[Vo]:Desalination at 99% less energy cost?

2013-03-24 Thread Patrick Ellul
Hello Vortexlers, Not sure if this was shared already. From: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/13/usa-desalination-idUSL1N0C0DG520130313 Filter could sharply cut energy needed to remove salt from water Officials say firm has patented process, looking for partners Cheaper seawater

RE: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: only a perfect LENR theory should attack other theories

2013-03-24 Thread Jones Beene
Well, Robin - this appears to be neither actual neutrino pair production (as opposed to cosmological theory), nor relevant to LENR, since it is hypothetical pair production in collapsing stars... therefore, IMHO - nothing has changed and it still requires a major miracle to suggest that that

Re: [Vo]:Fwd: CMNS: only a perfect LENR theory should attack other theories

2013-03-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
DJ Cravens djcrav...@hotmail.com wrote: I don’t think that any of my work is secret and I have helped many others in the field. Your work is not secret but it is obscure. It deserves to be presented more fully, in more detail, in professionally written papers. You have helped many others. That

[Vo]:Have the people at NASA responded to objections to W-L theory?

2013-03-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net presented a long list of objections to the W-L theory: Miracle 1 - SPPs couple with photons of light to become activated. There is little or no light in electrolysis LENR experiments - but some light exists in plasma glow or Mills reactions. If W-L want to

Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: only a perfect LENR theory should attack other theories

2013-03-24 Thread Harry Veeder
On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 7:56 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Sat, 23 Mar 2013 17:59:19 -0400: Hi, [snip] The standard model, I assume, is predicated on the conviction that QM is correct and also necessary. It is felt necessary because it explains the

Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: only a perfect LENR theory should attack other theories

2013-03-24 Thread pagnucco
Eric, Great work. Thanks. I was not aware that official data was imprecise. Nice to know that. If the thermal neutron generation is actually occurring, it seems there should be a small amount of radioactive ash (maybe short-lived) after the reaction is stopped. I believe some of the

RE: [Vo]:Have the people at NASA responded to objections to W-L theory?

2013-03-24 Thread Jones Beene
My impression is that NASA has done significant work with surface plasmon effects and is absolutely convinced that they are such a breakthrough (in other fields) that they are willing to overlook the problems as they pertain to electrolysis LENR. Separately, they believe LENR to be valid as a

Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: only a perfect LENR theory should attack other theories

2013-03-24 Thread Eric Walker
Lou, I wish it was great work. Unfortunately, there was an important flaw once again. From Robin's Web site I obtained the total cross sections, and from your Web site I obtained the neutron capture cross sections. It is the total cross section, only one component of which is the neutron

RE: [Vo]:Fwd: CMNS: only a perfect LENR theory should attack other theories

2013-03-24 Thread DJ Cravens
Congratulations on getting them to consider a demo when I could not solicit a response. I asked around and I know of no one except perhaps Celani that might be in a position to do a demo at a remote venue like ICCF by July. It is too late in the game now to get a system prepared and vetted

Re: [Vo]:Peswiki : Yildiz / Turkish Magnetic Motor 30-day University Test

2013-03-24 Thread Alan Fletcher
About the Yildiz engine - Interview with Dr. Duarte http://www.pureenergyblog.com/2013/03/23/651/about-the-yildiz-engine-interview-with-jorge-duarte/ ... You should understand that I’ve already participated in more than enough experiments with the machine; and all parts have been inspected [by

Re: [Vo]:Fwd: CMNS: only a perfect LENR theory should attack other theories

2013-03-24 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 2:28 PM, DJ Cravens djcrav...@hotmail.com wrote: Right now I am struggling to learn how to use “lost wax” casting of Pd +23%Ag alloys for making a toroid. See [1], where they're using geometry involving a silver core and a thin palladium shell to split water into

Re: [Vo]:Fwd: CMNS: only a perfect LENR theory should attack other theories

2013-03-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
DJ Cravens djcrav...@hotmail.com wrote: Congratulations on getting them to consider a demo when I could not solicit a response. Actually, they have not responded to me yet, either, but informally in conversation they said they would. You need to give them another chance, for the sake of the

Re: [Vo]:Peswiki : Yildiz / Turkish Magnetic Motor 30-day University Test

2013-03-24 Thread Alan Fletcher
From: Alan Fletcher a...@well.com Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 2:30:00 PM Maybe the fan method (blow air down a tube and measure the velocity) isn't as simple as it might seem : http://129.123.92.202/pubh5330/chap_12_Anemometers.pdf One would have to be very careful to traverse the duct, to

Re: [Vo]:Peswiki : Yildiz / Turkish Magnetic Motor 30-day University Test

2013-03-24 Thread David Roberson
It would be great if machines of this type were capable of running on magnets. Call me old fashioned, but I must see a process that extracts energy from some source to be converted into the output energy. I would even accept a process that cools down the local environment as it extracts

RE: [Vo]:Fwd: CMNS: only a perfect LENR theory should attack other theories

2013-03-24 Thread DJ Cravens
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 17:43:34 -0400 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Fwd: CMNS: only a perfect LENR theory should attack other theories From: jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com DJ Cravens djcrav...@hotmail.com wrote: Congratulations on getting them to consider a demo when I could not solicit a

Re: [Vo]:Fwd: CMNS: only a perfect LENR theory should attack other theories

2013-03-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
DJ Cravens djcrav...@hotmail.com wrote: It was you that complained about my lack of writing ability. That's easily fixed. I have written entire papers for people who speak English as a second language. Also, it was you that in times past (a few years back) said that demos where not

Re: [Vo]:Fwd: CMNS: only a perfect LENR theory should attack other theories

2013-03-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: I have said that to many other cold fusion researchers. They often kvetch and moan about how unfair the world is and how oppressed they are. Then, when you suggest they submit an abstract or write a paper, it's: Oh no, I don't have time for that. People should believe me. . . .

Re: [Vo]:Fwd: CMNS: only a perfect LENR theory should attack other theories

2013-03-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
I mean to say that Dennis did NOT set the stage properly, or follow up properly. Dennis or whoever it was who arranged that demo at Monte Carlo. No idea who. It was a big fat wasted opportunity. Why go to all that trouble if you are not going to publish a permanent record of the event? A handful

Re: [Vo]:Graneau Questions

2013-03-24 Thread Harry Veeder
On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 6:04 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Sat, 23 Mar 2013 04:04:55 -0400: Hi, [snip] The weak force doesn't actually present a barrier. It presents a chance that something will occur. Electrons and protons don't normally combine into

[Vo]:Nokia developing phone that recharges itself without mains electricity

2013-03-24 Thread Harry Veeder
Nokia developing phone that recharges itself without mains electricity Prototype harvests radiowaves from TV, radio and other mobiles http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jun/10/nokia-mobile-phone quote ...Nokia claims it is able to scavenge relatively large amounts of power — around a

Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: only a perfect LENR theory should attack other theories

2013-03-24 Thread Harry Veeder
On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 9:00 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Harry, An electron would not spiral into the nucleus if it is a continuous charge instead of a point source. Think of it as a steady DC current which generates a magnetic field that does not radiate energy like an

Re: [Vo]:Graneau Questions

2013-03-24 Thread mixent
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Sun, 24 Mar 2013 20:36:40 -0400: Hi, [snip] It's actually classically forbidden. 1 baseball + a second baseball does not make 3 baseballs. I don't understand your analogy. Aren't we talking about 1e combining with 1p to make 1n? Yes, but that's the

Re: [Vo]:Nokia developing phone that recharges itself without mains electricity

2013-03-24 Thread mixent
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Sun, 24 Mar 2013 22:21:19 -0400: Hi, [snip] Nokia developing phone that recharges itself without mains electricity Prototype harvests radiowaves from TV, radio and other mobiles http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jun/10/nokia-mobile-phone quote

Re: [Vo]:Cluster Decay

2013-03-24 Thread Eric Walker
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 7:45 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: A very crude model that I constructed implied that the region of maximum heating due to the passing particle would continue along the original momentum direction. Dave, David Nagel has put together a paper on the topic

Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: only a perfect LENR theory should attack other theories

2013-03-24 Thread David Roberson
Harry, it is certainly true that the current flows in a loop. The important issue is that each tiny portion of the loop radiates a signal as it accelerates, but that the integration of all of the individual signals balance out and results in no net radiation. A circular loop of current will

Re: [Vo]:Cluster Decay

2013-03-24 Thread David Roberson
Thanks Eric, this is the type of information I am seeking as I attempt to understand the chain reactions taking place. I still need to find the reason why temperature or pressure waves associated with the nuclear events taking place are able to trigger additional events. It is quite clear

Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: only a perfect LENR theory should attack other theories

2013-03-24 Thread Axil Axil
The elimination of the far field radiation pattern in plexciton radiation by the Fano resonant interference is what makes the hot spot in Nanophotonics so energetic, up to a 500,000,000 enhancement factor without optimization. Cheers: Axil On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 11:26 PM, David Roberson

Re: [Vo]:Cluster Decay

2013-03-24 Thread Axil Axil
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 11:34 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: I still need to find the reason why temperature or pressure waves associated with the nuclear events taking place are able to trigger additional events. It is quite clear that large temperatures are generated, but it

Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: only a perfect LENR theory should attack other theories

2013-03-24 Thread Harry Veeder
On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 7:35 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Jones Beene's message of Sat, 23 Mar 2013 06:52:31 -0700: Hi, [snip] -Original Message- From: Harry Veeder According to Robin reduced-mass neutrons can form spontaneously, but rarely, when an electron is captured

Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: only a perfect LENR theory should attack other theories

2013-03-24 Thread Harry Veeder
Dave, I did not know that. So, for example, a uniformly charged circular ring spinning like a wheel will not radiate? Will it radiate if it is rotating about its diameter? Harry On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 11:26 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Harry, it is certainly true that the

Re: [Vo]:Graneau Questions

2013-03-24 Thread Harry Veeder
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 10:50 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Sun, 24 Mar 2013 20:36:40 -0400: Hi, [snip] It's actually classically forbidden. 1 baseball + a second baseball does not make 3 baseballs. I don't understand your analogy. Aren't we talking

Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: only a perfect LENR theory should attack other theories

2013-03-24 Thread Harry Veeder
The planet Saturn comes to mind! The proton is the planet and the electrons are the rings. Harry On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Dave, I did not know that. So, for example, a uniformly charged circular ring spinning like a wheel will not radiate?

Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: only a perfect LENR theory should attack other theories

2013-03-24 Thread mixent
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Sun, 24 Mar 2013 23:56:51 -0400: Hi, [snip] Actually, my intention was to explain how free neutrons could be created, but I guess this is not necessary. I will just focus on my argument that a proton and electron can collide instead forming a stable atom. The

Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: only a perfect LENR theory should attack other theories

2013-03-24 Thread mixent
In reply to David Roberson's message of Sun, 24 Mar 2013 23:26:56 -0400 (EDT): Hi, [snip] For the above reasons there would be no energy loss as a result of the current flow if it consisted of a continuous charge distribution orbiting a nucleus. That is not true for a point charge following

Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: only a perfect LENR theory should attack other theories

2013-03-24 Thread mixent
In reply to Eric Walker's message of Sun, 24 Mar 2013 12:39:44 -0700: Hi, [snip] Lou, I wish it was great work. Unfortunately, there was an important flaw once again. From Robin's Web site I obtained the total cross sections, and from your Web site I obtained the neutron capture cross

[Vo]:It is fission dear fellows; clear your minds of confusion

2013-03-24 Thread Axil Axil
In their report, DEFKALION said they did no isotope analysis, yet they said there was no transmutation of Ni. Also, they did not find Tritium, He3 or He4 among the light elements. They found lithium, beryllium and boron, though. It seems that each LENR reactor reflects a unique transmutation

Re: [Vo]:It is fission dear fellows; clear your minds of confusion

2013-03-24 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 10:21 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The reaction should be called cold fission. Yes, it is tempting to think there is fission going on (or perhaps cluster decay). He4 being a gas will escape the nuclear active zone before a fusion process can build on it so

Re: [Vo]:It is fission dear fellows; clear your minds of confusion

2013-03-24 Thread Axil Axil
I have always thought that He4 is also a product of increase alpha decay caused by a slight coulomb barrier lowering and not a product of fusion. It is fission all the way, Pd/D and Ni/H. It is tragic that fusion has confused so many excellent minds for so long. Cheers: Axil On Mon, Mar 25,

Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: only a perfect LENR theory should attack other theories

2013-03-24 Thread mixent
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Sun, 24 Mar 2013 13:13:10 -0400: Hi, [snip] Classical EM theory says a charge undergoing acceleration should radiate energy. A charge with angular momentum is experiencing an acceleration (in the classical mechanical sense of angular menumtum) so it should

Re: [Vo]:It is fission dear fellows; clear your minds of confusion

2013-03-24 Thread mixent
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Mon, 25 Mar 2013 01:21:53 -0400: Hi, [snip] It is fission dear fellows; clear your minds of confusion so forget about fusion and neutron formation. ...something has to provide the energy to initiate the fission. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk

Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: only a perfect LENR theory should attack other theories

2013-03-24 Thread Harry Veeder
This is provides a summary of eight distinct failed models of the hydrogen atom which the preceded the Bohr model. http://skullsinthestars.com/2008/05/27/the-gallery-of-failed-atomic-models-1903-1913/ As I have argued recently, I think the key to explaining cold fusion phenomena depends on a

Re: [Vo]:It is fission dear fellows; clear your minds of confusion

2013-03-24 Thread Axil Axil
As the protons lose their charge, the neutrons in the nucleus become repulsive and push the nucleus apart. You cannot have a nucleus full of neutrons, it just won’t do. Charge screening means neutron repulsion. There is a wide range of charge screening levels that can happen and an associated