Re: [Vo]:Did anyone hear about Miley's Pd-Zr results?

Okay. Dennis Cravens told me that Miles is using: "15 to 30 g of ZrO2 with 35% Pd at 60psi 100-300 Watts self heats from room temperature. It is loaded with deuterium." Someone else wrote, assuming Miley means 350 W/kg. With 20 g of Pd that works out to be 7 W. Since there is no input, it should

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan on Steam Quality

Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: I think it's vanishingly unlikely that the power level could have been held constant to better than 1%, and precisely matched to the pump rate. Jed and a number of other people see no problem with it. Nonsense! I never said that. I said I assume the water level flu

Re: [Vo]:Fox News report on Rossi

vorl bek wrote: > Why is it stupid? It sounds like a standard mainstream (and > you can not get more mainstream than Fox News) gee-whiz science > story . . . I guess so. I would call it ignorant, unscientific blather. Also, regarding cold fusion and its history, it is a grab bag of random fact

Re: [Vo]:Did anyone hear about Miley's Pd-Zr results?

Miley wrote to Cravens: "Yes, we are getting some good gas loading results at the 100s of watt level!!" That's with the smaller, ~20 g samples. There was a slide toward the end of his presentation showing a NASA RTG, which said that he is getting 350 W/kg. I guess that slide is out of date. Hun

Re: [Vo]:Did anyone hear about Miley's Pd-Zr results?

Miley slides are here: http://ecatsite.wordpress.com/2011/10/22/dr-george-miley-replicates-patterson-names-rossi/ - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan on Steam Quality

Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Either that, or the water level fluctuated. That seems more likely to me. When it starts to rise, you increase the reaction. When it falls too far, you throttle it. This is, of course, all old stuff being reiterated here. In the test from last spring, the electric

Re: [Vo]:Fox News report on Rossi

Jouni Valkonen wrote: Also more mainstream media: Cold Fusion experiment: Major Success or Big Hoax? http://news.discovery.com/tech/cold-fusion-02.html Looks like the same article, copied from Fox. I see an uptick in traffic at LENR-CANR.org. Not dramatic, but probably related to the ma

Re: [Vo]:Pipe diameter October 28 - new considerations

David Roberson wrote: I think I know the reason why there is always a question in such a > demonstration. No one has ever performed an experiment that has completely > eliminated any optional explanation for the results obtained. > On the other hand, some experiments are more convincing than ot

Re: [Vo]:Pipe diameter October 28 - new considerations

Peter Heckert wrote: He must allow to connect tested and calibrated calorimetric equipment > provided by an independent party to the steam output of the ecat, and allow > to connect professional instruments that record the electrical input power. > > Thats all. Then he must allow enough time to

Re: [Vo]:Pipe diameter October 28 - new considerations

Peter Heckert wrote: He must do this if he wants to do a scientific level proof of evidency. > He has said countless times that he does not care what scientists think. He is only interested in what his customers think. That is a perfectly valid set of standards. Many businessmen think that scien

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan on Steam Quality

Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Exactly which test do you refer to? What was the date? Despite my use of the singular, I wasn't thinking of a single specific test; as far as I can recall, all the "steam" tests done in the spring supposedly had the same output temperature, to within a degree: 101

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan on Steam Quality

I wrote: The colonel and others who know a lot about steam have all said that they > are certain this was dry steam. I mean that he said that about Rossi's previous tests. And this one too. There is no doubt the Oct. 28 test produced only dry steam. You can see the condensate collection bucket

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan on Steam Quality

Mattia Rizzi wrote: I think that the "Colonel" was hired by Ampenergo. Why would they hire someone to tell them what they already know? Rossi and Ampenergo did not use the colonel to improve their own credibility. By the way, Rossi confirmed that he has already worked with the Colonel.

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan on Steam Quality

Mattia Rizzi wrote: > So did the colonel, and so did the document they published. I mean, Rossi and the colonel have worked toghether in the past. Yes, I know they have. They talked about it. No one disputes that they have. What's your point? Do you think that anyone who has worked with Ross

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan on Steam Quality

Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Wait -- do you mean Miley's recent work on Patterson-type cells? Nope. Gas loaded ZrPd powder. Similar to Arata. Roughly the same power density as Rossi. I've never argued that what Rossi is claiming is physically impossible. He's too clever to claim perpetual

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan on Steam Quality

Mattia Rizzi wrote: Jed Rothwell:> it. If there had been a lot of water coming out with steam, that bucket would have overflowed in no time. Mattia Rizzi: Incorrect since the valve is pratically closed. SImply you don't know. Lewan felt the lower pipe and the valve attached t

Re: [Vo]:msnbc reports on Rossi's Oct 28 demo. Hagelstein is quoted.

This is a pretty good report. Way better than Fox News. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan on Steam Quality

Peter Heckert wrote: Rossi is a magically talented engineer but because he never has proven his claims -and this would be easy if true- we must assume that he abuses his abilities to fool us. Theory of magic: It is possible to keep the water boiling if you realize that the amperemeter was no

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan on Steam Quality

Peter Heckert wrote: This is how he appears to you, and this is why he doesnt invite you. He wants to look like a crook? This is complicated reverse psychology. It could easily backfire I suppose, and have the opposite effect. I suppose he also wanted the authorities to send him to jail year

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan on Steam Quality

Peter Heckert wrote: What do you think why did he invite an AP journalist who has no technical or scientific knowledge? Who told you this journalist has no technical or scientific knowledge? Did you communicate with the journalist? Where did you get this information? Please do not make asse

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan on Steam Quality

Mattia Rizzi wrote: The point 2 is CRITICAL when the measuremnt is done with point 1, because without using a demister you made a mesuremnt error that *over-extimate* the real energy produced. Over-estimate by how much? 470 kW? I doubt it. The exact power level does not matter. An hour after

[Vo]:Valve to condensate bucket was closed

Someone pointed out to me that when Lewan made the video, the valve leading to the condensate bucket was closed. It must have been open before that, because there was condensate in the bucket. Based on how toy steam engines work, I suppose that pipe had a great deal of water and condensate in it at

Re: [Vo]:Re: Mats Lewan on Steam Quality

Mattia Rizzi wrote: Jed, how can you made such measurements without even a water trap? That was a water trap. You can see it trapped water and condensate. Presumably when steam began coming out, they closed it. That's how people operate steam engines, as I mentioned. Why you can't realize

Re: [Vo]:New article / Rossi quotes

On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Peter Heckert wrote: > Am 04.11.2011 06:59, schrieb Peter Gluck: > > Very well written paper. Bravissimo, Haiko! > > If you understand german read my comment: > >

[Vo]:Some thoughts about Rossi's personality

Peter Heckert wrote: > Rossi is overworked and unable to explain the simplest facts correctly. > In all seriousness, that is true. It is important aspect of his personality. I do not think it is because he is overworked. I think he is just not good at explaining things. That is no reflection o

Re: [Vo]:Some thoughts about Rossi's personality

Daniel Rocha wrote: Is that really a fake PhD? I thought it was an honorary doctorate for his > biofuel powerplant. Ah, that may explain it. Perhaps he has two honorary PhDs, one for the biofuel, and one from the diploma mill. Perhaps he thought I was talking about the other one. I do not know

Re: [Vo]:Some thoughts about Rossi's personality

Peter Heckert wrote: This explains why the e-cat leaks and fails when really serious customers > and NASA scientists are present. > In all seriousness, I expect it does. It also explains why he ran the October 6 demonstration without bothering to put an SD card into the thermocouple meter. He ju

Re: [Vo]:Some thoughts about Rossi's personality

Peter Heckert wrote: I'm sure he would say "go ahead and ignore that if you like; just look at >> the physical facts." >> >> > If he does it this way, then he cannot know the difference between a > random effect, a systematic measurement error or a real physical fact. How > can he know, if he doe

Re: [Vo]:msnbc reports on Rossi's Oct 28 demo. Hagelstein is quoted.

This one is pretty good too. > > http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-205_162-57318762/cold-fusion-debate-heats-up-after-latest-demo/ I told someone who is looking for funding that venture capitalists will not touch this field as long as we have mass media publishing articles with titles like "Cold Fusi

Re: [Vo]:wiki entry survived a deletion request

Here is an interesting comment in the Wikipedia discussion from someone who claims he or she was present at the Oct. 6 test. Does anyone know what "kettle stone" means? Deposits from evaporated water? Keep, Been present at the oct6 testing of the device, I confirm a 100% certain that the average

Re: [Vo]:wiki entry survived a deletion request

That's hilarious. What is it with these people? I do not understand why they are so anxious to keep people from finding out about things they oppose. They hate the idea that people will discuss the issue, or learn something about it. I don't like creationism, and I hate these people opposed to vac

Re: [Vo]:wiki entry survived a deletion request

Terry Blanton wrote: >> Yes, also called boiler scale: > >> > >> > http://www.magnumarchive.com/c/iconographic-encyclopedia-volume-5/Storage-Water-Its-Purification.html > > > > http://www.eutechinst.com/techtips/tech-tips45.htm > > I'm sure you can't read all my posts, nor would you want to; but,

Re: [Vo]:Did anyone hear about Miley's Pd-Zr results?

Miley says the results with 100 to 300 W are new. He has not had time to update the slides with these results. I hope to get more details from him next week. I will report them here. - Jed

[Vo]:U. Bologna press office statement

This statement has been added to some of the articles on Rossi, such as the Daily Mail one. I assume it is really from the press office. It sounds like it: The University of Bologna is not involved on E-Cat experiments conducted by Leonardo Corp., the company owned by Andrea Rossi. The University

[Vo]:How do we know Fioravanti is not a fake?

Mary Yugo asked me, how do we know for sure that any of this information provided by Rossi on Oct. 28 is real? "None of the invited scientists and press people had any access to any sort of meters or measuring devices" She has a valid point. As I said here, we do not know for sure. The Oct. 6 test

Re: [Vo]:Krivit's transcript of Rossi's "Ah Ha" moment, a cheap shot. (Part 1 of 2)

OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: > For Krivit to have produced a technically accurate word-for-word > translation of Rossi's broken English, a typical Rossi-reply which was > filled with Italian inflections, and pauses, and "umms", and "as" and > "eh"s, was in my opinion deliberately m

[Vo]:Terrible flooding in Italy

See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASiLOIGAjKs&feature=related

Re: [Vo]:Krivit's transcript of Rossi's "Ah Ha" moment, a cheap shot. (Part 1 of 2)

Peter Gluck wrote: > I am really far from being a Rossi-fan but this is a kitschy trick, > irrelevant and inefficient, and the natural reaction is contrary to that > expected by the reporter. > "The reporter" meaning Krivit? I expect exactly this kind of thing from him, but calling him a report

[Vo]:Book: "Rossi's eCat"

See: http://www.xecnet.com/publish.htm Book blurb: Featured Book Our featured book is John Michell's new book Rossi's eCat - Free Energy, Free Money, Free People. Out Now! 2011 – And an amazing technology has been developed in Italy which has been described as the greatest scientific discover

Re: [Vo]:Klaatu Barada Nikto

Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > Eh? This will make it impossible to verify that the anything was given to > anybody, and we'll just have to take Rossi's word for it, right? Or we can not take his word, and put this subject aside. This has no bearing at all on cold fusion. What Rossi does with his

Re: [Vo]:Minor progress

Horace Heffner wrote: > I continue to plod along on a simulation of prospective E-cat designs to > fit the 6 Oct 2011 Rossi test results. I have simulated various > combinations of materials for thermal storage and have found that a couple > slabs of ordinary Portland cement with a heating resis

Re: [Vo]:Klaatu Barada Nikto

Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: That is true up to the moment when he makes public commitments as to what > he's doing with it. > > As he has done. > What commitments? Has he signed a contract? Did he give a check to some charitable organization, and did this check bounce? I'm not aware of any public

Re: [Vo]:Klaatu Barada Nikto

Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: "1. As I said before, I have never seen Rossi lie about engineering > technical claims." > > Granted that's not a blanket defense but it certainly can be applied to > lots of specific details. > Oh come now. I said very specifically that I HAVE seen him lie about other

Re: [Vo]:Re: Rossi: NO MORE TESTS and other stuff (revisited)

Susan Gipp wrote: An essential requirement to tell credible lies is to have a very good memory ... Which indicates that Rossi is not lying, but rather changing his mind repeatedly. I know that he does that about all kinds of things. It is a useful trait in a hands-on experimentalist. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Klaatu Barada Nikto

Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Isotope shifts!?! I must have said a hundred times these shifts make no sense and I suppose they are errors. Sorry! I thought you had defended that one. (It was, after all, one of Rossi's "technical" claims, as I recall -- the 'created' copper has non-natural iso

Re: [Vo]:Re: Rossi: NO MORE TESTS and other stuff (revisited)

Rossi wrote: > 3 - big problem: the patent I have not been recognized outside Italy and > the theory would reveal much. > This confirms what I have suspected for a long time. Rossi's biggest problem is that he does not have viable intellectual property protection. He is floundering around trying

Re: [Vo]:A real customer would not have accepted the 1MW plant.

Peter Heckert wrote: Under industrial conditions and full load it would overheat, leak again, or the electric would fail after the first leak and steam inside. No normal customer would want to buy this. You are correct that this is a prototype, not a finished industrial product. That is obvi

Re: [Vo]:Re: Rossi: NO MORE TESTS and other stuff (revisited)

OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: This confirms what I have suspected for a long time. Rossi's biggest problem is that he does not have viable intellectual property protection. He is floundering around trying to find a way to sell his product, while protecting it with trade secrets rather tha

Re: [Vo]:A real customer would not have accepted the 1MW plant.

Peter Heckert wrote: > > If the self destruction mechanism is inside, they cannot do this. > I doubt there is a self-destruct mechanism. However, if there is one, the company that bought the 1 MW reactor now has over 100 individual cells to work with. After experts open up to three of those cell

Re: [Vo]:Re: A real customer would not have accepted the 1MW plant.

Mattia Rizzi wrote: > Maybe filing a *true* patent request, instead of one that is bullshit. > I suspect he is not capable of doing that. Contact DoD/DoE (Rossi did it and they refused to finance) . . . > The DoD and DoE cannot "finance" something like this. DARPA might help but Rossi says h

Re: [Vo]:Minor progress

Horace Heffner wrote: > If you spent an hour or so looking at what I actually provided instead of > generating arm waving non quantitative babble then you might gain some > understanding. > It is not arm waving to point out that THERE IS NO CONCRETE in the reactor. None. You are wasting your ti

Re: [Vo]:Re: A real customer would not have accepted the 1MW plant.

Mattia Rizzi wrote: >I NEVER, NEVER, NEVER said that he is a great businessman!!! Why do > people keep putting these absurd statements into my mouth? I said the > opposite many times. > > Okay, you wrote that he was an “experienced businessman”. Change nothing > in yours and mines sentences. >

Re: [Vo]:Minor progress

Horace Heffner wrote: Again, I don't know of anyone being allowed to see the insides of the > 30x30x30 interior box. > 1. Levi and the people at Defkalion say they saw inside. Lewan says you can see more than the photograph shows. There is no sign of concrete. 2. In previous tests observers dum

[Vo]:Report on a conversation with George Miley

I spoke with George Miley of the University of Illinois about his most recent tests with palladium zirconium alloys with gas loading. Here are some notes from the conversation and some related information about some of Mizuno's experiments. A set of PowerPoint slides here shows his results up unti

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat / philosophical remarks

Robert Lynn wrote: Suggesting that it is due to his inability to get a patent points again to > why he should have done a proper black box demo in January - then he could > have quickly signed up a large expert technology development partner that > could have quickly resolved all of his IP owners

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat / philosophical remarks

I wrote earlier that Rossi is in a bind because he has no viable patent. Then just now I wrote that I have urged him to do a proper test, get funding, and then hire experts, the way, Robert Lynn recommends. The problem is, Rossi does not trust outsiders. He cannot even bring himself to give a reac

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat / philosophical remarks

Berke Durak wrote: Designing and setting up an iron-clad demonstration for public consumption > is a major task, and is never good enough if there is disinformation by the > mainstream media. > Designing and setting up a demonstration would take a week or two. However, Rossi himself would not ha

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat / philosophical remarks

I wrote: It would not be appropriate for Rossi to assist or kibbutz I meant "kibitz." Voice input does not handle Yiddish well. This means, "To look on and offer unwanted, usually meddlesome advice to others." I expect that people in a Kibbutz often kibitz. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Minor progress

David Roberson wrote: Jed, I have reason to believe that the output thermocouples are reading > incorrectly. > Then I suggest you address the paper uploaded by Houkes, and show where it is in error. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat / philosophical remarks

Horace Heffner wrote: > Rossi's behavior is absurd, unless he doesn't believe in the technology > himself. Then it makes complete sense. > His behavior is irrational and absurd. However, such behavior is common among inventors and discoverers, and it has been throughout history. There are man

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat / philosophical remarks

Horace Heffner wrote: > The question though should be which premise is more consistent with > Rossi's behavior, he believes his own claims, or not?" > The premise that best fits his behavior is the same one that fits Harrison, Patterson, William Shockley, and many other people with a personali

Re: [Vo]:Minor progress

Horace Heffner wrote: > Then I suggest you address the paper uploaded by Houkes, and show where it > is in error. > > > Why is this material not in pdf format like other material on > LENR-CANR.org? > Because: 1. I have not got around to it. 2. I figure the authors may want to change it. 3. I

Re: [Vo]:Minor progress

Horace Heffner wrote: > Levi and Defkalion people saw inside the 6 Oct E-cat? > So they say. > If they saw inside some other device at some other time then that is > irrelevant. > That one, as far as I know. It was tested before. It shows signs of having been run many times, such as scale i

Re: [Vo]:Minor progress

Horace Heffner wrote: > > Just to be clear, they say they saw inside the 30x30x30 cm inside box in > the 6 Oct E-cat demo? Do you have a reference on this? > No, just what they say. Take it or leave it. If you don't believe me, or them, believe Archimedes. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat / philosophical remarks

Horace Heffner wrote: It is difficult to believe that Harrison, Patterson, or Shockley would put > on about a dozen demonstrations of their technology, repeatedly botch the > scientific aspects of the demonstrations, and refuse to acknowledge or fix > the problems. > How hard? I suggest you read

Re: [Vo]:Minor progress

Terry Blanton wrote: > http://www.radio24.ilsole24ore.com/Foto/articoli/ecat071011-3.jpg > > Thanks, Terry. The corrugated thing at the top which looks like a radiator is the cell. It is a little hard to see from the photo, but I gather you can actually see inside the box below the cell somewh

Re: [Vo]:Minor progress

Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: Some more inside shots > > http://www.nyteknik.se/**incoming/article3295952.ece/** > BINARY/w468/kall_fusion_rossi_**sprattad_lada_1_468_320.jpg That's a good ph

[Vo]:Robo-suit suitable for nuclear disasters

Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: Still it would not be hard to do a better job, he says inside a fire proof > suit having yet to build and then to get working a LENR device ;) > Speaking for fire-proof suits, here is a Japanese news article and photo of a robo-suit, or mechanical exoskeleton, suitable fo

Re: [Vo]:Report On A Conversation With George Miley

David ledin wrote: > Report On A Conversation With George Miley > > http://e-catsite.com/2011/11/08/report-on-a-conversation-with-george-miley/ That looks impressive with the slides added. Oops. There is a typo: "Although deloading is chemically endothermic, in some cases they have seen the

Re: [Vo]:Krivit names some Rossi "customer" names

OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: Rossi's "demos" have consistently not followed proper scientific protocol. > Therefore, what could any of these individuals say publicly on the matter – > ESPECIALLY from a scientific POV. If I were in their shoes I couldn't say > anything publicly eithe

Re: [Vo]:Minor progress

Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: How would you determine what his "secret catalyst" is? Without that you'll > likely be down by an order of magnitude or more from his power levels . . . That is correct. Probably you would get no heat at all. > Similarly, I don't see how you could figure out what

Re: [Vo]:Control Mechanism

Jeff Sutton wrote: "He has shown it in "self-sustaining" mode but always shuts it down after a few hours with some excuse. Why does he do that when the blockbuster note would be "the ecat just keeps on going." I suggest this must mean that the ecat cannot just keep on running for 6 months has h

[Vo]:Nifty futuristic-looking EV

In Japanese, but you can Google translate it: http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/atcars/news/2009-OYT8T00182.htm Photo: http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/zoom/2009-OYT9I00181.htm It features the ability to park itself after the passenger alights. You can call it from the parking lot with your cell phone

[Vo]:OFF TOPIC Share of global GDP graph

U.S. down, China way up. See: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_reckoning/2011/11/07/welcome_to_the_reckoning_a_blog_about_american_power_.html - Jed

[Vo]:How to download all files from a web site

Someone asked me how to download all files from LENR-CANR.org including the HTML screens. I recommend: http://www.webreaper.net/ Do not open more than three or four channels at a time or you may prevent others from accessing the site. This works well with any website that allows direct access to

Re: [Vo]:How to download all files from a web site

Jorn Erik Ommang wrote: > > Question: > What Papers on Cold Fusion / LENR do you see as being the best we have in > the field. > Ahem . . . I would like to evade that question, if I might. I think these papers express the views of most mainstream researchers in this field: http://lenr-canr.org

[Vo]:Physorg comments

See: http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-11-rossi-e-cat-customers.html

Re: [Vo]:Re: Rossi: NO MORE TESTS and other stuff (revisited)

Rossi wrote: > Again lecturing about tests !!! We receive 5 to 10 proposals per day to > make tests around the world, most of them from competitors, of course. > Please, read carefully: > 1- we made all the tests we had to make > 2- no more public tests will be made, the phase of public tests is

Re: [Vo]:Minor progress

Horace Heffner wrote: > Fraud or self delusion are of course possibilities I recognize, as do many > others, especially given Rossi's inability numerous times to provide > anything other than highly flawed calorimetry data, or refusal to admit the > importance of such mundane scientific concepts

[Vo]:"Win the Nobel" strategy

In a thread that has become unwieldy, Jeff Sutton wrote: But the only way to think that his process makes any "business-first approach" is that he has still something to hide. It could be he is missing something to do with control of the reaction, or he has no new art for his patent; someone

[Vo]:New diagram of Rossi reactor

See: http://lenr-canr.org/RossiData/Higgins%20Oct%206%2027kWreactorDiagram4.png I deleted the #3 version of this diagram. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:New diagram of Rossi reactor

Mary Yugo wrote: > . . . much less what was in the ones that were contained in his "megawatt > plant". You need not put things in quotation marks every time. We know that you do not believe this. If the secret is only in the catalyst "sauce", I don't understand why Rossi > doesn't do a compl

Re: [Vo]:Food for thought?

I do not know about this hypothesis, but it is well-established that the human brain takes enormous amounts of energy, and this has had a major impact on human evolution. Having a large brain is a tremendous burden. That is probably why there are few other highly intelligent species. During the evo

Re: [Vo]:Mr. Rossi appears to be busy for the foreseeable future.

Mary Yugo wrote: > > Rossi can't rely on anyone else at all to help make the wondrous > machines? If he's afraid of reverse engineering, he'd better not sell any > at all! How does he know what his customers will do with them? I believe he thinks it is easy to keep track of a few large custo

Re: [Vo]:Mr. Rossi appears to be busy for the foreseeable future.

I wrote: Any cold fusion cathode work harder will self-destruct to some extent > merely by being exposed to air . . . > That was supposed to say, "any cold fusion cathode or powder will self-destruct . . ." They all self-destruct over time from internal contamination. The powder stops working be

Re: [Vo]:Minor progress

Jouni Valkonen wrote: Therefore Horaces analysis is not only wrong, but it is utterly against the normal thermodynamics and cannot explain anything. I agree, and so do all of the scientists I have asked outside of this forum. Because it does not consider at all normal thermodynamical princip

Re: [Vo]:Minor progress

Mary Yugo wrote: > However calorimatric criticism is not relevant, because Rossi has > > never forbid for observers to do accurate calorimetry and check all > > the necessary calibrations with their own instruments. > I do not know who wrote that, but it is incorrect. Rossi does not usually let

Re: [Vo]:Minor progress

Mary Yugo wrote: It is irrational to demand 1,000 times more energy than chemistry can produce when you have already seen 10 times more. The point is already proven. I think many responsible and capable people don't believe that. The only absolutely determinative test is an independent one th

Re: [Vo]:NASA officially responds to an FOIA request that Rossi has never proved his claim

Alan J Fletcher wrote: The entire empty volume of a shipping container? Since the energy produced is N * the number of modules, the TIME should be the SAME as a single eCat at the same power. Well said. Eh? I'm getting not to trust those NASA engineers. Are you sure they didn't mix Impe

Re: [Vo]:Minor progress

Andrea Selva wrote: Rossi does not usually let people use their own instruments. He has on some occasions. - Jed He doesn't even want people to bring their own. Jed, does this ring you any bell ? He would not let me bring instruments, which is why I did not go. However, I have talked to pe

[Vo]:Yes we darn well do know approximately what the flow rate was!

Robert Leguillon wrote: /snip/ Heffner is saying that since the flow rate may not be 60 L in 4 hours it might be zero. That is preposterous. /snip/ Because the flow rate was not at its max (it was sped up during quenching) and it decreases with back pressure (as demonstrated in the September

Re: [Vo]:Minor progress

David Roberson wrote: Jed, are you sure that Horace assumes that there is no water flowing through the ECAT? That would be totally unbelievable. I believe he said that previously. Actually I think he said something like "we do not know what the flow rate is so it might be zero." Ask him.

Re: [Vo]:Yes we darn well do know approximately what the flow rate was!

Robert Leguillon wrote: Maybe I'd overlooked this, when did they measure and film the outpouring > water? Yes, many people saw the water and bubbles moving through the hose. FURTHERMORE, we know with certainty that there was steam or hot water coming out of the reactor into the heat exchanger,

Re: [Vo]:Yes we darn well do know approximately what the flow rate was!

I wrote: Something had to be coming out of the reactor the entire time. It had to be > coming out at a flow rate large enough to deliver lots of heat to those > thermocouples. > We also know from Lewan's log that he measured the flow rate at the time when the flow rate was lowest. He measured 0.9

Re: [Vo]:Physorg comments : new Krivit Crusade

Vorl Bek wrote: > - Nelson's comments just put the cap on what has been asked so often: why > does Rossi's six-month-between-charges e-cat never self-sustain long enough > to eliminate the possibility of the heat > coming from a chemical reaction? > Here is a similar loaded question: Q: Why do

Re: [Vo]:Physorg comments : new Krivit Crusade

Higgins Bob-CBH003 wrote: One of the reasons that Rossi may not wish to run a very long test is that > I suspect that HE is the control mechanism. When it is run > in self-sustaining mode, after some period it will need to be > briefly reheated to stabilize the mode. If it was not in self-susta

Re: [Vo]:Physorg comments : new Krivit Crusade

Alan J Fletcher wrote: > AND Krivit invoked Godwin's Law . > Actually, *you* invoked Godwin's law, a.k.a. *Reductio ad Hitlerum*. Krivit . . . embodied it? Violated it? Triggered it? Not sure what the right verb would be. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:National Instruments signs to do E-Cat controls

Bravo! I hope it is true. This is exactly the right thing to do. You have to hand it to Rossi. He has good technical judgement. Reckless, but good. Mizuno, Ohmori and Fleischmann are the same way. McKubre says Fleischmann's experiments scared the pants off of people. A person does not design a b

Re: [Vo]:Oct 6 Heat Exchanger Manifold Thermocouple Placement.

David Roberson wrote: > .91 grams/second x 2260 joules/gram = 2056.6 watts. Water all assumed to > be vapor which is not being conservative. > You forgot to add the heat required to go from tap water temp to boiling, 267 J. (29.8 C - 24.5 C + .8 C) = 6.1 C Measured at time of water collecti

Re: [Vo]:Oct 6 Heat Exchanger Manifold Thermocouple Placement.

I wrote: > Granted it might have been less, too, but I suppose it was more. A few > bubbles in the hose or unexpectedly high back pressure from holding up the > hose will retard the flow. > What I am saying here is that this is complicated little system. I'll bet you can't model it! While 328 g

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