Re: [Vo]:suncell waste materials--hydrino

[mixent]

In reply to  Axil Axil's message of Sat, 11 Nov 2017 16:14:41 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
>Since Mills claims that the hydrino is dark matter which is 6 time more
>plentiful than bright matter and dark matter is pervasive throughout space,
>then our bodies should contain 6 times more hydrinos as bright matter. We
>are all 6 times heavier that we think we are. Removing dark matter from our
>bodies should reduce of mass by a whole lot at least 6 times.
>
>Such is a untaped product concept for weight reduction...hydrino removal
>from the body. "Remove hydrinos and become lighter on your feet."

:-)

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:suncell waste materials--hydrino

[Axil Axil]

Since Mills claims that the hydrino is dark matter which is 6 time more
plentiful than bright matter and dark matter is pervasive throughout space,
then our bodies should contain 6 times more hydrinos as bright matter. We
are all 6 times heavier that we think we are. Removing dark matter from our
bodies should reduce of mass by a whole lot at least 6 times.

Such is a untaped product concept for weight reduction...hydrino removal
from the body. "Remove hydrinos and become lighter on your feet."

On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 3:02 PM,  wrote:

> In reply to  bobcook39...@hotmail.com's message of Sat, 11 Nov 2017
> 16:51:09
> +:
> Hi Bob,
> [snip]
> >Robin—
> >
> >
> >
> >Thanks for the correction.  I was not familiar with Mill’s calculation.
> >
> >
> >
> >I am not completely familiar with the GUT.  Do you know if the predicted
> rest mass of the hydrino molecule relative to normal H2 reflects the energy
> decrement one would expect considering its lower energy state?
>
> Given that GUTCP is completely classical, I don't think it's avoidable.
> However,
> the energy difference for each Hydrino is only about 200 eV for n=1/4,
> which is
> quite small relative to the mass of a proton, so it would probably be
> difficult
> to measure.
> >
> >
> >
> >Also what is your understanding as to why the ¼ state is produced instead
> of the  bottom (lowest) energy state for a hydrino?  Is that by design to
> allow easier engineering of the photo voltaices?
>
> It's just a consequence of the catalyst used in this case, which is the H2O
> molecule. This has m=3, so the H atom is shrunk from n=1 to n=1/4 (1+3=4).
>
> I would of course also expect that there would be some further shrinkage
> from
> 1/4 to 1/7, and from 1/7 to 1/10 etc., and perhaps also some
> disproportionation
> reactions.
> Hence my previous comment that there would probably be a mix of sizes
> present.
> >
> >
> >
> >Finally, I would predict that the hydrino molecule should have a unique
> magnetic resonance signature and could have use as a medical drug to add a
> dimension to the diagnostic capability of MRI’s and potentially eliminate
> the use of risky heavy metals injected into the vascular system  with their
> unique NMR signature.  GE and Siemens should take note.   A patent is
> warranted IMHO.
>
> Perhaps you should suggest this to Mills directly, though I'm not sure how
> you
> would get Hydrino molecules into the human body, or what the consequences
> would
> be of introducing an inert gas. Probably easy enough to get it into the
> lungs,
> but I wouldn't want anyone injecting it into my bloodstream, just as I
> wouldn't
> want helium injected.
> [snip]
> Regards,
>
> Robin van Spaandonk
>
> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
>
>

Re: [Vo]:suncell waste materials--hydrino

[mixent]

In reply to  bobcook39...@hotmail.com's message of Sat, 11 Nov 2017 16:51:09
+:
Hi Bob,
[snip]
>Robin—
>
>
>
>Thanks for the correction.  I was not familiar with Mill’s calculation.
>
>
>
>I am not completely familiar with the GUT.  Do you know if the predicted rest 
>mass of the hydrino molecule relative to normal H2 reflects the energy 
>decrement one would expect considering its lower energy state?

Given that GUTCP is completely classical, I don't think it's avoidable. However,
the energy difference for each Hydrino is only about 200 eV for n=1/4, which is
quite small relative to the mass of a proton, so it would probably be difficult
to measure.
>
>
>
>Also what is your understanding as to why the ¼ state is produced instead of 
>the  bottom (lowest) energy state for a hydrino?  Is that by design to allow 
>easier engineering of the photo voltaices?

It's just a consequence of the catalyst used in this case, which is the H2O
molecule. This has m=3, so the H atom is shrunk from n=1 to n=1/4 (1+3=4).

I would of course also expect that there would be some further shrinkage from
1/4 to 1/7, and from 1/7 to 1/10 etc., and perhaps also some disproportionation
reactions.
Hence my previous comment that there would probably be a mix of sizes present.
>
>
>
>Finally, I would predict that the hydrino molecule should have a unique 
>magnetic resonance signature and could have use as a medical drug to add a 
>dimension to the diagnostic capability of MRI’s and potentially eliminate the 
>use of risky heavy metals injected into the vascular system  with their unique 
>NMR signature.  GE and Siemens should take note.   A patent is warranted IMHO.

Perhaps you should suggest this to Mills directly, though I'm not sure how you
would get Hydrino molecules into the human body, or what the consequences would
be of introducing an inert gas. Probably easy enough to get it into the lungs,
but I wouldn't want anyone injecting it into my bloodstream, just as I wouldn't
want helium injected.
[snip]
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

RE: [Vo]:suncell waste materials--hydrino

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Robin—



Thanks for the correction.  I was not familiar with Mill’s calculation.



I am not completely familiar with the GUT.  Do you know if the predicted rest 
mass of the hydrino molecule relative to normal H2 reflects the energy 
decrement one would expect considering its lower energy state?



Also what is your understanding as to why the ¼ state is produced instead of 
the  bottom (lowest) energy state for a hydrino?  Is that by design to allow 
easier engineering of the photo voltaices?



Finally, I would predict that the hydrino molecule should have a unique 
magnetic resonance signature and could have use as a medical drug to add a 
dimension to the diagnostic capability of MRI’s and potentially eliminate the 
use of risky heavy metals injected into the vascular system  with their unique 
NMR signature.  GE and Siemens should take note.   A patent is warranted IMHO.



Bob Cook




From: mix...@bigpond.com <mix...@bigpond.com>
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 9:27:49 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:suncell waste materials--hydrino

In reply to  bobcook39...@hotmail.com's message of Sat, 11 Nov 2017 05:11:05
+:
Hi,

The Hydrino molecule is prolate ellipsoidal (football shaped) according to
Mills. The small radius is I think the same as the Hydrino radius, and as
already mentioned the separation distance between foci is sqrt(2) times that
radius.

For n=1/4 that gives a small radius of 0.132 Angstrom, which is less than the
0.3 Angstrom that Mills claims for the radius of the helium atom IIRC.

Also, the Hydrino molecules are unlikely to all be the same size (i.e. not all
n=1/4), so some should leak faster than others.

[snip]
>It was my understanding that the ash of the sun cell is the hydrino molecule, 
>which would be bigger thana  He atom which  in gaseous form is monatomic.
>
>
>
>From: Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com>
>Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 4:37:20 PM
>To: vortex-l
>Subject: Re: [Vo]:suncell waste materials--hydrino
>
>The hydrino is essentially equivalent in size and electrical behavior to a 
>neutron. Neutrons could be confined using their magnetic properties.
>
>https://www.nist.gov/news-events/news/2000/01/neutron-trapping-demonstrated-first-time-nist
>
>"Scientists have demonstrated for the first time that they can confine 
>neutrons, one of the basic particles of matter, in a three-dimensional 
>magnetic trap, an achievement that will help expand our knowledge of the 
>creation of matter during the Big Bang."
>
>On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 7:23 PM, 
><mix...@bigpond.com<mailto:mix...@bigpond.com>> wrote:
>In reply to  bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>'s 
>message of Fri, 10 Nov 2017 22:52:23
>+:
>Hi,
>[snip]
>>Answer: Yes, as a replacement for expensive, finite, and scarce helium.
>
>I doubt it. I think it would just leak through the skin of the balloon.
>
>Regards,
>
>Robin van Spaandonk
>
>http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
>
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:suncell waste materials--hydrino

[mixent]

In reply to  bobcook39...@hotmail.com's message of Sat, 11 Nov 2017 05:11:05
+:
Hi,

The Hydrino molecule is prolate ellipsoidal (football shaped) according to
Mills. The small radius is I think the same as the Hydrino radius, and as
already mentioned the separation distance between foci is sqrt(2) times that
radius.

For n=1/4 that gives a small radius of 0.132 Angstrom, which is less than the
0.3 Angstrom that Mills claims for the radius of the helium atom IIRC. 

Also, the Hydrino molecules are unlikely to all be the same size (i.e. not all
n=1/4), so some should leak faster than others.

[snip]
>It was my understanding that the ash of the sun cell is the hydrino molecule, 
>which would be bigger thana  He atom which  in gaseous form is monatomic.
>
>
>
>From: Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com>
>Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 4:37:20 PM
>To: vortex-l
>Subject: Re: [Vo]:suncell waste materials--hydrino
>
>The hydrino is essentially equivalent in size and electrical behavior to a 
>neutron. Neutrons could be confined using their magnetic properties.
>
>https://www.nist.gov/news-events/news/2000/01/neutron-trapping-demonstrated-first-time-nist
>
>"Scientists have demonstrated for the first time that they can confine 
>neutrons, one of the basic particles of matter, in a three-dimensional 
>magnetic trap, an achievement that will help expand our knowledge of the 
>creation of matter during the Big Bang."
>
>On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 7:23 PM, 
><mix...@bigpond.com<mailto:mix...@bigpond.com>> wrote:
>In reply to  bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>'s 
>message of Fri, 10 Nov 2017 22:52:23
>+:
>Hi,
>[snip]
>>Answer: Yes, as a replacement for expensive, finite, and scarce helium.
>
>I doubt it. I think it would just leak through the skin of the balloon.
>
>Regards,
>
>Robin van Spaandonk
>
>http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
>
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:suncell waste materials--hydrino

[mixent]

In reply to  Axil Axil's message of Fri, 10 Nov 2017 23:39:42 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
>The hydrino should be capable of being managed since the protons and
>electrons associated with the hydrino still have spin. Therefore the
>hydrino as a combined entity comprised of those spin carrying protons and
>electrons should be subject to control by magnetic manipulation. I would be
>interested in see how the hydrino ash behaves when segregated and condensed
>as in a magnetic trap. Such a study of the behavior of SunCell (hydrino)
>ash would lend credence to the asserted claims made within hydrino theory.

You may find the NMRI (MRI) experiment that Mills has carried out in the past
interesting, if you can still find the paper.
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

RE: [Vo]:suncell waste materials--hydrino

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

It was my understanding that the ash of the sun cell is the hydrino molecule, 
which would be bigger thana  He atom which  in gaseous form is monatomic.



From: Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 4:37:20 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:suncell waste materials--hydrino

The hydrino is essentially equivalent in size and electrical behavior to a 
neutron. Neutrons could be confined using their magnetic properties.

https://www.nist.gov/news-events/news/2000/01/neutron-trapping-demonstrated-first-time-nist

"Scientists have demonstrated for the first time that they can confine 
neutrons, one of the basic particles of matter, in a three-dimensional magnetic 
trap, an achievement that will help expand our knowledge of the creation of 
matter during the Big Bang."

On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 7:23 PM, 
<mix...@bigpond.com<mailto:mix...@bigpond.com>> wrote:
In reply to  bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>'s 
message of Fri, 10 Nov 2017 22:52:23
+:
Hi,
[snip]
>Answer: Yes, as a replacement for expensive, finite, and scarce helium.

I doubt it. I think it would just leak through the skin of the balloon.

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:suncell waste materials--hydrino

[Axil Axil]

The hydrino should be capable of being managed since the protons and
electrons associated with the hydrino still have spin. Therefore the
hydrino as a combined entity comprised of those spin carrying protons and
electrons should be subject to control by magnetic manipulation. I would be
interested in see how the hydrino ash behaves when segregated and condensed
as in a magnetic trap. Such a study of the behavior of SunCell (hydrino)
ash would lend credence to the asserted claims made within hydrino theory.

On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 11:10 PM,  wrote:

> In reply to  Axil Axil's message of Fri, 10 Nov 2017 19:37:20 -0500:
> Hi,
>
> Hydrinos come in a many sizes all smaller than Hydrogen atoms. Those Mills
> currently claims to be using are 4 times smaller than an H atom, according
> to
> him. A dihydrino molecule has a center to center separation distance that
> is
> sqrt(2) times larger than the radius. This makes these somewhat smaller
> than
> Helium atoms. AFAIK Helium does leak, but slowly. I would expect these
> Hydrino's
> leak faster than Helium.
>
> >The hydrino is essentially equivalent in size and electrical behavior to a
> >neutron. Neutrons could be confined using their magnetic properties.
> [snip]
> Regards,
>
> Robin van Spaandonk
>
> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
>
>

Re: [Vo]:suncell waste materials--hydrino

[mixent]

In reply to  Axil Axil's message of Fri, 10 Nov 2017 19:37:20 -0500:
Hi,

Hydrinos come in a many sizes all smaller than Hydrogen atoms. Those Mills
currently claims to be using are 4 times smaller than an H atom, according to
him. A dihydrino molecule has a center to center separation distance that is
sqrt(2) times larger than the radius. This makes these somewhat smaller than
Helium atoms. AFAIK Helium does leak, but slowly. I would expect these Hydrino's
leak faster than Helium.

>The hydrino is essentially equivalent in size and electrical behavior to a
>neutron. Neutrons could be confined using their magnetic properties.
[snip]
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:suncell waste materials--hydrino

[Axil Axil]

The hydrino is essentially equivalent in size and electrical behavior to a
neutron. Neutrons could be confined using their magnetic properties.

https://www.nist.gov/news-events/news/2000/01/neutron-trapping-demonstrated-first-time-nist

"Scientists have demonstrated for the first time that they can confine
neutrons, one of the basic particles of matter, in a three-dimensional
magnetic trap, an achievement that will help expand our knowledge of the
creation of matter during the Big Bang."

On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 7:23 PM,  wrote:

> In reply to  bobcook39...@hotmail.com's message of Fri, 10 Nov 2017
> 22:52:23
> +:
> Hi,
> [snip]
> >Answer: Yes, as a replacement for expensive, finite, and scarce helium.
>
> I doubt it. I think it would just leak through the skin of the balloon.
>
> Regards,
>
> Robin van Spaandonk
>
> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
>
>

Re: [Vo]:suncell waste materials--hydrino

[mixent]

In reply to  bobcook39...@hotmail.com's message of Fri, 10 Nov 2017 22:52:23
+:
Hi,
[snip]
>Answer: Yes, as a replacement for expensive, finite, and scarce helium.

I doubt it. I think it would just leak through the skin of the balloon.

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:suncell waste materials--hydrino

[Axil Axil]

I heard that Mills claims that this hydrino material is dark matter.

On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 5:52 PM, bobcook39...@hotmail.com <
bobcook39...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> I watched the recent Mill’s lecture on U-Tube.  It is informative IMHO.
>
>
>
> I had the following inquiry with answers from Mills or a spokesman:
>
>
>
> >>Dr. Mills—
>
>  I watched the Fresno lecture on U-tube.
>
>  A question still in my mind regards the disposition of the dense
> hydrogen molecule  formed during the reaction.
>
> Answer: it is the same mass and density as ordinary hydrogen gas, just
> comprises a lower energy state.
>
>
>
> Is it a biologically hazardous substance?
>
>
>
> Answer: It is extremely stable, does not react with anything.
>
>
>
> and how does the cell remove the material from the cell?
>
>
>
> Answer: It is lighter than air like ordinary hydrogen, vents to space.
>
>
>
> Does the  dense hydrogen waste have a significant worth as a by product?
>
>
>
> Answer: Yes, as a replacement for expensive, finite, and scarce helium.
>
> How might it be useful?
>
> Answer: heat transfer, buoyancy.
>
> Bob Cook
>
>
>
>
>

[Vo]:suncell waste materials--hydrino

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

I watched the recent Mill’s lecture on U-Tube.  It is informative IMHO.

I had the following inquiry with answers from Mills or a spokesman:

>>Dr. Mills—

 I watched the Fresno lecture on U-tube.

 A question still in my mind regards the disposition of the dense hydrogen 
molecule  formed during the reaction.
Answer: it is the same mass and density as ordinary hydrogen gas, just 
comprises a lower energy state.

Is it a biologically hazardous substance?

Answer: It is extremely stable, does not react with anything.

and how does the cell remove the material from the cell?

Answer: It is lighter than air like ordinary hydrogen, vents to space.

Does the  dense hydrogen waste have a significant worth as a by product?

Answer: Yes, as a replacement for expensive, finite, and scarce helium.

How might it be useful?

Answer: heat transfer, buoyancy.
Bob Cook