Re: [Vo]:dark matter update--Mills' hydrinoes are a good bet

[Axil Axil]

Try

permalink.lanl.gov/object/tr?what=info:lanl-repo/lareport/LA-UR-17-21903



On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 9:03 PM, Adrian Ashfield <a.ashfi...@verizon.net>
wrote:

> Tghanks Axil,  I have seen that data and what you wrote on the other
> thread about conversion to electric power.  My eyesight is not good but
> that section of the Stirling engine was too simplified to figure out how it
> works.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com>
> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
> Sent: Thu, Nov 16, 2017 8:50 pm
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:dark matter update--Mills' hydrinoes are a good bet
>
> There is a lot of info on the "kilopower" that NASA is designing for Mars
> power to replace solar cells.
>
> https://www.outerplaces.com/science/item/17087-nasa-kilopower-mars
>
> The heat pipe driven Stirling converter is impressive at an efficiency of
> 38% at 800C.
>
> On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 8:34 PM, Adrian Ashfield <a.ashfi...@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> Axil,
> Do you have any info on the Stirling engines.  I couldn't find anything
> useful on line.
> Apart for the SunCell , it looks like it would simple enough to use the
> E-Cat QZ as the heat source.
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:dark matter update--Mills' hydrinoes are a good bet

[mixent]

In reply to  mix...@bigpond.com's message of Fri, 17 Nov 2017 13:22:18 +1100:
Hi,
[snip]
Oops make that "cosmic rays" (though I grant that the original version is
funnier. ;)


>In reply to  Adrian Ashfield's message of Thu, 16 Nov 2017 21:03:58 -0500:
>Hi,
>[snip]
>>https://www.outerplaces.com/science/item/17087-nasa-kilopower-mars
>[snip]
>
>BTW settlements on Mars would suffer the same problem as those on the Moon, too
>little atmosphere to provide reasonable protection against meteors and comic
>rays. Any settlement would have to be underground.
>
>Regards,
>
>Robin van Spaandonk
>
>http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:dark matter update--Mills' hydrinoes are a good bet

[mixent]

In reply to  Adrian Ashfield's message of Thu, 16 Nov 2017 21:03:58 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
>https://www.outerplaces.com/science/item/17087-nasa-kilopower-mars
[snip]

BTW settlements on Mars would suffer the same problem as those on the Moon, too
little atmosphere to provide reasonable protection against meteors and comic
rays. Any settlement would have to be underground.

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:dark matter update--Mills' hydrinoes are a good bet

[Adrian Ashfield]

Tghanks Axil,  I have seen that data and what you wrote on the other thread 
about conversion to electric power.  My eyesight is not good but that section 
of the Stirling engine was too simplified to figure out how it works.

 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com>
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Thu, Nov 16, 2017 8:50 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:dark matter update--Mills' hydrinoes are a good bet



There is a lot of info on the "kilopower" that NASA is designing for Mars power 
to replace solar cells.


https://www.outerplaces.com/science/item/17087-nasa-kilopower-mars



The heat pipe driven Stirling converter is impressive at an efficiency of 38% 
at 800C.



On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 8:34 PM, Adrian Ashfield <a.ashfi...@verizon.net> wrote:

Axil,
Do you have any info on the Stirling engines.  I couldn't find anything useful 
on line.
Apart for the SunCell , it looks like it would simple enough to use the E-Cat 
QZ as the heat source.

 

 

Re: [Vo]:dark matter update--Mills' hydrinoes are a good bet

[Axil Axil]

There is a lot of info on the "kilopower" that NASA is designing for Mars
power to replace solar cells.

https://www.outerplaces.com/science/item/17087-nasa-kilopower-mars

The heat pipe driven Stirling converter is impressive at an efficiency of
38% at 800C.

On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 8:34 PM, Adrian Ashfield 
wrote:

> Axil,
> Do you have any info on the Stirling engines.  I couldn't find anything
> useful on line.
> Apart for the SunCell , it looks like it would simple enough to use the
> E-Cat QZ as the heat source.
>
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:dark matter update--Mills' hydrinoes are a good bet

[Adrian Ashfield]

Axil,
Do you have any info on the Stirling engines.  I couldn't find anything useful 
on line.
Apart for the SunCell , it looks like it would simple enough to use the E-Cat 
QZ as the heat source.

 

 

Re: [Vo]:dark matter update--Mills' hydrinoes are a good bet

[mixent]

In reply to  Axil Axil's message of Thu, 16 Nov 2017 17:01:05 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
>The silver needs to stay liquid at 1000C, but the SunCell reaction still
>produces 3000C temperatures. Mills could change the metal used for the
>liquid electrodes to get to a lower operating temperature.

I don't think getting to a lower temperature is a problem. He originally planned
on running at 3000 degrees because the radiant spectrum of a black body at that
temperature is a good match for solar cells. If he isn't going to use solar
cells, then there is no reason to stick to the 3000 degrees.

Note that the temperature is easily lowered by increasing the flow rate of
coolant, in whatever design is chosen.
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:dark matter update--Mills' hydrinoes are a good bet

[mixent]

In reply to  Axil Axil's message of Thu, 16 Nov 2017 16:56:04 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
>Even if the Mill's  SunCell based power plant is destine to power autos as
>a prime application, the lack of fuel combustion would minimize violations,
>Ceramics might be a workable solution to higher efficiency.

Indeed. 
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:dark matter update--Mills' hydrinoes are a good bet

[Axil Axil]

The silver needs to stay liquid at 1000C, but the SunCell reaction still
produces 3000C temperatures. Mills could change the metal used for the
liquid electrodes to get to a lower operating temperature.

On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 4:43 PM,  wrote:

> In reply to  Axil Axil's message of Thu, 16 Nov 2017 14:51:18 -0500:
> Hi,
> [snip]
> >Mills could also use the Kilopower solution. At 3000C, the effect must be
> >way over 38%.
> [snip]
> The only reason he was planning on running at that temperature was because
> he
> was planning on capturing radiant energy using solar cells. I doubt the
> temperature really needs to be that high.
> Regards,
>
> Robin van Spaandonk
>
> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
>
>

Re: [Vo]:dark matter update--Mills' hydrinoes are a good bet

[Axil Axil]

Even if the Mill's  SunCell based power plant is destine to power autos as
a prime application, the lack of fuel combustion would minimize violations,
Ceramics might be a workable solution to higher efficiency.

On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 4:47 PM,  wrote:

> In reply to  Axil Axil's message of Thu, 16 Nov 2017 15:54:21 -0500:
> Hi,
> [snip]
> >The kilopower system runs at 800C at an efficiency of 38%. It delivers
> heat
> >from the nuclear fuel via sodium heat pipes.
> >
> >permalink.lanl.gov/object/tr?what=info:lanl-repo/lareport/LA-UR-17-21903
> >
> >Would it be possible to use refractory material in the construction of the
> >engine to get its operating temperature up higher?
>
> Possibly. At one point the Japanese(?) were designing/building a ceramic
> car
> engine to run at higher temperatures. Not sure what became of that, but I
> suspect it wasn't tough enough to handle a continuous stream of mechanical
> shocks.
> [snip]
> Regards,
>
> Robin van Spaandonk
>
> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
>
>

Re: [Vo]:dark matter update--Mills' hydrinoes are a good bet

[mixent]

In reply to  Bob Higgins's message of Thu, 16 Nov 2017 13:07:46 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
>While the Carnot efficiency certainly goes up with temperature, the
>lifetime of the materials go down rapidly above about 500C.  Most
>commercial high reliability systems operate at about 300C.  The Sterling
>engine will have its share of material problems at 600C hot end, but is
>going to be a non-starter with the hot end at 3000C.  Of course, he could
>always insulate and take the heat out at 600C while taking the hit in
>efficiency.
>
>At 3000C, you will have substantial optical radiation - what happened to
>Mills' plan to use PV conversion?  

I already answered this here below.

>I always thought that the high energy PV
>conversion he planned was much farther out than what he stated.
>
>On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>
>> Mills could also use the Kilopower solution. At 3000C, the effect must be
>> way over 38%.
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 2:36 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>> In reply to  JonesBeene's message of Wed, 15 Nov 2017 18:15:22 -0800:
>>> Hi,
>>> [snip]
>>> >Sooner or later, it is likely that Mills will have a defector – unless
>>> of course he really has a breakthrough, but all indications are that this
>>> is the latest in a long string of over-hyped failures.
>>> >
>>> [snip]
>>> I don't think it's actually a failure, but rather shifted to the back
>>> burner, in
>>> favor of a design he thinks may be more likely to work. I suspect he went
>>> looking for another conversion technology after I pointed out to him that
>>> silver
>>> vapor wouldn't condense to a liquid in a cavity with a uniform
>>> temperature of
>>> over 3000 degrees.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Robin van Spaandonk
>>>
>>> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
>>>
>>>
>>
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:dark matter update--Mills' hydrinoes are a good bet

[mixent]

In reply to  Axil Axil's message of Thu, 16 Nov 2017 15:54:21 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
>The kilopower system runs at 800C at an efficiency of 38%. It delivers heat
>from the nuclear fuel via sodium heat pipes.
>
>permalink.lanl.gov/object/tr?what=info:lanl-repo/lareport/LA-UR-17-21903
>
>Would it be possible to use refractory material in the construction of the
>engine to get its operating temperature up higher?

Possibly. At one point the Japanese(?) were designing/building a ceramic car
engine to run at higher temperatures. Not sure what became of that, but I
suspect it wasn't tough enough to handle a continuous stream of mechanical
shocks.
[snip]
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:dark matter update--Mills' hydrinoes are a good bet

[mixent]

In reply to  Axil Axil's message of Thu, 16 Nov 2017 14:51:18 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
>Mills could also use the Kilopower solution. At 3000C, the effect must be
>way over 38%.
[snip]
The only reason he was planning on running at that temperature was because he
was planning on capturing radiant energy using solar cells. I doubt the
temperature really needs to be that high.
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:dark matter update--Mills' hydrinoes are a good bet

[Axil Axil]

The kilopower system runs at 800C at an efficiency of 38%. It delivers heat
from the nuclear fuel via sodium heat pipes.

permalink.lanl.gov/object/tr?what=info:lanl-repo/lareport/LA-UR-17-21903

Would it be possible to use refractory material in the construction of the
engine to get its operating temperature up higher?



On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 3:07 PM, Bob Higgins 
wrote:

> While the Carnot efficiency certainly goes up with temperature, the
> lifetime of the materials go down rapidly above about 500C.  Most
> commercial high reliability systems operate at about 300C.  The Sterling
> engine will have its share of material problems at 600C hot end, but is
> going to be a non-starter with the hot end at 3000C.  Of course, he could
> always insulate and take the heat out at 600C while taking the hit in
> efficiency.
>
> At 3000C, you will have substantial optical radiation - what happened to
> Mills' plan to use PV conversion?  I always thought that the high energy PV
> conversion he planned was much farther out than what he stated.
>
> On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>
>> Mills could also use the Kilopower solution. At 3000C, the effect must be
>> way over 38%.
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 2:36 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>> In reply to  JonesBeene's message of Wed, 15 Nov 2017 18:15:22 -0800:
>>> Hi,
>>> [snip]
>>> >Sooner or later, it is likely that Mills will have a defector – unless
>>> of course he really has a breakthrough, but all indications are that this
>>> is the latest in a long string of over-hyped failures.
>>> >
>>> [snip]
>>> I don't think it's actually a failure, but rather shifted to the back
>>> burner, in
>>> favor of a design he thinks may be more likely to work. I suspect he went
>>> looking for another conversion technology after I pointed out to him
>>> that silver
>>> vapor wouldn't condense to a liquid in a cavity with a uniform
>>> temperature of
>>> over 3000 degrees.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Robin van Spaandonk
>>>
>>> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:dark matter update--Mills' hydrinoes are a good bet

[Axil Axil]

Mills could also use the Kilopower solution. At 3000C, the effect must be
way over 38%.

On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 2:36 PM,  wrote:

> In reply to  JonesBeene's message of Wed, 15 Nov 2017 18:15:22 -0800:
> Hi,
> [snip]
> >Sooner or later, it is likely that Mills will have a defector – unless of
> course he really has a breakthrough, but all indications are that this is
> the latest in a long string of over-hyped failures.
> >
> [snip]
> I don't think it's actually a failure, but rather shifted to the back
> burner, in
> favor of a design he thinks may be more likely to work. I suspect he went
> looking for another conversion technology after I pointed out to him that
> silver
> vapor wouldn't condense to a liquid in a cavity with a uniform temperature
> of
> over 3000 degrees.
>
> Regards,
>
> Robin van Spaandonk
>
> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
>
>

Re: [Vo]:dark matter update--Mills' hydrinoes are a good bet

[mixent]

In reply to  JonesBeene's message of Wed, 15 Nov 2017 18:15:22 -0800:
Hi,
[snip]
>Sooner or later, it is likely that Mills will have a defector – unless of 
>course he really has a breakthrough, but all indications are that this is the 
>latest in a long string of over-hyped failures.
>
[snip]
I don't think it's actually a failure, but rather shifted to the back burner, in
favor of a design he thinks may be more likely to work. I suspect he went
looking for another conversion technology after I pointed out to him that silver
vapor wouldn't condense to a liquid in a cavity with a uniform temperature of
over 3000 degrees.

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

RE: [Vo]:dark matter update--Mills' hydrinoes are a good bet

[JonesBeene]

From: mix...@bigpond.com

➢ Are you sure that they ever had anyone in such a position? 

I would be shocked if BLP has not employed a high level mechanical engineer on 
the Sun Cell, given their enormous funding level and the needs of the project. 

He may not have the exact title “Lead Mechanical Engineer,” and if not then the 
present guy is being passed over, apparently.

Sooner or later, it is likely that Mills will have a defector – unless of 
course he really has a breakthrough, but all indications are that this is the 
latest in a long string of over-hyped failures.

Re: [Vo]:dark matter update--Mills' hydrinoes are a good bet

[mixent]

In reply to  JonesBeene's message of Wed, 15 Nov 2017 13:04:30 -0800:
Hi,
[snip]
>Whoever provided the subject heading for this thread must have learned to 
>spell from Dan Quayle (former VP)… big grin.
>
>One a slightly more serious not - interesting News from BLP turned up on 
>another forum…
>
>https://jobs.physicstoday.org/jobs/10412104/lead-mechanical-engineer
>
>This is a job offering for Lead Mechanical Engineer at BLP. 
>
>The implication is that the present Lead Mechanical Engineer either quit or 
>was fired.

Are you sure that they ever had anyone in such a position? Recent work on the
SunCell etc. was contracted out to various engineering houses. This may be an
indication that they intend to bring it in house again.
[snip]
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

RE: [Vo]:dark matter update--Mills' hydrinoes are a good bet

[JonesBeene]

Whoever provided the subject heading for this thread must have learned to spell 
from Dan Quayle (former VP)… big grin.

One a slightly more serious not - interesting News from BLP turned up on 
another forum…

https://jobs.physicstoday.org/jobs/10412104/lead-mechanical-engineer

This is a job offering for Lead Mechanical Engineer at BLP. 

The implication is that the present Lead Mechanical Engineer either quit or was 
fired.

Given the salary is good, the only reason one quits this kind of company at 
such a critical time is when they see the hopelessness of the technology.

If the present Lead Mechanical Engineer was fired this could mean that he is 
being held responsible for the current lack of progress in bringing anything to 
market or even to bring some tiny bit of credibility to the company - since 
they have almost no credibility in Academia or the Energy sector. 

It would be interesting if that person who is being replaced were to surface 
and provide some info on what is really going on at BLP - but chances are that 
his/her silence has been bought with a generous golden parachute. 

Re: [Vo]:dark matter update--Mills' hydrinoes are a good bet

[mixent]

In reply to  bobcook39...@hotmail.com's message of Wed, 15 Nov 2017 14:45:31
+:
Hi Bob,
[snip]
>Robin—
>
>
>
>The hydrogen after forming Mills’s hydrino may become a Cooper pair of 
>protons, but not change to a D nucleus, but instead couple with 2 electrons 
>(paired) to form a neutral duplex BEC  of 0 spin and 0 charge.

Sounds like a molecule to me, which is exactly what I would expect. However if
you put two protons in close proximity to one another for long enough,
especially when there are also a couple of electrons handy, then there is an
improved chance that a deuteron will form, probably following the electron
capture branch.
Note that the binding energy of these molecules can be tens of keV, which
implies a very high temperature to break them.
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

RE: [Vo]:dark matter update--Mills' hydrinoes are a good bet

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Robin—



The hydrogen after forming Mills’s hydrino may become a Cooper pair of protons, 
but not change to a D nucleus, but instead couple with 2 electrons (paired) to 
form a neutral duplex BEC  of 0 spin and 0 charge.



Bob Cook






From: mix...@bigpond.com <mix...@bigpond.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 5:11:57 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:dark matter update--Mills' hydrinoes are a good bet

In reply to  Axil Axil's message of Tue, 14 Nov 2017 14:54:31 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
>Dark matter is 6 times more dense throughout the cosmos than bright matter,
>This means that in a newly forming star, dark matter would form most of the
>mass of the star and the dark matter would participate in the nuclear
>reactions via fusion. Would not the hydrino ionize under the pressure of
>gravity  in the core of the star and become bright matter again?

Maybe, although they are much "tougher" than ordinary Hydrogen, and don't ionize
nearly as easily, which would have consequences for the size of the star at the
point of ignition. Hydrinos should enhance tunneling probability, so it's also
possible that this is responsible for ignition rather than pressure. I haven't
run the numbers, so I'm guessing here.


Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

RE: [Vo]:dark matter update--Mills' hydrinoes are a good bet

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Brian-

I was fatigued after only about 30 pages.  I would say that a technical editor 
to reduce some of the non-essential experimental details is warranted to reach 
a wider audience.

Bob Cook


From: Brian Ahern <ahern_br...@msn.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 3:57:58 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; Jones Beene
Subject: Re: [Vo]:dark matter update--Mills' hydrinoes are a good bet


He has done it again!  60 pages with 84 references is enough to wear out even 
enthusiastic audiences.


His data is indisputable, because it takes too much effort to enter into a 
dialog.


Dialog???  He does not allow for dialogue; only ephemeral 'demos'.



From: bobcook39...@hotmail.com <bobcook39...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 6:45 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:dark matter update--Mills' hydrinoes are a good bet


The spectra of hydrinoes match that spectra of cosmic radiation coming from the 
Milky Way and elsewhere per Mills.  See the following:



http://brilliantlightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/papers/EUV-Mechanism-051817.pdf<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbrilliantlightpower.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fpapers%2FEUV-Mechanism-051817.pdf=02%7C01%7CAhern_Brian%40msn.com%7Ce22548e08fa7446ec52008d52af094ec%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636462135132395715=Xbp4eJhE%2Bsj2JyN21BpGBF1DZahKONdtfnZDkPJ8I94%3D=0>



In addition  kIM’s presentation identifying the prediction of WIPMZILLAS at 
10e-24 eV would not be found by CERN.

http://susy10.uni-bonn.de/data/KimJEpreSUSY.pdf<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsusy10.uni-bonn.de%2Fdata%2FKimJEpreSUSY.pdf=02%7C01%7CAhern_Brian%40msn.com%7Ce22548e08fa7446ec52008d52af094ec%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636462135132395715=oYxwyifgJA2Fd94mSTBTXYWeqAipFPMSE0FOspR20Sg%3D=0>



Bob Cook




From: Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2017 11:58:57 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:dark matter update

https://www.nature.com/news/dark-matter-hunt-fails-to-find-the-elusive-particles-1.22970<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nature.com%2Fnews%2Fdark-matter-hunt-fails-to-find-the-elusive-particles-1.22970=02%7C01%7CAhern_Brian%40msn.com%7Ce22548e08fa7446ec52008d52af094ec%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636462135132395715=8ifml9qiog%2BAh75SCSnZvML%2BOKA7RwobYcAtnon0J3M%3D=0>

Dark-matter hunt fails to find the elusive particles

Physicists begin to embrace alternative explanations for the missing material.


http://frankwilczek.com/2017/axion_searches_01.pdf<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ffrankwilczek.com%2F2017%2Faxion_searches_01.pdf=02%7C01%7CAhern_Brian%40msn.com%7Ce22548e08fa7446ec52008d52af094ec%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636462135132395715=ok8jRnstFMLs1s3gRge1WhbYEL0bz36tZP7xpnv%2B4hs%3D=0>

Frank Wilczek surveys searches for his favorite dark matter alternative


On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 4:23 PM, Axil Axil 
<janap...@gmail.com<mailto:janap...@gmail.com>> wrote:
iF wimps existed, the LHC would have created them my now...sadly no wimps.

On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 1:34 PM, 
bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com> 
<bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

For in update on dark matter ideas and experiments see:



http://vixra.org/pdf/1706.0528v1.pdf<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fvixra.org%2Fpdf%2F1706.0528v1.pdf=02%7C01%7CAhern_Brian%40msn.com%7Ce22548e08fa7446ec52008d52af094ec%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636462135132395715=Bo%2FHvWc2XBFFiFdCt6p4PEqiM7SiFwROfhMUX25gXLY%3D=0>



In the Milky  Way it may be that the cosmic EM radiation is the annihilation of 
the particles making up dark matter at the center.  Wimps and anti wimps are 
suggested given the energy of the cosmic rays..



Bob Cook

Re: [Vo]:dark matter update--Mills' hydrinoes are a good bet

[mixent]

In reply to  Axil Axil's message of Tue, 14 Nov 2017 14:54:31 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
>Dark matter is 6 times more dense throughout the cosmos than bright matter,
>This means that in a newly forming star, dark matter would form most of the
>mass of the star and the dark matter would participate in the nuclear
>reactions via fusion. Would not the hydrino ionize under the pressure of
>gravity  in the core of the star and become bright matter again?

Maybe, although they are much "tougher" than ordinary Hydrogen, and don't ionize
nearly as easily, which would have consequences for the size of the star at the
point of ignition. Hydrinos should enhance tunneling probability, so it's also
possible that this is responsible for ignition rather than pressure. I haven't
run the numbers, so I'm guessing here.

 
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:dark matter update--Mills' hydrinoes are a good bet

[Axil Axil]

Dark matter is 6 times more dense throughout the cosmos than bright matter,
This means that in a newly forming star, dark matter would form most of the
mass of the star and the dark matter would participate in the nuclear
reactions via fusion. Would not the hydrino ionize under the pressure of
gravity  in the core of the star and become bright matter again?

On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 2:35 PM,  wrote:

> In reply to  Axil Axil's message of Mon, 13 Nov 2017 19:33:36 -0500:
> Hi,
> [snip]
> >Hydrinos will interact with bright matter magnetically and therefore is
> not
> >dark matter which does not interact with matter in any way save
> >gravitationally.
> [snip]
> 1. The notion that dark matter only reacts gravitationally may not be
> true. Note
> that this criterion was only invented to explain why it wasn't visible in
> space.
> 2. Hydrino molecules are chemically neutral, so in that sense, they don't
> interact with ordinary matter.
> 3. If Mills is correct about them floating to the top of the atmosphere, it
> would explain why few are found here on Earth. They only have half the
> mass of a
> Helium atom, and Helium is pretty scarce in the air.
> Regards,
>
> Robin van Spaandonk
>
> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
>
>

Re: [Vo]:dark matter update--Mills' hydrinoes are a good bet

[mixent]

In reply to  Axil Axil's message of Mon, 13 Nov 2017 19:33:36 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
>Hydrinos will interact with bright matter magnetically and therefore is not
>dark matter which does not interact with matter in any way save
>gravitationally.
[snip]
1. The notion that dark matter only reacts gravitationally may not be true. Note
that this criterion was only invented to explain why it wasn't visible in space.
2. Hydrino molecules are chemically neutral, so in that sense, they don't
interact with ordinary matter.
3. If Mills is correct about them floating to the top of the atmosphere, it
would explain why few are found here on Earth. They only have half the mass of a
Helium atom, and Helium is pretty scarce in the air.
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:dark matter update--Mills' hydrinoes are a good bet

[Brian Ahern]

He has done it again!  60 pages with 84 references is enough to wear out even 
enthusiastic audiences.


His data is indisputable, because it takes too much effort to enter into a 
dialog.


Dialog???  He does not allow for dialogue; only ephemeral 'demos'.



From: bobcook39...@hotmail.com <bobcook39...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 6:45 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:dark matter update--Mills' hydrinoes are a good bet


The spectra of hydrinoes match that spectra of cosmic radiation coming from the 
Milky Way and elsewhere per Mills.  See the following:



http://brilliantlightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/papers/EUV-Mechanism-051817.pdf<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbrilliantlightpower.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fpapers%2FEUV-Mechanism-051817.pdf=02%7C01%7CAhern_Brian%40msn.com%7Ce22548e08fa7446ec52008d52af094ec%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636462135132395715=Xbp4eJhE%2Bsj2JyN21BpGBF1DZahKONdtfnZDkPJ8I94%3D=0>



In addition  kIM’s presentation identifying the prediction of WIPMZILLAS at 
10e-24 eV would not be found by CERN.

http://susy10.uni-bonn.de/data/KimJEpreSUSY.pdf<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsusy10.uni-bonn.de%2Fdata%2FKimJEpreSUSY.pdf=02%7C01%7CAhern_Brian%40msn.com%7Ce22548e08fa7446ec52008d52af094ec%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636462135132395715=oYxwyifgJA2Fd94mSTBTXYWeqAipFPMSE0FOspR20Sg%3D=0>



Bob Cook




From: Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2017 11:58:57 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:dark matter update

https://www.nature.com/news/dark-matter-hunt-fails-to-find-the-elusive-particles-1.22970<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nature.com%2Fnews%2Fdark-matter-hunt-fails-to-find-the-elusive-particles-1.22970=02%7C01%7CAhern_Brian%40msn.com%7Ce22548e08fa7446ec52008d52af094ec%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636462135132395715=8ifml9qiog%2BAh75SCSnZvML%2BOKA7RwobYcAtnon0J3M%3D=0>

Dark-matter hunt fails to find the elusive particles

Physicists begin to embrace alternative explanations for the missing material.


http://frankwilczek.com/2017/axion_searches_01.pdf<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ffrankwilczek.com%2F2017%2Faxion_searches_01.pdf=02%7C01%7CAhern_Brian%40msn.com%7Ce22548e08fa7446ec52008d52af094ec%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636462135132395715=ok8jRnstFMLs1s3gRge1WhbYEL0bz36tZP7xpnv%2B4hs%3D=0>

Frank Wilczek surveys searches for his favorite dark matter alternative


On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 4:23 PM, Axil Axil 
<janap...@gmail.com<mailto:janap...@gmail.com>> wrote:
iF wimps existed, the LHC would have created them my now...sadly no wimps.

On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 1:34 PM, 
bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com> 
<bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

For in update on dark matter ideas and experiments see:



http://vixra.org/pdf/1706.0528v1.pdf<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fvixra.org%2Fpdf%2F1706.0528v1.pdf=02%7C01%7CAhern_Brian%40msn.com%7Ce22548e08fa7446ec52008d52af094ec%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636462135132395715=Bo%2FHvWc2XBFFiFdCt6p4PEqiM7SiFwROfhMUX25gXLY%3D=0>



In the Milky  Way it may be that the cosmic EM radiation is the annihilation of 
the particles making up dark matter at the center.  Wimps and anti wimps are 
suggested given the energy of the cosmic rays..



Bob Cook

RE: [Vo]:dark matter update

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Axil—

Franks presentation remind me of the Kim presentation regarding wimpzillas at 
10e-24 to 10e-27 eV.

Bob Cook

From: Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2017 11:58:57 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:dark matter update

https://www.nature.com/news/dark-matter-hunt-fails-to-find-the-elusive-particles-1.22970

Dark-matter hunt fails to find the elusive particles

Physicists begin to embrace alternative explanations for the missing material.


http://frankwilczek.com/2017/axion_searches_01.pdf

Frank Wilczek surveys searches for his favorite dark matter alternative


On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 4:23 PM, Axil Axil 
<janap...@gmail.com<mailto:janap...@gmail.com>> wrote:
iF wimps existed, the LHC would have created them my now...sadly no wimps.

On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 1:34 PM, 
bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com> 
<bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
For in update on dark matter ideas and experiments see:

http://vixra.org/pdf/1706.0528v1.pdf

In the Milky  Way it may be that the cosmic EM radiation is the annihilation of 
the particles making up dark matter at the center.  Wimps and anti wimps are 
suggested given the energy of the cosmic rays..

Bob Cook

Re: [Vo]:dark matter update--Mills' hydrinoes are a good bet

[Axil Axil]

Hydrinos will interact with bright matter magnetically and therefore is not
dark matter which does not interact with matter in any way save
gravitationally.

On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 6:45 PM, bobcook39...@hotmail.com <
bobcook39...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> The spectra of hydrinoes match that spectra of cosmic radiation coming
> from the Milky Way and elsewhere per Mills.  See the following:
>
>
>
> http://brilliantlightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/papers/
> EUV-Mechanism-051817.pdf
>
>
>
> In addition  kIM’s presentation identifying the prediction of WIPMZILLAS
> at 10e-24 eV would not be found by CERN.
>
> http://susy10.uni-bonn.de/data/KimJEpreSUSY.pdf
>
>
>
> Bob Cook
>
>
> --
> *From:* Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 12, 2017 11:58:57 PM
> *To:* vortex-l
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:dark matter update
>
> https://www.nature.com/news/dark-matter-hunt-fails-to-
> find-the-elusive-particles-1.22970
>
> Dark-matter hunt fails to find the elusive particles
>
> Physicists begin to embrace alternative explanations for the missing
> material.
>
>
> *http://frankwilczek.com/2017/axion_searches_01.pdf
> <http://frankwilczek.com/2017/axion_searches_01.pdf>*
>
> Frank Wilczek surveys searches for his favorite dark matter alternative
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 4:23 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> iF wimps existed, the LHC would have created them my now...sadly no wimps.
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 1:34 PM, bobcook39...@hotmail.com <
>> bobcook39...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> For in update on dark matter ideas and experiments see:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://vixra.org/pdf/1706.0528v1.pdf
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In the Milky  Way it may be that the cosmic EM radiation is the
>>> annihilation of the particles making up dark matter at the center.  Wimps
>>> and anti wimps are suggested given the energy of the cosmic rays..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob Cook
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

RE: [Vo]:dark matter update--Mills' hydrinoes are a good bet

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

The spectra of hydrinoes match that spectra of cosmic radiation coming from the 
Milky Way and elsewhere per Mills.  See the following:

http://brilliantlightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/papers/EUV-Mechanism-051817.pdf

In addition  kIM’s presentation identifying the prediction of WIPMZILLAS at 
10e-24 eV would not be found by CERN.
http://susy10.uni-bonn.de/data/KimJEpreSUSY.pdf

Bob Cook


From: Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2017 11:58:57 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:dark matter update

https://www.nature.com/news/dark-matter-hunt-fails-to-find-the-elusive-particles-1.22970

Dark-matter hunt fails to find the elusive particles

Physicists begin to embrace alternative explanations for the missing material.


http://frankwilczek.com/2017/axion_searches_01.pdf

Frank Wilczek surveys searches for his favorite dark matter alternative


On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 4:23 PM, Axil Axil 
<janap...@gmail.com<mailto:janap...@gmail.com>> wrote:
iF wimps existed, the LHC would have created them my now...sadly no wimps.

On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 1:34 PM, 
bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com> 
<bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
For in update on dark matter ideas and experiments see:

http://vixra.org/pdf/1706.0528v1.pdf

In the Milky  Way it may be that the cosmic EM radiation is the annihilation of 
the particles making up dark matter at the center.  Wimps and anti wimps are 
suggested given the energy of the cosmic rays..

Bob Cook

Re: [Vo]:dark matter update

[Axil Axil]

https://www.nature.com/news/dark-matter-hunt-fails-to-find-the-elusive-particles-1.22970

Dark-matter hunt fails to find the elusive particles

Physicists begin to embrace alternative explanations for the missing
material.


*http://frankwilczek.com/2017/axion_searches_01.pdf
*

Frank Wilczek surveys searches for his favorite dark matter alternative



On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 4:23 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:

> iF wimps existed, the LHC would have created them my now...sadly no wimps.
>
> On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 1:34 PM, bobcook39...@hotmail.com <
> bobcook39...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> For in update on dark matter ideas and experiments see:
>>
>>
>>
>> http://vixra.org/pdf/1706.0528v1.pdf
>>
>>
>>
>> In the Milky  Way it may be that the cosmic EM radiation is the
>> annihilation of the particles making up dark matter at the center.  Wimps
>> and anti wimps are suggested given the energy of the cosmic rays..
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob Cook
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:dark matter update

[Axil Axil]

iF wimps existed, the LHC would have created them my now...sadly no wimps.

On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 1:34 PM, bobcook39...@hotmail.com <
bobcook39...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> For in update on dark matter ideas and experiments see:
>
>
>
> http://vixra.org/pdf/1706.0528v1.pdf
>
>
>
> In the Milky  Way it may be that the cosmic EM radiation is the
> annihilation of the particles making up dark matter at the center.  Wimps
> and anti wimps are suggested given the energy of the cosmic rays..
>
>
>
> Bob Cook
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>