[Vo]:Brian Ahern presentation with comments

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Re: [Vo]:Attenuation of decay rate in E-Cat

Hi…corrected spelling Why should coherent protons be any better at thermalizing gamma radiation than ordinary protons? (Especially if that coherence is limited to pairs). I am reading this paper to try and figure out what is talking about. Adiabatic entanglement transport in Rydberg aggregates

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 8:28 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Giovanni Santostasi wrote: > > >> In normal circumstances we would be able to see what is inside the box >> and take it apart but we are not allowed to do so. >> > > That is incorrect. The box has been taken apart. Many people have seen > ins

Re: [Vo]:Attenuation of decay rate in E-Cat

Hi… Why should coherent protons be any better at thermalizing gamma radiation than ordinary protons? (Especially if that coherence is limited to pairs). I am reading this paper to try and figure out what is taking about. Adiabatic entanglement transport in Rydberg aggregates http://www.citeb

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

Giovanni Santostasi wrote: > In normal circumstances we would be able to see what is inside the box and > take it apart but we are not allowed to do so. > That is incorrect. The box has been taken apart. Many people have seen inside it. > We could trust Rossi in claiming that the box is not

Re: [Vo]:Brian Ahern Will Not Be Presenting on December 7, 2011

On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 6:43 PM, Akira Shirakawa wrote: > From NextBigFuture: > > http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/**12/brian-ahern-will-not-be-** > presenting-on.html > > This is unexpected. Does anybody know why Dr. Brian A

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > To put it another way, older laws trump newer ones. > You mean like Newton's laws trump relativity and QM? > If calorimetry and thermodynamics prove that cold fusion does exist, you > cannot point to the newer laws governing plasma fusion

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

We should not forget though that there is a gap here between input and output and that is what happens inside the e-cat. It is not just some mysterious process inside the lattice but everything that happens inside the black box. In normal circumstances we would be able to see what is inside the box

Re: [Vo]:Attenuation of decay rate in E-Cat

In reply to Axil Axil's message of Wed, 7 Dec 2011 15:21:38 -0500: Hi, [snip] >In this low temperature lattice case, coulomb shielding from the ultra >strong dipole moments of Rydberg matter produced by the internal heater >will still occur and cold fusion will still result in a cold lattice. But

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

Giovanni Santostasi wrote: Jed, > With all respect I cannot understand where you come from when you make > such comments: > laws of nature-- > Rossi's claim is a violation of known laws of nature . . . > Sure. I meant the *calorimetry* must follow the laws of nature. As Harry Veeder wrote: "Only

Re: [Vo]:Discussion of "saturated steam locomotive" versus "superheated" from Railroad Age Gazette

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > Somewhat similarly, when you drive a fuel-injected car, the fuel is injected > into the cylinders at high pressure, and the point in burning it is to > increase its volume. You know that it is only recently that gasoline automobiles ha

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

No problem here, I was hoping for a short answer from the gentleman. Dave -Original Message- From: Jeff Sutton To: vortex-l Sent: Wed, Dec 7, 2011 7:48 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat Will you please stop cluttering this otherwise fine site with

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

Will you please stop cluttering this otherwise fine site with you endless bickering. Just agree to disagree and wait for more evidence. Please. Enough is enough. On Dec 7, 2011 7:43 PM, "Joshua Cude" wrote: > > > On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 6:07 PM, David Roberson wrote: > >> >> Give the poor guy a b

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 6:07 PM, David Roberson wrote: > > Give the poor guy a break. > You should give him a break about the trap. > He measured the input flow rate accurately. You and I and everyone else > would agree that the output flow rate and the input flow rate must be equal > in the l

Re: [Vo]:Discussion of "saturated steam locomotive" versus "superheated" from Railroad Age Gazette

On 11-12-07 06:11 PM, Joshua Cude wrote: On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 4:38 PM, David Roberson > wrote: The pressure must be established within the boiler so I guess the hotter steam does not make its way back to the boiler. Is it likely that some form of ch

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

Jed, With all respect I cannot understand where you come from when you make such comments: laws of nature-- Rossi's claim is a violation of known laws of nature, that would be ok, if he would make open the details of the experiment set up to third parties even just in terms of reliable input and ou

Re: [Vo]:New Larsen paper on Large Hadron Collider "UFO" Dust

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 6:58 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > and Horace makes some great points. There are some interesting points in the WL presentation also. T

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

>>Again, I do not need to apply the ignorant engineer card every time things do >>not add up. >But you do. You have to claim he was ignorant of the output flow rate, when he >in fact claimed he knew the output flow rate. And I submit that knowing that >the output flow rate was equal t

Re: [Vo]:New Larsen paper on Large Hadron Collider "UFO" Dust

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 6:15 PM, wrote: > > Lewis Larsen (Widom-Larsen) just posted a paper entitled: > > "Are LENRs causing some of the 'UFO' dust observed in the Large Hadron > Collider?  Maybe somebody should look." > > http://dev2.slideshare.com/lewisglarsen/lattice-energy-llccould-lenrs-be-pr

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 4:51 PM, David Roberson wrote: > Of course you are correct if water is being forced out of the ECAT. I see > no reason to believe that that is the situation since an attempt was made > to measure the water and some was captured. > But we don't know how successful this att

Re: [Vo]:Discussion of "saturated steam locomotive" versus "superheated" from Railroad Age Gazette

That pressure gives me visions of people being cut in to pieces by steam pressure. I recall an old friend saying that they once carried brooms within ships using high pressure steam. The broom was swept in front of you as you searched for small leaks. It was better to replace brooms than han

RE: [Vo]:Will tests surface mounted thermocouples on pipe

Of course. The issue is not whether a thermocouple can be placed under insulation on a pipe. It's a thermocouple being placed at a union with steam (theoretically) on one side and 38C water on the other. I address the insulation only as it spans both the hot and cold side, creating a common air

Re: [Vo]:Discussion of "saturated steam locomotive" versus "superheated" from Railroad Age Gazette

Many modern power plants run at close to 1,000F and at 3,000 psi. The weight of steam equals the weigh of water under this super-critical condition. Water does not boil but gets thinner and thinner. Solids do not accumulate in the boiler and there is no boiler blow down. Any solids in the wa

Re: [Vo]:Will tests surface mounted thermocouples on pipe

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:22 PM, David Roberson wrote: > Jed, to be a good test you would need to have a hot pipe connected > metallically a short distance from the cold pipe you were measuring. It > would be ideal if you could obtain a heat exchanger and make a setup very > much like Rossi's. I

Re: [Vo]:Discussion of "saturated steam locomotive" versus "superheated" from Railroad Age Gazette

I bet they did not allow children to ride in the locomotive with their fathers! I wonder why the superheating was so dangerous? I guess we might find out in the future if the main source of output power for LENR devices are steam engines. Dave -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell

Re: [Vo]:Will tests surface mounted thermocouples on pipe

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > I wrote: > > >> Try placing at thermocouple on a hot pipe, in various spots, under >> various covers. You will find the differences are insignificant. >> > > I did this years ago, working at Hydrodynamics. I happen to have a nice > dual input

Re: [Vo]:Discussion of "saturated steam locomotive" versus "superheated" from Railroad Age Gazette

That is what I was saying, maybe in a convoluted way. The check valve was a technique that actually would allow higher temperature and pressure to exist outside of the main boiler region. -Original Message- From: Joshua Cude To: vortex-l Sent: Wed, Dec 7, 2011 6:12 pm Subject: Re: [

Re: [Vo]:Will tests surface mounted thermocouples on pipe

Jed, to be a good test you would need to have a hot pipe connected metallically a short distance from the cold pipe you were measuring. It would be ideal if you could obtain a heat exchanger and make a setup very much like Rossi's. I do not think anyone would doubt that the temperature of the

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

On 7 December 2011 21:51, Robert Leguillon wrote: > A lot of responses have already been kicked up by JC and MY, but I'd > like to continue, if I may, to Jed. > This is a long reply, and was in discussion of using the primary of the > October 6th test in any considerations as to test validity.

[Vo]:New Larsen paper on Large Hadron Collider "UFO" Dust

Lewis Larsen (Widom-Larsen) just posted a paper entitled: "Are LENRs causing some of the 'UFO' dust observed in the Large Hadron Collider? Maybe somebody should look." http://dev2.slideshare.com/lewisglarsen/lattice-energy-llccould-lenrs-be-producing-ufos-in-large-hadron-colliderdec-7-2011 An

Re: [Vo]:Discussion of "saturated steam locomotive" versus "superheated" from Railroad Age Gazette

David Roberson wrote: I hope these steam locomotives are not bombs looking for a chance to > explode! > They often did explode, unfortunately, even in the 1930s, at the pinnacle of the technology. Maybe a single pipe explosion or an accident was more common than a boiler failure . . . I do not k

Re: [Vo]:Discussion of "saturated steam locomotive" versus "superheated" from Railroad Age Gazette

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 4:38 PM, David Roberson wrote: > The pressure must be established within the boiler so I guess the hotter > steam does not make its way back to the boiler. Is it likely that some > form of check valve is used at the throttle? If that were possible, then > higher pressure

Re: [Vo]:Bill Gates to build a new nuclear reactor -- with China

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:50 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: > One would think that > Microsoft certainly has the financial resources to explore > pie-in-the-sky matters. I must admit that I am disappointed to see MS's absence from this customer list: http://www.bloomenergy.com/customers

[Vo]:Will tests surface mounted thermocouples on pipe

I wrote: > Try placing at thermocouple on a hot pipe, in various spots, under various > covers. You will find the differences are insignificant. > I did this years ago, working at Hydrodynamics. I happen to have a nice dual input thermocouple, with a T1 - T2 mode, so I will try it again with a c

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

Robert Leguillon wrote: We do not have the incoming flow rate, and all we have for the outgoing > rate are the two from Lewan (one while it was running, and one during > purging). > Rossi stated the incoming flow rate was 15 L per hour. I think it was, because it took two hours to fill the vesse

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

Of course you are correct if water is being forced out of the ECAT. I see no reason to believe that that is the situation since an attempt was made to measure the water and some was captured. It should also be noted that Rossi and company had the input power set to 180 kWatts during the initi

Re: [Vo]:Discussion of "saturated steam locomotive" versus "superheated" from Railroad Age Gazette

That is an interesting article isn't it? I guess those guys knew how to make good steam engines in the old days. I noticed that the superheated steam is at a temperature a bit higher than the direct steam generated in the boiler. The pressure must be established within the boiler so I guess

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:21 PM, David Roberson wrote: > Of course you are making a good point that they did use extra equipment to > ensure that the steam was very dry. The question is what is the dryness of > the steam before it entered those devices? Do you have any reference to > this inform

[Vo]:Discussion of "saturated steam locomotive" versus "superheated" from Railroad Age Gazette

See Railway age gazette, Volume 53, No. 24, 1912, p. 1148. I kid you not. http://books.google.com/books?id=QrElMAAJ&pg=PA1148&lpg=PA1148 This document says superheating is safe and effective for switching engines. I read somewhere else they tended to explode, so they stopped putting superheat

Re: [Vo]:Celani: gamma spike during ignition of Rossi reactor

Axil, Interesting comment. Maybe it's worth noting that the Zeno-effect (decay deceleration) and the anti-Zeno effect (decay acceleration) can coexist and "see-saw" in some some systems. See: "Observation of the Quantum Zeno and Anti-Zeno effects in an unstable system" http://arxiv.org/abs/quan

RE: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

A lot of responses have already been kicked up by JC and MY, but I'd like to continue, if I may, to Jed. This is a long reply, and was in discussion of using the primary of the October 6th test in any considerations as to test validity. I completely understand your argument of rising an

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

OK, I think I understand your position now. You have a gut feeling that Rossi is attempting a scam, but you could actually be convinced it is a real system under the proper circumstances. You will get no argument from me regarding your statements needed for proof as I am quite unhappy about t

Re: [Vo]:Bill Gates to build a new nuclear reactor -- with China

>From Jed: >> It has been a conservative business strategy that has worked very well for >> BG. Nevertheless, I lament the fact that BG appears to have rarely shown >> much backbone towards exploring and subsequently exploiting >> unproven/cutting edge technologies such as those purported from Ro

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > You are welcome to have the last word if you please. > No, thank you. LOL.

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

Of course you are making a good point that they did use extra equipment to ensure that the steam was very dry. The question is what is the dryness of the steam before it entered those devices? Do you have any reference to this information? Are we talking about only 5% at this point? Thanks,

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: If by "steam engine" you mean "steam locomotive engine", then they actually > incorporated steam driers specifically to dry the steam after it left the > boiler and, IIRC, before it entered the superheater. That's what at least > some of those funny domes on the tops o

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:01 PM, David Roberson wrote: > Now, do you sincerely think that the large generator was supplying the > heat energy to vaporize the water? > I don't have sincere thoughts about anything on this subject. It could be, and that weakens Rossi's case. Those ecats could all h

Re: [Vo]:Bill Gates to build a new nuclear reactor -- with China

OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: > I believe others have made the observation that BG's success has > always revolved around exploiting technologies that have already been > reasonably tested and vetted. > Right. That's what he does. He has never developed an original software idea in his l

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

On 11-12-07 04:01 PM, David Roberson wrote: Dear Josh, at least you are consistent. Always claiming that someone or something is not as it appears. MY realizes she might be in error and I respect her for some honesty. Now, do you sincerely think that the large generator was supplying the h

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

Dear Josh, at least you are consistent. Always claiming that someone or something is not as it appears. MY realizes she might be in error and I respect her for some honesty. Now, do you sincerely think that the large generator was supplying the heat energy to vaporize the water? If all of u

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Mary Yugo wrote: > > >> As I have pointed out before, that is an invalid argument. Rossi can >> invalidate the entire line of thought simply by giving an E-cat to a >> university, >> > > Your statement applies to Rossi, not your own argument

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Mary Yugo wrote: > > >> >>> A person who thinks it is possible to keep water at boiling temperatures > for four hours at a poorly insulated vessel is not capable, by definition. > By any method? In a 100 kg device that holds 30 L of water.

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

Mary Yugo wrote: My statement has to be falsifiable and it is: simply by Rossi submitting his device to proper independent verification. I meant your first statement, which is that "there are probably potential methods" of stage magic or faking kilowatt levels of heat. "Probably potential"

Re: [Vo]:Bill Gates to build a new nuclear reactor -- with China

>From Alan, > http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/12/07/bill-gates-to-build-next-gen-nuclear-reactors-with-china/ > > BEIJING –  Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates confirmed Wednesday he is in > discussions with China to jointly develop a new and safer kind of nuclear > reactor. > > "The idea is to b

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Mary Yugo wrote: > > >> And I always have to remind you that there are probably many potential >> methods to cheat we may not have thought of. >> > > You do not have to remind me of that. I have to remind *you* that is a > violation of the sc

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 12:33 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Mary Yugo wrote: > > >> As I have pointed out before, that is an invalid argument. Rossi can >> invalidate the entire line of thought simply by giving an E-cat to a >> university, >> > > Your statement applies to Rossi, not your own argumen

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 1:54 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Mary Yugo wrote: > > >> I consider the Oct. 6 test definitive. >>> >> >> Many capable scientists and engineers do not agree. >> > > I have not heard from any yet. > How to break this to you? They don't care about you. You'll have to go looki

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

Mary Yugo wrote: > As I have pointed out before, that is an invalid argument. Rossi can > invalidate the entire line of thought simply by giving an E-cat to a > university, > Your statement applies to Rossi, not your own argument. *Your argument* has to be falsifiable. It is not. You are the o

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > > Fortunately, it is predicated on immutable laws of physics and first > principle observations made by dozens of people who I know to be honest. > No. The laws of physics and ordinary chemistry can explain all the observations without invo

Re: [Vo]:Bill Gates to build a new nuclear reactor -- with China

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 12:10 PM, Alan J Fletcher wrote: > > > OK .. start with the MS "Blue pool of death" etc jokes > Q: What is the most common cause of death of laboratory animals? A

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

Mary Yugo wrote: > Everyday experience with boiling water in poorly insulated pots proves you >> are wrong. You should think about the evidence and basic physics and stop >> repeating absurdities. >> > > What seems absurd to you is not to other capable people. > A person who thinks it is possib

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Mary Yugo wrote: > > >> And I always have to remind you that there are probably many potential >> methods to cheat we may not have thought of. >> > > You do not have to remind me of that. I have to remind *you* that is a > violation of the s

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Mary Yugo wrote: > > >> I consider the Oct. 6 test definitive. >>> >> >> Many capable scientists and engineers do not agree. >> > > I have not heard from any yet. > > You've heard here and elsewhere on the internet. Perhaps you are not list

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Mary Yugo wrote: > > >> There is no need to postulate energy storage in the megawatt plant >> demonstration. It is only necessary to consider that Rossi's client may be >> fictitious and that the engineer may work for Rossi, perhaps for quit

Re: [Vo]:Attenuation of decay rate in E-Cat

If you remember this from the Kim paper: *http://www.physics.purdue.edu/people/faculty/yekim/BECNF-Ni-Hydrogen.pdf* ...local magnetic field is very weak in the surface regions, providing a suitable environment in which two neighboring protons can couple their spins anti-parallel to form spin-zero

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > I agree there may have been some liquid flowing through at times, but > Lewan performed Method 2 after a very large burst of heat, and he found the > flow rate was much lower than the flow rate going into the reactor. > Therefore the reactor w

[Vo]:Bill Gates to build a new nuclear reactor -- with China

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/12/07/bill-gates-to-build-next-gen-nuclear-reactors-with-china/ BEIJING –  Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates confirmed Wednesday he is in discussions with China to jointly develop a new and safer kind of nuclear reactor. "The idea is to be very low cost, very

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 12:38 PM, David Roberson wrote: > > > I have always maintained that I will follow the evidence and have been > faithful to that end. > That is not consistent with your frequently expressed absolute certainty that LENR is occurring. > > Why should we assume that a well trai

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

Mary Yugo wrote: > And I always have to remind you that there are probably many potential > methods to cheat we may not have thought of. > You do not have to remind me of that. I have to remind *you* that is a violation of the scientific method. It is proposition that cannot be tested or falsif

Re: [Vo]:Attenuation of decay rate in E-Cat

The ONLY way that nuclear transactions can proceed smoothly with out producing radiation is under a condition where the range of the strong nuclear force exceeds the range of the coulombic. The static forces are conserved and immutable. The dynamic magnetic components are not conserved and

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

Mary Yugo wrote: > I consider the Oct. 6 test definitive. >> > > Many capable scientists and engineers do not agree. > I have not heard from any yet. There has to be a time limit for these things. As Melich and I wrote regarding cold fusion in general: ". . . [S]keptics have had 20 years to ex

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

Mary Yugo wrote: > I have no idea of the probability that Rossi is honest. I hope he is. > He is not, I assure you. He often dissembles about personal matters. If the truth or falsity of this claim is predicated on his personal honesty, we must dismiss it. Fortunately, it is predicated on imm

Re: [Vo]:Attenuation of decay rate in E-Cat

I speculate… When a compound or transition metal has a high degree of quantum mechanical(QM) proton coherence; large numbers of cooper pairs of protons, radiation reduction will be observed when this coherence is momentarily broken by a trigger event. In a variant of the quantum Zeno effect in wh

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Mary Yugo wrote: > > >> I suspect you will take wild notions like mine more seriously if much >> more time passes without any absolutely definitive determination of Rossi's >> veracity. >> > > I consider the Oct. 6 test definitive. > Many c

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 11:25 AM, David Roberson wrote: > Mary, you are clearly suggesting that this is a scam. > Let me correct the wording -- I am suggesting strongly that it *may be* a scam. I am cautious to allow for the small probability that it is not one and simply looks and feels like on

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Mary Yugo wrote: > > >> I suspect you will take wild notions like mine more seriously if much >> more time passes without any absolutely definitive determination of Rossi's >> veracity. >> > > I consider the Oct. 6 test definitive. The chance

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

Mary Yugo wrote: > I suspect you will take wild notions like mine more seriously if much more > time passes without any absolutely definitive determination of Rossi's > veracity. > I consider the Oct. 6 test definitive. The chance of fraud is so low I do not take that seriously. It is no more l

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

Mary, you are clearly suggesting that this is a scam. Are you that convinced? Where is the possibility that it might be honest? Dave -Original Message- From: Mary Yugo To: vortex-l Sent: Wed, Dec 7, 2011 2:08 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Mary Yugo wrote: > > >> There is no need to postulate energy storage in the megawatt plant >> demonstration. It is only necessary to consider that Rossi's client may be >> fictitious and that the engineer may work for Rossi, perhaps for qui

Re: [Vo]:Mesauremtn of gamma without shielding

Am 07.12.2011 19:59, schrieb Ahsoka Tano: Your sense of morality is not to talk about possible gamma radiation that could kill the observers? All of whom were assured by Rossi that it was safe? Of course it is safe. Look at Rossi & his coworkers. They look healthy. Why discuss something that ob

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

Mary Yugo wrote: > There is no need to postulate energy storage in the megawatt plant > demonstration. It is only necessary to consider that Rossi's client may be > fictitious and that the engineer may work for Rossi, perhaps for quite a > very large fee or share. > In other words, you have to

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 10:38 AM, David Roberson wrote: Are you convinced that the only way for the system to release 470 kW would > be for LENR action to be taking place? Is that your hang-up? Where are > the skeptics that claim that energy is stored for long enough and intense > enough to cont

Re: [Vo]:Celani: gamma spike during ignition of Rossi reactor

Axil Axil wrote: In an experimental series performed by Piantelli, he observed the production of either heat or gamma radiation but not both at the same time, if memory serves. I do not recall that, but that is a very interesting observation. In other words, a burst of gamma rays may be a

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

*This also will be posted to Vortex - Hi Mats, *In theory I suppose he could have removed the flanges and the shielding to show the reactors, but that would probably have taken some time. *Rossi's demos have always emphasized saving time over b

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

Robert Leguillon wrote: This is the same thing that may be happening in the "Ottoman" E-Cat: water gurgling out, and some steam. The assumption of complete vaporization cannot be relied upon, and is actually contradicted by the measurements. This is why your "Method 2" for the October 6th test

Re: [Vo]:Mesauremtn of gamma without shielding

Your sense of morality is not to talk about possible gamma radiation that could kill the observers? All of whom were assured by Rossi that it was safe? On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Peter Heckert wrote: > Am 07.12.2011 16:03, schrieb Jed Rothwell: > > Mattia Rizzi wrote: >> >> No gamma radi

Re: [Vo]:Attenuation of decay rate in E-Cat

Jones Beene wrote: We have to agree with the comments . . . Who's we? You? As Mark Twain put it: "Only kings, presidents, editors, and people with tapeworms have the right to use the editorial 'we.'" that the prior testing clearly indicates that there is no significant radioactivity detec

Re: [Vo]:Domestic LENR steam/electricity front end

I wrote: Despite rapid improvements wind and solar are still cheaper than fossil > fuel, so they will go bankrupt before fossil fuel does. > I mean they are still nominally *more expensive* than fossil fuel, because we do not take into account the cost of pollution or global warming. Terry Blan

Re: [Vo]:Celani: gamma spike during ignition of Rossi reactor

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Joshua Cude wrote: > Means nothing. What scale was it on? Did a hyperthyroid patient (treated > with I-131) walk past? It takes very little to put some meters off-scale. > And yes, some (older) welding rods can easily do it. Many old glazed ceramic > dishes will do

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

I feel that the description of my analysis of the October 6, 2011 test as the work of a Rossi fan boy requires that I respond. Mr. Cude, you should read my analysis before coming to such a conclusion since you seem to think of yourself as open minded and honest in your assessment of the Rossi

Re: [Vo]:Celani: gamma spike during ignition of Rossi reactor

In an experimental series performed by Piantelli, he observed the production of either heat or gamma radiation but not both at the same time, if memory serves. >From the demo of the first one liter Rossi reactor during the time at startup when the lattice was cold, a massive radiation burst appe

Re: [Vo]:Brian Ahern Will Not Be Presenting on December 7, 2011

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Akira Shirakawa wrote: > On 2011-12-07 01:43, Akira Shirakawa wrote: > >> From NextBigFuture: >> >> http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/**12/brian-ahern-will-not-be-** >> presenting-on.html >> >

[Vo]:learn physics watch Walter

* ONE HUNDRED AND THREE LECTURES * You can watch 103 of my lectures (with great demos) on the web, 95 on OpenCourseWare (OCW) and 7 on MITWorld and 1 given at the Tecnical University (TU) in Delft, the Netherlands. Most can also be viewed on YouTube, iT

[Vo]:Attenuation of decay rate in E-Cat

We have to agree with the comments that the prior testing clearly indicates that there is no significant radioactivity detected during operation of E-Cat. One unanswered question relates to startup. Not just startup, but a possible method "after startup" of attenuation of the decay rate to levels

RE: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

Agreed. The picture is an over-simplification; it is dumbed-down to illustrate the very basic tenet of the argument. I think that it is an exceptional illustration to get the basic points across (think Neils Bohr). You're right that it's more than likely gurgling and sputtering, as opposed to

Re: [Vo]:Mesauremtn of gamma without shielding

Am 07.12.2011 16:03, schrieb Jed Rothwell: Mattia Rizzi wrote: No gamma radiation was measured over background. If inside the reactor there was a 10kW gamma source, with a hole in shielding, everybody had died. All these data is inside the Bianchini report, in January. I do not think that c

Re: [Vo]:Domestic LENR steam/electricity front end

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 10:01 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > I grew up using slide rules, and programming mainframe computers and > minicomputers, but I felt no loyalty toward that technology. I have a bamboo Post Versalog leather cased slide rule in my office. Our intern engineers do not know what it

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Robert Leguillon < robert.leguil...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > The steam experts were right in the INITIAL steam discussions. I agree > with you. But they were being asked about steam quality, not water > "overflow." > Krivit raised his questions on steam quality whic

RE: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

God, I hate to address this, but you either: 1) fundamentally misunderstand, 2) are asking the wrong question 3) are willfully ignoring clarification If you don not understand the arguments, you need to look back to the early E-Cats, where the question first arose. The steam experts were rig

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Here is another comment from Mats Lewan > > As for energy storing I believe that has been clearly shown not to be a > possible explanation in itself.You simply would need an additional heat > source inside to have water boiling after 4 hours w

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