Re: [Vo]:Rossi announces a titanic step forward, how he will deal with competitors and 1m E-Cats for 2012

[Horace Heffner]

On Dec 29, 2011, at 8:54 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:




On 11-12-29 12:02 PM, Horace Heffner wrote:



On Dec 29, 2011, at 5:17 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:




On 11-12-29 01:57 AM, Mary Yugo wrote:



Having said all that, Stephen, please prove you exist.


That's a tough one.

Descartes's "proof" was defective, of course -- it proved only  
that I do not see how I could not exist, not that I could not  
possibly not exist.  Among other issues with his proof, the rules  
of inference with which he was working are an assumption, akin to  
an axiom, and can't be proven.






If you accept the causal nature of the universe


Ahem.

Correlation is not causality.

Repeated correlation is not proof of causality.

Causality can, in fact, never be proved for any real events, and  
the existence of causality in our mental model of the universe is  
not proof that causality plays a role in the universe itself.



then that which is not can not create that which is [not?].   If  
you deny a causal universe then there can be no meaning in  
anything, especially logical philosophical discussion.  The  
premises of logic do not hold.


Well that was kind of the point -- the "premises" of logic are just  
that, premises.  They are something we assume.  Assuming them turns  
ones own existence into something of a tautology.  If we don't  
assume them, on the other hand, then we we can't conclude anything,  
including that we, ourselves, exist.




 Logical discussion is not possible.

I create therefore I am.  If you agree with the existence of my  
creation then you agree with my existence.


These words are my creation.  Do you have a response?  8^)


Do your words exist, or do I just think they do?

Do my thoughts exist, or am I merely confused?

Or am I?


If you accept Aristotelean logic, and you acknowledge my statements,  
you thus acknowledge my existence.  I acknowledge your statements,  
thus I acknowledge your existence.  This of course says nothing about  
our physical nature or location though.  Perhaps we are merely  
subtask clusters in a great parallel computer.


Given that the universe is stochastic in nature at its fundamental  
level, perhaps Aristotelean logic is not justifiable, thus only  
Bayesian inference is justifiable.  Since you acknowledge my  
statements, you thereby acknowledge the significant probability of my  
existence.  I acknowledge your statements, thus I acknowledge the  
significant probability of your existence.  This of course says  
nothing about our physical nature or location though.  Perhaps we are  
merely subnetworks in a great quantum computer, or at least one of us  
is.   8^)


Best regards,

Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/

Re: [Vo]:Rossi announces a titanic step forward, how he will deal with competitors and 1m E-Cats for 2012

[Stephen A. Lawrence]

On 11-12-29 12:02 PM, Horace Heffner wrote:


On Dec 29, 2011, at 5:17 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:




On 11-12-29 01:57 AM, Mary Yugo wrote:


Having said all that, Stephen, please prove you exist.


That's a tough one.

Descartes's "proof" was defective, of course -- it proved only that I 
do not see how I could not exist, not that I could not possibly not 
exist.  Among other issues with his proof, the rules of inference 
with which he was working are an assumption, akin to an axiom, and 
can't be proven.





If you accept the causal nature of the universe


Ahem.

Correlation is not causality.

Repeated correlation is not proof of causality.

Causality can, in fact, never be proved for any real events, and the 
existence of causality in our mental model of the universe is not proof 
that causality plays a role in the universe itself.



then that which is not can not create that which is [not?].   If you 
deny a causal universe then there can be no meaning in anything, 
especially logical philosophical discussion.  The premises of logic do 
not hold. 


Well that was kind of the point -- the "premises" of logic are just 
that, premises.  They are something we assume.  Assuming them turns ones 
own existence into something of a tautology.  If we don't assume them, 
on the other hand, then we we can't conclude anything, including that 
we, ourselves, exist.




 Logical discussion is not possible.

I create therefore I am.  If you agree with the existence of my 
creation then you agree with my existence.


These words are my creation.  Do you have a response?  8^)


Do your words exist, or do I just think they do?

Do my thoughts exist, or am I merely confused?

Or am I?




Best regards,

Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/ 

Re: [Vo]:Rossi announces a titanic step forward, how he will deal with competitors and 1m E-Cats for 2012

[Horace Heffner]

On Dec 29, 2011, at 5:17 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:




On 11-12-29 01:57 AM, Mary Yugo wrote:




On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 7:05 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence  
 wrote:


On 11-12-28 08:40 PM, Mary Yugo wrote:
Unless I'm greatly mistaken, you've accused a number of people of  
failing to exist.


The only allegation of non existence I've ever made is the non- 
existence of a proper and credible experiment that proves that the  
E-cat works as advertised.   Of that, I'm quite sure.


The other non-existence attributes I've alleged are only potential  
-- as in: "Rossi's anonymous customer may not exist or may be  
associated with Rossi." -- to give an example.  I've never accused  
anyone of fraud in conjunction with Rossi and Defkalion.  I have,  
however, pointed to Steorn as an example of something which  
developed similarly and appears very similar and clearly is a  
fraud -- which has been crystal clear for at least two years. I  
have said many times that Rossi and Defkalion could be frauds.  I  
think the probability that they are is quite significant.  It's an  
opinion-- not a statement of facts.


Having said all that, Stephen, please prove you exist.


That's a tough one.

Descartes's "proof" was defective, of course -- it proved only that  
I do not see how I could not exist, not that I could not possibly  
not exist.  Among other issues with his proof, the rules of  
inference with which he was working are an assumption, akin to an  
axiom, and can't be proven.






If you accept the causal nature of the universe then that which is  
not can not create that which is not.   If you deny a causal universe  
then there can be no meaning in anything, especially logical  
philosophical discussion.  The premises of logic do not hold.   
Logical discussion is not possible.


I create therefore I am.  If you agree with the existence of my  
creation then you agree with my existence.


These words are my creation.  Do you have a response?  8^)

Best regards,

Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/

Re: [Vo]:Rossi announces a titanic step forward, how he will deal with competitors and 1m E-Cats for 2012

[Susanna Gipp]

Come on guys! What the proof is of the  existence of this big customer ? A
lot of Rossi's words of course, a mysteriuos engineer named Fioravanti
(Colonel uh ?)  Retired ? Unenployed ? Not appearing anywhere in any
phonebook or internet professional board ... ?!
Just for the record, Fioravanti is a very common lastname in Bologna area.


2011/12/29 Stephen A. Lawrence 

> **
>
>
> On 11-12-29 01:57 AM, Mary Yugo wrote:
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 7:05 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
>
>>
>> On 11-12-28 08:40 PM, Mary Yugo wrote:
>>  Unless I'm greatly mistaken, you've accused a number of people of
>> failing to exist.
>>
>
>  The only allegation of non existence I've ever made is the non-existence
> of a proper and credible experiment that proves that the E-cat works as
> advertised.   Of that, I'm quite sure.
>
> The other non-existence attributes I've alleged are only potential -- as
> in: "Rossi's anonymous customer may not exist or may be associated with
> Rossi." -- to give an example.  I've never accused anyone of fraud in
> conjunction with Rossi and Defkalion.  I have, however, pointed to Steorn
> as an example of something which developed similarly and appears very
> similar and clearly is a fraud -- which has been crystal clear for at least
> two years. I have said many times that Rossi and Defkalion could be
> frauds.  I think the probability that they are is quite significant.  It's
> an opinion-- not a statement of facts.
>
> Having said all that, Stephen, please prove you exist.
>
>
> That's a tough one.
>
> Descartes's "proof" was defective, of course -- it proved only that I do
> not see how I could not exist, not that I could not possibly not exist.
> Among other issues with his proof, the rules of inference with which he was
> working are an assumption, akin to an axiom, and can't be proven.
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Rossi announces a titanic step forward, how he will deal with competitors and 1m E-Cats for 2012

[Dr Josef Karthauser]

On 29 Dec 2011, at 14:17, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:

>> Having said all that, Stephen, please prove you exist.
> 
> That's a tough one.
> 
> Descartes's "proof" was defective, of course -- it proved only that I do not 
> see how I could not exist, not that I could not possibly not exist.  Among 
> other issues with his proof, the rules of inference with which he was working 
> are an assumption, akin to an axiom, and can't be proven.

Of course, it's really "I am, therefore I think", and not the other way around 
;)

Joe

> 

Re: [Vo]:Rossi announces a titanic step forward, how he will deal with competitors and 1m E-Cats for 2012

[Stephen A. Lawrence]

On 11-12-29 01:57 AM, Mary Yugo wrote:



On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 7:05 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence > wrote:



On 11-12-28 08:40 PM, Mary Yugo wrote:
Unless I'm greatly mistaken, you've accused a number of people of
failing to exist.


The only allegation of non existence I've ever made is the 
non-existence of a proper and credible experiment that proves that the 
E-cat works as advertised.   Of that, I'm quite sure.


The other non-existence attributes I've alleged are only potential -- 
as in: "Rossi's anonymous customer may not exist or may be associated 
with Rossi." -- to give an example.  I've never accused anyone of 
fraud in conjunction with Rossi and Defkalion.  I have, however, 
pointed to Steorn as an example of something which developed similarly 
and appears very similar and clearly is a fraud -- which has been 
crystal clear for at least two years. I have said many times that 
Rossi and Defkalion could be frauds.  I think the probability that 
they are is quite significant.  It's an opinion-- not a statement of 
facts.


Having said all that, Stephen, please prove you exist.


That's a tough one.

Descartes's "proof" was defective, of course -- it proved only that I do 
not see how I could not exist, not that I could not possibly not exist.  
Among other issues with his proof, the rules of inference with which he 
was working are an assumption, akin to an axiom, and can't be proven.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi announces a titanic step forward, how he will deal with competitors and 1m E-Cats for 2012

[Mary Yugo]

On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 7:05 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:

> **
>
> On 11-12-28 08:40 PM, Mary Yugo wrote:
> Unless I'm greatly mistaken, you've accused a number of people of failing
> to exist.
>

The only allegation of non existence I've ever made is the non-existence of
a proper and credible experiment that proves that the E-cat works as
advertised.   Of that, I'm quite sure.

The other non-existence attributes I've alleged are only potential -- as
in: "Rossi's anonymous customer may not exist or may be associated with
Rossi." -- to give an example.  I've never accused anyone of fraud in
conjunction with Rossi and Defkalion.  I have, however, pointed to Steorn
as an example of something which developed similarly and appears very
similar and clearly is a fraud -- which has been crystal clear for at least
two years. I have said many times that Rossi and Defkalion could be
frauds.  I think the probability that they are is quite significant.  It's
an opinion-- not a statement of facts.

Having said all that, Stephen, please prove you exist.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi announces a titanic step forward, how he will deal with competitors and 1m E-Cats for 2012

[Stephen A. Lawrence]

On 11-12-28 08:40 PM, Mary Yugo wrote:



On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Jed Rothwell > wrote:


Mary Yugo wrote:

I don't recall accusing anyone of anything.  I raise
possibilities which should be very easy to knock down.


You do accuse people.


Cite it or don't say it.  Who did I accuse and of what and where did I 
do it?


Unless I'm greatly mistaken, you've accused a number of people of 
failing to exist.


These certainly included Rossi's alleged customers, and I think they may 
have included some of Jed's anonymous testimonial providers.   (I think 
you may have accused Aussie Guy of not exactly existing, too, but I may 
be wrong about that; perhaps it was someone else who said that.)


But it's too late at night and I'm not going digging in the archives to 
be sure.  (Certainly, with the possible exception of Aussie Guy, you 
haven't accused anyone on this mailing list of nonexistence, at least as 
far as I know.)  (Come to think of it, one or two people have accused 
*you* of something akin to nonexistence as well, but that was silly; 
nobody who doesn't exist could possibly post so many messages to this 
group.)


Failure to exist can be a very serious accusation, you know, and 
countering it can be extremely difficult, as many people have found, to 
their chagrin, when accused by one government or another of having 
failed to exist.


(I think it's time to head off to bed, I'm getting punchy...)




You make endlessly repeated ignorant, snide comments about
subjects you know nothing about. You could easily learn about
these things, but you never bother. For example, recently you made
stupid mistakes about doctors washing their hands, and about the
limits of chemistry.


I let that get by because it's off topic and tedious but either you 
failed to understand what I wrote, or you're simply wrong.   In any 
case, it's OT for this discussion.  I also don't want to discuss 
Einstein, Tesla, Edison and the Wright Brothers.  Also not Joe the 
Plumber.  Can we stick to Rossi and Defkalion?


 If you can do that, I wish you would!


I am fed up with you. I will do nothing for your benefit.


I guess you can't prove anything favorable about Defkalion and Rossi then?

As I said, it would help if you would stop making trouble, but
that is too much to hope for.


I have no idea why you'd think anything said on a fairly obscure 
internet blog by an anonymous author would inhibit the discoverers of 
the potentially greatest invention in at least a century from proving 
that it's real.  Maybe you can explain this amazing paradox.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi announces a titanic step forward, how he will deal with competitors and 1m E-Cats for 2012

[Mary Yugo]

On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:

> Mary Yugo wrote:
>
>  I don't recall accusing anyone of anything.  I raise possibilities which
>> should be very easy to knock down.
>>
>
> You do accuse people.


Cite it or don't say it.  Who did I accuse and of what and where did I do
it?


> You make endlessly repeated ignorant, snide comments about subjects you
> know nothing about. You could easily learn about these things, but you
> never bother. For example, recently you made stupid mistakes about doctors
> washing their hands, and about the limits of chemistry.


I let that get by because it's off topic and tedious but either you failed
to understand what I wrote, or you're simply wrong.   In any case, it's OT
for this discussion.  I also don't want to discuss Einstein, Tesla, Edison
and the Wright Brothers.  Also not Joe the Plumber.  Can we stick to Rossi
and Defkalion?



>   If you can do that, I wish you would!
>>
>
> I am fed up with you. I will do nothing for your benefit.


I guess you can't prove anything favorable about Defkalion and Rossi then?


> As I said, it would help if you would stop making trouble, but that is too
> much to hope for.
>

I have no idea why you'd think anything said on a fairly obscure internet
blog by an anonymous author would inhibit the discoverers of the
potentially greatest invention in at least a century from proving that it's
real.  Maybe you can explain this amazing paradox.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi announces a titanic step forward, how he will deal with competitors and 1m E-Cats for 2012

[Peter Gluck]

Perhaps it would be necessary to define better
|"experienced business man" Obviously you learn from bitter failures (as
Petroldragon) but the experience of successful campaigns is irrreplaceable
see e.g. Jobs' career -succces breeds succes.
To frighten Defkalion? How exactly? They are really experienced businessmen
and the market is
practically infinite for at least 10 years.

On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 10:12 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:

> Peter Gluck  wrote:
>
> Titanic step forward? Better is gigantic management strategy blunder!
>> To use mild euphemisms- this plan is naive, childish, primitive savage
>> capitalistic thinking and self-destructive strategy.
>> To use dumping on an endless, insatiable market- you cannot succeed even
>> with a hundred million E-cats.
>> And to kill (!) the competition is as counter-productive as impossible.
>>
>
> It is impossible. Rossi is an experienced businessman, so he should know
> that.  Perhaps he is just spouting off. Perhaps he is trying to frighten
> Defkalion.
>
> On the other hand . . .  . . . maybe he has teamed up with someone like
> GE, Westinghouse or Hitachi. That would give him a significant lead in the
> market for a few years.
>
> - Jed
>
>


-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:Rossi announces a titanic step forward, how he will deal with competitors and 1m E-Cats for 2012

[Jed Rothwell]

Peter Gluck  wrote:

Titanic step forward? Better is gigantic management strategy blunder!
> To use mild euphemisms- this plan is naive, childish, primitive savage
> capitalistic thinking and self-destructive strategy.
> To use dumping on an endless, insatiable market- you cannot succeed even
> with a hundred million E-cats.
> And to kill (!) the competition is as counter-productive as impossible.
>

It is impossible. Rossi is an experienced businessman, so he should know
that.  Perhaps he is just spouting off. Perhaps he is trying to frighten
Defkalion.

On the other hand . . .  . . . maybe he has teamed up with someone like GE,
Westinghouse or Hitachi. That would give him a significant lead in the
market for a few years.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Rossi announces a titanic step forward, how he will deal with competitors and 1m E-Cats for 2012

[Jed Rothwell]

Mary Yugo wrote:

I don't recall accusing anyone of anything.  I raise possibilities 
which should be very easy to knock down.


You do accuse people. You make endlessly repeated ignorant, snide 
comments about subjects you know nothing about. You could easily learn 
about these things, but you never bother. For example, recently you made 
stupid mistakes about doctors washing their hands, and about the limits 
of chemistry.




  If you can do that, I wish you would!


I am fed up with you. I will do nothing for your benefit. Other people 
deserve to see more from Defkalion, so I shall try to persuade them to 
release more. As I said, it would help if you would stop making trouble, 
but that is too much to hope for.


- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Rossi announces a titanic step forward, how he will deal with competitors and 1m E-Cats for 2012

[Mary Yugo]

On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:

>
> I am trying to arrange that. It might help if you and others would stop
> making outrageous, baseless, ignorant attacks against them. Generally
> speaking, people are not inclined to share information when you accuse them
> of being criminals and lunatics.
>

I don't recall accusing anyone of anything.  I raise possibilities which
should be very easy to knock down.  If you can do that, I wish you would!

This issue was raised on the Moletrap forum:   why should any inventor with
a dramatic and valid new technology as useful as Rossi and Defkalion claim
care about what an anonymous poster or two on the internet say about them?
Why do they even bother with all the trivial garbage they post and all the
idiotic questions they respond to on their forums and blogs?   They really
have that much extra time?   And they can't be bothered to give unequivocal
proof that they have what they say?  I think this is unlikely.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi announces a titanic step forward, how he will deal with competitors and 1m E-Cats for 2012

[Jed Rothwell]

Mary Yugo wrote:

Wouldn't it be nice if we could hear from these people directly and 
see photos of what they saw (within the needed limits to protect trade 
secrets)?


I am trying to arrange that. It might help if you and others would stop 
making outrageous, baseless, ignorant attacks against them. Generally 
speaking, people are not inclined to share information when you accuse 
them of being criminals and lunatics.


- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Rossi announces a titanic step forward, how he will deal with competitors and 1m E-Cats for 2012

[Mary Yugo]

On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:

>
> The people who have been there can estimate that by looking. They know
> what laboratory equipment costs.
>

Wouldn't it be nice if we could hear from these people directly and see
photos of what they saw (within the needed limits to protect trade
secrets)?

Re: [Vo]:Rossi announces a titanic step forward, how he will deal with competitors and 1m E-Cats for 2012

[Jed Rothwell]

Mary Yugo  wrote:


> What *is* likely is that Defkalion believed that they were going to
> receive a working core module from Rossi in June 2011.   It is also likely
> that they prepared equipment and labs based on what they thought this core
> would be like according to specifications given to them by Rossi.
>

No, that is not even a little bit likely. That is not what they said
happened. That is not what Rossi said happened, back in June. I know
several people who have been to Defkalion (including the 3 I heard from
lately), and that is not what they saw.

That is another James Bond movie scenario. An absurd fantasy.

I will grant, Rossi has been saying that is what happened, but when he says
things like this, he is talking all out his head (lying). He is
contradicting what he said before. You, of all people, should know better
than to believe him.



>I think that the only thing they ever built was a simulation of their
> anticipated final product.
>

If you believe that,  you have very strange notions about how engineers and
product designers go about their work.



> I don't know how you know or think you know how much Defkalion spent . . .
>

The people who have been there can estimate that by looking. They know what
laboratory equipment costs.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Rossi announces a titanic step forward, how he will deal with competitors and 1m E-Cats for 2012

[Mary Yugo]

On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 7:18 AM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

>
> Add to that a scenario in which Defkalion has set up a large, expensive
> fake laboratory staffed by genuine experts being paid to pretend they are
> doing research. The whole notion is so implausible I can't imagine why
> anyone would take it seriously. This is real life, not a James Bond movie.
> People do not spend millions of dollars and hire dozens of people to commit
> fraud.
>

I agree that the above scenario is not likely but it is not what skeptics
propose so it's a straw man.  What *is* likely is that Defkalion believed
that they were going to receive a working core module from Rossi in June
2011.   It is also likely that they prepared equipment and labs based on
what they thought this core would be like according to specifications given
to them by Rossi.   I think that the only thing they ever built was a
simulation of their anticipated final product.  And the core was and still
is missing.   Either that or they are simply lying about a large and
expensive laboratory of their own and a large staff of genuine experts.
After all who has seen or talked to this large group of people?

I don't know how you know or think you know how much Defkalion spent and
what they built but be that as it may, it is an agreed on fact that they
did not get a core from Rossi.   When they didn't get the working core from
Rossi, perhaps they decided to try to develop it because they believed
Rossi had the technology, the technology was possible and they could
develop it anew.   That is essentially what they claim (on their web site
forum) happened.   My guess is that they have been unable to get anything
to work and that this is the reason they have never shown a test in public
or given a unit to anyone or any government agency to test.

Only "skeptics" far removed from reality would even imagine such a thing is
> possible.
>

Oh?  Who could have imagined Steorn was a 21 million Euro fake when it
first started?  And the other spectacular tech frauds people keep listing
here?


> Rossi think he can outproduce and underprice industrial corporations. He
> is crazy, but not half as crazy as skeptics who seriously believe this
> whole thing is fake.
>

There is nothing crazy about doubting Rossi and Defkalion.  Believing that
they have what they say, are actively marketing it, but won't let anyone
test it independently -- that's pretty crazy.   And to think Rossi sold
1300 modules to some mystery client for an unspecified and unguessable
purpose defies the imagination.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi announces a titanic step forward, how he will deal with competitors and 1m E-Cats for 2012

[Jed Rothwell]

Paul Story wrote:


> [The idea that we have two fraudulant entities outbidding each
> other in an open exchange of illusionary pricing – shouting at
> each other from opposite sides of the Atlantic Ocean – is too
> bizarre to be given space except in recognising it as a small
> possibility.]
>

Add to that a scenario in which Defkalion has set up a large, expensive
fake laboratory staffed by genuine experts being paid to pretend they are
doing research. The whole notion is so implausible I can't imagine why
anyone would take it seriously. This is real life, not a James Bond movie.
People do not spend millions of dollars and hire dozens of people to commit
fraud.

Only "skeptics" far removed from reality would even imagine such a thing is
possible.

Rossi think he can outproduce and underprice industrial corporations. He is
crazy, but not half as crazy as skeptics who seriously believe this whole
thing is fake.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Rossi announces a titanic step forward, how he will deal with competitors and 1m E-Cats for 2012

[Vorl Bek]

In ecatnews.com http://ecatnews.com/?p=1727, Paul Story commented:

[The idea that we have two fraudulant entities outbidding each
other in an open exchange of illusionary pricing – shouting at
each other from opposite sides of the Atlantic Ocean – is too
bizarre to be given space except in recognising it as a small
possibility.]

We all want Rossi, or Defkalion, or somebody, to have the goods,
but the comedy gold in such a situation as Story describes almost
makes me hope they really are conmen.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi announces a titanic step forward, how he will deal with competitors and 1m E-Cats for 2012

[Peter Gluck]

Titanic step forward? Better is gigantic management strategy blunder!
To use mild euphemisms- this plan is naive, childish, primitive savage
capitalistic thinking and self-destructive strategy.
To use dumping on an endless, insatiable market- you cannot succeed even
with a hundred million E-cats.
And to kill (!) the competition is as counter-productive as impossible.
It is very surprising that Rossi accepts now that the competition exists.
This plan is similar with thinking in the '70s that the Trabant car can
eliminate all the other cars

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trabant
 or now that the Tata Nano car http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tata_Nano
can conquer the world market.
Selling price is just one factor of many...
This is a fantastic plan, in the worst sense of this adjective.
Peter

On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 4:40 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
wrote:

> http://www.journal-of-nuclear-**physics.com/?p=563&cpage=7#**
> comment-157900
>
>  *
>   Andrea Rossi
>   December 27th, 2011 at 2:33 PM
>    cpage=7#comment-157900
> >
>
>
>   Dear Gherardo:
>   The price will be enough low to forbid any competition. At that
>   point the reverse engineering will be a hobby, not a source of
>   competition, so that everything will become easier. This is the
>   battle we won during these days: we made a titanic step forward,
>   derived from a lucky idea and from the huge possibilities our new
>   Partners have opened to us. The price will be much lower than you
>   said, but we will declare the price when we will be ready: remember,
>   if I say one thing, I have to do it. Anyway: the first version will
>   produce hot water and heating, but it will be able to be retrofitted
>   with the electric power generation when we will be ready also with it.
>   Warm Regards,
>   A.R.
>
>  *
>   Andrea Rossi
>   December 27th, 2011 at 2:25 PM
>    cpage=7#comment-157894
> >
>
>
>   Dear Frank Acland:
>   1- We are making it
>   2- We will necessaruly have to do this.
>   Warm Regards,
>   A.R.
>
>  *
>   Frank Acland
>   December 27th, 2011 at 2:06 PM
>    cpage=7#comment-157890
> >
>
>
>   Dear Andrea,
>
>   You mention the need to produce 1 million e-cats immediately in
>   order to meet your goals. This is certainly ambitious, but it would
>   be very exciting for you to be able to do this.
>
>   1. Do you have the production infrastructure (including outsourcing)
>   to build this many plants?
>   2. Are you process enough nickel powder to fuel this many e-cats?
>
>   Wishing you the very best for 2012!
>
>   Frank Acland
>
>
>


-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

[Vo]:Rossi announces a titanic step forward, how he will deal with competitors and 1m E-Cats for 2012

[Aussie Guy E-Cat]

http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=563&cpage=7#comment-157900

 *
   Andrea Rossi
   December 27th, 2011 at 2:33 PM
   


   Dear Gherardo:
   The price will be enough low to forbid any competition. At that
   point the reverse engineering will be a hobby, not a source of
   competition, so that everything will become easier. This is the
   battle we won during these days: we made a titanic step forward,
   derived from a lucky idea and from the huge possibilities our new
   Partners have opened to us. The price will be much lower than you
   said, but we will declare the price when we will be ready: remember,
   if I say one thing, I have to do it. Anyway: the first version will
   produce hot water and heating, but it will be able to be retrofitted
   with the electric power generation when we will be ready also with it.
   Warm Regards,
   A.R.

 *
   Andrea Rossi
   December 27th, 2011 at 2:25 PM
   


   Dear Frank Acland:
   1- We are making it
   2- We will necessaruly have to do this.
   Warm Regards,
   A.R.

 *
   Frank Acland
   December 27th, 2011 at 2:06 PM
   


   Dear Andrea,

   You mention the need to produce 1 million e-cats immediately in
   order to meet your goals. This is certainly ambitious, but it would
   be very exciting for you to be able to do this.

   1. Do you have the production infrastructure (including outsourcing)
   to build this many plants?
   2. Are you process enough nickel powder to fuel this many e-cats?

   Wishing you the very best for 2012!

   Frank Acland