I agree.
reality is far from conspiracy theory and devilish organizations (like
exxon/green/red/cia/binladen - choose your devil)
weaknesses, stupidity, selfish unorganized interests, cowardliness, short
sight, do lead the world.
the most dangerous is belief and goodwill, that you find in NGO
I searched a little bit online. I can find some websites claiming that
the Ecat was delivered to the customer. However I am not capable of
finding a statement from Rossi where he says that the plant had been
delivered to the customer. Just that the customer is happy and so on...
Wolf
I
This is what I said
earlier. I don't recall Rossi ever saying that the container was
shipped. The seems to have been assumed once Rossi said the
customer was happy and the plant was sold.
On 19/01/12 08:44, Wolf Fischer wrote:
I searched a
So the customer who supposedly bought the blue problem was happy but didn't
accept delivery due to something needing to be fixed or tidied up? No way.
Many things about Rossi are hard to believe but probably the most preposterous
idea of them all is the notion that there is a customer who
EL,
Rossi has stated the plant was shipped and installed in the customers US
location and that he attended to do the install.
AG
On 19/01/2012 7:17 PM, Energy Liberator wrote:
This is what I said earlier. I don't recall Rossi ever saying that the
container was shipped. The seems to have
AG,
Can you give us a link where he said that? I can't find any except for
some websites (not directly related to Rossi) which say so.
Wolf
EL,
Rossi has stated the plant was shipped and installed in the customers
US location and that he attended to do the install.
AG
On 19/01/2012
EL,
The plant has not moved, despite what has been said. The images confirm
that.
AG
On 19/01/2012 6:08 PM, Energy Liberator wrote:
Jones
Isn't it possible that the US customer's facility is in Italy? If the
customer is military, as speculated to be, then it's possible that they
are using
AG, will you still do business with AR considering that he lie about
shipping something really big whereas it hasn't moved at all.
2012/1/19 Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com
EL,
The plant has not moved, despite what has been said. The images confirm
that.
AG
On 19/01/2012 6:08
EL,
Rossi stated the plant did ship to his US customer and he attended to do
the install.
AG
On 19/01/2012 5:45 PM, Energy Liberator wrote:
Perhaps the original 1MW plant never shipped to the customer's location
as the customer wanted it fixed before shipping, i.e. the leaking
gaskets, the
Robert,
Gotta admit, from what Rossi has stated, the Jan 12 image may be from
Jan 12, despite the stained floor no longer being stained.
Note the tubing that connected the water supply to the pumps is seen
lying at the left side and parallel to the BBB. It even has the aluminum
duck tape on
AG
I agree that the plant was not moved. I was referring to Jones'
comment on how could Rossi supposedly be at the customer's
facility in the US the afternoon before the interview. If the
customer's facility is in Italy then that would not be difficult.
Daniel,
It is about the product. Leonardo Corp needs to show me a product that I
can sell. That means they need to show QUALITY, certification of the
product and certification of the manufacturing plant.
Product certification means nothing if the manufacturing facility has
not been
That stains on the floor could be water (or another fluid) which
evaporated leaving no stain. Admittedly they look dark for water but may
be a product of the exposure. So I don't think it's conclusive.
On 19/01/12 03:24, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote:
Daniel,
Try this image of the non and stained
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 1:58 AM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Could you indulge me by revealing exactly what indications there are that AR
has anything whatever to do with the US or any other military and is being
funded by military groups, other than that the probable shill he put up
But was it actually Rossi
that said that or was it interpreted as that by a reporter,
blogger, or some other party? I find that so much gets misinterpreted and
misreported due to reports not always originating from original
sources that it's difficult to keep
I haven't been able to find any place where Rossi said that the 1MW plant
was taken away by the customer. Nor can I find anywhere where he states
that the unit was going to the USA. All he has confirmed publicly, as far
as I can gather, is that it was a military entity who made the purchase.
Since
Wolf,
On 30 Oct 2011, Andrea Rossi said the 1 MW plant had been shipped to the
customer and he was building the next 1 MW plant in a new container.
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=27#comment-106637
Andrea Rossi
October 30th, 2011 at 2:15 PM
Dear Luke Mortensen:
1- yes
Good find, AG. Thanks for the correction.
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 6:56 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote:
Wolf,
On 30 Oct 2011, Andrea Rossi said the 1 MW plant had been shipped to the
customer and he was building the next 1 MW plant in a new container.
Thanks for searching and clarifying that. So he lied, plain and simple.
Someone should confront him with his earlier statements, although this
is probably useless...
Wolf
Wolf,
On 30 Oct 2011, Andrea Rossi said the 1 MW plant had been shipped to
the customer and he was building the next 1
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=27#comment-106637
AG
On 19/01/2012 11:21 PM, Frank Acland wrote:
I haven't been able to find any place where Rossi said that the 1MW
plant was taken away by the customer. Nor can I find anywhere where he
states that the unit was going to
OK, I can't argue with
that.
On 19/01/12 12:56, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote:
Wolf,
On 30 Oct 2011, Andrea Rossi said the 1 MW plant had been shipped
to the customer and he was building the next 1 MW plant in a new
container.
English is not my native language, but I think (only) when interpreted
very liberally, gone can be interpreted as sold. (like in: going...
going... gone).
Andre Blum
On 01/19/2012 08:56 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote:
Wolf,
On 30 Oct 2011, Andrea Rossi said the 1 MW plant had been shipped to
EL,
There are other similar dark stains on the floor that did not evaporate.
AG
On 19/01/2012 10:56 PM, Energy Liberator wrote:
That stains on the floor could be water (or another fluid) which
evaporated leaving no stain. Admittedly they look dark for water but may
be a product of the
Is there only 1 container? If he has orders for multiple units how do we
know that the unit in the video is the only one or is the one intended for
the customer and not some development test bed/prototype?
-Original Message-
From: Aussie Guy E-Cat [mailto:aussieguy.e...@gmail.com]
This was my point earlier.
Many things can be misunderstood or misinterpreted because of
Rossi's use and understanding of English. I deal with a lot of
foreign people in English and am used to how they phrase things in
English or their understanding of English.
The issue is:
Rossi says the plant is gone (shipped).
Rossi says he is attending the customer's US site to do the install.
Rossi say he is working with the customer and NI and is making amazing
progress.
Rossi says it has not been returned by the customer.
A video from 12 Jan
I agree. It does look as
though Rossi is being contradictive in his statements. Maybe we
should just ask him directly. I bet ecat.com didn't post
that interview now. Look at the can of worms it's opened.
On 19/01/12 13:09, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote:
The
Wolf,
I have a VERY good memory. Almost pictorial. I know what I have read and
heard. It may take me some time to find it but I will find it.
AG
On 19/01/2012 11:30 PM, Wolf Fischer wrote:
Thanks for searching and clarifying that. So he lied, plain and simple.
Someone should confront him
Andre,
Question:
Is the container gone?
Answer:
Yes.
Can't be much simpler than that.
AG
On 19/01/2012 11:31 PM, andre_vor...@blums.nl wrote:
English is not my native language, but I think (only) when interpreted
very liberally, gone can be interpreted as sold. (like in: going...
going...
EL,
Work on it?
How?
Nothing is there to test it under load. How can you test for leaks with
no water circulation system in place and no heat load to generate steam
and increase the pressure?
I'm just an engineer, so I may be wrong but I don't think so.
AG
On 19/01/2012 11:38 PM, Energy
EL,
Look I still believe the E-Cat is a workable FPE device. BUT it needs a
LOT of work by good engineers. I don't see that happening as Rossi
appears to be holding the IP VERY close to his chest. This product needs
a really good team of experienced development engineers. Not just NI.
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm just an engineer, so I may be wrong but I don't think so.
Hey, hey, hey . !
T
Andre,
Question:
Is the container gone?
Answer:
Yes.
Can't be much simpler than that.
Maybe the container in the video and picture is a demo, like the
ones in car showrooms. The one the customer actually buys is the
one from the lot or the one being manufactured that is shipped in
a
Keep in mind that Rossi was probably not aware of a very thorough
discussion (including photoshop analysis, etc,) about this footage of
the BBB, concentrating around the question whether it had ever moved a
single millimeter. He just received a very simple question:
/1. Italo R. January 18th,
Terry,
This is like an experiment. All the data shows the expected result. Then
you get a set of data that calls all the other data into question.
Do you then:
1) Throw it out, claiming it is just noise?
2) Say WTF and investigate?
I'm a #2 kind of guy. But then just maybe that is why I'm
I think, this is actually one of the better explanations pro Rossi so
far that I have heard of... Then the question remains where he did build
the other 1MW cats..? In the US directly? And the more general question
to me is, why he has a place in Italy at all if he is seemingly doing
most the
I'd add
(5) In Rossi's English Yes means NO
2012/1/19 Andre Blum andre_vor...@blums.nl
Keep in mind that Rossi was probably not aware of a very thorough
discussion (including photoshop analysis, etc,) about this footage of the
BBB, concentrating around the question whether it had ever moved
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote:
I like noise as that is where all the interesting stuff lives.
Just don't be demeaning engineers. Just an engineer . . really!
We are Yaldabaoth!
:-)
T
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:09 AM, Andrea Selva
andreagiuseppe.se...@gmail.com wrote:
I'd add
(5) In Rossi's English Yes means NO
I hope he doesn't have any daughters.
T
And I wonder why he does't miss any smallest opportunity to show his
Bologna workshop to whoever walks down the street but nobody on the earth
has never seen a single square feet of his factories in the US ?
2012/1/19 Wolf Fischer wolffisc...@gmx.de
I think, this is actually one of the better
AG
If he is working on fixing leaking gaskets then he doesn't need the
whole plant working so perhaps they are using the unit on the table for
stress testing. Likewise NI may not require the whole plant working to
do their work.
There is also the possibility that this unit is only a test
FYI, I just queued to following question for moderation on JONP:
Dear Mr Rossi,
Following some discussion on vortex-l about the jan 12 interview on
youtube, where it seems to show the 1 MW container in exactly the same
spot as on the 28th of October:
(1) Is that recent footage? Is the
I believe this is probably the most likely case.
On 19/01/12 13:58, Vorl Bek wrote:
Maybe the container in the video and picture is a demo, like the
ones in car showrooms. The one the customer actually buys is the
one from the lot or the one being manufactured that is shipped in
a week later.
The problem it is that he said THAT container with its contents were sold.
Or so, that's what I understood.
2012/1/19 Energy Liberator energylibera...@gmail.com
AG
If he is working on fixing leaking gaskets then he doesn't need the whole
plant working so perhaps they are using the unit on
I still don't think that was spelled out clear enough to ensure an non
ambiguous answer.
You didn't specifically ask if that was the container that he is working
on for the customer with NI. It's possible that the footage is recent,
the container was the one from the test and is still there
I also filled in the enquiry form on ecat.com with the question whether
they used old footage in the video, or if the container was still there
when they filmed.
I clearly referred to the discussion on vortex and the issue about the
container's position.
On 01/19/2012 10:25 AM, Energy
EL,
No that is not correct.
Rossi clearly said that the unit we saw in the 28 Oct demo had been
shipped (it was gone) and he had attended the customers site to install it.
He stated he was building a new plant in a new container.
AG
On 20/01/2012 12:50 AM, Energy Liberator wrote:
I
EL,
Rossi has already stated the BBB in the video is the same unit as in the
28 Oct video. We know it has not moved despite Rossi saying YES to the
question WAS IT GONE.
AG
On 20/01/2012 12:55 AM, Energy Liberator wrote:
I still don't think that was spelled out clear enough to ensure an
Daniel,
It is also obvious that there are no E-Cats heating that facility in
Italy. You may ask is heating needed in a Florida E-Cat manufacturing plant?
There are no coolant circulation systems nor heat exchangers attached to
the 12 Jan imaged BBB. How can there be any testing of the BBB in
Daniel,
Rossi said the 28 Oct BBB was shipped to the customer. We now know it
was not shipped nor was the BBB gone as he also claimed.
AG
On 20/01/2012 12:52 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote:
The problem it is that he said THAT container with its contents were
sold. Or so, that's what I understood.
So, just tell me, at least the 1MW models is a fake story? Not talking
about the technology, just specifically about the 1MW unit. Because, if
that is a fake, it's hard to believe in any other 1MW since these was a
kind of fundamental prototype.
2012/1/19 Aussie Guy E-Cat
Rossi would make a good politician...
While I am not defending Rossi, it is standard to have a factory
acceptance test before shipping a large, expensive unit. It is also
typical to have a payment tied to a satisfactory result from that
acceptance test. It is also typical to have a punch list
AG,
Not that it changes anything, but why do you expect the facility to be
heated by the e-cat? Rossi said that the facility that he was heating
with the e-cat was sold to raise funds to take this project further.
What is clear is that we just don't know what is going on. I hope Rossi
EL,
Yup. The BBB never moved, was never gone, was never shipped, was never
returned, is not currently operational and is not in testing despite
what Rossi has claimed.
Also that facility is not heated with an E-Cat.
Is there another facility that is making fully functional E-Cat, has a
A barrel of Lies plus a spoon of Truth =
s barrel of Lies.
A barrel of Truth plus a spoon of Lies =
a barrel of Lies.
Rossi is constantly delivering low quality, unreliable, unverifiable
information and it is
a waste of time to try to extract the truth of it.
Everything is possible, even the
This discussion about Rossi's 1 MW reactor is silly. The reactor has not
shipped anywhere. He said it has not shipped, and it is obvious from the
photos it has not.
Previously he said he did ship it. Now he says he did not. He is
contradicting himself. He often does that. I would not call it a
Here is the scenario that best fits all the facts:
(1) the container was shipped to a customer in the USA
(2) the container wasn't returned to Bologna, per se.
(3) the footage in the 12 Jan YT video was older footage
(4) the container did not work to the customer's specifications
(5) the
EL,
My curse is I remember just about everything I see and hear. Sometimes
that ability has saved my a$$.
Rossi has recently stated the E-Cat facilities and the homes of his
employees are heated with E-Cats.
AG
On 20/01/2012 1:27 AM, Energy Liberator wrote:
AG,
Not that it changes
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Has this systemic problem of quiescence been solved?
As far as I know, there is no such problem. Both Rossi's devices and
Defkalion's have run for weeks uninterrupted.
What makes you think there is a problem?
There is problem making the thing run in
I emailed Andrea Rossi this morning about this issue and recieved the
following supply:
Of course there has been a misunderstanding due to my bad translation.
The 1 MW plant has been accepted and sold ( hence gone) but it remained
in our factory of Bologna for fixings and for National
Daniel,
I believe the data I have seen. There is a real product. It works.
As an engineer, I believe there is still a LOT of engineer time, money
and effort needed to make this a reliable and certifiable product,
produced in a ISO 9001/2008 and product certified manufacturing facility
that
Frank,
Thanks for the info! Just for verification: When did you write Rossi the
Mail and when was has this same interpretation been posted here on
vortex? There was a user which thought of the same interpretation...
Wolf
I emailed Andrea Rossi this morning about this issue and recieved the
This is one reason I focus on promoting Excess Heat: Why Cold Fusion
Research Prevailed by Charles Beaudette.
My own interest in cold fusion was curtailed by my attempt to get a project
going at the Roselle Street offices of Science Applications International
Jones,
The BBB was not shipped.
Rossi's statement that it was shipped to the customer was not correct.
Your statement that it was returned by the customer is also not correct.
Jones please stop making up false and misleading statement that either
you are making up or your source is making up.
Jed,
I agree with most of what you say. Please remember Rossi also claimed he
received a Chemical Engineering degree from a mail-order university
shutdown later for fraud that required students to read magazines to get
your degree. So I am not sure he really is an engineer.
Rossi wrote:
Of course there has been a misunderstanding due to my bad translation.
The 1 MW plant has been accepted and sold ( hence gone) but it remained
in our factory of Bologna for fixings and for National Instruments
improvements of the control systems.
It is actually plausible that
Terry,
Yup. Too right.
We design / make the stuff that distances us from the cave. Everything
else is just support infrastructure.
Engineers rule. We built this world.
If you don't think so, burn you house, all your possessions / assets
into ash and take a drug to wipe your memory. Then
I wrote just this morning. It was 7:17 a.m. US central time.
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Wolf Fischer wolffisc...@gmx.de wrote:
Frank,
Thanks for the info! Just for verification: When did you write Rossi the
Mail and when was has this same interpretation been posted here on vortex?
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote:
All we need is ONE photograph of another E-Cat on a production.
He has to solve the eCat-napping problem before he can proceed. It
might require another geometry change.
Pity he can't hire those scientists from
Jed,
Please don't try to rewrite history as other will now tear this
fabricated story apart. The internet has a very good memory and Rossi
has enemies.
Rossi said he was attending the US customer's site, to assist with the
install and commissioning. As we now know, that never happened as
As far as I am correct, you should have received the mail from
andre_vortex at about 8:01 a.m. US central time. When did Rossi answer?
But perhaps this is just too paranoid from my side and just not worth
the thought...
Wolf
I wrote just this morning. It was 7:17 a.m. US central time.
Whilst that confirms that
the plant never left the facility, seeing the facility so empty
and devoid of activity certainly doesn't look like a there is much
research, or optimisation work going on with NI or any other
partner engineers. Of course it is possible
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
If that is all I had to do to become a licensed engineer or other
professional, then I would also be a doctor and a professional athlete since
I read sports illustrated and medical journals.
Little more is required
Terry,
DFG has shown NOTHING. When they do their first public demo, like Rossi
has done a dozen times, and not post some report from a private lab
somewhere, I'll start to look at their claims.
At the moment they want 30 million Euro up front to make a max 300k
Hyperions a year. Not from
AG: How do you know it was not shipped?
-Original Message-
From: Aussie Guy E-Cat
Jones,
The BBB was not shipped.
OK - so Rossi, having been caught in several mistranslations is now saying
that that the BBB never left Bologna ... and the fanboys are happy once
again?
What a crock ...
From: Frank Acland
I emailed Andrea Rossi this morning about this issue and received the
following reply:
Of course
Jones,
I have my sources. Horses mouth sort of sources. 100% accurate.
AG
On 20/01/2012 2:28 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
AG: How do you know it was not shipped?
-Original Message-
From: Aussie Guy E-Cat
Jones,
The BBB was not shipped.
Gotta like this guy. Go Terry Go.
AG
On 20/01/2012 2:25 AM, Terry Blanton wrote:
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Chemical Engineercheme...@gmail.com wrote:
If that is all I had to do to become a licensed engineer or other
professional, then I would also be a doctor and a professional
I wonder if Rossi would allow someone to come in and see/photograph the state
of his warehouse today? That might clear up a lot of confusion.
John
I am confused about you attitude. Why do you want independent tests if the
thing is real, at least for you?
2012/1/19 Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com
Jones,
I have my sources. Horses mouth sort of sources. 100% accurate.
AG
On 20/01/2012 2:28 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
AG: How
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
If that is all I had to do to become a licensed engineer or other
professional, then I would also be a doctor and a professional athlete
since
I read sports illustrated and medical journals.
Little more is required to earn a Nobel Peace Prize.
Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
I agree with most of what you say. Please remember Rossi also claimed he
received a Chemical Engineering degree from a mail-order university
That is incorrect. He has an engineering degree from a legit university,
and a fake PhD from a mail order
Jones,
WTF?
You think I'm a happy camper?
My board will hang me out to dry, after kicking my ass so much my nose
bleeds.
That said I still believe the E-Cat data I have seen.
It works.
It needs work before it can be sold in a litigious world.
Simple as that.
AG
On 20/01/2012 2:34 AM, Jones
And yet, you insist that he COULDN'T have confused and outwitted the people
attending his demonstrations?
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from
AG
I disagree.Builders are the Kings
Builders \Carpenters have been building the houses for 1000s of years , the
tables , the chairs , the boats
Noah was a Builder , JC was a builder
Engineers have really only been around 300 years or less
The engineers I know just push
This is absolutely hilarious. ROTFL
This Aussie guy whose real name he refuses to divulge - has been flooding
this forum with BS crap from Rossi for months.
Now he suddenly has an inside line to the horse's mouth and wants everyone
to forget the disinformation he has been spreading in the past.
Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote:
Please don't try to rewrite history as other will now tear this fabricated
story apart.
He has fabricated dozens of stories! You can't rewrite history with Rossi
because no one ever knows what is true in the first place.
The internet has a
Daniel,
At the moment Rossi's opponents will clean up the floor with what he has
said. The only thing that will save Rossi and the E-Cat is to say
Company XYZ will be doing a 1 week public trial and test of the latest
E-Cat module. All the data, testing equipment and test protocols will be
Rossi's best contribution so far has been the tabloid like attention he has
brought to the field and I credit him with that. He has yet to reduce the
CO2 emissions of the planet and primarily increased it with his hot air...
I am sure you won't mind having your next surgery done by a mail order
In 1974 Billy Preston predicted the rise of Andrea Rossi Nothing
from Nothing leaves Nothing while we all search for something...
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com
wrote:
Daniel,
At the moment Rossi's opponents will clean up the floor with
Jed,
This is more than chaos. He has buried himself. How can anybody believe
a word of what he says anymore?
He did not ship the plant.
The plant is not in test by anybody.
There is no NI control system hooked to that plant.
The plant is not operational.
There is no circulation system or
What about you and your secret sources?
2012/1/19 Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com
Daniel,
At the moment Rossi's opponents will clean up the floor with what he has
said. The only thing that will save Rossi and the E-Cat is to say
Company XYZ will be doing a 1 week public trial and
Jones,
What is crap was the statement you made about the plant being returned
by the customer. Just made it up did you? Every part of that statement
is now seen to be imaginary.
The only nonsense is coming from you.
AG
On 20/01/2012 2:49 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
This is absolutely
Hello Aussie Guy
How are your smots and SunCubes going these days?
Hi Friends
I was one of the individuals that Bought and Paid
for a SMOT unit from Greg Watson I never received
it ... Greg Watson wrote: Hi Randy, You need to checkout the site I have
created which has
ample proof that the
From AG:
Jed,
This is more than chaos. He has buried himself. How can anybody believe a
word of what he says anymore?
He did not ship the plant.
The plant is not in test by anybody.
There is no NI control system hooked to that plant.
The plant is not operational.
There is no
Peter,
Good engineers are builders. I get more grease under my nails, bruises
and burns than my maintenance guys do. Good engineers lead by example
and lead from the front.
Sure I sometimes use my gut feelings but that feeling has been through a
tough learning curve. I trust it as do others
And yet, you insist that he COULDN'T have confused and outwitted the people
attending his demonstrations?
Good point John. who on earth has Rossi outwitted, except these people (and
the US taxpayers, in the TEG work a few years back) ?
Certainly not DGT ! They played Rossi like a drum .
Steven,
It is almost 4am here. Time for me to chill out and get some sleep.
AG
On 20/01/2012 3:10 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:
From AG:
Jed,
This is more than chaos. He has buried himself. How can anybody believe a
word of what he says anymore?
He did not ship the plant.
So Aussie Guy is Greg Watson?
No wonder he does not want his name known on this forum.
Eff - How did you find this out?
From: Eff Wivakeef
Hello Aussie Guy
How are your smots and SunCubes going these days?
Hi Friends
I was one of the individuals that Bought and Paid
for a
Greg Watson aka Aussie Guy
It is time for you to stop pulling your pudding!
From: Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, 19 January 2012 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com
Steven,
It is
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