Re: [Vo]:first day in carbon capture

2009-06-04 Thread thomas malloy
Rick Monteverde wrote: Jed wrote: If you would like to argue that salt or CO2 in the wrong places in the wrong amounts are not pollutants, let's see some reasons. Hum, I assume the plan is to bury the NH3 (CO2)2. I wonder what happens when it gets hot? Wait a minute! -

Re: [Vo]:first day in carbon capture

2009-06-04 Thread leaking pen
Hum, it's almost summer here in the great northwest, why am I wearing this sweater? Oh yes, that's why they call it climate change. and here in arizona , we hit 9 days of over 100 in a row sooner than ever in recorded history. On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 11:14 PM, thomas malloy

[Vo]:first day in carbon capture

2009-06-04 Thread Taylor J. Smith
Rick Monteverde wrote: Jed wrote: If you would like to argue that salt or CO2 in the wrong places in the wrong amounts are not pollutants, let's see some reasons. Wait a minute! - Anthropogenic contributions of CO2 to the atmosphere is warming earth's climate (and we're at the

[Vo]:optical trap for FQ (Feline Quanta)

2009-06-04 Thread William Beaty
We recently constructed the first cat optical trap, a longwave incoherent 1-D version of the laser cooled adiabatic ion trap. Obtain a long spring-arm desklamp, lift it 10 high and aim its emitter downwards, and place a bath towel just below it (cellulose preferred over artificial fibers, aged

RE: [Vo]:first day in carbon capture

2009-06-04 Thread Jed Rothwell
Rick Monteverde wrote: Wait a minute! - Anthropogenic contributions of CO2 to the atmosphere is warming earth's climate (and we're at the tipping point now, etc.) If you say it's not, show me some reasons. In your version of a science forum, you can just make up pure scientifical sounding

RE: [Vo]:The Science of Greenhouse Effect...Time for some balance?

2009-06-04 Thread Mark Iverson
Give me the reference, even if its not peer-reviewed... -Mark -Original Message- From: leaking pen [mailto:itsat...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 10:41 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Science of Greenhouse Effect...Time for some balance? Im not too

Re: [Vo]:optical trap for FQ (Feline Quanta)

2009-06-04 Thread Terry Blanton
Speaking of, did you see the article on particle interaction entanglement? http://www.livescience.com/strangenews/090603-maco-entanglement.html It's a first. Terry On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 8:39 AM, William Beaty bi...@eskimo.com wrote: We recently constructed the first cat optical trap, a

Re: [Vo]:optical trap for FQ (Feline Quanta)

2009-06-04 Thread OrionWorks
From William B. We recently constructed the first cat optical trap, a longwave incoherent 1-D version of the laser cooled adiabatic ion trap. Obtain a long spring-arm desklamp, lift it 10 high and aim its emitter downwards, and place a bath towel just below it (cellulose preferred over

Re: [Vo]:optical trap for FQ (Feline Quanta)

2009-06-04 Thread OrionWorks
Terry sez: Speaking of, did you see the article on particle interaction entanglement? http://www.livescience.com/strangenews/090603-maco-entanglement.html It's a first. Terry I just received another unexpected response from an unknown point of reference: - All this talk

Re: [Vo]:optical trap for FQ (Feline Quanta)

2009-06-04 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:30 PM, OrionWorks svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: What is, well... what you will eventually discover is that this so-called entanglement phenomenon is nothing more mysterious than a fundamental characteristic of unified consciousness randomly generating a new batch of

Re: [Vo]:optical trap for FQ (Feline Quanta)

2009-06-04 Thread OrionWorks
Terry sez: Could we all agree to an environment where I have won the lottery?  :-) I wuz contemplating the same request. Well... there ya go! Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:optical trap for FQ (Feline Quanta)

2009-06-04 Thread Terry Blanton
http://www.hplusmagazine.com/articles/bio/spooky-world-quantum-biology What does this all mean? Not only does quantum phenomena occur in living systems, but the basic processes of life we take for granted rely on the transfer of information backward in time. Life is so magical because it cheats.

RE: [Vo]:The Science of Greenhouse Effect...Time for some balance?

2009-06-04 Thread Rick Monteverde
Nice shot on the messenger, well done! (got anything on his message? ) -Original Message- From: Nick Palmer [mailto:ni...@wynterwood.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 3:43 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Science of Greenhouse Effect...Time for some balance?

RE: [Vo]:first day in carbon capture

2009-06-04 Thread Rick Monteverde
-Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 3:34 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:first day in carbon capture That may be incorrect, but it is not nonsense. It is supported by some data and

Re: [Vo]:The Science of Greenhouse Effect...Time for some balance?

2009-06-04 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Rick Monteverde wrote: Nice shot on the messenger, well done! (got anything on his message? ) The page in question was actually directed at his message, not the messenger, despite the title. There was no ad hominem involved at all. Anyone unclear on this should go read the page to which

Re: [Vo]:optical trap for FQ (Feline Quanta)

2009-06-04 Thread William Beaty
On Thu, 4 Jun 2009, Terry Blanton wrote: Speaking of, did you see the article on particle interaction entanglement? http://www.livescience.com/strangenews/090603-maco-entanglement.html Entanglement, followed by simultaneous altered behavior with a decoherence time constant ...is phenomena

RE: [Vo]:first day in carbon capture

2009-06-04 Thread Jed Rothwell
Rick Monteverde wrote: The assertion made by Fink -- that high CO2 levels do not affect human respiration therefore the global warming hypothesis must be wrong -- is not supported by data or theory. . . . [Fink] may be incorrect, but it is not nonsense. It is supported by some data and

RE: [Vo]:first day in carbon capture

2009-06-04 Thread Jeff Fink
A clarification: I was responding to Leaking pen, when he challenged me to survive in a room full of CO2 as proof that CO2 is not pollutant. To that I responded that even at twice ambient atmospheric levels of CO2, I would not even notice. In a subsequent post I backed up my response with some

Re: [Vo]:first day in carbon capture

2009-06-04 Thread grok
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com mounted the barricade and roared out: His actual assertion here seems to be that carbon capture is impractical and demanding it will, in practical terms, block use of the fuels for which

[Vo]:biological transmutation

2009-06-04 Thread thomas malloy
Taylor J. Smith wrote: Rick Monteverde wrote: Jed wrote: Joking aside, why is it that so many people refuse to face the fact that the main reason for our current economic problems is simple theft? The thieves managed to get the law (and the rules) changed so that they could not be

Re: [Vo]:first day in carbon capture

2009-06-04 Thread grok
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, leaking pen itsat...@gmail.com mounted the barricade and roared out: Balance? Science is not political. Reality and facts do NOT bend to political bias. Is that a troll? - -- Build the North America-wide General

Re: [Vo]:first day in carbon capture

2009-06-04 Thread grok
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, leaking pen itsat...@gmail.com mounted the barricade and roared out: Hum, it's almost summer here in the great northwest, why am I wearing this sweater? Oh yes, that's why they call it climate change. and here in arizona

Re: [Vo]:Shanahan goes off the deep end!

2009-06-04 Thread thomas malloy
Jed Rothwell wrote: William Beaty wrote: I had a large insight into my own psychology, and theirs. My inner bigot tells me exactly what's going on: CF-haters respond to CF supporters in the same way that racists respond to non-whites: with intolerance, with very strong feelings of

RE: [Vo]:first day in carbon capture

2009-06-04 Thread Rick Monteverde
Jed - What Jeff said later. I was just having fun with your response, no harm intended. - Rick -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 10:21 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:first day in

RE: [Vo]:The Science of Greenhouse Effect...Time for some balance?

2009-06-04 Thread Rick Monteverde
The message, despite the link, was clearly ad-hominem. -Original Message- From: Stephen A. Lawrence [mailto:sa...@pobox.com] Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 10:13 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Science of Greenhouse Effect...Time for some balance? The page in

Re: [Vo]:The Science of Greenhouse Effect...Time for some balance?

2009-06-04 Thread leaking pen
i am in agreement partially. since it included substance, it was simply an insult, as it was not the basis of his arguement. On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Rick Monteverde r...@highsurf.com wrote: The message, despite the link, was clearly ad-hominem. -Original Message- From:

Re: [Vo]:optical trap for FQ (Feline Quanta)

2009-06-04 Thread leaking pen
::Falls over laughing: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 5:39 AM, William Beaty bi...@eskimo.com wrote: We recently constructed the first cat optical trap, a longwave incoherent 1-D version of the laser cooled adiabatic ion trap. Obtain a long spring-arm desklamp, lift it 10 high and aim its emitter

Re: [Vo]:first day in carbon capture

2009-06-04 Thread leaking pen
nor did i ever state that double co2 would do it. i suggested simply turning up the co2 to higher and higher concentrations, you know, just until you stopped breathing! On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Jeff Fink rev...@ptd.net wrote: A clarification: I was responding to Leaking pen, when he

Re: [Vo]:biological transmutation

2009-06-04 Thread grok
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, thomas malloy temall...@usfamily.net mounted the barricade and roared out: Joking aside, why is it that so many people refuse to face the fact that the main reason for our current economic problems is simple theft? The