Re: [Vo]:Koch founded climate skeptic changes sides

2012-07-31 Thread Axil Axil
Correction required: If you say you know you only damage your *credulity* as a LENR applications expert. Should read If you say you know, you only damage your *credibility* as a LENR applications expert. On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 2:06 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Jed said: I

Re: [Vo]:Koch founded climate skeptic changes sides

2012-07-31 Thread Axil Axil
Warming hits 'tipping point' Siberia feels the heat It's a frozen peat bog the size of France and Germany combined, contains billions of tonnes of greenhouse gas and, for the first time since the ice age, it is melting - The Guardian http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian, Thursday 11

RE: [Vo]:Koch founded climate skeptic changes sides

2012-07-31 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Jed: Don't blame me for your lack of clearly stating what's in your head! With as many scientific papers that you've read, I would have hoped that you'd be much more careful when trying to make a case in this kind of a technical forum. not everyone here is as up to speed on topics being

RE: [Vo]:interesting

2012-07-31 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Excellent find Peter! Thanks. As you probably know, there are a few of us here that think Casimir forces/quantum fluctuations/virtual particles may very well be involved in some way with the LENR phenomenon. I hope this experiment is verified by other labs. -Mark From: Peter Gluck

Re: [Vo]:Koch founded climate skeptic changes sides

2012-07-31 Thread Eric Walker
Le Jul 30, 2012 à 11:12 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com a écrit : If you say you know you only damage your credulity as a LENR applications expert. Freudian slip. :) Eric

RE: [Vo]:Koch founded climate skeptic changes sides

2012-07-31 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
I tend to agree with Bruno's statement: . how do climatologists do this, bearing in mind that the results should take thousands of years to appear? They test their hypothesis in computer models, which are not quite the same thing as the reality yet. During grad school I worked at the

Re: [Vo]:interesting

2012-07-31 Thread Peter Gluck
Dear Mark, Yes I know and the Casimir Force is something of fundamental importance-inclusive for our poor, oppressed, ignored and not well understood LENR. Peter On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 9:56 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.netwrote: Excellent find Peter! Thanks. As you probably

Re: [Vo]:Koch founded climate skeptic changes sides

2012-07-31 Thread Jojo Jaro
Excellent Post from Mark and Bruno that highlights this Global Warming debate. But you are spitting against the wind with Jed. There is no reasoning with him as he has already made up his mind. In Jed's mind, AGW definitely occurs and it is going to result in a Huge Environmental

Re: [Vo]:Conjunction of Meaningfully Parallel Events

2012-07-31 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 9:39 PM, Rick Monteverde r...@highsurf.com wrote: Seriously, I have no doubt whatsoever that some days the Universe is out to get me. It's not just you, Rick! T

RE: [Vo]:Koch founded climate skeptic changes sides

2012-07-31 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From Jojo I already know the answer to my question. While I know this was addressed specifically to Mr. Rothwell... Let me just say that I know I ain't perfect. There are many gaps in my formal education. There are many mysteries of the universe I'd love to solve, or at least get a

Re: [Vo]:Koch founded climate skeptic changes sides

2012-07-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: In Jed's mind, AGW definitely occurs and it is going to result in a Huge Environmental Catastrophe. Why how could it not be so - a bunch of experts said so. . . If I had said any of that stuff, I would not believe me either! So Jed, you are so

RE: [Vo]:Koch founded climate skeptic changes sides

2012-07-31 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Well, I think we've beat that horse enough for awhile. it certainly is an issue that generates quite a bit of heated debate, but I think many on this list are probably tired of the issue for now. including me! -mark From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 31,

Re: [Vo]: Coupled Protons and Directional Stability

2012-07-31 Thread David Roberson
Thanks for the interesting discussion Lou. I am not sure why my posting did not have paragraph separation as the source did. I used Word to write the posting with standard formatting that should have shown breaks when copied, but for some reason did not do so. Does anyone know why this

Re: [Vo]:interesting

2012-07-31 Thread David Roberson
This is an interesting idea but I have a question. Does the casimir effect originate from the exclusion of low frequency energy from two parallel conductors? There was no mention of the beams being highly conductive in the article. And of course the size of the beam appears to be quite tiny

Re: [Vo]:Koch founded climate skeptic changes sides

2012-07-31 Thread David Roberson
This is not very encouraging. I hope that the books are not being cooked to get action by governmental agencies. Sometimes the authors leave out a very important part of the data if it does not support their political plans. An example is the talk of a large portion of the ice melting on

[Vo]:Popular Science and a possible September LENR Cold Fusion arcticle

2012-07-31 Thread Ron Kita
Greetings Vortex, I remember discussion on a possible forthcoming Popular Science article and noted on the link below that the 10th of the month seem to be their issuance date: http://www.popsci.com/announcements/article/2012-07/august-2012-future-sports Hopefully, Ron Kita, Chiralexso

Re: [Vo]:Popular Science and a possible September LENR Cold Fusion arcticle

2012-07-31 Thread Peter Gluck
Dear Ron, It is circulating a gossip, just gossip that Rossi has tried a demo for PopSci and it was not a convincing success. Perhaps a colleague knows more or can ask at Popular Science. Peter On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 8:56 PM, Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings Vortex, I

RE: [Vo]: Coupled Protons and Directional Stability

2012-07-31 Thread pagnucco
Thanks, Mark This is an interesting way to model the nucleus. I wonder if there are any simulation tools that approximate charged paricle collisions with nuclei (or atoms) that run on PCs rather than super-computers. Probably, the task is too computationally intensive, but maybe a moderately

Re: [Vo]:Koch founded climate skeptic changes sides

2012-07-31 Thread David Roberson
Good post Mark. I have heard that the global climate models have a multitude of variables that are not defined by real life processes or that assume clearly inaccurate initial values when tied to know processes. Most of us have used curve fitting programs in the past and know that you can

[Vo]:Olympic UFO

2012-07-31 Thread Terry Blanton
Just as Nick Pope predicted: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/29/ufo-over-olympics-opening_n_1716887.html

Re: [Vo]:Olympic UFO

2012-07-31 Thread David Roberson
This UFO is either totally real and a message or a prank to get attention. I tend to consider it a prank of some type as it would be far easier for aliens to park on the White House lawn or some similar place if they wanted to demonstrate their presence. Dave -Original Message-

Re: [Vo]:Olympic UFO

2012-07-31 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
David sez: I tend to consider it a prank of some type as it would be far easier for aliens to park on the White House lawn or some similar place if they wanted to demonstrate their presence. Not advisable to park on the White House Lawn. Did they get a permit? The natives are likely to start

Re: [Vo]:Koch founded climate skeptic changes sides

2012-07-31 Thread Axil Axil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSTm6cZjO14feature=BFalist=PLF48ACB853C81076A Methane Hydrates: Natural Hazard or Natural Resource? Ice cores from Antarctica show that the last five 100,000 year’s long ice ages ended in less than a human lifetime. A trigger event produced a sharp and sudden

RE: [Vo]: Coupled Protons and Directional Stability

2012-07-31 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Hi Lou, No, I do not know of any simulation tools, but didn't the article refer to Schrödinger's equation? I take it that is not enough, but the paper would likely explain the mathematics. The other thought that comes to mind when looking at the pics of the charge distribution inside the

Re: [Vo]: Coupled Protons and Directional Stability

2012-07-31 Thread pagnucco
David, My reply is below -- David Roberson wrote: Thanks for the interesting discussion Lou. I am not sure why my posting did not have paragraph separation as the source did. I used Word to write the posting with standard formatting that should have shown breaks when copied, but for some

[Vo]:Connect the dots : di Vito, Ansaldo Energia , Siemens, Rossi ...

2012-07-31 Thread Alan J Fletcher
Rossi blog : Marco July 31st, 2012 at 4:57 AM Dear Andrea, some day ago I asked you something about Siemens turbines, since Siemens is about to buy Ansaldo Energia. Now I have gathered more detailed information. First, the acquisition of Ansaldo Energia by Siemens is very likely. Second,

RE: [Vo]: Coupled Protons and Directional Stability

2012-07-31 Thread pagnucco
Hi Mark, My reply is below -- MarkI-ZeroPoint wrote: Hi Lou, No, I do not know of any simulation tools, but didn't the article refer to Schrödinger's equation? I take it that is not enough, but the paper would likely explain the mathematics. Yes - in theory, a simulation of the multibody

Re: [Vo]:Connect the dots : di Vito, Ansaldo Energia , Siemens, Rossi ...

2012-07-31 Thread Alan J Fletcher
A few more dots : http://e-catsite.com/2012/05/03/lenr-meets-henr-in-turin/ Walter Pecorella University of Rome ”Tor Vergata”, Ansaldo EnergiaRe: 10th International Workshop on Anomalies in H Loaded Met http://www.lenrforum.eu/viewtopic.php?f=2t=150#p461

Re: [Vo]:Connect the dots : di Vito, Ansaldo Energia , Siemens, Rossi ...

2012-07-31 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2012-07-31 21:24, Alan J Fletcher wrote: [...] Also NIWeek. Check out the speakers: (Andrea Aparo, Senior Advisor RD - Ansaldo Energia Spa) Panel Discussion: The Quest for Alternative Energy - Anomalous Heat Effect (a.k.a. Cold Fusion) Date: Martedì 07/08/12 (Ballroom E) Durata: 1 ora

Re: [Vo]:Connect the dots : di Vito, Ansaldo Energia , Siemens, Rossi ...

2012-07-31 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2012-07-31 21:24, Alan J Fletcher wrote: [...] As for a loose link with Siemens, have a look at this. There are hints about a conference in Zurich on LENR in September.: http://drmyronevans.wordpress.com/2012/07/30/low-energy-nuclear-reaction-lenr/ The Horst person of the email cited in

Re: [Vo]:Connect the dots : di Vito, Ansaldo Energia , Siemens, Rossi ...

2012-07-31 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 12:37 PM 7/31/2012, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Andrea Aparo, Senior Advisor RD - Ansaldo Energia Spa Putting down $1.5M for a 1MW eCat would be chicken-feed (vs sparrow tears) for them.

Re: [Vo]:Popular Science and a possible September LENR Cold Fusion arcticle

2012-07-31 Thread Ron Kita
Thanks , Peter, I can only read about 33% of Vortex...so I have to make guesses. Such is life, but I will merely go to Popsi on August 10 and see IF..any has transpired. I also watch the New York Times Science Times at http://www.nytimes.com every tuesday when they feature...Science Items. So

[Vo]:The Fallacies of Darwinian Evolution (Was::Koch founded climate skeptic changes sides)

2012-07-31 Thread Jojo Jaro
Jed, I have. The more I do, the more I realize Darwinian Evolution is a lie and a fraud. You see, over the years many neo Darwinists have been coming up with explanations to plug the leaky holes of Darwin's original theory. Neo Darwininism is now a hodgepodge conglomeration of increasingly

Re: [Vo]:Olympic UFO

2012-07-31 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 2:39 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: Did they get a permit? The natives are likely to start throwing spears at them. A.K.A. stinger missles from the roof of the Whyte House. (Oh, wait, that was Diamonds are Forever.) T

Re: [Vo]:The Fallacies of Darwinian Evolution (Was::Koch founded climate skeptic changes sides)

2012-07-31 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 5:17 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: Another $100 bucks says I will now be banned from this forum. I'll take that bet. You have done nothing that I haven't done regarding Darwinian Evolution, at least as far as Homo Sapiens Sapiens is involved. Do you know of

Re: [Vo]:The Fallacies of Darwinian Evolution (Was::Koch founded climate skeptic changes sides)

2012-07-31 Thread Jojo Jaro
You're on my friend. Let's have lunch and discuss LENR when I get back there. Jojo - Original Message - From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 5:29 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Fallacies of Darwinian Evolution (Was::Koch founded

Re: [Vo]:The Fallacies of Darwinian Evolution (Was::Koch founded climate skeptic changes sides)

2012-07-31 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: You're on my friend. Let's have lunch and discuss LENR when I get back there. Okay, but we have to set a deadline for your excommunication and payoff. Lunch? Are you in Atlanta? T

Re: [Vo]:The Fallacies of Darwinian Evolution (Was::Koch founded climate skeptic changes sides)

2012-07-31 Thread Jojo Jaro
OK, here's the deal. I will continue posting about the Fallacies of Darwinian Evolution at the same rate that Jed posts his irrelevant Off-topic post. I estimate about 5 times a week. At the end of 1 month of this posting rate, if I am not Banned, you win and I'll take you out to steak

RE: [Vo]:The Fallacies of Darwinian Evolution (Was::Koch founded climate skeptic changes sides)

2012-07-31 Thread Jack Harbach-O'Sullivan
1st Idea of a Risen Ape?: Has anybody ever noticed that nearly instantly the moment that the 'species' aka 'us' gets the notionthat we might be able to build the technology to leave the planet; THAT THE VERY NEXT notion is to formulate incipient plans to TERRA FORM other planets? INSTANT

Re: [Vo]:The Fallacies of Darwinian Evolution (Was::Koch founded climate skeptic changes sides)

2012-07-31 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: OK, here's the deal. I will continue posting about the Fallacies of Darwinian Evolution at the same rate that Jed posts his irrelevant Off-topic post. I estimate about 5 times a week. At the end of 1 month of this posting

Re: [Vo]:The Fallacies of Darwinian Evolution (Was::Koch founded climate skeptic changes sides)

2012-07-31 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Jack Harbach-O'Sullivan alset9te...@hotmail.com wrote: I am NOT a NAZI. . . so hows about LET'S ALL GET OFF OF THE PLANET AS SOON AS POSSIBLE to MAXIMIZE GENETIC DIVERSITY HYBRID VIGOR instead of CONTINUING WITH FURTHER REITERATION OF OUR DARK HISTORY! Ah!

[Vo]:Rossi’s E-Cat Technology to be Presented in Zurich, Switzerland on September 8-9

2012-07-31 Thread Akira Shirakawa
Hello group, This is via E-CW (as most of the text below). In a different thread here on Vortex-L I hinted that a conference which might involve Rossi and his products would be held at some point in September. More information about it is starting to arise. Follow this link:

[Vo]:OFF TOPIC Hilarious comments by London Mayor Boris Johnson.

2012-07-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
I post this partly to annoy Joro Jaro, but mainly because it is hilarious, especially #19. I wish our politicians would say things like this. I wish they had vocabularies half this good. London Olympics 2012: here’s 20 jolly good reasons to feel cheerful about the Games . . . 6. We certainly

Re: [Vo]:The Fallacies of Darwinian Evolution (Was::Koch founded climate skeptic changes sides)

2012-07-31 Thread Jojo Jaro
Deal. I'll take both of you if Jed is willing to have lunch with a close-minded dude like me. No promises though on when I can get back there. Slow legal process here and it's quite frustrating. Yes, the banning has to be due to my postings on Darwinian Evolution. Remember, 5 posts per

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Hilarious comments by London Mayor Boris Johnson.

2012-07-31 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: The whole thing is magnificent and bonkers. The beach volleyball is all so resilient! British is so un-understood by non-Brits. T

Re: [Vo]:The Fallacies of Darwinian Evolution (Was::Koch founded climate skeptic changes sides)

2012-07-31 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 6:48 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: Deal. I'll take both of you if Jed is willing to have lunch with a close-minded dude like me. If I know Jed, he would not pass up a free lunch with Satan himself (aka Robert Park). http://www.bobpark.org/ Just so you are

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Hilarious comments by London Mayor Boris Johnson.

2012-07-31 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: British is so un-understood by non-Brits. Humour, that is.

Re: [Vo]:The Fallacies of Darwinian Evolution (Was::Koch founded climate skeptic changes sides)

2012-07-31 Thread Axil Axil
** I have be trained in intelligent design but some things that I am interested in go against that belief structure. As an obvious expert, please help me to sort these things out. I am interested in what the study of molecular biology says about the characterization and development of humanity.

Re: [Vo]:The Fallacies of Darwinian Evolution (Was::Koch founded climate skeptic changes sides)

2012-07-31 Thread fznidarsic
I hope you have a nice trip. Tell Marry I said Hi, Frank Znidarsic OK, here's the deal. I will continue posting about the Fallacies of Darwinian Evolution at the same rate that Jed posts his irrelevant Off-topic post. I estimate about 5 times a week. At the end of 1 month of this

[Vo]:Curiosity Rube Goldberg machine on Mars

2012-07-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
See: http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html If this works it will be a miracle. Or at least, it will prove that robotics are more advanced that I imagined. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:The Fallacies of Darwinian Evolution (Was::Koch founded climate skeptic changes sides)

2012-07-31 Thread David Roberson
Guys, this is getting a bit humorous. What is the payoff if both of you get banned? Dave -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Jul 31, 2012 6:35 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Fallacies of Darwinian Evolution (Was::Koch

Re: [Vo]:Curiosity Rube Goldberg machine on Mars

2012-07-31 Thread David Roberson
I agree Jed, way too many possible things to go wrong. If this works as expected I will be quite impressed with the design team. Now, according to the quantum cat analogy, is the rover dead before we can measure it since it takes so long for us to receive that measurement? Perhaps it is in

Re: [Vo]:The Fallacies of Darwinian Evolution (Was::Koch founded climate skeptic changes sides)

2012-07-31 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 8:48 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Guys, this is getting a bit humorous. What is the payoff if both of you get banned? Tacos for all! T