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2013-04-04 Thread Kelly Smunt
http://www.riversup.com/zoqltksa/tmlrs.psvjm?gkl Kelly Smunt

Re: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now!

2013-04-04 Thread Axil Axil
A Fano interference is an Interference between a background and a resonant scattering process that produces the asymmetric line-shape. In a lattice, the background frequency is infrared heat, the resonant scattering process is dipole hole/electron oscillation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fano_r

Re: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now!

2013-04-04 Thread Harry Veeder
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Jones Beene wrote: > It seems a bit more logical to suggest that the lack of gammas can be > better > explained by the lack of the kind of nuclear reaction that produces gammas. > The most prevalent nuclear reaction in the Universe, reversible proton > fusion, prod

Re: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now!

2013-04-04 Thread Harry Veeder
Axil I didn't know that was the focus of Peter Hagelstein's work. However, he says he adds a "weird kind of loss" to his model. Any idea what he means? BTW, It occured to me that a "failed" model, i.e. a classically unstable model, could also produce a similar result, where a given amount of energ

RE: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now!

2013-04-04 Thread Jones Beene
From: Eric Walker One implication appears to be that you would see 4He traveling twice as fast in a given direction near where a reaction has taken place than you would in normal d+d plasma fusion. Let me emend that -- in d+d plasma fusion, you have the three branches: 1. d+d → 4H

Re: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now!

2013-04-04 Thread Harry Veeder
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:00 PM, Eric Walker wrote: > On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 1:54 PM, wrote: > > To put it in simple terms, the presence of the spectator nucleus provides >> the >> 4He, something to "push off" against, like a swimmer pushing off against >> the end >> of the pool. The spectator n

Re: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now!

2013-04-04 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 8:00 PM, Eric Walker wrote: > One implication appears to be that you would see 4He traveling twice as > fast in a given direction near where a reaction has taken place than you > would in normal d+d plasma fusion. > Let me emend that -- in d+d plasma fusion, you have the

Re: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now!

2013-04-04 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Jones Beene wrote: You can’t be serious. > Yes, I think that's the point. I had a friend in high school who would say the most absurd things just to get a reaction out of people. Eric

Re: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now!

2013-04-04 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 1:54 PM, wrote: To put it in simple terms, the presence of the spectator nucleus provides > the > 4He, something to "push off" against, like a swimmer pushing off against > the end > of the pool. The spectator nucleus also gets some of the kinetic energy, > IOW it > moves a

[Vo]:Probability fields ... was: A pile of clues...

2013-04-04 Thread Jones Beene
Lately Rossi has been saying a home version of the Ecat is years away although he doesn't really say why. Harry Well, for the sake of tying up loose ends, one reason why - could be because the unit will not start without a "probability field" enhancement. And such an enhancement might

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now!

2013-04-04 Thread Harry Veeder
Fran, I think this would require a violation of the second law of thermodynamics. Harry On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Roarty, Francis X wrote: > Harry, > > I am ok with COE remaining a law but the “convention” that > HUP can never be tapped needs to be stricken. My point

Re: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now!

2013-04-04 Thread Harry Veeder
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 7:54 PM, David Roberson wrote: > The recent inventions of Rossi do not have enough shielding to stop gammas > at 511 keV. I also have not seen him mention that this is a problem > anymore and I hope that they are not emitted in large numbers since that > would make home us

Re: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now!

2013-04-04 Thread David Roberson
In the case where a positron and electron annihilate each other the conservation of momentum requires that the two photons be emitted in exact opposition and with exactly the same energy. Perhaps it is possible to assume that if the two opposing photons are observed then a process of this type

Re: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now!

2013-04-04 Thread Kevin O'Malley
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 10:33 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint wrote: Why, in some nuclear interactions, do two gammas go shooting off in OPPOSITE directions??? Where is the physical model that explains the REASON for these basic observations??? ***Here's the physical model I proposed here on Vortex when you

Re: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now!

2013-04-04 Thread David Roberson
The recent inventions of Rossi do not have enough shielding to stop gammas at 511 keV. I also have not seen him mention that this is a problem anymore and I hope that they are not emitted in large numbers since that would make home use of his device problematic. Dave -Original Message-

Re: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now!

2013-04-04 Thread David Roberson
That is my fear Jones. A photon has a large energy to momentum ratio as compared to an electron. I would expect to see Compton reflection of the high energy gamma as it collides with electrons. It is very presumptuous to assume that the gammas will be absorbed quickly. Does anyone see how bo

Re: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now!

2013-04-04 Thread Axil Axil
Rossi has consistently refused to provide details of what is going on inside the E-Cat reactor, but he has mentioned that gamma rays have been detected. In a video interview when asked about whether the E-Cat was a ‘cold fusion’ technology he said, “we have found traces of fusion because we have fo

RE: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now!

2013-04-04 Thread Jones Beene
The problem with such a high energy gamma hitting an electron is that the total mass-energy of the target is only 2-3% of the mass-energy of the driver. This slight impediment does not even slow the gamma down very much. There could possibly be pair-production but to imagine that the re-emission wa

RE: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now!

2013-04-04 Thread Jones Beene
From: Axil Your inexactitude in thinking is hard to overcome. Let us try another piece of info as follows: When Rossi first stated his demonstrations and the public comments about them, his first few shows were marred by a troublesome condition during startup and shutdown where signi

Re: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now!

2013-04-04 Thread Axil Axil
Your inexactitude in thinking is hard to overcome. Let us try another piece of info as follows: When Rossi first stated his demonstrations and the public comments about them, his first few shows were marred by a troublesome condition during startup and shutdown where significant gamma radiation wa

Re: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now!

2013-04-04 Thread David Roberson
Has anyone looked to see that momentum is conserved in these processes? Dave -Original Message- From: mixent To: vortex-l Sent: Thu, Apr 4, 2013 5:45 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now! In reply to Jones Beene's message of Thu, 4 Apr 2013 12:29:42 -07

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now!

2013-04-04 Thread mixent
In reply to Roarty, Francis X's message of Thu, 4 Apr 2013 18:58:33 +: Hi, [snip] >Harry, >I am ok with COE remaining a law but the "convention" that HUP > can never be tapped needs to be stricken. My point is that the random forces > normally cancelled in the macro world bec

Re: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now!

2013-04-04 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Thu, 4 Apr 2013 12:29:42 -0700: Hi, [snip] >More disinformation. There is no possibility of nano-sized sites stopping >gamma radiation. This requires thick lead shielding. ..I have often wondered if an electron that is within the wavelength of a gamma (i.e. a

Re: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now!

2013-04-04 Thread mixent
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Thu, 4 Apr 2013 16:02:17 -0400: Hi, [snip] >* > >Evidence of electromagnetic radiation from Ni-H Systems >* >http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CDsQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnewenergytimes.com%2Fv2%2Flibrary%2F2004

RE: [Vo]:It's a Plot

2013-04-04 Thread Chris Zell
I would think that the works of Charles Fort would offer strong support to the matrix concept. Also, the appearance of ghosts often contain a strong repetitive character that makes me think about a glitch in a computer that gets it stuck in a loop.

Re: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now!

2013-04-04 Thread mixent
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Wed, 3 Apr 2013 23:38:46 -0400: Hi, [snip] >The higher the energy, the smaller the body, going down from outer electron >shells to individual nucleons and, presumably, quarks. But as the size >decreases, the probability of an interaction will no doubt go down in

Re: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now!

2013-04-04 Thread mixent
In reply to Eric Walker's message of Wed, 3 Apr 2013 20:20:58 -0700: Hi, [snip] >[1] http://phys.org/news/2013-04-quarks-dictate-proton.html BTW, compare this to:- http://checkerboard.dnsalias.net/ Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

RE: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now!

2013-04-04 Thread Jones Beene
You can't be serious. These are extraordinarily low radiation counts over long periods. 35 megajoules of excess heat over 22 days and what? . a few hundred counts. LOL This is strong evidence against a direct correlation of radiation to heat - not evidence for a correlation. Yes,

Re: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now!

2013-04-04 Thread mixent
In reply to Eric Walker's message of Wed, 3 Apr 2013 20:20:58 -0700: Hi, [snip] >An example of a new branch would be: > >d + d ? 4He + M, > >where M is a nearby nucleus that shares the energy of the reaction as a >spectator (all of this should be familiar as Ron Maimon's idea). This >conserve

Re: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now!

2013-04-04 Thread Axil Axil
* Evidence of electromagnetic radiation from Ni-H Systems * http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CDsQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnewenergytimes.com%2Fv2%2Flibrary%2F2004%2F2004Focardi-EvidenceOfElectromagneticRadiation.pdf&ei=-NpdUemSBITB4AP364CYBA&usg=

RE: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now!

2013-04-04 Thread Jones Beene
_ From: MarkI-ZeroPoint So, out of all the erudite Vorts, no one can answer the following simple questions: Why are the UP-spin quarks on OPPOSITE sides of the proton from

RE: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now!

2013-04-04 Thread Jones Beene
From: Axil Axil The reason this claim of W-L theory is ludicrous --- Of course this is not LENR, but it is the model for gamma downshifting, and if you want to assert two distinct miracles - then it is wise to show some other evidence than the very phenomenon you wish to explain - with y

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now!

2013-04-04 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Harry, I am ok with COE remaining a law but the "convention" that HUP can never be tapped needs to be stricken. My point is that the random forces normally cancelled in the macro world become organized by casimir geometry and can provide an exploitable bias from zero point energy

Re: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now!

2013-04-04 Thread Axil Axil
*The reason this claim of W-L theory is ludicrous --- Of course this is not LENR, but it is the model for gamma downshifting, and if you want to assert two distinct miracles - then it is wise to show some other evidence than the very phenomenon you wish to explain - with your outrageous claim. * G

Re: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now!

2013-04-04 Thread Harry Veeder
It might be possible to develop "realistic" models which explain these things if CoE is demoted from a law to a convention or should a law always take precedence over intelligibility and experience? Harry On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 1:33 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint wrote: > So, out of all the erudite Vorts,

RE: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now!

2013-04-04 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
So, out of all the erudite Vorts, no one can answer the following simple questions: Why are the UP-spin quarks on OPPOSITE sides of the proton from the DOWN-spin quarks??? Why do... "All spin directions collapse on one or the OPPOSITE direction depending on the measured photon polarization." ???

Re: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now!

2013-04-04 Thread David Roberson
Jones, I forgive you for hijacking the original thread since I was an accomplice. I would like to understand the RPF reaction better if possible and to determine why it does not emit a gamma as you point out. If the collisions between the protons are elastic, then the energy could be conserved

Re: [Vo]:mostly OT cancer breakthrough

2013-04-04 Thread Jed Rothwell
Yeah Mizzou! The place is becoming my favorite university. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now!

2013-04-04 Thread Jed Rothwell
Kevin O'Malley wrote: > . . . there is no possible way to adequately explain the lack > of gammas in LENR - other than that they never happened at all. > I know little of theory, but that has long been my gut feeling. Some cold fusion cells to produce gamma rays but I think this is a secondary

[Vo]:mostly OT cancer breakthrough

2013-04-04 Thread Roarty, Francis X
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130403131354.htm

[Vo]:Evaluation of Uncertainties in Measurement of Isotopic Abundance by Semi-quantitative Analysis with TOF-SIMS

2013-04-04 Thread Jed Rothwell
This is a paper in the latest issue of J. Condensed Matter Nucl. Sic.: http://www.iscmns.org/CMNS/JCMNS-Vol11.pdf Over the years, many experts in mass spectroscopy have told me that SIMS can be inaccurate in some conditions, such as when one isotope is found in much lower concentration than anoth

RE: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now!

2013-04-04 Thread Jones Beene
There seems to be two different overlapping threads going on here, since Mark's original suggestion relating to subatomic quark resonance was hijacked (by moi) in favor of another related subject: "lack of gammas" in LENR. Apologies for that. However, in regard to the latter, the take-away messag

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Re: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now!

2013-04-04 Thread Kevin O'Malley
In the end, it should be crystal clear to anyone who understands nuclear engineering - that there is no possible way to adequately explain the lack of gammas in LENR - other than that they never happened at all. Jones ***This is an elegant aspect of the theory, it obeys Occham's Razor.

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2013-04-04 Thread Rich Murray
Thrusters powered by ionic wind as efficient alternative propulsion technology -- huge solar powered high altitude airships could spiral into orbit in a week, using their own H2 gas as reaction mass for myriad tiny thrusters: Rich Murray 2013.04.04 http://phys.org/news/2013-04-thrusters-powered-i