I am pleased to see that you are now a believer in the ECAT Peter.
I have not converted from Saulus to Paulus ;-)
This, because I never where Saulus.
I want to know, not to believe.
Especially for the effect, I think it could work, but the acting and arguing of
Rossi make me doubt.
Im a
Yes this is true.
It was a quick idea that I had during work and posted during work without much
consideration.
Rossi should have released the steam into the air after the testing was
finished. This would give 300 liter of dry steam per second but in air up in
the sky it will condense and
Hi Peter,
In every test there's been something missing. Why?
Colin
On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 3:33 PM, peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
Yes this is true.
It was a quick idea that I had during work and posted during work without
much consideration.
Rossi should have released the steam into the
Dont ask me.
Ask Rossi, ask Levi, ask Focardi, ask Passi or any other from this team.
There is a very obvious answer, but it is impossible to prove, so I cannot give
an answer.
Also I have learned in live, the obvious answers are sometimes false and there
are other surprising explanations.
From Terry,
Interesting images:
http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/evidence-reports/2011/208/tracks-n-water.
htm
Interesting but totally mundane. Actually, not all that interesting, at
least not to me.
I'm astonished at how the author of this web site has managed to completely
fabricate a
Hello everyone,
My name is Berke and I'm not an electrochemist. Nor a physicist for
that matter. (Just a comp. sci.
guy.) That being said, I'd like to discuss this issue nonetheless. I
find this subject extremely interesting.
Also, congratulations for this well-kept and informative list.
On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 8:42 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
orionwo...@charter.net wrote:
As a visual artist all I can say is never EVER underestimate the power of
personal interpretation. Personal Interpretation happens. ;-)
Indeed. Well, it was just a little diversion from eCats.
I've seen some tantalizing photographic evidence that might
just might show fossil evidence, of low life forms that had
lived in the water and mud when Mars was still a wet planet.
My slight understanding is that Mars does not have a high enough
gravity to retain enough air for a very
The conjecture I've heard speculates that billions of years ago.
Yes... not millions... but BILLIONS of years ago, when mars was
significantly younger, the atmosphere may have been a lot thicker than
that it is today. More atmospheric pressure in turn would have allowed
liquid water to remain on
That would have been an excellent idea Peter with one exception. If the fire
and police had arrived to stop the display, then there might not have been
enough time to prove that the self sustaining mode had a large enough COP. It
is hard to win in that situation.
Cheers,
Dave
I think I know the reason why there is always a question in such a
demonstration. No one has ever performed an experiment that has completely
eliminated any optional explanation for the results obtained. Those who accept
the limited proof are convinced that the experiment was successful,
Yes this is correct. If the poutput energy is proven then it is still
possible to doubt the amount of input energy or hidden energy sources.
But I think the output energy can be proven: By heating a big amount of
water or -preferably- by boiling a known amount of water in an /open/
vessel.
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
I think I know the reason why there is always a question in such a
demonstration. No one has ever performed an experiment that has completely
eliminated any optional explanation for the results obtained.
On the other hand, some experiments are more
Am 03.11.2011 18:25, schrieb Jed Rothwell:
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com mailto:dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
I think I know the reason why there is always a question in such a
demonstration. No one has ever performed an experiment that has
completely eliminated any optional
Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
He must allow to connect tested and calibrated calorimetric equipment
provided by an independent party to the steam output of the ecat, and allow
to connect professional instruments that record the electrical input power.
Thats all. Then he must
I don't think that as a practical matter electroplating can work to coat
the particles of a micro powder but vapor disposition will work.
Furthermore, the powder can be made of bulk material, only the nanometer
thick secret surface treatment needs to be heavy nickel (Ni62-64). This is
not that
The ion diffusion speed in an electrolyte is only some centimeters per
minute at best, while the speed in a Calutron is probably some 100 to
some 1000 kilometres per second.
Therefore the mass inertia of the nucleus at this low speed has no
effect. The electrolyte vessel must be some 1000 km
Am 03.11.2011 19:19, schrieb Jed Rothwell:
Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de mailto:peter.heck...@arcor.de
wrote:
He must allow to connect tested and calibrated calorimetric
equipment provided by an independent party to the steam output of
the ecat, and allow to connect
Now Peter, you need to calm down there. Maybe the piano is not such a bad idea
for relaxation.
Rossi has his plans and we have our desires so who do you think will get there
way? He has done a lot more than most companies that keep trade secrets
hidden until the actual moment of sales. We
Am 03.11.2011 20:07, schrieb David Roberson:
Can you show proof that it is a scam?
No. Rossi knows how much scammers are out there and are competing. He
often complains about all these snakes that are paid by hostile and
fraudulent competition.
If he wants to be different then he must show
Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
He must do this if he wants to do a scientific level proof of evidency.
He has said countless times that he does not care what scientists think. He
is only interested in what his customers think. That is a perfectly valid
set of standards. Many
On 11-11-02 04:48 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Either that, or the water level fluctuated. That seems more likely
to me. When it starts to rise, you increase the reaction. When it
falls too far, you throttle it.
This is, of course, all old stuff being reiterated
Why not attempt to prove it is a scam? I suggest that you will find it is real.
I prefer to have some data as supplied instead of just words as we see from
Piantelli and others. Words are cheap. I saw a youtube link where some others
talk about great progress. Now, let them show us a
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Exactly which test do you refer to? What was the date?
Despite my use of the singular, I wasn't thinking of a single specific
test; as far as I can recall, all the steam tests done in the spring
supposedly had the same output temperature, to within a degree: 101C
I wrote:
The colonel and others who know a lot about steam have all said that they
are certain this was dry steam.
I mean that he said that about Rossi's previous tests. And this one too.
There is no doubt the Oct. 28 test produced only dry steam. You can see the
condensate collection bucket
I hope Piantelli is like Conrad Roentgen.
He worked for years in total secrecy and silency and did not tell a word
to others.
And then he presented a scientific work and experiments that gave total
proof.
Piantelli behaves like a real scientist until now.
Lets hope for a surprise.
He has
Rossi Container found in Genoa:
http://www.wired.com/magazine/2011/10/ff_radioactivecargo/all/1
Breakthrough in Cold Fusion - Need is the Mother of Invention:
http://dailypygmy.com/?p=1378
T
:-)
Following up on Jed's comments:
Conjecture that Rossi has been, in a sense, indirectly obfuscating
some of his own results - as if to throw the bloodhounds off of his
scent trail has been discussed to some extent within the Vort
Collective. I suspect there is some merit to such conjecture.
It's
I am afraid we need an engineer instead of scientist. Engineers get the task
completed in a manner that is acceptable for production, at least eventually.
Why not back a proven device? The others are no even in view for us to analyze.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Peter Heckert
Am 03.11.2011 20:51, schrieb David Roberson:
I am afraid we need an engineer instead of scientist. Engineers get
the task completed in a manner that is acceptable for production, at
least eventually.
Think about this man at Fraunhofer (I dont remember his name) who
invented MP3.
He tried to
Having the patent granted may not be such an important goal for him at this
time. The longer he waits, the further into the future it extends. This
reminds me of the submarine patents that come up far into the future when the
most money is made. Rossi may be smart as a fox. Eventually it
it. If there had been a lot of water coming out with steam, that bucket
would have overflowed in no time.
Incorrect since the valve is pratically closed. SImply you don't know.
By the way, i've readed many comments by guys that are experts of
thermodynamics: nobody will use the Colonel approach,
Correction: with the Colonel approach you collect *a part *of the water
already condensed, since there isn't a U water trap!
2011/11/3 Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com
it. If there had been a lot of water coming out with steam, that bucket
would have overflowed in no time.
Incorrect
Am 03.11.2011 21:14, schrieb David Roberson:
Having the patent granted may not be such an important goal for him at
this time. The longer he waits, the further into the future it
extends. This reminds me of the submarine patents that come up far
into the future when the most money is made.
On 11-11-03 03:41 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
I wrote:
The colonel and others who know a lot about steam have all said
that they are certain this was dry steam.
I mean that he said that about Rossi's previous tests. And this one too.
There is no doubt the Oct. 28 test produced only dry
On 11-11-03 04:20 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
On 11-11-03 03:41 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
I wrote:
The colonel and others who know a lot about steam have all said
that they are certain this was dry steam.
I mean that he said that about Rossi's previous tests. And this one too.
But Rossi is selling them according to his statement. It is a shame that so
much money is being wasted on the old technologies but political forces are
difficult to overcome.
Have you attempted to stop a steam liner alone? I think you have a better
chance to do that than change Rossi's
Mattia Rizzi wrote:
I think that the Colonel was hired by Ampenergo.
Why would they hire someone to tell them what they already know? Rossi
and Ampenergo did not use the colonel to improve their own credibility.
By the way, Rossi confirmed that he has already worked with the Colonel.
Jed, i think you missed the most important part of my message.
So did the colonel, and so did the document they published.
I mean, Rossi and the colonel have worked toghether in the past.
2011/11/3 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
Mattia Rizzi wrote:
I think that the Colonel was hired by
Mattia Rizzi wrote:
So did the colonel, and so did the document they published.
I mean, Rossi and the colonel have worked toghether in the past.
Yes, I know they have. They talked about it. No one disputes that they
have. What's your point? Do you think that anyone who has worked with
On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
I hope Piantelli is like Conrad Roentgen.
He worked for years in total secrecy and silency and did not tell a word to
others.
And then he presented a scientific work and experiments that gave total
proof.
Piantelli
On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com wrote:
By the way, Rossi
confirmed that he has already worked with the Colonel.
Fioravanti was at the Oct. 6 demonstration. I wonder if that is what AR meant.
T
What's your point?
I think it's interesting that a *secret* USA customer hired a person that
has worked with Rossi.
But Jed, you missed again the most interesting part of my message.
It's:
Jed Rothwell: it. If there had been a lot of water coming out with steam,
that bucket would have overflowed
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Wait -- do you mean Miley's recent work on Patterson-type cells?
Nope. Gas loaded ZrPd powder. Similar to Arata. Roughly the same power
density as Rossi.
I've never argued that what Rossi is claiming is physically
impossible. He's too clever to claim perpetual
Mattia Rizzi wrote:
Jed Rothwell: it. If there had been a lot of water coming out with
steam, that bucket would have overflowed in no time.
Mattia Rizzi: Incorrect since the valve is pratically closed. SImply
you don't know.
Lewan felt the lower pipe and the valve attached to it and
Jed, you are not answering my questions.
The valve is not so much open, so the quantity of water is simply
arbitrary. You cannot say 'if there was much liquid water then it will go
out from the pipe'.
What is interesting is:
1) Why the colonel as not installed a demister?
2) Why the colonel even a
Am 03.11.2011 22:08, schrieb Jed Rothwell:
He has also proved it by first principles in the Oct. 6 test. Unless
you think a 30 L container of water can magically radiate heat for 4
hours and yet remain hot while you run 60 L of tap water through it.
It is ridiculous that anyone would
Dear all,
I've published part 10 of my CF column in German online magazine
Telepolis. Of course it's about Rossi again:
http://www.heise.de/tp/artikel/35/35803/1.html
People quoted:
- Andrea Rossi
- Jed Rothwell
- Giseppe Levi
- Horace Heffner
- Terry Blanton
Quotes from Andrea Rossi (Oct
This is a pretty good report. Way better than Fox News.
- Jed
Peter Heckert wrote:
Rossi is a magically talented engineer but because he never has proven
his claims -and this would be easy if true- we must assume that he
abuses his abilities to fool us.
Theory of magic:
It is possible to keep the water boiling if you realize that the
amperemeter was
Am 03.11.2011 23:02, schrieb Jed Rothwell:
Peter Heckert wrote: For example he is a good psychologist and he
knows how to fool people.
No, he is a terrible psychologist. He does not know how to fool
anyone. He inspires no confidence in anyone. he gives everyone,
including me, the impression
Am 03.11.2011 23:28, schrieb Peter Heckert:
Am 03.11.2011 23:02, schrieb Jed Rothwell:
Peter Heckert wrote: For example he is a good psychologist and he
knows how to fool people.
No, he is a terrible psychologist. He does not know how to fool
anyone. He inspires no confidence in anyone. he
Peter Heckert wrote:
This is how he appears to you, and this is why he doesnt invite you.
He wants to look like a crook? This is complicated reverse psychology.
It could easily backfire I suppose, and have the opposite effect. I
suppose he also wanted the authorities to send him to jail
Peter Heckert wrote:
What do you think why did he invite an AP journalist who has no
technical or scientific knowledge?
Who told you this journalist has no technical or scientific knowledge?
Did you communicate with the journalist? Where did you get this information?
Please do not make
Am 03.11.2011 23:45, schrieb Jed Rothwell:
Peter Heckert wrote:
What do you think why did he invite an AP journalist who has no
technical or scientific knowledge?
Who told you this journalist has no technical or scientific knowledge?
Did you communicate with the journalist? Where did you
The same article is carried by yahoo:
http://news.yahoo.com/italian-cold-fusion-machine-passes-another-test-170606262.html
T
Jed, i'm still waiting to know why an expert of thermodynamic, hired for
checking a 2,000,000$ trade, would:
1) Mesaure the energy by measuring the liquid water condensed and then
calculate the energy by the ASSUMPTION that the remaining water has been
converted into a dry steam, when there are
I know that this post is going to ruffle some feathers, but:
He has indeed done stints in jail. He has repeatedly claimed incredible strides
in developing rare technology, and has seen things go awry in delivery.
Petroldragon appeared totally revolutionary. The telling of this story varies
I add another piece: the TEG patent was rejected from EPO for lack of
novelty.
-Messaggio originale-
From: Robert Leguillon
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:50 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan on Steam Quality
I know that this post is going to ruffle some
Does Rossi's E-Cat Work? There is Only One Way to Find Out
The past few days have seen the Rossi E-Cat reported in both news and
blogs, with still no definitive answer if the device actually works.
The process of introducing the device to the market is stirring up
lots of controversy.
So, how
I see Hagelstein is now saying that vibration lies at the core of the process.
Miley has switched to nano meter particles.
I have been saying that since 1998.
http://www.padrak.com/ine/NEN_5_11_12.html
They will eventually catch and mention the dimensional frequency of 1,094,000
Thermophotovoltaic systems could provide another way of converting the
heat from ECat into electricity.
Or if you just want light then there is no need to make electricity.
Imagine a flashlight powered by a minature eCat.
http://www.technologyreview.com/read_article.aspx?id=16945ch=nanotech
I
Very well written paper. Bravissimo, Haiko!
Peter
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 12:02 AM, Haiko Lietz h...@haikolietz.de wrote:
Dear all,
I've published part 10 of my CF column in German online magazine
Telepolis. Of course it's about Rossi again:
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