[Vo]:new publication
Dear Friends, Inspired by what has happened, and even more by what has NOT happened at ICCF-18, I have just oublished: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2013/08/lenr-very-necessary-changes.html It is a vacation month but very interesting things will happen soon. Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
RE: [Vo]:Test Message
You passed the somewhat off-beat test. And, arguably all others did as well when they did not respond. (They just acted at a level not exemplified by Koans.) . . . this primitive mailing list may not acknowledge the 21st century. But it still allows us to use a transformational technology generally recognized as being invented about 3200 BCE concerning a technology hopefully reaching the stage of practical implementation 'relatively' soon. It will work for me. Mason Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 21:29:56 -0400 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Test Message From: jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Mason Ainsworth wrote: Please respond if you don't get this. How can you respond if you do not get something?! "Raise your hand if you absent from class." Perhaps you refer to the emoji (絵文字). That did not come through. This is a primitive mailing list. ASCII only. We do not acknowledge the 21st Century. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Guy builds flight simulator at home with actual 737
I want the space shuttle version On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > A giant "boy toy" as the owner says. See the article and video here: > > > http://inhabitat.com/california-man-recycles-a-boeing-737-into-a-personal-in-home-flight-simulator/ > > I want that!! I would never have the skill or patience to build one, but I > sure would like to fly it. > > This would be even more fun that having a cold fusion experiment at home. > As Ed says, that is usually about as interesting as watching paint dry. > > - Jed > >
Re: [Vo]:Test Message
Mason Ainsworth wrote: > Please respond if you don't get this.[image: Emoji] > How can you respond if you do not get something?! "Raise your hand if you absent from class." Perhaps you refer to the emoji (絵文字). That did not come through. This is a primitive mailing list. ASCII only. We do not acknowledge the 21st Century. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Guy builds flight simulator at home with actual 737
I want it! Thanks, Jed. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson svjart.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/newvortex/
Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Guy builds flight simulator at home with actual 737
What about driving on the moon and moonng the lunar module? 2013/8/8 Jed Rothwell > A giant "boy toy" as the owner says. See the article and video here: > > > http://inhabitat.com/california-man-recycles-a-boeing-737-into-a-personal-in-home-flight-simulator/ > > I want that!! I would never have the skill or patience to build one, but I > sure would like to fly it. > > This would be even more fun that having a cold fusion experiment at home. > As Ed says, that is usually about as interesting as watching paint dry. > > - Jed > > -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Biocomputers, HeLa and the last laugh
haha harry On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: > This would be an appropriate point to insert the anecdotal video > "They're Made Out of Meat": > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tScAyNaRdQ > > Recognize our driver from "Cash Cab"? > >
[Vo]:Test Message
First email to this list. Please respond if you don't get this.😉
Re: [Vo]:Bosenova
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Thu, 8 Aug 2013 19:06:20 -0400: Hi Axil, [snip] >So sorry, please excuse me but the surface electrons on the surface of a >metal micro particle dont orbit. The oscillate in a dipole(s) upon the >surface of the micro particles n an electron gas. > > >In physics, a plasmon is a quantum of plasma oscillation. The plasmon is a >quantization of plasma oscillations just as photons and phonons are >quantizations of electromagnetic and mechanical vibrations, respectively. >Thus, plasmons are collective oscillations of the free electron gas >density, for example, at optical frequencies. Plasmons couple with a photon >(infrared) to create a quasiparticle called a plasma polariton. > >Look it up, Wikipedia is seldom wrong. All this is fine, but what does it have to do with what I wrote here below? (BTW I'm no great believer in IRH, I just wrote my opinion of how it might work, if it turns out to be correct.) > > >On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 6:32 PM, wrote: > >> In reply to Roarty, Francis X's message of Wed, 7 Aug 2013 18:23:01 +: >> Hi Fran, >> >> In IRH, the proton orbits the electron. >> >> The vastly larger mass of the proton is why the orbit is much smaller. In >> this >> state, the proton is essentially in the classical "ground state", so no >> variation in vacuum density is required. >> >> If you take the equation for the radius of the normal H atom, and >> substitute the >> mass of the proton for the mass of the electron, you will see what I mean. >> >> The energy release upon entering such a state is at least several hundred >> eV. (I >> calculate a maximum of 5 eV). Note however that the state relies upon >> the >> electron not being able to move, i.e. it is "stuck in place", and the >> actual >> radius of the proton orbit will depend on the degree to which it is >> "stuck", >> because the proton actually orbits around the center of mass. The >> "stuckness" of >> the electron determines it's apparent mass, and hence the CM radius. >> (This is the ping pong ball in the corner of the box again. I.e. the >> electron's >> real mass doesn't change, but it's apparent mass can be very large, if it's >> stuck in a rigid lattice. At least that's the only way I can make sense of >> IRH). >> >> BTW the reason that I say it stays shrunk is that it has lost so much >> energy >> when formed. In order to expand again it would have to get that energy back >> again, and unlike you, I don't think energy can be extracted from the ZPE >> (but I >> could be proven wrong). >> >> New idea (nothing to do with IRH): >> >> Perhaps a Hydrinohydride ion (negative) and a proton can orbit one another, >> analogous to positronium, but with the proton mass substituting for the >> electron >> mass? >> Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Bosenova
So sorry, please excuse me but the surface electrons on the surface of a metal micro particle don’t orbit. The oscillate in a dipole(s) upon the surface of the micro particles n an electron gas. In physics, a plasmon is a quantum of plasma oscillation. The plasmon is a quantization of plasma oscillations just as photons and phonons are quantizations of electromagnetic and mechanical vibrations, respectively. Thus, plasmons are collective oscillations of the free electron gas density, for example, at optical frequencies. Plasmons couple with a photon (infrared) to create a quasiparticle called a plasma polariton. Look it up, Wikipedia is seldom wrong. On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 6:32 PM, wrote: > In reply to Roarty, Francis X's message of Wed, 7 Aug 2013 18:23:01 +: > Hi Fran, > > In IRH, the proton orbits the electron. > > The vastly larger mass of the proton is why the orbit is much smaller. In > this > state, the proton is essentially in the classical "ground state", so no > variation in vacuum density is required. > > If you take the equation for the radius of the normal H atom, and > substitute the > mass of the proton for the mass of the electron, you will see what I mean. > > The energy release upon entering such a state is at least several hundred > eV. (I > calculate a maximum of 5 eV). Note however that the state relies upon > the > electron not being able to move, i.e. it is "stuck in place", and the > actual > radius of the proton orbit will depend on the degree to which it is > "stuck", > because the proton actually orbits around the center of mass. The > "stuckness" of > the electron determines it's apparent mass, and hence the CM radius. > (This is the ping pong ball in the corner of the box again. I.e. the > electron's > real mass doesn't change, but it's apparent mass can be very large, if it's > stuck in a rigid lattice. At least that's the only way I can make sense of > IRH). > > BTW the reason that I say it stays shrunk is that it has lost so much > energy > when formed. In order to expand again it would have to get that energy back > again, and unlike you, I don't think energy can be extracted from the ZPE > (but I > could be proven wrong). > > New idea (nothing to do with IRH): > > Perhaps a Hydrinohydride ion (negative) and a proton can orbit one another, > analogous to positronium, but with the proton mass substituting for the > electron > mass? > > >Hi Robin, > > We are at opposite opinions regarding IRH once shrunk... is there > any reason you think IRH would want to stay shrunk? The Puthoff model > posits that virtual particles push the electron away from the nucleus in > opposition to the electrical attraction establishing a balance.. Casimir > geometry suppresses the larger virtual particles reducing this opposition > to the electrons endless pursuit of the proton... This would mean that the > orbital will be pushed back up when the gas atom exits the geometry but in > both cases the orbital is in balance at a ground state established by > vacuum density. I am ok with chemical bonds opposing this transition and > can see IRH atoms forming molecules or ionic compounds that lock these > orbital in the shrunken state even when the geometry is removed but would > expect the orbital to return to equilibrium instantly when in the atomic > state. I suspect this pressure to return to normal ground state would even > discount the energy needed for these atoms to > >become monatomic. > >Fran > [snip] > Regards, > > Robin van Spaandonk > > http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html > >
Re: [Vo]:Bosenova
In reply to Roarty, Francis X's message of Wed, 7 Aug 2013 18:23:01 +: Hi Fran, In IRH, the proton orbits the electron. The vastly larger mass of the proton is why the orbit is much smaller. In this state, the proton is essentially in the classical "ground state", so no variation in vacuum density is required. If you take the equation for the radius of the normal H atom, and substitute the mass of the proton for the mass of the electron, you will see what I mean. The energy release upon entering such a state is at least several hundred eV. (I calculate a maximum of 5 eV). Note however that the state relies upon the electron not being able to move, i.e. it is "stuck in place", and the actual radius of the proton orbit will depend on the degree to which it is "stuck", because the proton actually orbits around the center of mass. The "stuckness" of the electron determines it's apparent mass, and hence the CM radius. (This is the ping pong ball in the corner of the box again. I.e. the electron's real mass doesn't change, but it's apparent mass can be very large, if it's stuck in a rigid lattice. At least that's the only way I can make sense of IRH). BTW the reason that I say it stays shrunk is that it has lost so much energy when formed. In order to expand again it would have to get that energy back again, and unlike you, I don't think energy can be extracted from the ZPE (but I could be proven wrong). New idea (nothing to do with IRH): Perhaps a Hydrinohydride ion (negative) and a proton can orbit one another, analogous to positronium, but with the proton mass substituting for the electron mass? >Hi Robin, > We are at opposite opinions regarding IRH once shrunk... is there any > reason you think IRH would want to stay shrunk? The Puthoff model posits that > virtual particles push the electron away from the nucleus in opposition to > the electrical attraction establishing a balance.. Casimir geometry > suppresses the larger virtual particles reducing this opposition to the > electrons endless pursuit of the proton... This would mean that the orbital > will be pushed back up when the gas atom exits the geometry but in both cases > the orbital is in balance at a ground state established by vacuum density. I > am ok with chemical bonds opposing this transition and can see IRH atoms > forming molecules or ionic compounds that lock these orbital in the shrunken > state even when the geometry is removed but would expect the orbital to > return to equilibrium instantly when in the atomic state. I suspect this > pressure to return to normal ground state would even discount the energy > needed for these atoms to >become monatomic. >Fran [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
[Vo]:OFF TOPIC Guy builds flight simulator at home with actual 737
A giant "boy toy" as the owner says. See the article and video here: http://inhabitat.com/california-man-recycles-a-boeing-737-into-a-personal-in-home-flight-simulator/ I want that!! I would never have the skill or patience to build one, but I sure would like to fly it. This would be even more fun that having a cold fusion experiment at home. As Ed says, that is usually about as interesting as watching paint dry. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Conductivity fluctuations in PdH
I saw no reference to polariton Bose-Einstein condensation in these references. The orthodox science approach reflected in these papers still does not yet understand where superconductivity comes from in a LENR system. On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 4:31 PM, wrote: > Possibly this is an old Vortex topic, but, in case not, here are some > papers on anomalous conductivity fluctuations in PdH films - > > Magnetic and Transport Properties of PdH: > Intriguing Superconductive Observations > http://www.sbfisica.org.br/bjp/files/v34_1177.pdf > > Answer to the remarks on superconductivity in PdH > http://www.heraphysics.it/jal-3.pdf > > A REVIEW OF HIGH TEMPERATURE SUPERCONDUCTING PROPERTY OF PDH SYSTEM > http://www.heraphysics.it/IJMPB.pdf > > EFFECTS OF SUPERCONDUCTOR ELECTRON SCREENING ON FUSION REACTION RATES > > http://scholar.googleusercontent.com/scholar?q=cache:jxwrcgk20jIJ:scholar.google.com/&hl=en&as_sdt=0,23 > > High Temperature Superconductivity In Pd-[H(D)]X System > http://repository.ias.ac.in/64628/1/11-auth.pdf > > Achieving coherent phase transition in palladium–hydrogen thin films > > http://physics.mff.cuni.cz/kfnt/pas/files/publications/2011/papers/Wagner_Scripta-Mater_64_978_2011.pdf > > > >
[Vo]:Conductivity fluctuations in PdH
Possibly this is an old Vortex topic, but, in case not, here are some papers on anomalous conductivity fluctuations in PdH films - Magnetic and Transport Properties of PdH: Intriguing Superconductive Observations http://www.sbfisica.org.br/bjp/files/v34_1177.pdf Answer to the remarks on superconductivity in PdH http://www.heraphysics.it/jal-3.pdf A REVIEW OF HIGH TEMPERATURE SUPERCONDUCTING PROPERTY OF PDH SYSTEM http://www.heraphysics.it/IJMPB.pdf EFFECTS OF SUPERCONDUCTOR ELECTRON SCREENING ON FUSION REACTION RATES http://scholar.googleusercontent.com/scholar?q=cache:jxwrcgk20jIJ:scholar.google.com/&hl=en&as_sdt=0,23 High Temperature Superconductivity In Pd-[H(D)]X System http://repository.ias.ac.in/64628/1/11-auth.pdf Achieving coherent phase transition in palladiumhydrogen thin films http://physics.mff.cuni.cz/kfnt/pas/files/publications/2011/papers/Wagner_Scripta-Mater_64_978_2011.pdf
Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27%
On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 5:18 AM, blaze spinnaker wrote: Of course, another possibility may be that LENR isn't real so the market is > ignoring it. > The thought occurred to me. But even if the majority of people didn't think LENR is real, I assume that a portion of them would think it might be real, or would be willing at least to hedge their bets. If everyone investing in the market knew about LENR, I would expect there to be a different outcome than a simple downward trend, starting at the beginning of 2011. More likely, it seems to me, in order for a market to be useful for the purposes of prediction (assuming this is something that can even happen), the participants have to have reviewed the relevant information and come to an opinion. If a market is swamped by people who do not even have an opinion, I think the effect would be hard to distinguish from people ignoring LENR. This is something that distinguishes the stock market in general from a place like Innotrade, where, presumably, the wording of the contracts gets people thinking about the topic in question enough for them to have an opinion before placing a bet. While it is possible that nickel is such a commodity that LENR use would not make a dent in it, I think this is a little implausible. Should the news break that this stuff is the real thing, there will be large investors that will try to corner the market. That will also cause any small investors to benefit if they got in early. I have no opinion on the details about the pricing of futures trades, which could perhaps change peoples' cost-benefit analysis enough that they're ignored. Any strategy that requires precise timing is obviously risky. Eric
[Vo]:new "free-energy" magazine, some lenr
http://coldfusionnow.org/pulse-magazine-debuts-with-first-issue-as-premium/ Content issue #1 * Energy turnaround or revolution * Close Encounters * 10.000 euro for Global BEM * Yildiz all-magnet motor postponed * Defkalion develops household device * Conference 2013 * Awakening * Ancient energy generating stone structures * Energy of Love * Changing the world * Post conference blues * Conference 2012 * Column: Ill fares the globe * Media affilliates (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:Is Cold Fusion Entering the Final Stages?
I suspect Murphy's laws applies to LENR industry If you read the story of Defkalion (Peter know it well), you see that they have a privileged contract with Murphy. Even the demo for ICCF18 was featuring few Murphy's gems... I suspect that Rossi, and others have good relationship with Murphy ;-) 5 years... it takes 5 years from first proof of concept to tiny market sale. of course every supporter and entrepreneur sincerely judge it will be done earlier in next 6 month... after 4.5 years they are often right. 2013/8/8 Jed Rothwell > "Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it > is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." > > - Winston Churchill, November 1942 > > > http://www.winstonchurchill.org/learn/speeches/speeches-of-winston-churchill/1941-1945-war-leader/987-the-end-of-the-beginning > >
Re: [Vo]:Is Cold Fusion Entering the Final Stages?
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." - Winston Churchill, November 1942 http://www.winstonchurchill.org/learn/speeches/speeches-of-winston-churchill/1941-1945-war-leader/987-the-end-of-the-beginning
Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27%
I hope that future generations are smart enough not to muck up the world with their endless playing around. The complexity of our environment far surpasses our ability to safely modify it. Dave -Original Message- From: ChemE Stewart To: vortex-l Sent: Thu, Aug 8, 2013 12:07 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27% I think our atmosphere will be artificial also. Too many germs in our current one On Thursday, August 8, 2013, Axil Axil wrote: Once science understands and gainstotal control of the nucleus of the atom, it will be possible to produce a 3Dprinter that can replicate products from a detailed specification stored in adata file. Carbon from the atmosphere might wellsupply the feedstock for the atomic mass as required input for productreplication. The customized output product will be supplied locally directly tothe customer from a home based replicator unit. On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Axil Axil wrote: This thread suffers from concept dissidence. The characterof the elements consumed or transmuted by a LENR reactor is based on thedetails of the design of the LENR reaction. For example, the Defkalion reactordoes not consume nickel, it actually produces it. This reactor type consumeshydrogen and other catalytic elements to produce light elements such as boronand beryllium. A person who bets on what the LENR reaction will do, is wellserved by a detailed study of the particular characteristics of the various LENRreactions that might be commercialized. Furthermore, from the experimental results of LeClair, anyelements can be transmuted from water using the LENR reaction. The speculator might befit from ashorting strategy that targets every industry that is currently established.These industries will all become obsolete in the due course of time and replacedwith a new paradigm of industrialization. On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 11:04 AM, David Roberson wrote: I think you might be correct in the long run about tar sands. The main problem is figuring out what option terms are appropriate or even available. For some reason, change takes much longer than we suspect so timing will be important and many of us will become bored waiting. How long did it take for the transistor to displace tubes after its invention? There is a long list of delayed and lost investment potentials. Dave -Original Message- From: blaze spinnaker To: vortex-l Sent: Thu, Aug 8, 2013 10:33 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27% I suspect the biggest impact will be on such uneconomical (and highly polluting) energy sources such as the Oil Sands in Canada. Buying long term put options on those seems like a smart play (with appropriate inflation hedges). On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 7:10 AM, David Roberson wrote:
[Vo]:Is Cold Fusion Entering the Final Stages?
oilprice.com Is Cold Fusion Entering the Final Stages? http://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Nuclear-Power/Is-Cold-Fusion-Entering-the-Final-Stages.html source of article: http://newenergyandfuel.com/http:/newenergyandfuel/com/2013/08/06/a-cold-fusion-update/ harry
Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27%
I think our atmosphere will be artificial also. Too many germs in our current one On Thursday, August 8, 2013, Axil Axil wrote: > Once science understands and gains total control of the nucleus of the > atom, it will be possible to produce a 3D printer that can replicate > products from a detailed specification stored in a data file. > > > > Carbon from the atmosphere might well supply the feedstock for the atomic > mass as required input for product replication. The customized output > product will be supplied locally directly to the customer from a home based > replicator unit. > > > > > On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Axil Axil wrote: > > This thread suffers from concept dissidence. The character of the elements > consumed or transmuted by a LENR reactor is based on the details of the > design of the LENR reaction. For example, the Defkalion reactor does not > consume nickel, it actually produces it. This reactor type consumes > hydrogen and other catalytic elements to produce light elements such as > boron and beryllium. > > > > > > A person who bets on what the LENR reaction will do, is well served by a > detailed study of the particular characteristics of the various LENR > reactions that might be commercialized. > > > > > > Furthermore, from the experimental results of LeClair, any elements can be > transmuted from water using the LENR reaction. > > > > > > The speculator might befit from a shorting strategy that targets every > industry that is currently established. These industries will all become > obsolete in the due course of time and replaced with a new paradigm of > industrialization. > > > On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 11:04 AM, David Roberson wrote: > > I think you might be correct in the long run about tar sands. The main > problem is figuring out what option terms are appropriate or even > available. For some reason, change takes much longer than we suspect so > timing will be important and many of us will become bored waiting. How > long did it take for the transistor to displace tubes after its invention? > There is a long list of delayed and lost investment potentials. > > Dave > > > -Original Message- > From: blaze spinnaker > To: vortex-l > Sent: Thu, Aug 8, 2013 10:33 am > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, > now ~27% > > I suspect the biggest impact will be on such uneconomical (and highly > polluting) energy sources such as the Oil Sands in Canada. Buying long > term put options on those seems like a smart play (with appropriate > inflation hedges). > > On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 7:10 AM, David Roberson wrote: > >
Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27%
Once science understands and gains total control of the nucleus of the atom, it will be possible to produce a 3D printer that can replicate products from a detailed specification stored in a data file. Carbon from the atmosphere might well supply the feedstock for the atomic mass as required input for product replication. The customized output product will be supplied locally directly to the customer from a home based replicator unit. On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Axil Axil wrote: > This thread suffers from concept dissidence. The character of the elements > consumed or transmuted by a LENR reactor is based on the details of the > design of the LENR reaction. For example, the Defkalion reactor does not > consume nickel, it actually produces it. This reactor type consumes > hydrogen and other catalytic elements to produce light elements such as > boron and beryllium. > > > > > > A person who bets on what the LENR reaction will do, is well served by a > detailed study of the particular characteristics of the various LENR > reactions that might be commercialized. > > > > > > Furthermore, from the experimental results of LeClair, any elements can be > transmuted from water using the LENR reaction. > > > > > > The speculator might befit from a shorting strategy that targets every > industry that is currently established. These industries will all become > obsolete in the due course of time and replaced with a new paradigm of > industrialization. > > > On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 11:04 AM, David Roberson wrote: > >> I think you might be correct in the long run about tar sands. The main >> problem is figuring out what option terms are appropriate or even >> available. For some reason, change takes much longer than we suspect so >> timing will be important and many of us will become bored waiting. How >> long did it take for the transistor to displace tubes after its invention? >> There is a long list of delayed and lost investment potentials. >> >> Dave >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: blaze spinnaker >> To: vortex-l >> Sent: Thu, Aug 8, 2013 10:33 am >> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, >> now ~27% >> >> I suspect the biggest impact will be on such uneconomical (and highly >> polluting) energy sources such as the Oil Sands in Canada. Buying long >> term put options on those seems like a smart play (with appropriate >> inflation hedges). >> >> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 7:10 AM, David Roberson wrote: >> >>> Rossi claims that the total usage of nickel by LENR devices will be >>> small compared to the current demand. Couple this extra small demand with >>> a long delay before large production and you observe what is happening in >>> the market. LENR should have a minor effect unless psychology boosts >>> expectations. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: blaze spinnaker >>> To: vortex-l >>> Sent: Thu, Aug 8, 2013 8:18 am >>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, >>> now ~27% >>> >>> "What part of the analysis am I getting wrong?" >>> >>> The problem with futures is storage fees tend to overwhelm price >>> movements. Plus the nickel promised by those futures might not even be the >>> type of nickel you can use for LENR. >>> >>> If you were going to use the market, I'd look more at nickel miners >>> who be well situated to pull out and refine the type of nickel needed for >>> these devices. >>> >>> Of course, another possibility may be that LENR isn't real so the >>> market is ignoring it. >>> >>> >>> >> >
RE: [Vo]:Biocomputers, HeLa and the last laugh
Yes... strangely apropos of everything ... -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton This would be an appropriate point to insert the anecdotal video "They're Made Out of Meat": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tScAyNaRdQ
Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27%
This thread suffers from concept dissidence. The character of the elements consumed or transmuted by a LENR reactor is based on the details of the design of the LENR reaction. For example, the Defkalion reactor does not consume nickel, it actually produces it. This reactor type consumes hydrogen and other catalytic elements to produce light elements such as boron and beryllium. A person who bets on what the LENR reaction will do, is well served by a detailed study of the particular characteristics of the various LENR reactions that might be commercialized. Furthermore, from the experimental results of LeClair, any elements can be transmuted from water using the LENR reaction. The speculator might befit from a shorting strategy that targets every industry that is currently established. These industries will all become obsolete in the due course of time and replaced with a new paradigm of industrialization. On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 11:04 AM, David Roberson wrote: > I think you might be correct in the long run about tar sands. The main > problem is figuring out what option terms are appropriate or even > available. For some reason, change takes much longer than we suspect so > timing will be important and many of us will become bored waiting. How > long did it take for the transistor to displace tubes after its invention? > There is a long list of delayed and lost investment potentials. > > Dave > > > -Original Message- > From: blaze spinnaker > To: vortex-l > Sent: Thu, Aug 8, 2013 10:33 am > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, > now ~27% > > I suspect the biggest impact will be on such uneconomical (and highly > polluting) energy sources such as the Oil Sands in Canada. Buying long > term put options on those seems like a smart play (with appropriate > inflation hedges). > > On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 7:10 AM, David Roberson wrote: > >> Rossi claims that the total usage of nickel by LENR devices will be small >> compared to the current demand. Couple this extra small demand with a long >> delay before large production and you observe what is happening in the >> market. LENR should have a minor effect unless psychology boosts >> expectations. >> >> Dave >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: blaze spinnaker >> To: vortex-l >> Sent: Thu, Aug 8, 2013 8:18 am >> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, >> now ~27% >> >> "What part of the analysis am I getting wrong?" >> >> The problem with futures is storage fees tend to overwhelm price >> movements. Plus the nickel promised by those futures might not even be the >> type of nickel you can use for LENR. >> >> If you were going to use the market, I'd look more at nickel miners who >> be well situated to pull out and refine the type of nickel needed for these >> devices. >> >> Of course, another possibility may be that LENR isn't real so the >> market is ignoring it. >> >> >> >
Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27%
I think you might be correct in the long run about tar sands. The main problem is figuring out what option terms are appropriate or even available. For some reason, change takes much longer than we suspect so timing will be important and many of us will become bored waiting. How long did it take for the transistor to displace tubes after its invention? There is a long list of delayed and lost investment potentials. Dave -Original Message- From: blaze spinnaker To: vortex-l Sent: Thu, Aug 8, 2013 10:33 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27% I suspect the biggest impact will be on such uneconomical (and highly polluting) energy sources such as the Oil Sands in Canada. Buying long term put options on those seems like a smart play (with appropriate inflation hedges). On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 7:10 AM, David Roberson wrote: Rossi claims that the total usage of nickel by LENR devices will be small compared to the current demand. Couple this extra small demand with a long delay before large production and you observe what is happening in the market. LENR should have a minor effect unless psychology boosts expectations. Dave -Original Message- From: blaze spinnaker To: vortex-l Sent: Thu, Aug 8, 2013 8:18 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27% "What part of the analysis am I getting wrong?" The problem with futures is storage fees tend to overwhelm price movements. Plus the nickel promised by those futures might not even be the type of nickel you can use for LENR. If you were going to use the market, I'd look more at nickel miners who be well situated to pull out and refine the type of nickel needed for these devices. Of course, another possibility may be that LENR isn't real so the market is ignoring it.
Re: [Vo]:Biocomputers, HeLa and the last laugh
This would be an appropriate point to insert the anecdotal video "They're Made Out of Meat": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tScAyNaRdQ Recognize our driver from "Cash Cab"?
Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27%
I suspect the biggest impact will be on such uneconomical (and highly polluting) energy sources such as the Oil Sands in Canada. Buying long term put options on those seems like a smart play (with appropriate inflation hedges). On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 7:10 AM, David Roberson wrote: > Rossi claims that the total usage of nickel by LENR devices will be small > compared to the current demand. Couple this extra small demand with a long > delay before large production and you observe what is happening in the > market. LENR should have a minor effect unless psychology boosts > expectations. > > Dave > > > -Original Message- > From: blaze spinnaker > To: vortex-l > Sent: Thu, Aug 8, 2013 8:18 am > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, > now ~27% > > "What part of the analysis am I getting wrong?" > > The problem with futures is storage fees tend to overwhelm price > movements. Plus the nickel promised by those futures might not even be the > type of nickel you can use for LENR. > > If you were going to use the market, I'd look more at nickel miners who > be well situated to pull out and refine the type of nickel needed for these > devices. > > Of course, another possibility may be that LENR isn't real so the market > is ignoring it. > > >
[Vo]:Biocomputers, HeLa and the last laugh
Food for thought (following the recent introduction of "artificial meat"). This may be a bit off topic, if not indigestible - unless you look at Vortex as your forum for futurism - of many varieties besides new-energy. Have you heard of the "isolated" brain? What about "gene doping" or the Biocomputer or "True North"? In 2002, researchers from the Weizmann Institute unveiled a programmable molecular computing machine composed of DNA stands instead of silicon microchips. A single strand of DNA can store Gigabytes more efficiently than any chip. By 2004 they had constructed a DNA computer coupled with an input/output module. In 2004 DeMarse made an adaptive flight controller with living neuronal networks on microelectrode arrays. In 2008 Georgia Tech researchers created neurological "entities" integrated with a robot body. In January 2013, researchers were able to store a JPEG photograph and an audio file of MLK's speech I Have a Dream on DNA data storage. In March 2013, researchers created the "transcriptor" (a biological transistor which can further integrate bio with electro allowing cross-communication). In August 2013 IBM researchers unveil TrueNorth, a new computer architecture that imitates how a brain works. In all of these cases, when DNA was used, it came from the immortal cell line called "HeLa." This line of human cells which do not age or die - could conceivably outlive humanity, which is most ironic given the circumstances of its conception. MLK could scarcely have dreamt of such a outcome. In essence, Henrietta Lacks - who was the source of this cell line is now a 20 ton immortal woman, who technically did not die of cancer in 1951, since her cells have been kept alive and are multiplying in Labs all over the World at the rate of several tons per year ... and are becoming "smarter" by the day, in the various ways which will eventually lead to the hybrid biocomputer. Gene doping may eventually make the immortal cell line a little less like Henrietta, but there are ~30,000 human genes and only a few can be permanently implanted at a time without compromising the carrier. Hopefully, among the genes inserted permanently will be those control mental functionality at the highest possible level. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henrietta_Lacks What's the world coming to? There are many nuances to this story, which is beyond SciFi on one level but true on another. Here's one: imagine the merger of the Smart-Phone and the Petri Dish :-) Seriously. The screen has been morphed into an array of transcriptors, which allows the analog neurons to control the digital switches or the eight processors in the way that only the human mind can do. Of course the HeLa line used for this invention has been doped with the human brain genes of Einstein, or some other genius. (Al's pickled brain is cubed and "available" shall we say). As biocomputers further develop over time and are hybridized with microelectronics - then at some point the prospect of physical immortality will be just too appealing to a very wealthy person, near death. He (or she) will greatly desire to provide a proper receptacle for continued existence at almost any cost (knowing that St. Peter will have probably other ideas for the upcoming accommodations). Steve Jobs would have given this a try, but he was always ahead of his time, so to speak. Gates may go for it, or Ellison for sure. Koch may even have a law on the books demanding it, when his time has come. The "donor" (soul donor, so to speak) will have already had some of his genes "doped" into the HeLa line (if this hasn't happened already in 2013, and I bet it has - for some of the above candidates). From there on, with brain wave analysis, and "rewritten" memories, it could be like upgrading to a new hard disk. The only problem is this, how many the genes be transferred, as well as how much of the distinctive personal information? There are no guarantees and Larry may end-up more like Henrietta than Larry. Oops. The task would presumably be facilitated by having the "bio" part of the machine be configured in such a way that the information "transfer" (real or imaginary) could take place gradually over a few weeks, with proper testing and so forth - after which the "cord" will be cut... or pulled if it is USB :-)... ...several ethical questions remain, like what to do with the old carcass. And what is the cost of immortality? Even at a few billion, it would be MasterCard-priceless ... to most of the Forbes 100. However, Henrietta could have the last say on the success of the immortality project - especially if Aristotle was correct. It is not wise to bet against Ari. Aristotle looked at the "soul" pretty much as we look at DNA - as a physical manifestation of the mature body along with all the imprinted changes over time ... and he was probably correct to some degree. By the time this kind of new "business opportunity" happens (soul-in-a-box), however, HeLa will probably weigh
Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27%
Rossi claims that the total usage of nickel by LENR devices will be small compared to the current demand. Couple this extra small demand with a long delay before large production and you observe what is happening in the market. LENR should have a minor effect unless psychology boosts expectations. Dave -Original Message- From: blaze spinnaker To: vortex-l Sent: Thu, Aug 8, 2013 8:18 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27% "What part of the analysis am I getting wrong?" The problem with futures is storage fees tend to overwhelm price movements. Plus the nickel promised by those futures might not even be the type of nickel you can use for LENR. If you were going to use the market, I'd look more at nickel miners who be well situated to pull out and refine the type of nickel needed for these devices. Of course, another possibility may be that LENR isn't real so the market is ignoring it.
Re: [Vo]:Let me know if you cannot access something at LENR-CANR.org
blaze spinnaker wrote: > > Being able to sort by impact factor would even be more interesting, but I > can imagine that'd be hard to set up. > Not hard to set up, but where would I find the data? Who can measure the "impact factor"? I do not even know what it is. What are the metrics? - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion going public in October?
blaze spinnaker wrote: > > I guess this should help clarify things: > Clear as mud! - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Let me know if you cannot access something at LENR-CANR.org
Yeah, that helps a bit. Still not sorting though :) Being able to sort by impact factor would even be more interesting, but I can imagine that'd be hard to set up. On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > blaze spinnaker wrote: > > >> Being able to sort on Journal would be handy as well. Currently I think >> you can only sort on author. > > > See: > > http://lenr-canr.org/wordpress/?page_id=1095 > > Select SEARCH and Publisher > > Instructions: > > http://lenr-canr.org/wordpress/?page_id=1172 > > - Jed > >
[Vo]:Defkalion going public in October?
http://www.e-catworld.com/2013/08/defkalion-ceo-entering-the-toronto-stock-exchange-this-year/ I guess this should help clarify things: The title of the article is “The return of Defkalion” and the journalist who wrote the article, Kafantaris Tasos, visited DGT’s CEO Alex Xanthoulis in an office in Athens, Greece. Xanthoulis explained that he has moved back to Greece, but the Vancouver presence remains in place. In Greece there will be a manufacturing of engines for ships and desalination plants (non-profit enterprise) Xanthoulis states that there are business partnerships in place which are for now confidential. When asked what the next step was, the CEO stated that scientifically it would be “optimization of the model”. In business terms it would be entry onto the Toronto Stock Exchange which they think they can join after October 15th. This will be followed by a ‘roadshow’ to promote the stock. As part of the registration of the stock they will have to disclose the partners — this should happen in October.
Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27%
"What part of the analysis am I getting wrong?" The problem with futures is storage fees tend to overwhelm price movements. Plus the nickel promised by those futures might not even be the type of nickel you can use for LENR. If you were going to use the market, I'd look more at nickel miners who be well situated to pull out and refine the type of nickel needed for these devices. Of course, another possibility may be that LENR isn't real so the market is ignoring it.
Re: [Vo]:Let me know if you cannot access something at LENR-CANR.org
Thanks for the efforts Jed. I can access without problems from The Netherlands.
