^12 seems to be the right order of magnitude for the
electric field to trap a surface electron. At the classical proton radius,
~2fm, it should be around 10^(~-22)V/M.
2012/1/31 Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com
Ok, let me read the paper and reply. I need to understand it better
in throughout
the material you would have to have atoms basically touching each other but
given we are talking about a metal I don't see this as a problem.
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 7:06 PM, Giovanni Santostasi
gsantost...@gmail.comwrote:
Ok,
Daniel you are right.
The order of magnitude of a field
’…
-Mark
** **
*From:* Giovanni Santostasi [mailto:gsantost...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 31, 2012 5:06 PM
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:WL
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Ok,
Daniel you are right.
The order of magnitude of a field at the Bohr radius from a proton is
10^11 V
Here a typical episode about UFO sightings in the '70.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdbLJRMOaCAfeature=related
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Akira Shirakawa
shirakawa.ak...@gmail.comwrote:
On 2012-01-29 22:43, Patrick Ellul wrote:
I really doubt that it was a joke. I understand italian
MIchele,
Scusa, ma va la ! ; P
Giovanni
On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 11:26 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
Atheist, ACC, is probably chuckling over that one, wherever he is.
I find wind turbines beautiful not ugly, why are they ugly?
Giovanni
On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Yamali Yamali yamaliyam...@yahoo.de wrote:
They're also dominating the landscape ever more. Certain parts of
Europe (Germany, Denmark) already
Well, sure any celestial body in the solar system has one side that is hit
by sun light and the other that is not. But usually people talk about the
'dark side of the moon' as the side that is not visible of the moon and my
point was that is a misnomer. But yes there are regions of the moon that
AM, Giovanni Santostasi
gsantost...@gmail.com wrote:
The Hydro machine has masses moving in a closed path in a gravitational
field so the total energy balance is zero.
When you consider the motion of the gas in and out of the chambers, that
unavoidably will have some friction and losses
Do you guys know about Iron Sky?
It does have themes interesting to this group as alternative energy
sources, anti-gravity and so on. It is a movie rendition of the well known
meme that Nazi escaped to the moon at the end of the second world war. It
is should be a pretty entertaining movie I
Orion,
Hopefully my comment is not understood as trolling
but as polite criticism.
It is nice to have imagination and to think about things that are
considered by main stream science as impossible. I wish more professional
scientists could do that (some do and they wait until they come close
I found this on peswiki:
By the way, speaking of timing and synchronicity, as I was
workinghttp://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:_Hidro_--_Water_Pressures_Energy_Conversion_(WAPEC)#
on
this page, about to get on a plane coming back from the Next Gen
Expohttp://next-gen-expo.com/ in
Florida, Glen
wrote:
Steven,
what's the difference between those 'viruses' and the MEMES postulated by
Richard Dawkins- see Memetics?
Peter
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 7:18 AM, Giovanni Santostasi
gsantost...@gmail.com wrote:
Orion,
Hopefully my comment is not understood as trolling
but as polite
only because particles have EM fields to interact with each other. So no
much heat could be transmitted to something that has a weak EM interaction
with matter.
Giovanni
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 11:48 PM, Rich Murray rmfor...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Giovanni Santostasi,
buoyant perpetual motion
Do you guys know about Iron Sky?
It does have themes interesting to this group as alternative energy
sources, anti-gravity and so on. It is a movie rendition of the well known
meme that Nazi escaped to the moon at the end of the second world war. It
is should be a pretty entertaining movie I
Yes, it is a misnomer, it is the side that is away from the earth and it is
never seen from the earth, but it receive exactly the same amount of light
than the other side does (over a full orbit of the moon around the earth).
The moon is locked tidally with the earth in such way that one orbit
If you want to apply this joke to Rossi then it should be modified in this
way:
The guy goes into the backyard and sees a nice looking Labrador
retriever (BBB) sitting there.
'You talk?' he asks.
The owner intervenes and says :
'He talks only to me and a friend of mine (/// secret
Mary Yugo I dedicate this rap song to you and the skeptics in this list:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAYVY2eLMckfeature=related
Giovanni
On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Mary Yugo asked a sensible question: Why are these people wearing
overcoats
Please if you are interested in North Korea situation go on the youtube and
watch some of the several videos about the real North Korea. Here is one by
National Geographic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQXfMMHV8FM
What one has to understand that North Korea created the capital city as an
haven
Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com
Please if you are interested in North Korea situation dgo on the youtube
and watch some of the several videos about the real North Korea. Here is
one by National Geographic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQXfMMHV8FM
What one has to understand
please,btw), make sure that these
humanitarian organizations are just not corrupted by american interests,
etc
2012/1/3 Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com
Right, people shorter by 2-3 inches in average from their South-Korean
counterpart is propaganda. Several humanitarian
or organizations not
aligned with US?
2012/1/3 Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com
These are all good points, at the same time as with everything you have
to put all the evidence together to get an overall picture. The starvation
is real, I spent all day yesterday in looking
:25 PM 12/20/2011, Giovanni Santostasi wrote:
AND HERE IT IS !
Go on the left of the academy and you see a symbol of a factory. If you
translate from Greek this what you get:
Former Factory Atmatzidis
Defkalion says no :
http://www.defkalion-energy.**com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=**4983
Jed,
Rossi doesn't mean Smith. It is translated sometime by Google as Smith
because Smith is such common name in the anglophone world and Rossi is an
extremely common (if not the most common) Italian last names.
Rossi means red one, probably the ancestors of this family were red
headed.
The last
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 8:25 PM, Giovanni Santostasi
gsantost...@gmail.com wrote:
AND HERE IT IS !
Go on the left of the academy and you see a symbol of a factory. If you
translate from Greek this what you get:
Former
it
factual evidence at this point.
What is damn frustrating about all this is how certain pieces of the puzzle
fit together and other seem not to make sense at all.
Giovanni
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com wrote
that every amateur enthusiast can
reproduce and post on youtube, it will remain in the realm of
pseudoscience.
Giovanni
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com wrote:
All the other statements you make are based on your
But there is also scientific fraud, Unfortunately it happens everywhere
even in prestigious institutions. There are even Science and Nature
articles that have been retracted because the results described were shown
later to be fraudulent.
Scientists that have put a lot of stakes in a line of
:
Plausible deniability is the 'modus operandi' of the zealous skeptic.
Harry
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Giovanni Santostasi
gsantost...@gmail.com wrote:
With meteorite sightings you have many witnesses in many countries. The
path
of the meteorite can be traced sometime (if the witness knows
.
Giovanni
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com wrote:
With meteorite sightings you have many witnesses in many countries.
Not always. In many cases, only one witness sees them. In all cases of
birdwatch
I have seen a lot of pseudoscience products in WallMart as healing magnetic
bracelets, shoe soles that can extract toxins from your body and so on.
There is a lot of crap available commercially that makes all kind of claims.
But while some amateurs don't know what they are doing, many of them
in helping humanity in solving fundamental practical problems.
Giovanni
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com wrote:
I cannot talk for all the other skeptics but in my case I can assure you
that my skepticism comes from
Simpler explanation:
Jed's witness is not telling the truth.
We don't know who this guy is so for our point of view this is completely
possible that he is saying things that are not true.
Unless we know more about the witness (and even in that case one witness
would not be enough) we cannot say
a radioactive sample from
one of the scientific supplier company and building a counter is not that
complicated.
Even Sheetrock is slightly radioactive.
Giovanni
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.comwrote:
Are you kidding, or what?
On 11-12-21 04:33 PM, Giovanni
, is there even one LENR experiment that can be reproduced every single
time when a switch is turned on (besides Rossi's I mean) ?
Just one, please.
Giovanni
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.comwrote:
Are you kidding, or what?
On 11-12-21 04:33 PM, Giovanni
Maybe I'm missing something but it is not claimed over and over that LENR
are tabletop experiments that are achieved with relatively simple
equipment? Is not the incredible interest in LENR by supporters due to the
fact that it could change energy production in such way that every
household could
And this is why LENR is on the edge of pseudoscience. Because it is so damn
difficult to do and when it happens (often randomly) it is not certain what
really happened if anything.
Giovanni
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 4:32 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Joshua Cude
maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Giovanni Santostasi
gsantost...@gmail.com wrote:
Maybe I'm missing something but it is not claimed over and over that LENR
are tabletop experiments that are achieved with relatively simple
equipment? Is not the incredible interest
...@gmail.comwrote:
Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com wrote:
I didn't say that being reproducible by amateurs would be the only way I
would take LENR seriously.
Multiple tests done by respectable scientists, with high sigmas, and
blind methods would be acceptable.
This has been done for 22 years
Robert,
According to Newtonian gravity the unwarping would happen instantaneously
(Newton of course didn't think of warping, he said I will not make any
hypothesis about gravity's nature but only on how it works). But the
unwarping happening in a finite time is one and the same with gravitational
.
Giovanni
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com
wrote:
Plausible deniability is the 'modus operandi' of the zealous skeptic.
Harry
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Giovanni Santostasi
gsantost...@gmail.com wrote:
With meteorite sightings you have
What makes Rossi's better than a good science amateur?
Giovanni
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 6:13 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
At 02:45 PM 12/21/2011, Giovanni Santostasi wrote:
If LENR is real it would be a perfect ground for citizen scientists.
Lets see ... poisonous nano-nickel
How come Mary Yugo explanations of the current events sounds always the
most rational, well thought and coherent?
It just fits all the facts.
Giovanni
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Defkalion's responses have a highly Steornish flavor. They are
In this case we have to give Jed some slack.
What he described is what he was told by a persons he trusts as competent.
And what Jed was told is that an initial fist visit was done and everything
seems to be ok and as advertised.
It is just an initial, first inspection in preparation for a more
Mary,
This was easy to check. There is indeed a Xanthi Police Academy. Not yet
news if they are indeed warmed up by e-cats.
http://www.xanthi.ilsp.gr/cultureportalweb/print.php?article_id=1070lang=enprint_mode=article
Giovanni
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 8:51 PM, Jed Rothwell
And here where the Police academy is located on google maps:
http://wikimapia.org/17980152/Police-academy
Giovanni.
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 9:11 PM, Giovanni Santostasi
gsantost...@gmail.comwrote:
Mary,
This was easy to check. There is indeed a Xanthi Police Academy. Not yet
news
, 2011 at 10:16 PM, Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com
wrote:
And here where the Police academy is located on google maps:
http://wikimapia.org/17980152/Police-academy
Giovanni.
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 9:11 PM, Giovanni Santostasi
gsantost...@gmail.com wrote:
Mary,
This was easy
So the coordinates of the Defkalion factory are:
41.1188
24.8674
Giovanni
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 10:25 PM, Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com
wrote:
AND HERE IT IS !
Go on the left of the academy and you see a symbol of a factory. If you
translate from Greek this what you get
Found the Defkalion factory coordinates. It is indeed close to the Xanthi
Police Academy.
Here they are:
41.1188
24.8674
Giovanni
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 7:47 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
Article on Defkalion from a local Xanthi newpaper:
http://www.xanthipress.gr/eidiseis/politiki/8221-o-antiktipos-gia-ti-defkalion-stin-xanthi-i-epomeni-parousiasi.html
Giovanni
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 10:30 PM, Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com
wrote:
So the coordinates
Jed,
I like you because you are romantic.
I think a little too optimistic but I can see your heart is in the right
place.
I hope you are right.
Giovanni
On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 8:03 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
Jed, you have
Jed,
I'm not sure what is the ethnic origin of Mary. But I was born and grown up
in Italy. I have met several Italian scientists.
In fact, I met in person, and I have been at his house another LENR
researcher of relatively old times: Renzo Boscoli (you can do a web search
for him if you don't
There is an example that is interesting.
Gravitational wave detection.
As a practical field was created more than 40 years ago and no detection
has been done yet.
The theoretical prediction of gravitational waves by Einstein happened
about 90 years ago. He claimed it was an interesting theoretical
Well, there is a reason why neutrinos travel faster than light and not
other particles. Starships are not made of neutrinos so even if the results
would be proven to be right for neutrinos it would not apply
to conventional matter.
Giovanni
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Jouni Valkonen
...@gmail.comwrote:
On 16 December 2011 03:22, Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com
wrote:
Well, there is a reason why neutrinos travel faster than light and not
other
particles. Starships are not made of neutrinos so even if the results
would
be proven to be right for neutrinos
light.
Giovanni
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 8:06 PM, Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.comwrote:
On 16 December 2011 03:39, Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com
wrote:
It is not that simple. Relativity would not be completely dismissed by
these
superluminal results. We don't know yet
jounivalko...@gmail.comwrote:
On 16 December 2011 04:15, Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com
wrote:
I don't see how switching to Lorentz theory would help to make a massive
body going faster than light.
I am sorry if you have trouble with the eye sight. This why it is more
important
The police in the academy are building an hospital for the children with
cancer that Rossi's wanted to help with the money he was going to make from
the e-cat.
Giovanni
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Alan J Fletcher
This comes close to a reproduction of Rossi's experiments where assumption
that all the water is transformed into steam is used.
A coffee pot can seem to do the same with hilarious results.
Giovanni
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 5:35 PM, Michele Comitini
michele.comit...@gmail.com wrote:
Aha
So Alain is not the most logical explanation that media, power organization
of different kinds, everybody in the knowing just did their research and
determine pretty quickly that Rossi's story was not worthwhile of their
attention?
G
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Alain Sepeda
doing any research they decide it does not
need research, nor proof of scam, nor denial, nor communication...
seems the most probable...
first they ignore you,
then they laugh at you
then...
2011/12/10 Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com
So Alain is not the most logical
Jed,
All what is required is that in the first experiments the trick used was
different.
In the first experiments calorimetry was based on how much vaporization was
achieved.
When people demanded a different way of calculating heat production the
trick changed and now the access to the inner core
I will be glad to apologize to Rossi if he is right.
What are we going to do if he is wrong?
Giovanni
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote:
At Rossi's suggestion we have taken a step back and will wait for the
technical specs of the high temperature 1
in your area to pool
your money and equipment and start doing some experiments!
** **
-Mark
** **
*From:* Giovanni Santostasi [mailto:gsantost...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, December 08, 2011 5:58 PM
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Purchase of a 1 MW high temp E-Cat
Jed,
With all respect I cannot understand where you come from when you make such
comments:
laws of nature--
Rossi's claim is a violation of known laws of nature, that would be ok, if
he would make open the details of the experiment set up to third parties
even just in terms of reliable input and
, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com wrote:
Jed,
With all respect I cannot understand where you come from when you make
such comments:
laws of nature--
Rossi's claim is a violation of known laws of nature . . .
Sure. I meant
Mary,
Do you have a link to the stable-stable movie. I like to see Rossi's tricks
in action.
G
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Charles Hope
lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.comwrote:
How else do we know what the instruments said, but by recording them?
On Dec 3, 2011, at 16:06, Jed Rothwell
...@gmail.comwrote:
On 2011-12-02 02:38, Giovanni Santostasi wrote:
Rossi needs to stop to call himself a Doctor.
This is one of the things that shows me how fake he is, exactly as his
degree.
So, is this degree fake?
http://www.nyteknik.se/**incoming/article3197200.ece/**
BINARY/Rossi_degree_
Talking about money, didn't Rossi say that a big chunk of the money he is
going to make will go to children with cancer?
What happened to that?
G
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:56 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote:
I'm working from currently published figures. $2 million for a 1 MW
Thank you Terry.
G
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 8:34 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 12:51 AM, Giovanni Santostasi
gsantost...@gmail.com wrote:
Rossi has interesting glasses in this picture. Anybody knows what they
are?
They are Clic magnetic glasses
Yes, I will sign up too.
Alan we miss the bandwagon.
I guess Mary is taking all the money.
G
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.comwrote:
**
On 11-11-28 12:28 PM, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
[ ... ]
Andrea Rossi
November 28th, 2011 at 1:15
Rossi has interesting glasses in this picture. Anybody knows what they are?
Never saw anything like that. Are they his own invention? If so he could
always try to sell them if the catalyst thing doesn't turn out for the best.
G
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 11:40 PM, David ledin
What Mary is describing is the only rational course of action. What Rossi
is doing is what a scam artist would do.
Giovanni
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.comwrote:
What would be the
I didn't say he necessarily is a good scam artist... ; )
he has tried and failed before...
G
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 6:34 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 7:30 PM, Giovanni Santostasi
gsantost...@gmail.com wrote:
What Mary is describing is the only
Terry,
If being killed at a cost of 500 dollars would enough to stop a scam artist
or a criminal of any type we would not have many around...
G
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 7:23 PM, Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.dewrote:
Am 27.11.2011 02:15, schrieb Terry Blanton:
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 8:08
new fingers?
G
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 7:37 PM, Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.dewrote:
Am 27.11.2011 02:28, schrieb Giovanni Santostasi:
Terry,
If being killed at a cost of 500 dollars would enough to stop a scam
artist or a criminal of any type we would not have many around
It seems that many e-cat believers have almost a religious attitude towards
this topic.
Anything that a rational mind would interpret as evidence of the non
existence of god (working e-cat) is used by the believer in fact as
evidence.
The Heaven explained by modern astronomy is not anymore the
Here is a much better translation:
Cold fusion: turning point or bluff
The E-Cat under scrutiny at the University of Bologna
The Physics Researchers: impartial analysis, then the verdict
Andrea Rossi and the E-Cat
LONDON - It will be the University of Bologna to put the final seal [of
@ Jouni Valkonen said:
show details 8:56 PM (55 minutes ago)
This your religious nonsense, is against the forum rules.
I'm not attacking or insulting anybody in particular (differently from you
mentioning my life of which you don't knoq anything).
But away I have a PhD in Physics and I have
jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:
Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com wrote:
But, as a scientist I want the truth and I hate, yes hate, scam artists
of any type, in particular when they use science as a prop for their
egotistical and destructive goals.Rossi is making astounding claims so he
Read the comments in this interview and substitute e-cat with i-pad or any
tech device that a normal company would sell.
Does it work? Well, it is up to Steve Jobs to make sure it works. No, it
doesn't.
It is absurd.
G.
http://coldfusiondevices.com/cold-fusion/swedish-physicists-behind-ecat-com
Here is the entry on Italian Wiki about PetrolDragon, the original Rossi's
company.
G
The article says that the experiments would start after the first
installment of the 500 K is paid.
What is worrisome is the last sentence were it is said that the scientists
from Bologna would use Rossi's industrial hangar to check the equipment
that Rossi would make available to the
Eric,
I agree with your assessment of what is wrong with 911 conspiracy theories.
The problems with these theories is how to coordinate so many people
involved in the conspiracy without any of them revealing what happened.
In the case of the Rossi story we have mostly him behaving in a completely
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