Because this is in his flamboyant nature to show someting HUGE, LOUD,
POWERFUL, etc. etc.
He's convinced that the more is big, the more demostrates it works.
2011/10/17 Peter Heckert
> He always said he /has/ to build a 1 MW plant.
> Why /had/ he to do this, when he had no written contract?
>
>From: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com
>If the "law of inertia" is universally true, some sort of centripetal
>force is required to keep the disc revolving in a circle as it moves
>above the magnets. I can vaguely grasp how the phenomena of locking
>preserves the tilt of the disc, but how does
Hi Dave,
Anyone who goes thru the trouble of providing calcs to support their
position is most welcome!
This is a tough, but for the most part, fair and objective collection of
characters. not to mention that some of them have been around for near 2
decades on this forum. strong opinions, but
I suspect Rossi decided long ago that he wanted to build something
big, and he pitched the idea of a 1MW plant to Defkalion
They agreed to buy it from Rossi as long as Rossi could prove the
plant was capable of operating safely several weeks before it was to
be delivered.
Harry
On Mon, Oct 17, 20
If the "law of inertia" is universally true, some sort of centripetal
force is required to keep the disc revolving in a circle as it moves
above the magnets. I can vaguely grasp how the phenomena of locking
preserves the tilt of the disc, but how does locking bring about the
necessary centripetal f
Am 18.10.2011 00:30, schrieb Terry Blanton:
Perhaps Rossi wanted to one up Bloom Energy's 100kW power cell.
1,000,000 watts is a nice round number.
There is something odd with this:
People have said, the Fat Cat got hot outside.
Even Rossi stated there is considerable heat loss by the surfac
Am 18.10.2011 00:19, schrieb Esa Ruoho:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws6AAhTw7RA
pretty
Wow!
I am attaching an Excel simulation which uses the power measured via the
secondary water path of the heat exchanger to estimate the primary vapor flow.
With this information it is possible to estimate the water mass in grams
remaining within the ECAT as it responds to water pump input flow and
Greetings Vortex,
I haven t had a chance look for the superconductor material used in the
levitation video,
but it seems like this is not the usual "flux pinning" as experienced by
1-2-3 SC materials:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flux_pinning
Ron Kita, Chiralex
Few people realize that when one
tiistai, 18. lokakuuta 2011 Robert Leguillon
kirjoitti:
> I think that there is still room to question the results, and I'm
certainly not the only one.
I think that the problem here is not that are there still room to question
the results. But problem is that skeptics have run out of the argument
Wolf! Wolf! wolf? wolf... WOOF! WOOF! WOOF!Rich
Prediction is an hazardous pasttime, especially about the future... Woody Allen
On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 5:56 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
wrote:
> From: Rich Murray
>
>> As one of the pragmatic skeptics, I quote today's Waterloo m
I'm just interested in what kind of unpowered system can use insulation to
increase its temperature after the power has been shut off.
It seems to me Jed has a point.
Sent from my iPhone.
On Oct 17, 2011, at 21:37, Robert Leguillon
wrote:
> Mr. Rothwell never attacked me personally. He
Terry Blanton wrote:
> Why does a 65-year-old fisherman set out in stormy weather, with a leaking
> > 10 m boat, three sheets to the wind (drunk)?
>
>
> A very appropriate phrase considering it's etymology:
>
> http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/three-sheets-to-the-wind.html
Yup. That's what my
Mr. Rothwell never attacked me personally. He merely labeled all remaining
skeptics as ignorant/blind/foolish/etc. I think that there is still room to
question the results, and I'm certainly not the only one. I think that the ad
hominems can stifle open communication, and I thought that they did
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
>
> On 11-10-17 03:50 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:
>
>> Robert,
>>
>> You state:
>>
>> You [Mr. Rothwell] may disagree, and now be 100% convinced, but it's your
>>> personal attacks that are troubling.
>>>
>> Where has Mr. Rothwell attacked you personally
From: Rich Murray
> As one of the pragmatic skeptics, I quote today's Waterloo moment --
> in gratitude to Robert Leguillon and Alan J. Fletcher:
In regards to Rossi and the whole CF movement, just how many waterloo
moments have you had lately?
I seem to recall not long ago you were predicting
>From Mr. Lawrence,
> >> You [Mr. Rothwell] may disagree, and now be 100% convinced, but it's
> >> your personal attacks that are troubling.
SVJ sez:
> > Where has Mr. Rothwell attacked you personally?
>
> Well, if Robert is claiming that there was no energy generated, then
> the item from Jed w
As one of the pragmatic skeptics, I quote today's Waterloo moment --
in gratitude to Robert Leguillon and Alan J. Fletcher:
fromRobert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com
to vortex-l@eskimo.com
dateMon, Oct 17, 2011 at 9:23 AM
[ Jed Rothwell : ]
"The skeptical, conservative posi
There are many kinds of contracts. Those that are just talking, those that
are preliminary and those that are legally binding. I meant with contracts
those that are legally binding contracts. It was certainly not the case,
because Rossi does not do contracts without seeing the cash first. Therefore
Not so, now you see the states are locked by a discontinuity placed in the
superconductor. The superconductor will drop with the application of a radio
wave a dimensional frequency of 1 million meters per second. been there done
that. Now in the process of forming a company to produce electri
Jouni Valkonen wrote:
I doubt that MW project was [ever] for the Defkalion, because there was
nothing but talks from the beginning.
Rossi and Defkalion both said there was a contract, not just talk. Why
do you think both of them are lying about their business relationship?
If they were only
Astounding!
- Jed
Perhaps Rossi wanted to one up Bloom Energy's 100kW power cell.
1,000,000 watts is a nice round number.
T
2011/10/18 Jed Rothwell :
> It seems odd to that he is found yet another customer who demands a megawatt
> reactor.
I think that this is misinterpretation. The Customer who wanted the MW
demonstration was Rossi himself, or more accurately it was LTI that
was separated from Leonardo Corporation, bu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws6AAhTw7RA
pretty
I wrote:
It seems odd to that he is found yet another customer who demands a
megawatt reactor.
Excuse me:
It seems odd that he has found yet another customer who demands a
megawatt reactor.
You see what you will soon be up against with Siri, who also works with
NaturallySpeaking based s
Frank Acland wrote:
Remember, he was initially going to build it for Defkalion GT. Perhaps that
> is what Defklalion, the first customer, ordered. He started building it and
> then cancelled the contract and now he has a 1MW plant on his hands. So
> maybe he just decided to keep going.
That is
Am 17.10.2011 23:12, schrieb Frank Acland:
Remember, he was initially going to build it for Defkalion GT. Perhaps
that is what Defklalion, the first customer, ordered. He started
building it and then cancelled the contract and now he has a 1MW plant
on his hands. So maybe he just decided to kee
Remember, he was initially going to build it for Defkalion GT. Perhaps that
is what Defklalion, the first customer, ordered. He started building it and
then cancelled the contract and now he has a 1MW plant on his hands. So
maybe he just decided to keep going.
On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Pet
Am 17.10.2011 22:15, schrieb OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson:
I hope for the best. I sincerely wish Rossi success in his endeavor,
for we would all benefit.
I wish him the best, if he really has done honest and carefully
research, even if he failed.
Remember, scientific and technological progres
Peter Heckert wrote:
No one denies that Rossi has a lot of experience!
From his way to answer or ignore reasonable and logical questions I
conclude that he has no experience how to discuss with educated people
that have another opinion than his own
He is not very good at this. He has spe
>From Peter:
> He always said he /has/ to build a 1 MW plant.
> Why /had/ he to do this, when he had no written
> contract? The only explanation I can think about, is, he has to
> do this because he already purchased the material (without having
> a contract to sell it). Maybe he got the boxes in
On 11-10-17 03:50 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:
Robert,
You state:
You [Mr. Rothwell] may disagree, and now be 100% convinced, but it's your
personal attacks that are troubling.
Where has Mr. Rothwell attacked you personally?
Well, if Robert is claiming that there was no energ
Robert Leguillon wrote:
Obviously, you have come to your conclusions. I have found this test
inconclusive. You may disagree, and now be 100% convinced, but it's
your personal attacks that are troubling.
Pointing out that your assertions violate elementary laws of physics is
NOT a personal
Robert,
You state:
> You [Mr. Rothwell] may disagree, and now be 100% convinced, but it's your
> personal attacks that are troubling.
Where has Mr. Rothwell attacked you personally? As far as I can tell
Mr. Rothwell has attacked your opinions - some of the conclusions and
speculations you have
He always said he /has/ to build a 1 MW plant.
Why /had/ he to do this, when he had no written contract?
The only explanation I can think about, is, he has to do this because he
already purchased the material (without having a contract to sell it).
Maybe he got the boxes in a fortunate deal on in
I wrote:
I seriously recommend you try that before making more assertions about
this test. It is not expensive or difficult to put insulation around
an 8-gallon pot of boiling hot water. Turn off the gas, move the pot
to an blanket of insulation, and cover it up. Use ordinary household
insula
Obviously, you have come to your conclusions. I have found this test
inconclusive. You may disagree, and now be 100% convinced, but it's your
personal attacks that are troubling. You continue to strike down questions
with comments like:
"Skepics who claim that the temperature di
On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> Why does a 65-year-old fisherman set out in stormy weather, with a leaking
> 10 m boat, three sheets to the wind (drunk)?
A very appropriate phrase considering it's etymology:
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/three-sheets-to-the-wind.htm
Am 17.10.2011 20:58, schrieb Jed Rothwell:
Peter Heckert wrote:
The problem is, that they claim they have heated an office before.
This is not a problem. On the contrary it strengthens Rossi's claim.
Several people said they saw the heater in operation so I suppose this
is true.
Rossi a
Peter Heckert wrote:
The problem is, that they claim they have heated an office before.
This is not a problem. On the contrary it strengthens Rossi's claim.
Several people said they saw the heater in operation so I suppose this
is true.
Rossi also claimed before they had done mass flow c
Im not so sure.
He is trained to buy waste from his oil company ;-)
You can buy all this stuff on the surplus market or on the industrial
section of ebay just for the copper price, if you look around.
There is absolutely no evidency that he invested much money.
Maybe he got this stuff accidentia
On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 1:53 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
> This is another typical Steorn production -- nothing's measured (at least,
> not enough to show anything).
Ketchup, Stephen. It's the Orbo of the solid state variety. No magnets.
It's not true that nothing is measured. The pints a
2011/10/17 Terry Blanton :
> It should be obvious to all but the blind that this is not a hoax nor a scam.
>
Indeed. I think it is completely out of the question that this is a
hoax. It might be theoretically possible, to make illusion of excess
heat if Rossi has e.g. falsified two ammeters. But t
Peter Heckert wrote:
I bought a brandnew kettle boiler for my kitchen, because the old was
used up.
The label says 1850W-2200W. (I have 230VAC) Probably its a PTC heater.
You have 230 VAC because you are in Europe. In the US, ordinary circuits
are 120 VAC. Washing machines or electric water
On 11-10-16 10:18 PM, Harry Veeder wrote:
As you can hear from the nervous laughter in the video Steorn staff
like to joke, but do you still think Steorn's Orbo is a joke?
Yup. (Joke, scam, fake -- pick your term, they all apply.)
This is another typical Steorn production -- nothing's meas
Am 17.10.2011 19:20, schrieb Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint:
Peter left out one minor detail...
The purpose of a scam is to make money at other people's expense... If the 1MW
demo fails, nobody gets paid, and Rossi has just FLUSHED his entire net worth
down the drain.
I dont think about this. It happe
Robert Leguillon wrote:
> Am I to understand that even the most pragmatic skepticism it to be
> dismissed?
>
> So the *open-minded* position is that:
>
The 6 statements that follow are not open-minded or pragmatic skepticism.
They all mistakes. You do not understand what I and others have been
It should be obvious to all but the blind that this is not a hoax nor a scam.
T
Peter left out one minor detail...
The purpose of a scam is to make money at other people's expense... If the 1MW
demo fails, nobody gets paid, and Rossi has just FLUSHED his entire net worth
down the drain.
Peter, answer the question as to why Rossi would flush his money down the
drain. He h
I don't know about the rest of you, but I've had enough of the E-Cat fiasco
until the end of the month.
I was going thru some old papers and found an s.p.f newsgroup article from
1991. yes, I'm kind of a pack-rat when it comes to sci-tech stuff.
The article was posted by Bill Goffe at the
Am 17.10.2011 18:35, schrieb OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson:
Personally, I think it is ludicrous to assume Oct. 28 is the "big day"
for humanity. The pessimist within me currently speculates that a more
likely scenario will be that as Oct 28 arrives and the demo begins
Rossi's 1 MW prototype may
At 09:23 AM 10/17/2011, Robert Leguillon wrote:
"The skeptical, conservative position is to believe in
conventional physics and to trust that laboratory grade instruments have
worked correctly in thousands of experiments (including this one) and
therefore cold fusion must be real."
Am I to un
Am 17.10.2011 15:57, schrieb Jed Rothwell:
mailto:peter.heck...@arcor.de>> wrote:
1 kW is barely enough to make a cup of tee in the morning in
reasonable time.
I use 2 kW, thats faster.
2 kW equipment is not allowed on ordinary U.S. 120 VAC circuits. 15
amps is the limit nowadays.
Mark Gibbs' article in "Network World"
http://www.networkworld.com/columnists/2011/101411-backspin.html?page=3
...ends with:
...
> It remains to be seen whether this is really all some
> kind of mistake, which seems unlikely, or a hoax, which
> seems equally implausible because, if it is all bo
"The skeptical, conservative position is to believe in conventional physics and
to trust that laboratory grade instruments have worked correctly in thousands
of experiments (including this one) and therefore cold fusion must be real."
Am I to understand that even the most pragmatic skepticis
On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote:
> WOW, now that is really a mainstream magazine!
His Infoweek article is better.
T
I wrote:
> The test will be held in Italy, not Florida, and Rossi told me emphatically
> that I am NOT invited. He was upset by my recent criticisms. I was upset by
> the fact that he didn't even bother to insert an SD card into a meter, for
> crying out loud.
>
To be fair de Rossi, I should add
fznidar...@aol.com wrote:
You can do it Jed.
The test will be held in Italy, not Florida, and Rossi told me
emphatically that I am NOT invited. He was upset by my recent
criticisms. I was upset by the fact that he didn't even bother to insert
an SD card into a meter, for crying out loud. Th
You can do it Jed.
Frank
I meant to say
The amount of power is IRRELEVANT.
It varied between somewhere between 2 and 8 kW. the instrumentation was not
good enough to determine whether the low-end was 2 kW or 3 kW. That is
annoying, but it has absolutely no bearing on whether there was energy
production or not. It is not
peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
On October 6 the eCat ran for 4 hours without input.
It is questioned if there where any output
Questioned by who? Where? On what basis? Anything can be "questioned"
including the moon landings and whether an airplane actually did smash
into the towers on 9/11
wrote:
> 1 kW is barely enough to make a cup of tee in the morning in reasonable
> time.
> I use 2 kW, thats faster.
>
2 kW equipment is not allowed on ordinary U.S. 120 VAC circuits. 15 amps is
the limit nowadays. That is 1.8 kW but actually all heaters and teapots are
1.5 kW. I have 2 electri
WOW, now that is really a mainstream magazine!
2011/10/17 OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
> > Mostly speculative
> >
> >
> http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2011/10/17/hello-cheap-energy-hello-brave-new-world/
> >
> > Mostly harmless.
>
> http://www.singularity.com/charts/page50.html
>
> On a
On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 10:18 PM, Harry Veeder wrote:
> . . . but do you still think Steorn's Orbo is a joke?
With a name like that?
T
> Mostly speculative
>
> http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2011/10/17/hello-cheap-energy-hello-brave-new-world/
>
> Mostly harmless.
http://www.singularity.com/charts/page50.html
On a related point, and after following a few links, the author, Mark
Gibss, points the reader to an interesting w
Mostly speculative
http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2011/10/17/hello-cheap-energy-hello-brave-new-world/
Mostly harmless.
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
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