for 350 days - about 1/3 the energy of a Hiroshima size nuclear bomb. That is truly a lot of Joules to hide. If

Re: [Vo]:angry and sad LENR comment but info too!

Please check my thread "customer warehouse". I show different types of calculations to demonstrate how nonsensical Rossi's claims are. Somebody should check my calculations are correct but I will share later the MatLab code I used. One could do these calculations also as Fermi problems in their

Re: [Vo]:angry and sad LENR comment but info too!

Adrian, Actually, people asked AR if the process was endothermic and he said "Yes." When later asked if the heat that was not used was collected in water, he responded "Yes." People should consider that they are engaging in crowd sourced excuse making for him. He just has to sit back and wait

Re: [Vo]:LENR energy dispute, straight answer to Jed Rothwell

Peter Gluck wrote: please do not insult Jed! He simply does not understand how the heat > exchangers work. > Explain how a heat exchanger would reduce the total volume of water needed to remove the heat. With 1 heat exchange, to cool 1 MJ down to the legal limit of 80°C

Re: [Vo]:LENR energy dispute, straight answer to Jed Rothwell

who has inspired you to this idea of reducing the volume of water drained. No, with the know n data 10-20 cu.m of warm 40-50 cu.m water will be drained per hour I am traanslating a long Russian ppaer fror my Blog when ready will make calculations. Go to ECtaWorld you will see more considerations-

Re: [Vo]:LENR energy dispute, straight answer to Jed Rothwell

Peter Gluck wrote: > Both, Jed and goiovanni are trying to show tht they are not understanding > what I have told about the energy: the cut the Gordian solution of > consuming the energy is to pass the steam pipe through a system of heat > exchangers where it heats water.

Re: [Vo]:LENR energy dispute, straight answer to Jed Rothwell

Daniel Rocha wrote: > I think you are running out of your quota of arrogance. > Okay, so you should please explain how a heat exchanger, or a series of exchanges, would cause the heat to vanish or reduce the amount of water needed to flush it down the drain. If I am

Re: [Vo]:LENR energy dispute, straight answer to Jed Rothwell

Daniel, please do not insult Jed! He simply does not understand how the heat exchangers work. peter On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 5:27 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: > I think you are running out of your quota of arrogance. > > 2016-08-15 11:17 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell

Re: [Vo]:LENR energy dispute, straight answer to Jed Rothwell

Peter, Porca miseria !!! Use some basic physics please. Can you show the detailed calculations? When I do them (please see my thread "customer warehouse") I cannot get out of the fact you need to process 30 tons of material every week to account for the energy involved in this "experiment". No

Re: [Vo]:LENR energy dispute, straight answer to Jed Rothwell

Thsnk you for your help, you got the idea, it si a problem of design, one great or more smaller heat excghangers working counter- or equicurrent. Just see that it s very simple in principle and the drain carries so much warm water with ease in an industrial area. THERE IS NO UNMANAGEABLE HEAT

Re: [Vo]:LENR energy dispute, straight answer to Jed Rothwell

Peter, Nonsense. Jed just told you. You need to have this setup in an industrial zone with a river near by or swimming pools of steaming water outside. Again, do not close your eyes. Go and look at the building online. It is a small warehouse in a commercial area, with retailers around. Porca

Re: [Vo]:angry and sad LENR comment but info too!

And? On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Peter Gluck wrote: > Giovanni, just to check my memory- aren't you a known transhumanism > author too, or it is only a coincidence of names? > peter > > On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 6:06 PM, Giovanni Santostasi < > gsantost...@gmail.com>

Re: [Vo]:LENR energy dispute, straight answer to Jed Rothwell

So actually the solution for the differential equation of a heat exchanger is the following: dQ/dt=h*D*L*(T1-T2)/log( (T1-T0)/(T2-T0)) where Q is the heat exchanged, h is the heat transfer coefficient (if you have a pipe made of steel and water is the cooling material h=400 W/m^2 K), D is the

Re: [Vo]:LENR energy dispute, straight answer to Jed Rothwell

One more calculation. Using equation given in previous message, if you are using pipes with one cm diameter and a differential between in and out temperatures of 60 degrees, you need 12 km worth of pipes to get rid of 1 MW. Please check my calculations but again if this is true it gives a good

Re: [Vo]:angry and sad LENR comment but info too!

Giovanni, just to check my memory- aren't you a known transhumanism author too, or it is only a coincidence of names? peter On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 6:06 PM, Giovanni Santostasi wrote: > Please check my thread "customer warehouse". I show different types of > calculations

Re: [Vo]:LENR energy dispute, straight answer to Jed Rothwell

Jed calculations is an order of estimate but actually on the conservative side: 1 MJ/s = 239,000 calories/s. 80°C - 20°C = 60°C. 239,000 calories / 60°C = 3,983 g/s = 239 L/min (61 gallons), which far exceeds the capacity of the entire building. It would take time to heat up the water to 80

Re: [Vo]:angry and sad LENR comment but info too!

Why is relevant? On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Peter Gluck wrote: > so I have a good memory or not? > can you answer? > peter > > On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 6:35 PM, Giovanni Santostasi < > gsantost...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> And? >> >> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 11:23 AM,

Re: [Vo]:LENR energy dispute, straight answer to Jed Rothwell

Peter Gluck wrote: Thsnk you for your help, you got the idea, it si a problem of design, one > great or more smaller heat excghangers working counter- or equicurrent. > Okay so instead of using these three gigantic exchangers you would need, let us say, fifty small ones.

Re: [Vo]:LENR energy dispute, straight answer to Jed Rothwell

Peter: *very simple in principle and the drain carries so much warm water with ease in an industrial area.* It is NOT an industrial area. And that is an essential part of what Jed and I are communicating over and over. On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Giovanni Santostasi

Re: [Vo]:angry and sad LENR comment but info too!

Do not need any memory, google has a lot of it. On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 12:10 PM, Giovanni Santostasi wrote: > Why is relevant? > > > On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Peter Gluck > wrote: > >> so I have a good memory or not? >> can you answer? >>

Re: [Vo]:angry and sad LENR comment but info too!

so I have a good memory or not? can you answer? peter On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 6:35 PM, Giovanni Santostasi wrote: > And? > > On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Peter Gluck > wrote: > >> Giovanni, just to check my memory- aren't you a known

[Vo]:Vladimir Vysotskii- about biotransmutations and LENR

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/08/aug-15-2016-lenr-vladimir-vysotskii.html a very interesting paper by Vysotskii at ICF-20! Dispute as usual best, Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:LENR energy dispute, straight answer to Jed Rothwell

I wrote: > A normal commercial building in Florida has a 2" water supply pipe, which > is not large enough for the flow of water you need to keep the temperature > below the legal maximum of 80°C, with 1 MW of heat. > > 1 MJ/s = 239,000 calories/s. 80°C - 20°C = 60°C. 239,000 calories / 60°C = >

Re: [Vo]:LENR energy dispute, straight answer to Jed Rothwell

Axil Axil wrote: By the way, IMHO, no industrial heat boiler is restricted to producing a > constant amount of heat. These units are "heat on demand" systems. > Yes, of course. Those are actual, real-world boilers. Rossi's device is fake. The data shows it produces the same

[Vo]:Rossi's radiator

Let me copy this from inside another thread. Here is what Rossi actually has: an automotive radiator. See the photos here: https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/3626- Industrial-Heat-Amends-Answer-to-Rossi%E2%80%99s-Complaint- on-Aug-11th/?postID=32735#post32735 I suppose that is

Re: [Vo]:LENR energy dispute, straight answer to Jed Rothwell

Rather, not easier, but 1MW is not too much 2016-08-15 16:54 GMT-03:00 Daniel Rocha : > I think the problem is keeping T0 constant or low. Suppose T0=20C, T1=100, > T2=70 > > 10^6=4^10^2*D*L*(100-60)/(log((100-20)/(70-20))~1.0*10^8 > > D*L~40 > > The higher the energy to

Re: [Vo]:LENR energy dispute, straight answer to Jed Rothwell

It fits well inside the room. It looks like Rossi used something of these in his filmed 1MW experiment. The exist vent was quite of the same size of that one in google maps. 2016-08-15 16:17 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell : > > Needless to say, there is no such machine outside the

Re: [Vo]:LENR energy dispute, straight answer to Jed Rothwell

That is a fixed idea of yours, I can't argue with that. 2016-08-15 18:04 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell : > He never produced more than 20 kW in Florida and he never cooled anything > larger than that. > >

Re: [Vo]:LENR energy dispute, straight answer to Jed Rothwell

*Why are you insisting with a "magic" endothermic reactor?* Why Rossi says works just when sometime and other when he makes no sense at at all it doesn't matter? That is what he says, that the heat was mostly used for an endothermic reaction. I have explained that if you do the math you get tons

Re: [Vo]:LENR energy dispute, straight answer to Jed Rothwell

Daniel Rocha wrote: That is a fixed idea of yours, I can't argue with that. > You can easily argue with this. Just show: 1. How is it possible to cool the warehouse with equipment shown in the photographs. 2. What endothermic industrial process can remove nearly all

Re: [Vo]:LENR energy dispute, straight answer to Jed Rothwell

I think the problem is keeping T0 constant or low. Suppose T0=20C, T1=100, T2=70 10^6=4^10^2*D*L*(100-60)/(log((100-20)/(70-20))~1.0*10^8 D*L~40 The higher the energy to be exchanged, the easier is to build the system. 2016-08-15 13:41 GMT-03:00 Giovanni Santostasi :

Re: [Vo]:LENR energy dispute, straight answer to Jed Rothwell

Who cooled? You believe anything Rossi says? On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: > Why are you insisting with a "magic" endothermic reactor? Endothermic can > just mean anything that cools the input. He cooled 500kw-1000MW before. Not > a big deal. > >

Re: [Vo]:LENR energy dispute, straight answer to Jed Rothwell

Who cares who cooled 1MW? It can be cooled. 2016-08-15 18:05 GMT-03:00 Giovanni Santostasi : > Who cooled? >

Re: [Vo]:LENR energy dispute, straight answer to Jed Rothwell

Daniel Rocha wrote: Who cares who cooled 1MW? It can be cooled. > Sure. If you have very large vents, or a chiller the size of a truck, 1 MW can be cooled. No one disputes that. The problem is: there is no such equipment at this site. No one saw it. It does not show up

Re: [Vo]:LENR energy dispute, straight answer to Jed Rothwell

The reaction that Rossi's customer has come up with is just as mysterious as the one that Rossi is using. How did Rossi become familiar with this customer who is really holding their technology very closely? A SPECULATIVE answer to this might be that Rossi is a customer of this secretive

Re: [Vo]:LENR energy dispute, straight answer to Jed Rothwell

1.It's on google earth, the exit. 2.The same. 3. Check 1 2016-08-15 18:22 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell : > You need to address the technical issues. You have not done this. > > >

Re: [Vo]:LENR energy dispute, straight answer to Jed Rothwell

Finally Axil-Axil arrived and he brings with him the usual fantastic speculations. Axil-Axil, IH bought all the eCat related IP from Rossi. If the creation of the catalyst is essential to the eCat working properly Rossi had to reveal the production of the catalyst by contract. Keeping it secret

Re: [Vo]:LENR energy dispute, straight answer to Jed Rothwell

Not a good idea for both of us, given that neither of us can do that. 2016-08-15 19:09 GMT-03:00 Giovanni Santostasi : > Good idea. >

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's radiator

What is in that website makes it easy to come up with 1MW. 2016-08-15 19:28 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell : > That's all they needed for 20 kW(correct: 1MW). > > > >

Re: [Vo]:LENR energy dispute, straight answer to Jed Rothwell

The water warmed from 13C to 75C at 1 MW/second is 3.66 gallons per second. There must have been an "heat on demand" relationship between the customer and the reactor such that the demand for heat varied with the "maximum heat production rate" being limited to 3.66 gallons per second. Rossi's

Re: [Vo]:LENR energy dispute, straight answer to Jed Rothwell

Daniel Rocha wrote: It fits well inside the room. > What fits well inside a room? A vent? You have to put on the roof or does no good. It is the size of a person, as I noted. A water or air-cooled chiller of 1 MW capacity is the size of 2 or 3 automobiles. You could put

Re: [Vo]:LENR energy dispute, straight answer to Jed Rothwell

Why are you insisting with a "magic" endothermic reactor? Endothermic can just mean anything that cools the input. He cooled 500kw-1000MW before. Not a big deal. 2016-08-15 17:40 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell : > > > More to the point, why would Rossi hide this equipment? It

Re: [Vo]:LENR energy dispute, straight answer to Jed Rothwell

Daniel Rocha wrote: Why are you insisting with a "magic" endothermic reactor? > That is an inside joke. Some people here and elsewhere insist there can be an industrial endothermic process that magically swallows up all of the heat. That is impossible. > Endothermic

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's radiator

Large trucks are not automotives. And it is not written that there are more than 1. 2016-08-15 18:14 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell : > Let me copy this from inside another thread. > > Here is what Rossi actually has: an automotive radiator. See the photos > here: > >

Re: [Vo]:LENR energy dispute, straight answer to Jed Rothwell

See if you can get the water bills of JM products. On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 5:56 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Axil Axil wrote: > > How did Rossi become familiar with this customer who is really holding >> their technology very closely? >> > > It is

Re: [Vo]:LENR energy dispute, straight answer to Jed Rothwell

Occam razor demands nothing here. 2016-08-15 19:00 GMT-03:00 Giovanni Santostasi : > > Occam'razor basically demands that Rossi=customer= no heat produced. > > >

Re: [Vo]:LENR energy dispute, straight answer to Jed Rothwell

http://joam.inoe.ro/arhiva/pdf6_3/Lucaci.pdf A NEW FAMILY OF NICKEL POWDER FOR ELECTRICAL ENGINEERING APPLICATIONS Quote: "The specific surface area values using BET method show that the chemically processed Ni powders have a very high specific surface area (> 60 m 2 /g), which recommend them

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's radiator

Daniel Rocha wrote: What is in that website makes it easy to come up with 1MW. > What website? What do you mean "come up with"? - Jed

Re: [Vo]:LENR energy dispute, straight answer to Jed Rothwell

Axil Axil wrote: How did Rossi become familiar with this customer who is really holding > their technology very closely? > It is obvious how he became familiar with the customer. The customer is Rossi's own lawyer! They made up the stuff about closely held technology. There

Re: [Vo]:LENR energy dispute, straight answer to Jed Rothwell

See if you can get the water bills of JM products. Good idea. Also the list of the personnel, shipments received and sent and so on. Easily subpoena documents. Rossi should get them to defend himself and IH to make a strong case against Rossi. I just hope IH doesn't settle just to get rid of

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's radiator

Daniel Rocha wrote: Large trucks are not automotives. > I think you mean "automobiles." The word "automotive" means: "of, relating to, or concerned with motor vehicles." That includes trucks in U.S. jargon. > And it is not written that there are more than 1. > I do

Re: [Vo]:LENR energy dispute, straight answer to Jed Rothwell

Andrea Rossi April 8, 2016 at 9:54 AM Teemu: I knew the Customer in the office of my Attorney Henry Johnson. They were enthusiast to test our 1 MW plant, to see if it really worked, because they were ( and are ) interested to buy more plants for their facilities in Europe. They wanted not to be

Re: [Vo]:LENR energy dispute, straight answer to Jed Rothwell

Axil Axil wrote: > There must have been an "heat on demand" relationship between the customer > and the reactor such that the demand for heat varied with the "maximum heat > production rate" being limited to 3.66 gallons per second. Rossi's reactor > control mechanism must

Re: [Vo]:LENR energy dispute, straight answer to Jed Rothwell

Peter-- Me thinks arrogance and stupidity are brothers in the same family. Bob Cook From: Peter Gluck Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 7:50 AM To: VORTEX Subject: Re: [Vo]:LENR energy dispute, straight answer to Jed Rothwell who has

Re: [Vo]:LENR energy dispute, straight answer to Jed Rothwell

The flow meter flow values implies that the steam flow control logic might not have affected the pump speeds used to circulate water between the reactor and the company. Do you have the piping layout? On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 8:36 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Axil Axil

Re: [Vo]:LENR energy dispute, straight answer to Jed Rothwell

When steam is required, water is removed from the circuit and sent to the customer, then that condensed water from condensed steam is return to the circuit. This simplifies the "steam on demand" control logic and does not effect the pump speed. The only component that the logic effects is a water

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's radiator

Now, you are pretending you are not understanding. 2016-08-15 19:48 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell : > Daniel Rocha wrote: > > What is in that website makes it easy to come up with 1MW. >> > >

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's radiator

Daniel Rocha wrote: Now, you are pretending you are not understanding. > Nope. Not pretending. I really, truly have no idea what you are talking about, or what web site you refer to. I do not have ESP. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:LENR energy dispute, straight answer to Jed Rothwell

Axil Axil wrote: When steam is required, water is removed from the circuit and sent to the > customer, then that condensed water from condensed steam is return to the > circuit. > Perhaps you are suggesting that heat not needed is dumped out. The imaginary heat rate is 1 MW

Re: [Vo]:LENR energy dispute, straight answer to Jed Rothwell

By the way, IMHO, no industrial heat boiler is restricted to producing a constant amount of heat. These units are "heat on demand" systems. A thermostatically controlled valve controls the flow of steam into the customer's process. On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 9:28 PM, Jed Rothwell