Re: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update
This feedback current is an integral part of the Papp reaction. All successful Papp implementations demonstrate current feedback. Conversely, IMO, this occurrence of the feedback demonstrates a successful Papp reaction. Russ has not installed the coils and the RF yet, or has he optimized the spark. I expect a good deal of progress going forward. On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 1:55 AM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: ** I thought so. But why are you conflating the Russ feedback with Papp's original engine? Did Papp get a feedback similar to Russ' and did he feed that to his second cylinder? Did Papp use hydrogen? which Russ seems to have discovered is the gas that causes feedback. Russ never got his noble gas mixture to create feedback that caused his diodes to blow. I think it would help if people are more careful to not conflate various anecdotal evidence. I'm all for the success and/or reality of the Papp engine, but it is not helpful to our credibility if we start playing loose with our evidence, especially evidence that is anecdotal. As for the patent, we don't really know how it was evaluated. Maybe, the examiner got caught up with the noble gas novelty also that he got distracted. You can't really say the patent process is foolproof. Just peruse the hundreds of overunity inventions that were granted patents. Jojo - Original Message - *From:* Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Sunday, September 30, 2012 1:34 PM *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update I said ...Papp engine self-powered I was talking about the Papp engine. This info is in his patent. This was the reson why the Papp engine exploded in the finemen incident when the power to the controls was removed. Papp would not have been issued a patent unless the engine worked. On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 1:14 AM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: ** How did you come to this conclusion? Have I missed a video that Russ powered a second opposing cylinder from the feedback of the first? Are you referring to some other papper engine built by somebody else? I think you may be guilty again of conflating anecdotal evidence from various videos to come to the wrong conclusion. But, I would be very much happier if I am wrong. That would only mean we can free ourselves from raghead slavery. So, please correct me. Jojo - Original Message - *From:* Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Sunday, September 30, 2012 12:58 PM *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update One point about the energy balance that you have not considered is the amount of energy contained in the feedback current that Russ is seeing when the plasma is relaxing. This current jumped an air gap, blew out all his high powered diodes along with his neon light. This feedback current was strong enough to power the alternate cylinder in a two cylinder configuration making the Papp engine self-powered after the initial startup excitation. Cheers:Axil On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 12:37 AM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: ** Axil, Russ delivers 1000 joules of energy per spark with his high voltage and huge capacitor banks. If he does this at a continuous rate of 1 spark per second, that would be 1000 Watts of energy delivered/inputted into his papper cylinder. It seems to me that the piston jump of 6 inches with a light weight piston DOES NOT equate to 1000 Watts of power. This does not look like it is overunity. This appears to be just ordinary thermodynamic expansion of the gas due to inputted energy. Nothing appears to be special here. Now, I am willing to be wrong. I do not have the time nor the inclination to watch all his videos from 1 to 11. I watch 9 and 11 partially. In his other videos, did he mention how much the weight of his piston is? If he did, maybe you can calculate the amount of work performed on the piston with a 6 inch travel upwards. This would probably be around 10%-20% efficiency, which would totally be consistent with a thermodynamic expansion cycle of a compressed gas. Seems to me this is nothing more than an internal combustion engine, with the spark providing the raw energy for gas expansion. Funny, but Papp may have found a clever and magician trick way of running an internal combustion engine making it appear to be overunity. With the process appearing to work with normal air, and now hydrogen, the noble gas mixture may just have been a convenient and effective magician's sleight of hand technique to divert attention from his engine just being an ordinary Internal Combustion Engine. Everybody was focusing on the novelty of using a certain magic formula of noble gases that nobody bothered to check the energy balance. I believe this is what happened. Jojo - Original Message - *From:* Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:*
Re: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update
The Papp engine is a pseudo-physical vehicle to test the mental sanity of believers from an/my outside point-of--view. The capacity to believe -in the US- is an order of magnitude higher than over here -Central/Northern Europe. We get our pile of dirt thrown at us because of this incapacity. Well. Be it so. I 'believe' in LENR on a commercializable scale in some medium-term future, but not in ZPE. So what church are You attending to, to believe that (Papp)? The California gold-fever of 1849? Mormons? Ku-Klux-Clan? Scientology? The Anything-goes-society? I feel offended by all those quacks, who equally 'believe' in Papp as well as LENR, which are -to me- completely different domains. Which is somehow understandable, considering twisted minds, because a basic incapacity to recognize shades, makes all cattle black/white. LENR=PAPP=ZPE. This is not so! Guenter Von: Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 7:55 Sonntag, 30.September 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update I think it would help if people are more careful to not conflate various anecdotal evidence. I'm all for the success and/or reality of the Papp engine, but it is not helpful to our credibility if we start playing loose with our evidence, especially evidence that is anecdotal. Jojo
Re: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update
Guenter, is it your opinion that Russ is one of those credulous Americans who believes in the Papp engine? On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 7:00 AM, Guenter Wildgruber gwildgru...@ymail.com wrote: The Papp engine is a pseudo-physical vehicle to test the mental sanity of believers from an/my outside point-of--view. The capacity to believe -in the US- is an order of magnitude higher than over here -Central/Northern Europe. We get our pile of dirt thrown at us because of this incapacity. Well. Be it so. I 'believe' in LENR on a commercializable scale in some medium-term future, but not in ZPE. So what church are You attending to, to believe that (Papp)? The California gold-fever of 1849? Mormons? Ku-Klux-Clan? Scientology? The Anything-goes-society? I feel offended by all those quacks, who equally 'believe' in Papp as well as LENR, which are -to me- completely different domains. Which is somehow understandable, considering twisted minds, because a basic incapacity to recognize shades, makes all cattle black/white. LENR=PAPP=ZPE. This is not so! Guenter Von: Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 7:55 Sonntag, 30.September 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update I think it would help if people are more careful to not conflate various anecdotal evidence. I'm all for the success and/or reality of the Papp engine, but it is not helpful to our credibility if we start playing loose with our evidence, especially evidence that is anecdotal. Jojo
[Vo]:Magnons, excess heat and ferromagnetism
In 2008, research in spintronics focused onto with what is being called a spin Seebeck effect. The effect is seen when heat is applied to a magnetized metal and it may operate with other inherent phase changes to produce novel thermal-magnetic effects. The key concept is the magnon. Unlike ordinary electron movement, the spin Seebeck effect does not create heat as a waste product, so that a Curie point can be maintained in a see-saw fashion, along with other inputs. Interesting new paper touching on the spin Seebeck effect and the magnon connection. It is not exactly on point for Ni-H, but there are clues; and the references at the end are worth the download. http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1209/1209.3405.pdf Imagine the magnon as the quantum force carrier of spin, in the same way as the photon is the quantum of light. Admittedly, this analogy quickly breaks down in the details since the magnon is a quasiparticle; but for understanding the major point about the transfer of spin energy from one nucleus to another, there is more. Photons can illuminate a photocell and produce electricity, in the sense of forcing electrons into a vector, and correspondingly, magnons can irradiate a ferromagnetic material to produce heat to the extent that they alternate polarity rapidly by spin reversals. Reversals happen repeatedly near the Curie point. When a magnetic field reverses its orientation, electric dipoles of atoms shift orientation - and as a result thermal energy is deposited. Even the core of a small wall-transformer, when charging your cell phone with a few watts, gets rather hot from dipole reversal. In general the higher the frequency of dipole reversal - the more heat is deposited and it is exponential. 50 or 60 Hertz gives moderate core heating, but RF gives so much heat that it is the preferred method of rapidly heating some metals without direct electrical current (Ohmic heat). UV is thousands of times more robust than RF. Hydrogen is a prime UV emitter. This could be the best way to understand how thermal gain in Ni-H or Co-H operates - via magnon emission from protons (following reversible proton fusion). Magnon emission can decay with no heat transfer unless collected in an absorber of magnons, preferably one that magnifies the effect in the same general way that iron magnifies field reversals in a typical transformer. In a normal paramagnetic metal like palladium, dipoles move independently from each other but they tend to orient in a magnetic field so as to increase the field strength, to the extent of their magnetic susceptibility. Magnetic susceptibility (magnetizability is a term that could be used) is a dimensionless proportionality constant. Hydrogen in pure palladium does not produce much excess heat, and this means it can be used as a control for proving deuterium gain. The difference in susceptibility between paramagnets and ferromagnets varies, but as a ratio of the magnification effect of 40,000:1 would be a fair approximation for why nickel works to capture magnons effectively, and palladium doesn't. Thusly, when hydrogen is loaded into a ferromagnetic material like nickel or cobalt, it can produce excess heating in those matrices, under conditions which in palladium produce nothing. This should tell the keen observer that there is a fundamental difference between Ni-H and Pd-D systems in the way gain materializes. The two are almost unrelated in terms of modus operandi, other than being isotopes of the same element In ferromagnetics, dipoles orient so as to increase the field, but those dipoles are not independent from each other as in paramagnets. They are self-sensitive. If dipoles are initially oriented at random, all adjacent dipoles will preferentially orient parallel to any change, with the slightest inducement. This magnifies the effect by the large factor mentioned above. When a mass of ferromagnetic material is brought near a source of randomly emitted magnons, almost all the dipoles in the ferromagnet will orient in the direction of the instant field of every magnon. Hence a ferromagnet, as a target for a quantum unit of spin can enormously increase the effect of magnon release. Also, as a known upper temperature is reached, the Curie point, the ferromagnet will become an ordinary paramagnet. That permits another way to vary the orientation of dipoles. The interesting thing for understanding new hydrogen thermal gain - is the range around the Curie point. It is no coincidence that the trigger temperature in Ni-H should be related (identical) to the Curie point in the alloy being employed. Jones attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update
In other words, Krytron technology. On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: To optimize gas performance, I recommend a spark rise time under 50 nanoseconds with a very short duration to produce the most powerful explosive and forceful expansion of the gas.
RE: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update
Unless both Papp and the Rohners are engaging in disinformation... both are telling us to use what doesn't work, and even specifically saying that H doesn't work when in fact is the only gas that does work. -mi _ From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 3:02 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update It's not exactly a proof of principle - and in fact it is closer to a disproof of principle. He gets little to no effect from the Noble gas mixture, but gets an interesting effect from hydrogen. It is probably a hydrino effect. The violet color is indicative of UV emission, which is the signature of the Mill's f/H reaction. Papp says over and over that he does not use hydrogen in his mix, and the Rohner's agree. Therefore since hydrogen gives a rather strong effect, and the Nobel gas mix gives almost none, by comparison, this amounts to a rather compelling disproof of principle for Papp and/or a putative NGE. Jones From: Axil Axil https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBWiWftGknIlist=UULuDKTNDFfat7iO7KGE7fQAin dex=1feature=plcp attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update
Observing all the trouble Papp went to during the fueling of his engine, it is rather difficult to believe that the noble gas was a mere stage prop. See: http://inteligentry.com/shared/PappW/4-Fueling.mp4 On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 11:37 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: ** Funny, but Papp may have found a clever and magician trick way of running an internal combustion engine making it appear to be overunity. With the process appearing to work with normal air, and now hydrogen, the noble gas mixture may just have been a convenient and effective magician's sleight of hand technique to divert attention from his engine just being an ordinary Internal Combustion Engine. Everybody was focusing on the novelty of using a certain magic formula of noble gases that nobody bothered to check the energy balance. I believe this is what happened.
RE: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update
I think James could be correct that the choice of noble gases is NOT a stage prop. However, and once again - keep in mind that Papp used radium as his prime energy source, and his patent makes this clear... the noble gases he used could have been important but ancillary in a surprising way. Papp's original IP is entitled: Method Means of Converting Atomic Energy Into Utilizable Kinetic Energy. The Rohner's and other scammers who came along later have clearer wanted to dodge this all-important issue of nuclear power, because they cannot legally obtain radium, which is probably the sine qua non for a working Papp engine. They cannot work without it. The most interesting detail, for real science - is why Papp used this particular mix instead of hydrogen. It probably was important and NOT a stage prop, as mentioned. This rationale could actually involve a real discovery by him - and it could related to gas interaction with an alpha emitter. That would be especially true of helium - which is the bulk of the mix, and is essentially a neutralized alpha. In short, the real discovery of Papp, unbeknownst to even himself, could relate to quantum correlation fields and entanglement. Here is my favorite citation for wisdom from comic books http://marvel.wikia.com/Probability_field and it is strangely apropos for fringe inventor and his 300 mph submarine. Jones From: James Bowery Observing all the trouble Papp went to during the fueling of his engine, it is rather difficult to believe that the noble gas was a mere stage prop. See: http://inteligentry.com/shared/PappW/4-Fueling.mp4 Jojo Jaro wrote: Funny, but Papp may have found a clever and magician trick way of running an internal combustion engine making it appear to be overunity. With the process appearing to work with normal air, and now hydrogen, the noble gas mixture may just have been a convenient and effective magician's sleight of hand technique to divert attention from his engine just being an ordinary Internal Combustion Engine. Everybody was focusing on the novelty of using a certain magic formula of noble gases that nobody bothered to check the energy balance. I believe this is what happened. attachment: winmail.dat
[Vo]:Video: Iraj Parchamazad on LENR with Zeolites
I edited an under-23-minute video of Dr. Iraj Parchamazad Chemistry Chairman of University of LaVerne talking about his research into anomalous heat reactions using nano-palladium loaded zeolites exposed to deuterium gas. http://coldfusionnow.org/iraj-parchamazad-lenr-with-zeolites/ Enjoy! -- Ruby Carat United States 1-707-616-4894 Skype ruby-carat www.coldfusionnow.org http://www.coldfusionnow.org
Re: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update
Radiation is just some hand waving that Papp used to confuse and eventually kill off the competition. I had a belief that hydrogen fusion was going on until yesterday. But when I watched Video #11, I got the feeling that a shock wave was involved. Russ increased the voltage(energy) of his spark and he got a bigger pop. Also hydrogen fusion is very hard to do. The Casmir force might be amplifying the speed and power of the shock wave as it goes through the hydrogen. This sort of thing is what LeClair says keeps his water crystal pushing through metals for meters. The van der Waals force also known as the Casmir force may well be where the pop is coming from. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casmir_Effect Where the Casmir force gets its power from, I do not know. Some say that it is derived from the strong force which holds our universe together, or from virtual particles which over time can destroy black holes, or from zero pint energy. But if a shockwave is the active agent is the Papp reaction, the bigger and more powerful the wave, the better. To get a better shockwave, we are interested in Pulsed power. Pulse power is the science and technology of accumulating energy over a relatively long period of time and releasing it very quickly, thus increasing the instantaneous power. Steady accumulation of energy followed by its rapid release can result in the delivery of a larger amount of instantaneous power over a shorter period of time (although the total energy is the same). For example, if one joule of energy is stored within a capacitor and then evenly released to a load over one second, the peak power delivered to the load would only be 1 watt. However, if all of the stored energy were released within one microsecond, the peak power would be one megawatt, a million times greater. I am interested in using those 1000 joules of power stored in Russ’s capacitors and releasing it in 10 nanoseconds. This will produce 100,000,000,000 watts (100,000 megawatts) of peak power. This release of pulse power will produce a healthy supersonic shockwave in the hydrogen plasma. Cheers: Axil On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Thanks Brad, A deluxe popper, indeed ! Even if the open-source part is in doubt, the need for a miracle is not. It will be interesting to see the energy balance, in the end. I hope that Russ will strive to provide that, even if a rough estimate. Otherwise this device may linger in the collective imagination for another half century. One thing for sure - the visuals in the videos are a throwback to 1971, in more way than one. The hat must be his borrowed trademark, since it seems to be worn in all of them. Terry will remember the done: Popeye Doyle and the porkpie hat he made famous in the French Connection. Say, didn't Gene Hackman look almost as old back then as he does now? Is that the inverse of 'ageless'? ... begging the question: is there some kind of weird synchronicity between the Popper, Popeye, and Papp (which Josef himself pronounced as pop) ?... or... that 1971 was shortly after Josef Papp arrived in Canada, aboard a 300 mph submarine: http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/comments/papp.html Say... is it me or do these strange time-warps have anything to do with the Bak'tun-13 rollover ? From: ecat builder Hi Vortex, Some updates on Papp development.. Which most of you know is a noble gas that is charged (by RF/spark) and drives a piston with an unexplained (?) force. Harvesting the force and residual energy to produce overunity power remains to be seen. http://peswiki.com/index.php/Talk:Directory:Plasma_Energy_Controls_Plasma_Ex pansion_Motor An open source Papp Engine based on Bob's design is being built by a 26 yr old whiz named Russ. He has made great progress in just a few weeks-- a cylinder based on Bob's test unit, spark generator, gas system, and more. I'm sure he'll be looking for ideas on how to mix and test noble gas mixtures. http://rwgresearch.com/ https://www.youtube.com/user/rwg42985?feature=g-user-u http://www.open-source-energy.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=659 Bob is chiming in with feedback, which is great to see. The forum is at 12 pages and is filled with interesting tidbits. Here is a (self-taught?) Dannel Roberts and his visit to Bob's shop. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=_zWJNyoFgJM Starting at 22:40 is Robert's theory of how the Papp engine creates a bang... Chuck (a LENR replicator) received his Popper Kit from John. It contains 15 pages of design/build notes and has a signal generator to drive 2 included spark coils. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lFt_q69dxkfeature=plcp Bob Rohner has also produced a few new
Re: [Vo]:Magnons, excess heat and ferromagnetism
Kudos...Jones. I am a Magnon Believer, Respectfully, Ron Kita On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 12:08 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: In 2008, research in spintronics focused onto with what is being called a spin Seebeck effect. The effect is seen when heat is applied to a magnetized metal and it may operate with other inherent phase changes to produce novel thermal-magnetic effects. The key concept is the magnon. Unlike ordinary electron movement, the spin Seebeck effect does not create heat as a waste product, so that a Curie point can be maintained in a see-saw fashion, along with other inputs. Interesting new paper touching on the spin Seebeck effect and the magnon connection. It is not exactly on point for Ni-H, but there are clues; and the references at the end are worth the download. http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1209/1209.3405.pdf Imagine the magnon as the quantum force carrier of spin, in the same way as the photon is the quantum of light. Admittedly, this analogy quickly breaks down in the details since the magnon is a quasiparticle; but for understanding the major point about the transfer of spin energy from one nucleus to another, there is more. Photons can illuminate a photocell and produce electricity, in the sense of forcing electrons into a vector, and correspondingly, magnons can irradiate a ferromagnetic material to produce heat to the extent that they alternate polarity rapidly by spin reversals. Reversals happen repeatedly near the Curie point. When a magnetic field reverses its orientation, electric dipoles of atoms shift orientation - and as a result thermal energy is deposited. Even the core of a small wall-transformer, when charging your cell phone with a few watts, gets rather hot from dipole reversal. In general the higher the frequency of dipole reversal - the more heat is deposited and it is exponential. 50 or 60 Hertz gives moderate core heating, but RF gives so much heat that it is the preferred method of rapidly heating some metals without direct electrical current (Ohmic heat). UV is thousands of times more robust than RF. Hydrogen is a prime UV emitter. This could be the best way to understand how thermal gain in Ni-H or Co-H operates - via magnon emission from protons (following reversible proton fusion). Magnon emission can decay with no heat transfer unless collected in an absorber of magnons, preferably one that magnifies the effect in the same general way that iron magnifies field reversals in a typical transformer. In a normal paramagnetic metal like palladium, dipoles move independently from each other but they tend to orient in a magnetic field so as to increase the field strength, to the extent of their magnetic susceptibility. Magnetic susceptibility (magnetizability is a term that could be used) is a dimensionless proportionality constant. Hydrogen in pure palladium does not produce much excess heat, and this means it can be used as a control for proving deuterium gain. The difference in susceptibility between paramagnets and ferromagnets varies, but as a ratio of the magnification effect of 40,000:1 would be a fair approximation for why nickel works to capture magnons effectively, and palladium doesn't. Thusly, when hydrogen is loaded into a ferromagnetic material like nickel or cobalt, it can produce excess heating in those matrices, under conditions which in palladium produce nothing. This should tell the keen observer that there is a fundamental difference between Ni-H and Pd-D systems in the way gain materializes. The two are almost unrelated in terms of modus operandi, other than being isotopes of the same element In ferromagnetics, dipoles orient so as to increase the field, but those dipoles are not independent from each other as in paramagnets. They are self-sensitive. If dipoles are initially oriented at random, all adjacent dipoles will preferentially orient parallel to any change, with the slightest inducement. This magnifies the effect by the large factor mentioned above. When a mass of ferromagnetic material is brought near a source of randomly emitted magnons, almost all the dipoles in the ferromagnet will orient in the direction of the instant field of every magnon. Hence a ferromagnet, as a target for a quantum unit of spin can enormously increase the effect of magnon release. Also, as a known upper temperature is reached, the Curie point, the ferromagnet will become an ordinary paramagnet. That permits another way to vary the orientation of dipoles. The interesting thing for understanding new hydrogen thermal gain - is the range around the Curie point. It is no coincidence that the trigger temperature in Ni-H should be related (identical) to the Curie point in the alloy being employed. Jones
Re: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update
It is a bit premature to assume that hydrogen is actually working. The amount of force driving the piston appears to be too small if we are to believe that one of these engines is capable of 100 HP. I would expect the piston to be driven completely from the cylinder and into space if the required force is generated. Russ is excited because he sees piston movement and I recall that he was impressed with the inert gasses earlier. Someone should calculate what would be expected if the full joule load of the capacitor bank is applied to a piston. Could Russ spray lighter fluid of the equivalent energy release into his device cylinder with only air? Then we could see what would be expected if there is no magic to rely upon when this mixture explodes. A drop would most likely be sufficient and if this test is attempted, make sure that proper safety measures are used. When I was much younger, we made potato cannons that used lighter fluid for energy. It only took a tiny amount to send a potato a hundred meters. Dave -Original Message- From: MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Sep 30, 2012 2:28 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update Unless both Papp and the Rohners are engaging in disinformation... both are telling us to use what doesn't work, and even specifically saying that H doesn't work when in fact is the only gas that does work. -mi _ From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 3:02 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update It's not exactly a proof of principle - and in fact it is closer to a disproof of principle. He gets little to no effect from the Noble gas mixture, but gets an interesting effect from hydrogen. It is probably a hydrino effect. The violet color is indicative of UV emission, which is the signature of the Mill's f/H reaction. Papp says over and over that he does not use hydrogen in his mix, and the Rohner's agree. Therefore since hydrogen gives a rather strong effect, and the Nobel gas mix gives almost none, by comparison, this amounts to a rather compelling disproof of principle for Papp and/or a putative NGE. Jones From: Axil Axil https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBWiWftGknIlist=UULuDKTNDFfat7iO7KGE7fQAin dex=1feature=plcp
Re: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update
For the third time: Check out Krytron technology!!! It used a small amount of radioactive Nickel to speed the rise time of the discharge. Papp almost certainly used Radium for the same purpose. Quoting Spark Gap and Triggered Gap Tubeshttp://www.electricstuff.co.uk/sparkgaps.html : The krytron is a high speed, high current gas filled tube. This tube can switch thousands of amps at thousands of volts. It is similar to a thyratron except that it is a 4 terminal device. The fourth terminal is a keep alive electrode that maintains a glow discharge in the tube at all times. This make the tube much faster and the timing more uniform. There is also a small amount of radioactive Nickel in the tube. The ionization helps further stabilize the propagation delay. On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: I think James could be correct that the choice of noble gases is NOT a stage prop. However, and once again - keep in mind that Papp used radium as his prime energy source, and his patent makes this clear... the noble gases he used could have been important but ancillary in a surprising way. Papp's original IP is entitled: Method Means of Converting Atomic Energy Into Utilizable Kinetic Energy. The Rohner's and other scammers who came along later have clearer wanted to dodge this all-important issue of nuclear power, because they cannot legally obtain radium, which is probably the sine qua non for a working Papp engine. They cannot work without it. The most interesting detail, for real science - is why Papp used this particular mix instead of hydrogen. It probably was important and NOT a stage prop, as mentioned. This rationale could actually involve a real discovery by him - and it could related to gas interaction with an alpha emitter. That would be especially true of helium - which is the bulk of the mix, and is essentially a neutralized alpha. In short, the real discovery of Papp, unbeknownst to even himself, could relate to quantum correlation fields and entanglement. Here is my favorite citation for wisdom from comic books http://marvel.wikia.com/Probability_field and it is strangely apropos for fringe inventor and his 300 mph submarine. Jones From: James Bowery Observing all the trouble Papp went to during the fueling of his engine, it is rather difficult to believe that the noble gas was a mere stage prop. See: http://inteligentry.com/shared/PappW/4-Fueling.mp4 Jojo Jaro wrote: Funny, but Papp may have found a clever and magician trick way of running an internal combustion engine making it appear to be overunity. With the process appearing to work with normal air, and now hydrogen, the noble gas mixture may just have been a convenient and effective magician's sleight of hand technique to divert attention from his engine just being an ordinary Internal Combustion Engine. Everybody was focusing on the novelty of using a certain magic formula of noble gases that nobody bothered to check the energy balance. I believe this is what happened.
RE: [Vo]:Video: Iraj Parchamazad on LENR with Zeolites
The only paper I've found for him is with Biberian: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/BiberianJPpossiblero.pdf and it hardly mentions zeolites. Is there another? Jones From: Ruby I edited an under-23-minute video of Dr. Iraj Parchamazad Chemistry Chairman of University of LaVerne talking about his research into anomalous heat reactions using nano-palladium loaded zeolites exposed to deuterium gas. http://coldfusionnow.org/iraj-parchamazad-lenr-with-zeolites/ Enjoy! -- Ruby Carat United States 1-707-616-4894 Skype ruby-carat www.coldfusionnow.org
RE: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update
What's to check out? We've been there done that over the years with krytrons - and it is a complete dead end, as is the modern-day Papp engine. BTW Papp had no surplus capital, and would not have patented any device as having radiation, only to fool competitors. even if there were any competitors, which there were none. Krytrons are well-known, lossy, and have one main use - to trigger implosion devices. where the fast sharp pulse with no delay - is of highest important. Which is another reason why one does not even want to mention them too often on a public forum. They are tightly regulated. As a tetrode with constant glow, the krytron is in probably in the range of 50% efficiency at most. Why bother? From: James Bowery For the third time: Check out Krytron technology!!! It used a small amount of radioactive Nickel to speed the rise time of the discharge. Papp almost certainly used Radium for the same purpose. Quoting Spark Gap http://www.electricstuff.co.uk/sparkgaps.html and Triggered Gap Tubes: The krytron is a high speed, high current gas filled tube. This tube can switch thousands of amps at thousands of volts. It is similar to a thyratron except that it is a 4 terminal device. The fourth terminal is a keep alive electrode that maintains a glow discharge in the tube at all times. This make the tube much faster and the timing more uniform. There is also a small amount of radioactive Nickel in the tube. The ionization helps further stabilize the propagation delay. On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: I think James could be correct that the choice of noble gases is NOT a stage prop. However, and once again - keep in mind that Papp used radium as his prime energy source, and his patent makes this clear... the noble gases he used could have been important but ancillary in a surprising way. Papp's original IP is entitled: Method Means of Converting Atomic Energy Into Utilizable Kinetic Energy. The Rohner's and other scammers who came along later have clearer wanted to dodge this all-important issue of nuclear power, because they cannot legally obtain radium, which is probably the sine qua non for a working Papp engine. They cannot work without it. The most interesting detail, for real science - is why Papp used this particular mix instead of hydrogen. It probably was important and NOT a stage prop, as mentioned. This rationale could actually involve a real discovery by him - and it could related to gas interaction with an alpha emitter. That would be especially true of helium - which is the bulk of the mix, and is essentially a neutralized alpha. In short, the real discovery of Papp, unbeknownst to even himself, could relate to quantum correlation fields and entanglement. Here is my favorite citation for wisdom from comic books http://marvel.wikia.com/Probability_field and it is strangely apropos for fringe inventor and his 300 mph submarine. Jones From: James Bowery Observing all the trouble Papp went to during the fueling of his engine, it is rather difficult to believe that the noble gas was a mere stage prop. See: http://inteligentry.com/shared/PappW/4-Fueling.mp4 Jojo Jaro wrote: Funny, but Papp may have found a clever and magician trick way of running an internal combustion engine making it appear to be overunity. With the process appearing to work with normal air, and now hydrogen, the noble gas mixture may just have been a convenient and effective magician's sleight of hand technique to divert attention from his engine just being an ordinary Internal Combustion Engine. Everybody was focusing on the novelty of using a certain magic formula of noble gases that nobody bothered to check the energy balance. I believe this is what happened.
Re: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update
My response to Axil was prompted by his hypothesis that the critical parameter was minimizing rise time and peak power of the ignition pulse. The efficiency of the pulse generator is of virtually no significance if it is an ignitor of a larger energy source. I'm not saying I believe Axil's hypothesis about plasma shock waves -- I just don't know. What I do know is that if there is an anomalous effect it is a lot more likely to appear in regimes which are rarely achieved in commonly available devices. As for your concern about Krytrons being tightly regulated, I'm not talking about producing Krytrons -- I'm talking about looking at their mechanism of action for a clue since the Papp system seems to have much in common. Indeed, if we are to suppose that some sort of nuclear energy source is involved in the Papp engine, then it is _likely_ to involve an extrema in rise time and peak power. On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: As a tetrode with constant glow, the krytron is in probably in the range of 50% efficiency at most. Why bother? ** ** ** ** *From:* James Bowery ** ** For the third time: Check out Krytron technology!!! It used a small amount of radioactive Nickel to speed the rise time of the discharge. Papp almost certainly used Radium for the same purpose. Quoting Spark Gap and Triggered Gap Tubeshttp://www.electricstuff.co.uk/sparkgaps.html : The krytron is a high speed, high current gas filled tube. This tube can switch thousands of amps at thousands of volts. It is similar to a thyratron except that it is a 4 terminal device. The fourth terminal is a keep alive electrode that maintains a glow discharge in the tube at all times. This make the tube much faster and the timing more uniform. There is also a small amount of radioactive Nickel in the tube. The ionization helps further stabilize the propagation delay. On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: I think James could be correct that the choice of noble gases is NOT a stage prop. However, and once again - keep in mind that Papp used radium as his prime energy source, and his patent makes this clear... the noble gases he used could have been important but ancillary in a surprising way. Papp's original IP is entitled: Method Means of Converting Atomic Energy Into Utilizable Kinetic Energy. The Rohner's and other scammers who came along later have clearer wanted to dodge this all-important issue of nuclear power, because they cannot legally obtain radium, which is probably the sine qua non for a working Papp engine. They cannot work without it. The most interesting detail, for real science - is why Papp used this particular mix instead of hydrogen. It probably was important and NOT a stage prop, as mentioned. This rationale could actually involve a real discovery by him - and it could related to gas interaction with an alpha emitter. That would be especially true of helium - which is the bulk of the mix, and is essentially a neutralized alpha. In short, the real discovery of Papp, unbeknownst to even himself, could relate to quantum correlation fields and entanglement. Here is my favorite citation for wisdom from comic books http://marvel.wikia.com/Probability_field and it is strangely apropos for fringe inventor and his 300 mph submarine. Jones From: James Bowery Observing all the trouble Papp went to during the fueling of his engine, it is rather difficult to believe that the noble gas was a mere stage prop. See: http://inteligentry.com/shared/PappW/4-Fueling.mp4 Jojo Jaro wrote: Funny, but Papp may have found a clever and magician trick way of running an internal combustion engine making it appear to be overunity. With the process appearing to work with normal air, and now hydrogen, the noble gas mixture may just have been a convenient and effective magician's sleight of hand technique to divert attention from his engine just being an ordinary Internal Combustion Engine. Everybody was focusing on the novelty of using a certain magic formula of noble gases that nobody bothered to check the energy balance. I believe this is what happened.
RE: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update
OK. I agree that -in general- fast rise times and shock waves can explain
overunity in pulsed systems, if it exists. Big if. But the efficiency of
the PS (power supply) is always critical in these systems, if any gain is to
be derivative from acceleration.
And first foremost, one must show overunity. One cannot say that because
there is a putative explanation, then that explanation severs to provide the
missing data. Papp, in the modern day scam, is all about the missing data.
It's not just missing - there is none.
BTW an adequate explanation of why the shock wave could be gainful, if
proved, is found simply in the power laws of motion wrt time, and in the
so-called exponential enhancements to velocity: jerk or jounce. Anything
above acceleration, which is fully conservative, could be gainful- to the
extent that the PS is efficient.
But then again, vorticians share a level of suspicion (in the fizzix
establishment) similar to what the Jamaican Bobsled Team gets in winter
sports ... along with a taste for spicy food ('jerk').
Patois patronization, so to speak. It's all the derivative, mon.
dL/dTVELOCITY
d2L/dT2 ACCELERATION
d3L/dT3 JERK
d4L/dT4 JOUNCE
From: James Bowery
My response to Axil was prompted by his hypothesis that the critical
parameter was minimizing rise time and peak power of the ignition pulse.
The efficiency of the pulse generator is of virtually no significance if it
is an ignitor of a larger energy source. I'm not saying I believe Axil's
hypothesis about plasma shock waves -- I just don't know. What I do know is
that if there is an anomalous effect it is a lot more likely to appear in
regimes which are rarely achieved in commonly available devices.
As for your concern about Krytrons being tightly regulated, I'm not talking
about producing Krytrons -- I'm talking about looking at their mechanism of
action for a clue since the Papp system seems to have much in common.
Indeed, if we are to suppose that some sort of nuclear energy source is
involved in the Papp engine, then it is _likely_ to involve an extrema in
rise time and peak power.
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
As a tetrode with constant glow, the krytron is in probably in the range of
50% efficiency at most. Why bother?
From: James Bowery
For the third time: Check out Krytron technology!!! It used a small amount
of radioactive Nickel to speed the rise time of the discharge. Papp almost
certainly used Radium for the same purpose.
Quoting Spark Gap and Triggered Gap Tubes
http://www.electricstuff.co.uk/sparkgaps.html :
The krytron is a high speed, high current gas filled tube. This tube can
switch thousands of amps at thousands of volts. It is similar to a thyratron
except that it is a 4 terminal device. The fourth terminal is a keep alive
electrode that maintains a glow discharge in the tube at all times. This
make the tube much faster and the timing more uniform. There is also a small
amount of radioactive Nickel in the tube. The ionization helps further
stabilize the propagation delay.
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
I think James could be correct that the choice of noble gases is NOT a
stage
prop.
However, and once again - keep in mind that Papp used radium as his prime
energy source, and his patent makes this clear... the noble gases he used
could have been important but ancillary in a surprising way.
Papp's original IP is entitled: Method Means of Converting Atomic
Energy
Into Utilizable Kinetic Energy. The Rohner's and other scammers who came
along later have clearer wanted to dodge this all-important issue of
nuclear
power, because they cannot legally obtain radium, which is probably the
sine
qua non for a working Papp engine. They cannot work without it.
The most interesting detail, for real science - is why Papp used this
particular mix instead of hydrogen. It probably was important and NOT a
stage prop, as mentioned. This rationale could actually involve a real
discovery by him - and it could related to gas interaction with an alpha
emitter. That would be especially true of helium - which is the bulk of
the
mix, and is essentially a neutralized alpha.
In short, the real discovery of Papp, unbeknownst to even himself, could
relate to quantum correlation fields and entanglement.
Here is my favorite citation for wisdom from comic books
http://marvel.wikia.com/Probability_field
and it is strangely apropos for fringe inventor and his 300 mph
submarine.
Jones
From: James Bowery
Observing all the trouble Papp went to during the fueling
of
his engine, it is rather difficult to believe that the noble gas was a
mere
stage prop.
See:
http://inteligentry.com/shared/PappW/4-Fueling.mp4
Jojo Jaro wrote:
Funny, but Papp may have
Re: [Vo]:Video: Iraj Parchamazad on LENR with Zeolites
As far as I know, there is only slides from his presentation at ICCF-14 by New Energy Times. You must scroll down on this page to find his name http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2008/ICCF14/ICCMNS-14-Recordings.shtml Here is the direct download for the New Energy Times .pdf: http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2008/ICCF14/Pres/14-Parchamazad-Nanoparticles.pdf Ruby On 9/30/12 2:38 PM, Jones Beene wrote: The only paper I've found for him is with Biberian: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/BiberianJPpossiblero.pdf and it hardly mentions zeolites. Is there another? Jones *From:*Ruby I edited an under-23-minute video of Dr. Iraj Parchamazad Chemistry Chairman of University of LaVerne talking about his research into anomalous heat reactions using nano-palladium loaded zeolites exposed to deuterium gas. http://coldfusionnow.org/iraj-parchamazad-lenr-with-zeolites/ Enjoy! -- Ruby Carat United States 1-707-616-4894 Skype ruby-carat www.coldfusionnow.org http://www.coldfusionnow.org -- Ruby Carat United States 1-707-616-4894 Skype ruby-carat www.coldfusionnow.org http://www.coldfusionnow.org
RE: [Vo]:Video: Iraj Parchamazad on LENR with Zeolites
Thanks, Ruby. These are old slides (2008) are interesting in the context of palladium-deuterium. But there is no real anomaly to get excited about there. This is similar to the NRL work with zeolites. Yawn. The caption under both experiments could be labeled as so close, but so far away since they had the Casimir cavity part of the equation correct (using zeolite), but not the active ingredients. Palladium deuterium is not a Casimir-cavity influenced reaction - that much is clear. OTOH... hydrogen is. I was hoping that there would have been information more pertinent to the Reiter effect with cobalt and hydrogen in zeolite, mentioned recently here as the ZeoCat, but that was wishful thinking. https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=vpid=sitessrcid=ZGVmYXVsdGRvbWFpbnxvaGlvd G9pb3xneDpjZGMzM2VjNGQwY2ExZDcpli=1 BTW - As of today, not yet October - the ZeoCat of Nick Reiter looks to me like the most important open source experiment in LENR in the sense of: easy to do, but with robust results, begging for replication, and begging for enhancements. From: Ruby As far as I know, there is only slides from his presentation at ICCF-14 by New Energy Times. You must scroll down on this page to find his name http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2008/ICCF14/ICCMNS-14-Recordings.sh tml Here is the direct download for the New Energy Times .pdf: http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2008/ICCF14/Pres/14-Parchamazad-Nan oparticles.pdf Ruby Jones Beene wrote: The only paper I've found for him is with Biberian: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/BiberianJPpossiblero.pdf and it hardly mentions zeolites. Is there another? Jones From: Ruby I edited an under-23-minute video of Dr. Iraj Parchamazad Chemistry Chairman of University of LaVerne talking about his research into anomalous heat reactions using nano-palladium loaded zeolites exposed to deuterium gas. http://coldfusionnow.org/iraj-parchamazad-lenr-with-zeolites/ Enjoy! -- Ruby Carat attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update
Don't go gettin' all Davis on my punk-ass just because I mentioned
discontinuity in the context of anomaly. I did mention nuclear.
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 6:15 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
OK. I agree that -in general- fast rise times and shock waves can explain
overunity in pulsed systems, if it exists. Big “if”. But the efficiency of
the PS (power supply) is always critical in these systems, if any gain is to
be derivative from acceleration.
And first foremost, one must show overunity. One cannot say that because
there is a putative explanation, then that explanation severs to provide the
missing data. Papp, in the modern day scam, is all about the missing data.
It’s not just missing - there is none.
BTW an adequate explanation of “why” the shock wave could be gainful, if
proved, is found simply in the power laws of motion wrt time, and in the
so-called exponential enhancements to velocity: “jerk” or “jounce”. Anything
above acceleration, which is fully conservative, could be gainful- to the
extent that the PS is efficient.
But then again, vorticians share a level of suspicion (in the fizzix
establishment) similar to what the Jamaican Bobsled Team gets in winter
sports ... along with a taste for spicy food ('jerk').
Patois patronization, so to speak. It’s all the derivative, mon.
dL/dTVELOCITY
d2L/dT2 ACCELERATION
d3L/dT3 JERK
d4L/dT4 JOUNCE
From: James Bowery
My response to Axil was prompted by his hypothesis that the critical
parameter was minimizing rise time and peak power of the ignition pulse.
The efficiency of the pulse generator is of virtually no significance if it
is an ignitor of a larger energy source. I'm not saying I believe Axil's
hypothesis about plasma shock waves -- I just don't know. What I do know is
that if there is an anomalous effect it is a lot more likely to appear in
regimes which are rarely achieved in commonly available devices.
As for your concern about Krytrons being tightly regulated, I'm not talking
about producing Krytrons -- I'm talking about looking at their mechanism of
action for a clue since the Papp system seems to have much in common.
Indeed, if we are to suppose that some sort of nuclear energy source is
involved in the Papp engine, then it is _likely_ to involve an extrema in
rise time and peak power.
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
As a tetrode with constant glow, the krytron is in probably in the range of
50% efficiency at most. Why bother?
From: James Bowery
For the third time: Check out Krytron technology!!! It used a small amount
of radioactive Nickel to speed the rise time of the discharge. Papp almost
certainly used Radium for the same purpose.
Quoting Spark Gap and Triggered Gap Tubes:
The krytron is a high speed, high current gas filled tube. This tube can
switch thousands of amps at thousands of volts. It is similar to a thyratron
except that it is a 4 terminal device. The fourth terminal is a keep alive
electrode that maintains a glow discharge in the tube at all times. This
make the tube much faster and the timing more uniform. There is also a small
amount of radioactive Nickel in the tube. The ionization helps further
stabilize the propagation delay.
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
I think James could be correct that the choice of noble gases is NOT a
stage
prop.
However, and once again - keep in mind that Papp used radium as his prime
energy source, and his patent makes this clear... the noble gases he used
could have been important but ancillary in a surprising way.
Papp's original IP is entitled: Method Means of Converting Atomic
Energy
Into Utilizable Kinetic Energy. The Rohner's and other scammers who came
along later have clearer wanted to dodge this all-important issue of
nuclear
power, because they cannot legally obtain radium, which is probably the
sine
qua non for a working Papp engine. They cannot work without it.
The most interesting detail, for real science - is why Papp used this
particular mix instead of hydrogen. It probably was important and NOT a
stage prop, as mentioned. This rationale could actually involve a real
discovery by him - and it could related to gas interaction with an alpha
emitter. That would be especially true of helium - which is the bulk of
the
mix, and is essentially a neutralized alpha.
In short, the real discovery of Papp, unbeknownst to even himself, could
relate to quantum correlation fields and entanglement.
Here is my favorite citation for wisdom from comic books
http://marvel.wikia.com/Probability_field
and it is strangely apropos for fringe inventor and his 300 mph
submarine.
Jones
From: James Bowery
Observing all the trouble Papp went to during the fueling
of
his engine, it is rather difficult to believe that the
Re: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update
Although, come to think of it, didn't William O. Davis do his initial
theoretic work at EGG?
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 7:15 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
Don't go gettin' all Davis on my punk-ass just because I mentioned
discontinuity in the context of anomaly. I did mention nuclear.
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 6:15 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
OK. I agree that -in general- fast rise times and shock waves can explain
overunity in pulsed systems, if it exists. Big “if”. But the efficiency of
the PS (power supply) is always critical in these systems, if any gain is to
be derivative from acceleration.
And first foremost, one must show overunity. One cannot say that because
there is a putative explanation, then that explanation severs to provide the
missing data. Papp, in the modern day scam, is all about the missing data.
It’s not just missing - there is none.
BTW an adequate explanation of “why” the shock wave could be gainful, if
proved, is found simply in the power laws of motion wrt time, and in the
so-called exponential enhancements to velocity: “jerk” or “jounce”. Anything
above acceleration, which is fully conservative, could be gainful- to the
extent that the PS is efficient.
But then again, vorticians share a level of suspicion (in the fizzix
establishment) similar to what the Jamaican Bobsled Team gets in winter
sports ... along with a taste for spicy food ('jerk').
Patois patronization, so to speak. It’s all the derivative, mon.
dL/dTVELOCITY
d2L/dT2 ACCELERATION
d3L/dT3 JERK
d4L/dT4 JOUNCE
From: James Bowery
My response to Axil was prompted by his hypothesis that the critical
parameter was minimizing rise time and peak power of the ignition pulse.
The efficiency of the pulse generator is of virtually no significance if it
is an ignitor of a larger energy source. I'm not saying I believe Axil's
hypothesis about plasma shock waves -- I just don't know. What I do know is
that if there is an anomalous effect it is a lot more likely to appear in
regimes which are rarely achieved in commonly available devices.
As for your concern about Krytrons being tightly regulated, I'm not talking
about producing Krytrons -- I'm talking about looking at their mechanism of
action for a clue since the Papp system seems to have much in common.
Indeed, if we are to suppose that some sort of nuclear energy source is
involved in the Papp engine, then it is _likely_ to involve an extrema in
rise time and peak power.
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
As a tetrode with constant glow, the krytron is in probably in the range of
50% efficiency at most. Why bother?
From: James Bowery
For the third time: Check out Krytron technology!!! It used a small amount
of radioactive Nickel to speed the rise time of the discharge. Papp almost
certainly used Radium for the same purpose.
Quoting Spark Gap and Triggered Gap Tubes:
The krytron is a high speed, high current gas filled tube. This tube can
switch thousands of amps at thousands of volts. It is similar to a thyratron
except that it is a 4 terminal device. The fourth terminal is a keep alive
electrode that maintains a glow discharge in the tube at all times. This
make the tube much faster and the timing more uniform. There is also a small
amount of radioactive Nickel in the tube. The ionization helps further
stabilize the propagation delay.
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
I think James could be correct that the choice of noble gases is NOT a
stage
prop.
However, and once again - keep in mind that Papp used radium as his prime
energy source, and his patent makes this clear... the noble gases he used
could have been important but ancillary in a surprising way.
Papp's original IP is entitled: Method Means of Converting Atomic
Energy
Into Utilizable Kinetic Energy. The Rohner's and other scammers who came
along later have clearer wanted to dodge this all-important issue of
nuclear
power, because they cannot legally obtain radium, which is probably the
sine
qua non for a working Papp engine. They cannot work without it.
The most interesting detail, for real science - is why Papp used this
particular mix instead of hydrogen. It probably was important and NOT a
stage prop, as mentioned. This rationale could actually involve a real
discovery by him - and it could related to gas interaction with an alpha
emitter. That would be especially true of helium - which is the bulk of
the
mix, and is essentially a neutralized alpha.
In short, the real discovery of Papp, unbeknownst to even himself, could
relate to quantum correlation fields and entanglement.
Here is my favorite citation for wisdom from comic books
http://marvel.wikia.com/Probability_field
and it is strangely apropos for fringe inventor and his 300 mph
submarine.
Jones
Re: [Vo]:Video: Iraj Parchamazad on LENR with Zeolites
Excellent video, Ruby Parchamazad's approach is intriguing. If you are still in touch with him, it would be interesting to know - - if the nano-particles form fractal conductive chains, and if so, the bulk resistance, and its stability - that since em-absorption spectrum changes after Pd-loading, is there any evidence of super-focusing and hot spots in the nano-structure - whether he can use a non-metallic chamber so that em-emissions can be characterized. Thanks for the good work. - Lou Pagnucco I edited an under-23-minute video of Dr. Iraj Parchamazad Chemistry Chairman of University of LaVerne talking about his research into anomalous heat reactions using nano-palladium loaded zeolites exposed to deuterium gas. http://coldfusionnow.org/iraj-parchamazad-lenr-with-zeolites/ Enjoy! -- Ruby Carat United States 1-707-616-4894 Skype ruby-carat www.coldfusionnow.org http://www.coldfusionnow.org
