Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:[OT]Shocking Story That Could Derail Attack on Syria

2013-09-02 Thread Vorl Bek
On Mon, 02 Sep 2013 17:27:29 -0400 hohlr...@gmail.com hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Why should we get involved in a proxy war between Saudi and Iran? Excellent question. And to extend it a bit, why should we be involved in a proxy war between Israel and the Islamic Arab world? Why should America

Re: [Vo]:Wildlife taking over Fukushima

2013-08-09 Thread Vorl Bek
Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Pigs can be dangerous. My father heard about them eating up farmers, where all they found was the soles of farmer's shoes. So the expression I heard in the army from the southern boys: He went out to shit and the hogs et him was no more than the

[Vo]:Ride a Shuttle Booster Rocket

2013-07-29 Thread Vorl Bek
People on this list should enjoy this 400-second video http://tinyurl.com/m7b6wvr

Re: [Vo]:Re: Nicely Played, John Hadjichristos

2013-07-29 Thread Vorl Bek
On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 15:10:26 -0700 blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Presuming (of course) that's actually John Hadjichristos. If it isn't, still, well done anonymous troll. Just to make sure it is seen by readers of this list, here are MY's two replies. I doubt

Re: [Vo]:Cold fusion in your face!

2013-07-25 Thread Vorl Bek
On Thu, 25 Jul 2013 02:18:43 -0700 (PDT) Danny Ross Lunsford antimatte...@yahoo.com wrote: We should keep calling it cold fusion, and make a barbed point of it, in honor of Fleischmann, who admittedly hated the term. Why? To stick it to the people who hounded him and smirched his reputation.

Re: [Vo]:Why Cold Fusion Has to Die

2013-07-15 Thread Vorl Bek
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 14:27:51 +0200 Moab Moab moab2...@googlemail.com wrote: That article doesn't make sense to me. You are proposing that a name change will make non-listeners into listeners, I don't think that's gonna work at all. I think that any non-listening scientists that would read

Re: [Vo]:Why Cold Fusion Has to Die

2013-07-15 Thread Vorl Bek
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 10:46:46 -0400 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com wrote: And when 'spam' had its meaning changed from 'unsolicited commercial email' to 'any email you do not want to receive', I figured scoundrels were trying to pull the wool

Re: [Vo]:Venus - high and dry - why ?

2013-06-17 Thread Vorl Bek
I wish Archimedes Plutonium would join this list.

Re: [Vo]:Over 40 messages posted by Joshua Cude posted on June 4

2013-06-04 Thread Vorl Bek
On Tue, 4 Jun 2013 07:35:47 -0500 OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: Mr. Beaty, When I opened up my mail box this morning I was flooded with over 40 posted messages from Joshua Cude. And it's only 7:10 AM in the morning. I know of no one within the Vort

Re: [Vo]:Over 40 messages posted by Joshua Cude posted on June 4

2013-06-04 Thread Vorl Bek
On Tue, 4 Jun 2013 09:28:12 -0700 MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Vorl: You haven't a clue either... When it comes to LENR, there is overwhelming evidence Then why haven't MIT and GE noticed the overwhelming evidence and taken out patents so they can add a trillion or so

Re: [Vo]:Over 40 messages posted by Joshua Cude posted on June 4

2013-06-04 Thread Vorl Bek
On Tue, 4 Jun 2013 14:29:27 -0400 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: The fact that these measurements have enormous implications has no bearing on...how believable they are. Of course it does. Do you think GE will be beating down Rossi's doors because of this one test? ; but

Re: [Vo]:Over 40 messages posted by Joshua Cude posted on June 4

2013-06-04 Thread Vorl Bek
On Tue, 4 Jun 2013 15:46:16 -0400 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com wrote: Of course it does. Do you think GE will be beating down Rossi's doors because of this one test? No, as I said, they know nothing about this. I doubt GE got to where

Re: [Vo]:Over 40 messages posted by Joshua Cude posted on June 4

2013-06-04 Thread Vorl Bek
On Tue, 4 Jun 2013 16:15:23 -0400 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Please stop the nonsense. You said that right here: That is true. The risk for Levi is negligible and he can always claim ignorance. Levi has very steady job at university and his pay roll is determined solely by

Re: [Vo]:Over 40 messages posted by Joshua Cude posted on June 4

2013-06-04 Thread Vorl Bek
On Tue, 4 Jun 2013 16:48:10 -0400 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: You are right! You did not say that. Jouni Valkonen did. I somehow got the messages mixed up. My apologies. No problem.

Re: [Vo]:Fact checking: Did Nature (or others) publicly decide to reject all cold fusion papers?

2013-06-02 Thread Vorl Bek
On Sun, 2 Jun 2013 16:14:35 -0400 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: A lie detector test should be a requirement of employment for their institution which asks the critical question: “Do you or have you ever opposed the idea of LENR to have

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion

2013-06-01 Thread Vorl Bek
On Sat, 1 Jun 2013 06:52:44 -0400 Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com wrote: Greeting Vortex-L Boring http://www.lenrnews.eu/ Are you kidding? This blows Rossi out of the water. [quote] The good-news claim is that DGT can control their multi-stage dynamic process. We observed their

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion

2013-06-01 Thread Vorl Bek
On Sat, 1 Jun 2013 10:28:03 -0400 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com wrote: No crazy apply more heat to make it stop nonsense. Why is this nonsense? I don't have the eloquence to explain, but if you ask over at moletrap.co.uk, or wavewatching.net

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion

2013-06-01 Thread Vorl Bek
On Sat, 1 Jun 2013 10:50:12 -0400 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com wrote: Why is this nonsense? I don't have the eloquence to explain, but if you ask over at moletrap.co.uk, or wavewatching.net/fringe, they can clear it up for you

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion

2013-06-01 Thread Vorl Bek
The moletrap people are certainly, most of them, emotionally adolescent, self-congratulatory clowns, but they seem knowledgeable about this stuff, so even their sneering opinions might be worth considering. I am sure they would be as happy as you are to see lenr cars, hot-water heaters,

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-29 Thread Vorl Bek
On Tue, 28 May 2013 16:46:34 -0700 Andrew andrew...@att.net wrote: Thank you for being straightforward on both points. And now we definitively know that the cable itself is secret. Of course, that will not bother the majority of people here. Move along, nothing to see here. I thought

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-29 Thread Vorl Bek
On Wed, 29 May 2013 09:49:26 -0400 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Vorl Bek wrote: Whether or not they have ruled it out, nobody in his right mind would let this single test convert him to a belief in lenr. Perhaps. But anyone in his right mind who looks at all

Re: [Vo]:MODERATOR: J. Cude, extensive Rule 2 violations

2013-05-12 Thread Vorl Bek
On Sat, 11 May 2013 17:53:29 -0500 Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not interested in an inaccessible (non-archived) list like vortex-b, so I'll just slink away. I may post a few responses to Rothwell's latest replies over on wavewatching.net/fringe if they tolerate it.

Re: [Vo]:MODERATOR: J. Cude, extensive Rule 2 violations

2013-05-12 Thread Vorl Bek
On Sun, 12 May 2013 09:12:56 -0400 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: If you think there is merit to a skeptical point of view, why don't you write about it? I don't know very much about this business and I can not debate it, but I consider myself to be like a juror listening to the

Re: [Vo]:Hagelstein's editorial

2013-05-09 Thread Vorl Bek
On Thu, 9 May 2013 14:20:42 -0700 Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 2:57 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: Again with the semantics. I don't really care what word you use. To me, both polywater and cold fusion are almost certainly bogus

Re: [Vo]:New image, and site

2013-04-24 Thread Vorl Bek
This reminds me of the Stephen King story about the fellow who had the ability to draw an image which, when looked at by its intended target, caused him to commit suicide a few days later. Of course, this is benign; maybe it could be developed from making someone's hand warm to making him more

Re: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-13 Thread Vorl Bek
On Sat, 13 Apr 2013 10:47:18 -0700 (PDT) Analog Fan analogit...@yahoo.com wrote: How could anyone be surprised that there is negativity towards Sterling's capers? As you pointed out, this is exactly the same as countless free energy scams Sterling has been involved with. It's not

Re: [Vo]:Tesla to eat GM's lunch?

2013-03-29 Thread Vorl Bek
On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 14:15:02 -0700 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: The Tesla S, at its present rate of sales (500/week) is outpacing the Volt... despite its higher price and the lame story from the NY Times ... ... Go Elon, go ... Given your headline to your post, I don't doubt that

Re: [Vo]:Should We Send a Team to Rescue Curiosity?

2013-02-27 Thread Vorl Bek
On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 14:59:40 -0500 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: The report says it would release 20 billion megatons. Surely that is a tad exaggerated.

Re: [Vo]:Should We Send a Team to Rescue Curiosity?

2013-02-27 Thread Vorl Bek
On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 15:33:34 -0500 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com wrote: The report says it would release 20 billion megatons. Surely that is a tad exaggerated. I don't think so. A 10-km object striking at 20 km/s will produce

Re: [Vo]:Should We Send a Team to Rescue Curiosity?

2013-02-27 Thread Vorl Bek
On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 15:45:52 -0500 ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Jed, I am in your camp on this. It is time we figure out all that is orbiting out there, some of it at extremely high speeds and energy levels I believe. There may be less to this than meets the eye. Looking around

Re: [Vo]:The limits of 3-D replicators

2013-02-25 Thread Vorl Bek
On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 19:37:28 -0500 (EST) David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Artificial intelligence will be in control of us if we are not smart enough to place limits upon it. If the human brain can be effectively duplicated with electronics it will become impossible to tell the

Re: [Vo]:rather big fragment of the Chelyabinsk is discovered (fwd)

2013-02-23 Thread Vorl Bek
On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 17:41:11 -0500 ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Only 9,999.99 tons to go! And what happened to the remains of the Tunguska meteor??? Even if it broke up in the air, there must have been humungous chunks of the thing lying around, but the expeditions found only

Re: [Vo]:Russian meteor causes blast; hundreds injured

2013-02-15 Thread Vorl Bek
On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 09:23:22 -0500 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: This video captures the sound of the explosion and breaking glass: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8dA2A_df0w This may wake people up and make them realize the need for Spaceguard. Why? The last time a big rock

Re: [Vo]:Russian meteor causes blast; hundreds injured

2013-02-15 Thread Vorl Bek
On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 10:04:27 -0500 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com wrote: And when was the one before that? No one knows when the last one was. It might have hit the Pacific. The population was lower. But you are missing the point. Celestial

Re: [Vo]:Russian meteor causes blast; hundreds injured

2013-02-15 Thread Vorl Bek
On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 16:52:41 -0500 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: They determined that the most recent catastrophic strike was in the year 536 AD, in the ocean north of Australia. This caused global-wide disruption. See this 2008 article:

Re: [Vo]:Russian meteor causes blast; hundreds injured

2013-02-15 Thread Vorl Bek
On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 18:06:15 -0500 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com wrote: So 1500 years ago a rock falling into the ocean caused a couple of cold years, about the equivalent of the Tambora explosion of 1815. European civilization survived

Re: [Vo]:Near earth asteroid info

2013-02-07 Thread Vorl Bek
If we have the ability to deflect large objects, we would probably have the ability simply to nuke them with a 20 megaton bomb and turn them into gravel (presumably). In fact, my vague impression is that we have that ability now or could have it within a decade. A 'spaceguard' of orbiting nukes,

Re: [Vo]:OT Global Warming

2013-02-06 Thread Vorl Bek
On Wed, 6 Feb 2013 09:36:38 -0500 ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Speaking of cows and CMEs... I believe some of those energetic particles/micro black holes/ball lightning/plasmoid particles expelled from the sun are causing cattle mutilatios on Earth. The low momentum ones move

Re: [Vo]:OT Global Warming

2013-02-06 Thread Vorl Bek
On Wed, 6 Feb 2013 15:40:49 -0500 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Brad Lowe ecatbuil...@gmail.com wrote: It doesn't help that Al Gore's graphs showing a hockey stick increase in temperatures (and hurricanes) has been flat-lined for a decade.) That is incorrect.

Re: [Vo]: Magnetic Not Gravitational

2013-01-21 Thread Vorl Bek
On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:10:02 -0600 Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com wrote: Can you send me a paper with your theory explained in details, with calculations and simulations? A story telling in a blog using some nonsensical words would not make it. Thanks, I can not speak for Chem of

Re: [Vo]: Magnetic Not Gravitational

2013-01-20 Thread Vorl Bek
On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 16:33:48 -0500 ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: If you do not think that is strange then take a look at some of those electromagnetic crop circles over the past 20 years and you will realize that this is what they have been telling us all along. If the particles

Re: [Vo]: Magnetic Not Gravitational

2013-01-20 Thread Vorl Bek
On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 16:01:09 -0600 Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com wrote: In fact, now that you mention it, Chem, bold spots on top of middle aged man heads could also be created by entropic particles channeled through magnetic reconnection lines? What do you think? If I catch the

Re: [Vo]:PLEASE READ, two new rules

2013-01-09 Thread Vorl Bek
Below are two long-standing but unwritten rules of vortex-L: 1. DO NOT FEED A TROLL. If someone is insulting, then you are required to put their address in local killfile. If you don't know what trolls are, and aren't familiar with this issue, do not subscribe to vortex-L Good

[Vo]:The two vortexes

2013-01-09 Thread Vorl Bek
I can't tell the difference between one vortex and the other when I have downloaded the mail from them. If I use the mail client filter to dump messages from both into the same folder, and I am subscribed to both, my reply to a message is transparent to me as to which vortex I am replying to. It

Re: [Vo]:Rossi Says .. EMF Directly from the Reactor Core!! (??)

2013-01-02 Thread Vorl Bek
On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 10:50:05 -0500 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: and possibly why Richard Feynman died of Abdominal Cancer. Are you suggesting Feynman got cancer because he was exposed to the Papp device? I know that he was exposed

Re: [Vo]: Sent a message of query off to Mr. Beaty concerning recent trolling activity

2012-12-23 Thread Vorl Bek
On Sat, 22 Dec 2012 17:54:14 -0600 OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: From Vorl: I recently started to block everything from or about him so I do not see anything. A sensible approach. As previously mentioned, I also block his posts. But I also choose

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Sent a message of query off to Mr. Beaty concerning recent trolling activity

2012-12-22 Thread Vorl Bek
I haven't seen any trolling here. What I have seen are opinions of one gentleman being depreciated, often with insult, whereupon he answers vigorously. If the people who do not like his opinions would ignore him, or reply politely, I don't think there would be a problem. I recently started to

Re: [Vo]:Skynet Advances

2012-12-22 Thread Vorl Bek
Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Amundsen to reach the south pole. He was an excellent explorer, and very methodical. He got there and back on schedule without undo risk. But the public never felt good about him because his plan involved shooting dogs along the way, and feeding them

Re: [Vo]:Giant potato just misses Earth

2012-12-18 Thread Vorl Bek
It sounds like one of Hannu Poropudas's Space Potatoes.

Re: [Vo]:Continued trolling by Jojo Jaro

2012-12-18 Thread Vorl Bek
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 12:33:25 -0600 OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: My take on all of this… and I’m sure Jojo is listening in… I just realized that the email client I use, it's called Sylpheed, not only lets you killfile messages from a particular user, or a

Re: [Vo]:How bad is this news? Jed Rothwell

2012-12-05 Thread Vorl Bek
I seem to recall that Jojo has been called a 'bible fanatic' and worse. Do you expect him to quietly put up with that kind of insult? If you don't like what he says, killfile him, but don't call for his banning because of his less than gentlemanly language; it makes those who do sound like

Re: [Vo]:Michio Kaku: One solar flare could bring many Fukushimas

2012-11-23 Thread Vorl Bek
On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 12:10:07 -0500 (EST) pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Preventing Armageddon Would Cost Only $100 Million … But Congress Is Too Thick to Approve the Fix

Re: [Vo]:LENR-CANR.org year-end fundraising campaign

2012-11-14 Thread Vorl Bek
On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 14:09:13 +0200 Esa Ruoho esaru...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone else object to posts like the one below? I do not. It is always good for Enthusiasts to be cautioned about how they spend their Money, lest, in an Enthusiastick Fit, they spend it Foolishly.

Re: [Vo]:cause of hurracane

2012-11-01 Thread Vorl Bek
It's too bad Long John Nebel is no longer with us; this would have been perfect for his show. On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 13:49:33 -0400 ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Well Frank, here is why Sandy happened... The low pressure system that Sandy ran into was actually the low pressure

[Vo]:Aliens Favour Romney

2012-10-22 Thread Vorl Bek
It looks like Aliens (interstellar types) favour Romney for President. http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/dmr/romney-temp/

Re: [Vo]:Everything I Needed to Know about Cold Fusion was in a......Crop Circle?

2012-10-17 Thread Vorl Bek
On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 14:21:06 -0400 ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: I am not sure, but appears to me that the circles in the attached photos might be showing us Cold Fusion. Maybe they were created by drunken englishmen, maybe not. They were probably created by drunken physicists.

Re: [Vo]:Crowdfunding and cold fusion

2012-09-20 Thread Vorl Bek
On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 09:14:17 -0400 hyuk...@asia.com wrote: Def: Ad Nauseum = Jojo Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy Jojo Jaro Tue, 07 Aug 2012 17:48:28 -0700 Alan, the link is interesting and if you are suggesting that I should take this Obama

Re: [Vo]:Koch founded climate skeptic changes sides

2012-07-30 Thread Vorl Bek
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 16:20:49 -0400 David L Babcock ol...@rochester.rr.com wrote: On 7/30/2012 3:27 PM, Chemical Engineer wrote: It seems to me that if LENR is real and scalable and we have approx 50 years to turn things around, some new industries that should arise, based upon sound

Re: [Vo]:Koch founded climate skeptic changes sides

2012-07-30 Thread Vorl Bek
, and there are disgusting Holocaust abstainers who don't care that Germans died, and even inhuman Holocaust advocates! who say my relatives had it coming. -- Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com

Re: [Vo]:Koch founded climate skeptic changes sides

2012-07-30 Thread Vorl Bek
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:04:35 -0400 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: This makes no sense. These are technical problems. If you find a technical solution your own people you can apply just as easily to everyone else in the world. Sounds terrific. If people like you want to make sure

Re: [Vo]:FYI: A New Model for Matter, Space and Energy

2012-07-27 Thread Vorl Bek
! ! ! CONGRATULATIONS Mr. M. A. B. Garstin; you NAILED IT! ! ! This suggests that the constitution of a proton is, in fact, simply EM radiation at energy levels above that of gamma. big snip Amazing. 600 words or so without a break; not, I admit, that I would have read all of them in any

Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]: Dave’s Demon and Radiation Free LENR

2012-06-30 Thread Vorl Bek
I've always wondered if this were a red herring designed to lead astray those intent upon creating bombs. ;) All I know is that the magazine that published the 'secret' of the h-bomb said it was radiation pressure from the a-bomb trigger that compressed the fuel for the h-bomb. The US

Re: [Vo]:OT: Please! Let's do our part and keep OFF-TOPIC off this list!

2012-06-17 Thread Vorl Bek
Jed, I agree. Cold Fusion touches every aspect of our lives and society, but that does not mean every aspect of our lives and society is appropriate for this forum. One may argue that some topics are marginally relevant but surely, you can agree that some topics are way off topic. Surely

Re: [Vo]:OT: Wisconsin will chose their governor in less than 24 hours

2012-06-05 Thread Vorl Bek
This is another OFF TOPIC Wisconsin Political commentary. If not interested, please skip this post! You have been warned! Why don't you use vortex-b for this stuff?

Re: [Vo]: brand new twisted conspiracy theory

2012-05-30 Thread Vorl Bek
I think you should develop more you story. It has a decent premise, I think. It reminds me of the scifi story about the benign aliens who own earth but have kept to a hands-off policy all these millennia. Because of a shakeup in galactic politics, they sell earth to a coalition which believes

Re: [Vo]:Unidentified subject!

2012-05-06 Thread Vorl Bek
Can you tell us what is so special about the coolcube? It looks like just another solar panel, with some fresnel lenses to concentrate the sunlight. I admit I know little about the technical points, but haven't schemes like this been tried for years? Why should your plastic lenses be any better

Re: [Vo]:International Conference The Atom Unexplored - May 4th, 2012

2012-04-19 Thread Vorl Bek
From Akira, I forgot to add that all this information came from 22passi: http://22passi.blogspot.it/2012/04/latomo-inesplorato-torino-4-maggio-2012.html Jones sez: Fabulous cover-art image - reminiscent of a Serpinski fractal - Menger sponge. etc. Metaphorical to the

Re: [Vo]:International Conference The Atom Unexplored - May 4th, 2012

2012-04-19 Thread Vorl Bek
From Akira, I forgot to add that all this information came from 22passi: http://22passi.blogspot.it/2012/04/latomo-inesplorato-torino-4-maggio-2012.html Jones sez: Fabulous cover-art image - reminiscent of a Serpinski fractal - Menger sponge. etc. Metaphorical to the

Re: [Vo]:In the foodsteps of Jules Verne

2012-04-11 Thread Vorl Bek
That does not seem to be issue. EW do not mention it. The only materials issue is space junk poking holes in the ribbons. Space junk has to be cleaned up, and it could be with a multi-ribbon space elevator. You would have to devote one ribbon to an interceptor craft for several months. How

Re: [Vo]:Future transportation with cold fusion and robots

2012-04-06 Thread Vorl Bek
They have human drivers so they are expensive. The drivers are often surly... A slur such as 'surly' surely does not apply to the great majority of drivers.

Re: [Vo]:defkalion eyewitness

2012-03-25 Thread Vorl Bek
Interesting ... but I hope it isn't that Aussie Guy . Interesting comments a couple of posts down, too, concerning Rossi and a report of the 1MW going unstable during the test. - Original Message - there is a guy 'woomera' over at Chris Martensons forum, who claims to have

Re: [Vo]:Test day in Greece time

2012-02-25 Thread Vorl Bek
Please take this to vortexb.

Re: [Vo]:100 years 1912 beep beep beep and aliens

2012-02-21 Thread Vorl Bek
Ion-propulsion is highly inefficient, but because it produces only a limited amount of power, the equivalence of a piece of paper resting on your hand (please, whatever you do don't vast snip I have to killfile this guy. I guess he is trying to write in html, but it comes across as a

Re: [Vo]:Sterling Allan / S-African Free Fuel Generator FFG trip

2012-02-14 Thread Vorl Bek
From Daniel Damn! HE  IS TOTALLY  INSANE  I CANNOT  STOP  LAUGHING HAHAHAHAHA! :D Sterling is simply behaving like an evangelist of a different cloth. All evangelists want to spread the good news. Some more obnoxiously that others. ;-) Did Sterling speak in Greek (or

Re: [Vo]:A huge Rossi (bad) thing to be revealed soon. (Daniele Passerini)

2012-01-28 Thread Vorl Bek
I have been reading Mary's stuff since the early Steorn days and if she is not a woman I will eat my hat.

Re: [Vo]:Forum ?

2012-01-25 Thread Vorl Bek
Hello Im following this group with great interest, im a e-cat experimental device builder. I have a question to the group, would you guys like a Forum instead of discussing mail wise ? I could get a new forum up and running in an hour or so, we can set someone as moderator, or have a

[Vo]:Rossi's Best Chance

2012-01-24 Thread Vorl Bek
Wolf Fischer wrote: there have been two different news lately: The first one being that Ampenergo seemingly has gone inactive (although I don't know what this exactly means, if this is even the company which is related to Leonardo, how this would affect Rossi, etc.):

Re: [Vo]:Greg Watson is VERY rude!

2012-01-22 Thread Vorl Bek
Eff: Who cares? This is personal garbage. Please get it OFF VORTEX. Take your personal vendetta someplace else. At least take it to vortexb. Grok is waiting.

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Vorl Bek
Andre, Question: Is the container gone? Answer: Yes. Can't be much simpler than that. Maybe the container in the video and picture is a demo, like the ones in car showrooms. The one the customer actually buys is the one from the lot or the one being manufactured that is shipped in a

Re: [Vo]:Goodbye Greg

2012-01-19 Thread Vorl Bek
What if AG is Greg Watson? Most of the posts to this list in regard to Rossi are dream-stuff anyway. Why ask for reality at this point? AG's stuff is entertaining; that should be enough for anybody here. If AG is accused of being Watson, he may stop posting and make this a poorer place.

Re: [Vo]:Hank Mills: NASA, MIT, and the DOE have blood on their hands.

2012-01-17 Thread Vorl Bek
Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: -- One of these individuals would have been the next nuclear-armed H* Is Hitler's name still so painful to contemplate that it can't be spelt out 68 years after the war ended? Maybe we should start writing S* and M** T** T*** as well.

Re: [Vo]:UNSUBSRIBE

2012-01-13 Thread Vorl Bek
Unsubscribeunsubscribeunsubscribe... I've tried 4 times to get off this mailing list. This is the fifth! It's like the Roach Motel - you can go in but you don't come out.

Re: [Vo]:Simple, even simple-minded tests can be a great help in understanding these things

2012-01-07 Thread Vorl Bek
I think MY is doing a good job here. If it were not for her, Cude, and a few others, this place would see a frenzy of chicken-counting before the hatching takes place, at least when it comes to Rossi.

Re: [Vo]:Jed and others 2012 predictions please

2012-01-02 Thread Vorl Bek
I sent a reply to vortex-b The sig should have read: http://wattsupwiththat.com For a Better World, With Fewer Mouths To Feed - They will be worth more.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi announces a titanic step forward, how he will deal with competitors and 1m E-Cats for 2012

2011-12-28 Thread Vorl Bek
In ecatnews.com http://ecatnews.com/?p=1727, Paul Story commented: [The idea that we have two fraudulant entities outbidding each other in an open exchange of illusionary pricing – shouting at each other from opposite sides of the Atlantic Ocean – is too bizarre to be given space except in

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

2011-12-26 Thread Vorl Bek
MaryYugo Wrote: Want respect, not mention tons of fame and fortune? Close the loop and make them self running except for (rare) refueling. You'd be the first. That's for sure. I wonder why the people AG bought the gadgets from did not close the loop, or why the high school students who made

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

2011-12-26 Thread Vorl Bek
Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com wrote: Nobody ever closes the loop. That is incorrect. Many people have closed the loop, starting with Fleischmann and Pons. In cold fusion jargon, closing the loop is called running in heat after death mode. Fleischmann once called it fully ignited

Re: [Vo]:POLITICAL What is the best way to advocate?

2011-12-23 Thread Vorl Bek
Jed Rothwell says: Do you think OPEC and Big Coal will be thrilled? You think they will roll over and play dead? They will demand that it be banned. And when the Chinese and Japanese and everybody with a brain starts churning out ecats, will Big Coal knock on their door and demand that they

Re: [Vo]:Miley and other professors can only take money from official sources

2011-12-19 Thread Vorl Bek
On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Gene went from a top academic career to working in a warehouse at night to feed his family. He was a science writer. Respectable, yes. Top academic career, no. Fleischmann and Pons had a terrible

Re: [Vo]:Miley and other professors can only take money from official sources

2011-12-19 Thread Vorl Bek
Jed Rothwell wrote: You did not know him. You did not spend weeks at his house, as I did. You do know what he accomplished, or what difficulties he faced. So I suggest you stop making ignorant assertions about him. I think you have Cude killfiled, or you would know that he wrote what you

Re: [Vo]:Miley and other professors can only take money from official sources

2011-12-19 Thread Vorl Bek
Jed Rothwell wrote: I do have him killfiled. For my peace of mind. I apologize if I mixed you up with him. I wasn't paying much attention to the top of the message, or who wrote it. Sorry about that. That's OK. To the degree I can follow this, I agree with him rather than you or the other

Re: [Vo]:Miley and other professors can only take money from official sources

2011-12-19 Thread Vorl Bek
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com wrote: That's OK. To the degree I can follow this, I agree with him rather than you or the other optimists here. Then what is the reason for your presence on this list? To turn optimism into pessimism? To fix those

Re: [Vo]:CALL FOR REDIRECT OF SOME TOPICS OR DISCUSSIONS TO VORTEX-B

2011-12-19 Thread Vorl Bek
I presume this is in reference to vortex-b. Unfortunately, vortex-b is set up as a no-holds bar forum where anything goes. Long ago I stopped subscribing to b because what goes on there disgusts me. Anybody can join b and not fear being removed simply because there are no rules. It's turned

Re: [Vo]:CALL FOR REDIRECT OF SOME TOPICS OR DISCUSSIONS TO VORTEX-B

2011-12-19 Thread Vorl Bek
It's called the scorched earth syndrome. Things got so bad that most, myself included, simply subscribed out of b. I suspect the trolls are still however. They are still subscribed to b, abiding their time, waiting to pounce. If everybody feels that way, 'b' will never be used. It could at

Re: [Vo]:Mass media exposure kills SPAWAR cold fusion research

2011-12-18 Thread Vorl Bek
As I said, most cold fusion research is done on a shoestring, tucked away in a corner were the people in charge will not notice it. You have to keep a low profile in this business. So please do not write letters to the Navy demanding this be allowed. You will only make things worse. I will

Re: [Vo]:Mass media exposure kills SPAWAR cold fusion research

2011-12-18 Thread Vorl Bek
It remains to be seen whether Rossi's demonstrations and sales will convince the wider world. How can they not? The October 28 customer has had the 50 e-cats for 6 weeks. I can hear the dialogue now: So how's it going with the e-cats, Manny? The sons-of-guns have been running for six weeks,

Re: [Vo]:What is so special abbout Rossi?

2011-12-11 Thread Vorl Bek
There are scientists that report much better results: http://pages.csam.montclair.edu/~kowalski/cf/204israel.html citation: - Run #64b gave 1500% excess heat over a duration of 80 hours with a total excess energy of 4.6 Megajoules So, why do they all stare at Rossi and his poor COP and

Re: [Vo]:What is so special abbout Rossi?

2011-12-11 Thread Vorl Bek
The circus is the continual refusal by deniers that call over 1 year of published peer reviewed (Levi, Kullander, Celani, etc) test data rubbish when it is the deniers that are making up rubbish claims. You want science? Wait until Rossi sells me a E-Cat and you can give it your all, that is

Re: [Vo]:Re: Krivit article on NASA Forum

2011-12-05 Thread Vorl Bek
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: So Steorn were not true scammers? No, just stupid. And usually drunk. What is it so far ~16 million? Not bad for a bunch of stupid drunks.

Re: [Vo]:Ni producer

2011-12-05 Thread Vorl Bek
not so false. according to Rossi's E-cat figures, it would consume 25% of annual Ni production to produce the annual energy. According to one of the big conspiracy sites the e-cat's core is literally a roll of US nickels (plus the catalyst).

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