Axil Axil wrote:
By the way, IMHO, no industrial heat boiler is restricted to producing a
> constant amount of heat. These units are "heat on demand" systems.
>
Yes, of course. Those are actual, real-world boilers. Rossi's device is
fake. The data shows it produces the same amount of heat even w
By the way, IMHO, no industrial heat boiler is restricted to producing a
constant amount of heat. These units are "heat on demand" systems.
A thermostatically controlled valve controls the flow of steam into the
customer's process.
On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 9:28 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> Axil Axi
Axil Axil wrote:
When steam is required, water is removed from the circuit and sent to the
> customer, then that condensed water from condensed steam is return to the
> circuit.
>
Perhaps you are suggesting that heat not needed is dumped out. The
imaginary heat rate is 1 MW but some fraction goe
Daniel Rocha wrote:
Now, you are pretending you are not understanding.
>
Nope. Not pretending. I really, truly have no idea what you are talking
about, or what web site you refer to. I do not have ESP.
- Jed
Now, you are pretending you are not understanding.
2016-08-15 19:48 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell :
> Daniel Rocha wrote:
>
> What is in that website makes it easy to come up with 1MW.
>>
>
>
When steam is required, water is removed from the circuit and sent to the
customer, then that condensed water from condensed steam is return to the
circuit. This simplifies the "steam on demand" control logic and does not
effect the pump speed. The only component that the logic effects is a water
d
The flow meter flow values implies that the steam flow control logic might
not have affected the pump speeds used to circulate water between the
reactor and the company. Do you have the piping layout?
On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 8:36 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> Axil Axil wrote:
>
>
>> There must have
Peter--
Me thinks arrogance and stupidity are brothers in the same family.
Bob Cook
From: Peter Gluck
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 7:50 AM
To: VORTEX
Subject: Re: [Vo]:LENR energy dispute, straight answer to Jed Rothwell
who has inspired you to this idea of
Axil Axil wrote:
> There must have been an "heat on demand" relationship between the customer
> and the reactor such that the demand for heat varied with the "maximum heat
> production rate" being limited to 3.66 gallons per second. Rossi's reactor
> control mechanism must self throttle to reduc
The water warmed from 13C to 75C at 1 MW/second is 3.66 gallons per second.
There must have been an "heat on demand" relationship between the customer
and the reactor such that the demand for heat varied with the "maximum heat
production rate" being limited to 3.66 gallons per second. Rossi's reac
Daniel Rocha wrote:
What is in that website makes it easy to come up with 1MW.
>
What website? What do you mean "come up with"?
- Jed
What is in that website makes it easy to come up with 1MW.
2016-08-15 19:28 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell :
> That's all they needed for 20 kW(correct: 1MW).
>
>
>
>
Andrea Rossi
April 8, 2016 at 9:54 AM
Teemu:
I knew the Customer in the office of my Attorney Henry Johnson. They were
enthusiast to test our 1 MW plant, to see if it really worked, because they
were ( and are ) interested to buy more plants for their facilities in
Europe. They wanted not to be exp
Daniel Rocha wrote:
Large trucks are not automotives.
>
I think you mean "automobiles." The word "automotive" means:
"of, relating to, or concerned with motor vehicles."
That includes trucks in U.S. jargon.
> And it is not written that there are more than 1.
>
I do not know what that means
http://joam.inoe.ro/arhiva/pdf6_3/Lucaci.pdf
A NEW FAMILY OF NICKEL POWDER FOR ELECTRICAL ENGINEERING APPLICATIONS
Quote: "The specific surface area values using BET method show that the
chemically processed Ni powders have a very high specific surface area (>
60 m 2 /g), which recommend them for
Not a good idea for both of us, given that neither of us can do that.
2016-08-15 19:09 GMT-03:00 Giovanni Santostasi :
> Good idea.
>
See if you can get the water bills of JM products.
Good idea.
Also the list of the personnel, shipments received and sent and so on.
Easily subpoena documents.
Rossi should get them to defend himself and IH to make a strong case
against Rossi.
I just hope IH doesn't settle just to get rid of Ros
Occam razor demands nothing here.
2016-08-15 19:00 GMT-03:00 Giovanni Santostasi :
>
> Occam'razor basically demands that Rossi=customer= no heat produced.
>
>
>
Finally Axil-Axil arrived and he brings with him the usual fantastic
speculations.
Axil-Axil, IH bought all the eCat related IP from Rossi. If the creation of
the catalyst is essential to the eCat working properly Rossi had to reveal
the production of the catalyst by contract. Keeping it secret was
See if you can get the water bills of JM products.
On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 5:56 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> Axil Axil wrote:
>
> How did Rossi become familiar with this customer who is really holding
>> their technology very closely?
>>
>
> It is obvious how he became familiar with the customer.
1.It's on google earth, the exit. 2.The same. 3. Check 1
2016-08-15 18:22 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell :
> You need to address the technical issues. You have not done this.
>
>
>
Axil Axil wrote:
How did Rossi become familiar with this customer who is really holding
> their technology very closely?
>
It is obvious how he became familiar with the customer. The customer is
Rossi's own lawyer! They made up the stuff about closely held technology.
There is no sign of product
Large trucks are not automotives. And it is not written that there are more
than 1.
2016-08-15 18:14 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell :
> Let me copy this from inside another thread.
>
> Here is what Rossi actually has: an automotive radiator. See the photos
> here:
>
> https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/ind
The reaction that Rossi's customer has come up with is just as mysterious
as the one that Rossi is using. How did Rossi become familiar with this
customer who is really holding their technology very closely?
A SPECULATIVE answer to this might be that Rossi is a customer of this
secretive customer.
Daniel Rocha wrote:
Who cares who cooled 1MW? It can be cooled.
>
Sure. If you have very large vents, or a chiller the size of a truck, 1 MW
can be cooled. No one disputes that.
The problem is: there is no such equipment at this site. No one saw it. It
does not show up in photographs. Rossi nev
Daniel Rocha wrote:
That is a fixed idea of yours, I can't argue with that.
>
You can easily argue with this. Just show:
1. How is it possible to cool the warehouse with equipment shown in the
photographs.
2. What endothermic industrial process can remove nearly all heat, and what
sort of cool
*Why are you insisting with a "magic" endothermic reactor?*
Why Rossi says works just when sometime and other when he makes no sense at
at all it doesn't matter?
That is what he says, that the heat was mostly used for an endothermic
reaction. I have explained that if you do the math you get tons o
Who cares who cooled 1MW? It can be cooled.
2016-08-15 18:05 GMT-03:00 Giovanni Santostasi :
> Who cooled?
>
That is a fixed idea of yours, I can't argue with that.
2016-08-15 18:04 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell :
> He never produced more than 20 kW in Florida and he never cooled anything
> larger than that.
>
>
Let me copy this from inside another thread.
Here is what Rossi actually has: an automotive radiator. See the photos
here:
https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/3626-
Industrial-Heat-Amends-Answer-to-Rossi%E2%80%99s-Complaint-
on-Aug-11th/?postID=32735#post32735
I suppose that is all
Who cooled? You believe anything Rossi says?
On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote:
> Why are you insisting with a "magic" endothermic reactor? Endothermic can
> just mean anything that cools the input. He cooled 500kw-1000MW before. Not
> a big deal.
>
> 2016-08-15 17:40 GMT-03:00
Daniel Rocha wrote:
Why are you insisting with a "magic" endothermic reactor?
>
That is an inside joke. Some people here and elsewhere insist there can be
an industrial endothermic process that magically swallows up all of the
heat. That is impossible.
> Endothermic can just mean anything tha
Why are you insisting with a "magic" endothermic reactor? Endothermic can
just mean anything that cools the input. He cooled 500kw-1000MW before. Not
a big deal.
2016-08-15 17:40 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell :
>
>
> More to the point, why would Rossi hide this equipment? It would prove
> that he really
Daniel Rocha wrote:
It fits well inside the room.
>
What fits well inside a room? A vent? You have to put on the roof or does
no good. It is the size of a person, as I noted.
A water or air-cooled chiller of 1 MW capacity is the size of 2 or 3
automobiles. You could put the water cooled one ind
It fits well inside the room. It looks like Rossi used something of these
in his filmed 1MW experiment. The exist vent was quite of the same size of
that one in google maps.
2016-08-15 16:17 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell :
>
> Needless to say, there is no such machine outside the facility. There are
> a
Rather, not easier, but 1MW is not too much
2016-08-15 16:54 GMT-03:00 Daniel Rocha :
> I think the problem is keeping T0 constant or low. Suppose T0=20C, T1=100,
> T2=70
>
> 10^6=4^10^2*D*L*(100-60)/(log((100-20)/(70-20))~1.0*10^8
>
> D*L~40
>
> The higher the energy to be exchanged, the easier
I think the problem is keeping T0 constant or low. Suppose T0=20C, T1=100,
T2=70
10^6=4^10^2*D*L*(100-60)/(log((100-20)/(70-20))~1.0*10^8
D*L~40
The higher the energy to be exchanged, the easier is to build the system.
2016-08-15 13:41 GMT-03:00 Giovanni Santostasi :
> So actually the soluti
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/08/aug-15-2016-lenr-vladimir-vysotskii.html
a very interesting paper by Vysotskii at ICF-20!
Dispute as usual
best,
Peter
--
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
I wrote:
> A normal commercial building in Florida has a 2" water supply pipe, which
> is not large enough for the flow of water you need to keep the temperature
> below the legal maximum of 80°C, with 1 MW of heat.
>
> 1 MJ/s = 239,000 calories/s. 80°C - 20°C = 60°C. 239,000 calories / 60°C =
>
One more calculation. Using equation given in previous message, if you are
using pipes with one cm diameter and a differential between in and out
temperatures of 60 degrees, you need 12 km worth of pipes to get rid of 1
MW.
Please check my calculations but again if this is true it gives a good
men
So actually the solution for the differential equation of a heat exchanger
is the following:
dQ/dt=h*D*L*(T1-T2)/log( (T1-T0)/(T2-T0))
where Q is the heat exchanged, h is the heat transfer coefficient (if you
have a pipe made of steel and water is the cooling material h=400 W/m^2 K),
D is the siz
Do not need any memory, google has a lot of it.
On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 12:10 PM, Giovanni Santostasi wrote:
> Why is relevant?
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Peter Gluck
> wrote:
>
>> so I have a good memory or not?
>> can you answer?
>> peter
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 6:35 PM, Gi
Why is relevant?
On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Peter Gluck wrote:
> so I have a good memory or not?
> can you answer?
> peter
>
> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 6:35 PM, Giovanni Santostasi <
> gsantost...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> And?
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Peter Gluck
>> wrote:
>
Peter:
*very simple in principle and the drain carries so much warm water with
ease in an industrial area.*
It is NOT an industrial area. And that is an essential part of what Jed and
I are communicating over and over.
On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Giovanni Santostasi wrote:
> Jed calcula
Jed calculations is an order of estimate but actually on the conservative
side:
1 MJ/s = 239,000 calories/s. 80°C - 20°C = 60°C. 239,000 calories / 60°C =
3,983 g/s = 239 L/min (61 gallons), which far exceeds the capacity of the
entire building.
It would take time to heat up the water to 80 degre
so I have a good memory or not?
can you answer?
peter
On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 6:35 PM, Giovanni Santostasi
wrote:
> And?
>
> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Peter Gluck
> wrote:
>
>> Giovanni, just to check my memory- aren't you a known transhumanism
>> author too, or it is only a coincidence
And?
On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Peter Gluck wrote:
> Giovanni, just to check my memory- aren't you a known transhumanism
> author too, or it is only a coincidence of names?
> peter
>
> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 6:06 PM, Giovanni Santostasi <
> gsantost...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Please check
Peter,
Nonsense. Jed just told you. You need to have this setup in an industrial
zone with a river near by or swimming pools of steaming water outside.
Again, do not close your eyes. Go and look at the building online. It is a
small warehouse in a commercial area, with retailers around. Porca Miser
Peter Gluck wrote:
Thsnk you for your help, you got the idea, it si a problem of design, one
> great or more smaller heat excghangers working counter- or equicurrent.
>
Okay so instead of using these three gigantic exchangers you would need,
let us say, fifty small ones. They would use the same
Peter,
Porca miseria !!!
Use some basic physics please.
Can you show the detailed calculations?
When I do them (please see my thread "customer warehouse") I cannot get out
of the fact you need to process 30 tons of material every week to account
for the energy involved in this "experiment". No matt
Giovanni, just to check my memory- aren't you a known transhumanism
author too, or it is only a coincidence of names?
peter
On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 6:06 PM, Giovanni Santostasi
wrote:
> Please check my thread "customer warehouse". I show different types of
> calculations to demonstrate how nonse
Thsnk you for your help, you got the idea, it si a problem of design, one
great or more smaller heat excghangers working counter- or equicurrent.
Just see that it s very simple in principle and the drain carries so much
warm water with ease in an industrial area.
THERE IS NO UNMANAGEABLE HEAT REMOV
Peter Gluck wrote:
who has inspired you to this idea of reducing the volume of water drained.
>
Okay if it does not reduce the volume, what is the point of using multiple
exchangers? Why not use a single heat exchanger enough capacity to cool 1
MW? Or a chiller. Here is a 394 kW unit. You need
Please check my thread "customer warehouse". I show different types of
calculations to demonstrate how nonsensical Rossi's claims are. Somebody
should check my calculations are correct but I will share later the MatLab
code I used. One could do these calculations also as Fermi problems in
their hea
who has inspired you to this idea of reducing the volume of water drained.
No, with the know n data 10-20 cu.m of warm 40-50 cu.m water will be
drained per hour I am traanslating a long Russian ppaer fror my Blog when
ready will make calculations.
Go to ECtaWorld you will see more considerations-
Peter Gluck wrote:
please do not insult Jed! He simply does not understand how the heat
> exchangers work.
>
Explain how a heat exchanger would reduce the total volume of water needed
to remove the heat. With 1 heat exchange, to cool 1 MJ down to the legal
limit of 80°C you need 239 L/min. Expla
Daniel,
please do not insult Jed! He simply does not understand how the heat
exchangers work.
peter
On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 5:27 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote:
> I think you are running out of your quota of arrogance.
>
> 2016-08-15 11:17 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell :
>
>> Evidently you do not understand th
Daniel Rocha wrote:
> I think you are running out of your quota of arrogance.
>
Okay, so you should please explain how a heat exchanger, or a series of
exchanges, would cause the heat to vanish or reduce the amount of water
needed to flush it down the drain. If I am being arrogant, please corre
I think you are running out of your quota of arrogance.
2016-08-15 11:17 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell :
> Evidently you do not understand the conservation of energy or
> thermodynamics.
>
>
Peter Gluck wrote:
> Both, Jed and goiovanni are trying to show tht they are not understanding
> what I have told about the energy: the cut the Gordian solution of
> consuming the energy is to pass the steam pipe through a system of heat
> exchangers where it heats water. that is discraded to th
Adrian,
Actually, people asked AR if the process was endothermic and he said "Yes."
When later asked if the heat that was not used was collected in water, he
responded "Yes."
People should consider that they are engaging in crowd sourced excuse
making for him. He just has to sit back and wait f
While the engines example of energy production is frequently used, the
engines would have to be running full bore constantly. I like Peter Van
Noorden's example of the energy for 1MW for 350 days - about 1/3 the energy
of a Hiroshima size nuclear bomb. That is truly a lot of Joules to hide.
If I
Exactly as privileges are always stronger than rights, certainties once
irreversibly acquired are stronger than facts and logic.
Both Jed and Giovanni- a relatively new kid on the block have certainties:
zero excess heat and Rossi scammer. Difficult to discuss with such people.
For me, Rossi has
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