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Good question. Andrea Rossi May 22, 2016 at 4:31 PM Oystein Lande: It’s ok, thanks for your comprehension. The circuit was complex, but yes, the steam was superheated. Warm Regards, A.R. Andrea Rossi May 22, 2016 at 1:06 PM Oystein Lande: Let me repeat another time: I cannot disclose even

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No Jed, My motto is ,there is always two possibilities. I an sure you have found the only thing that contradict that statment. You may have inside information but you have claim for having THE answer. On May 21, 2016 13:32, "Jed Rothwell" wrote: H LV

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H LV wrote: 4. Apply some common sense. Ask yourself: what other reason would Rossi >> have to refuse admittance, other than the fact that there is no 1 MW >> machine, and no ventilation system or other means of getting rid of the >> waste heat? Can you propose ANY reason

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​I wrote: > ​It seems to me the doctrine of ​u > nconscionability > ​could be used by IH in their defense although it would be inconsistent > with their claim of having performed due diligence. > > ​Actually, it says only a judge can rule on unconscionability and since the trial (I think) is by

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​It seems to me the doctrine of ​u nconscionability ​could be used by IH in their defense although it would be inconsistent with their claim of having performed due diligence. ​ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconscionability​ ​<< Unconscionability ​ ​ (sometimes known as unconscionable

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On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 10:28 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > > 4. Apply some common sense. Ask yourself: what other reason would Rossi > have to refuse admittance, other than the fact that there is no 1 MW > machine, and no ventilation system or other means of getting rid of

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Jed. "I have no knowledge of this alleged agreement, but I know that Rossi constantly lies about all kinds of things, including me. However, as I pointed out above, even if there were such an agreement, any sensible person would agree to modify it when the I.H. expert insisted he needed

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a.ashfield wrote: > AA. Jed, you have made much of Rossi's refusal to allow IH to visit the > customer's plant. Now that statement looks very misleading unless you have > some evidence that Rossi lied about it being IH's written agreement. > I have no knowledge of

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Jed. "His refusal to allow access to the customer site tells you he is running a scam." "Their statement about blocking the door to the customer convinces me. " AA. Jed, you have made much of Rossi's refusal to allow IH to visit the customer's plant. Now that statement looks very misleading

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Mats Lewan is quoted: > << > ​...​ > I have been in contact with people with insight into the MW report, that > hopefully will get public this summer as part of the lawsuit, and they told > me that based on the contents, the only way for IH to claim a COP about 1 > (that no heat was

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Axil Axil wrote: The trail will cut through the FUD, > You mean the trial. Rossi has already cut through the FUD in the interview. His numbers tell you there is no excess heat. His refusal to allow access to the customer site tells you he is running a scam. Rossi has

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The trail will cut through the FUD, On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 11:18 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > a.ashfield wrote: > > Jed "As I said, there is clear evidence of that: Rossi refused to let >> anyone see the customer site. You have that from Rossi

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a.ashfield wrote: Jed "As I said, there is clear evidence of that: Rossi refused to let > anyone see the customer site. You have that from Rossi himself." > > AA. It seems this was the agreement written by IH before the test began. > 1. Rossi himself in the interview

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Jed "As I said, there is clear evidence of that: Rossi refused to let anyone see the customer site. You have that from Rossi himself." AA. It seems this was the agreement written by IH before the test began. 1. Sebastian May 20, 2016 at 4:50 PM

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On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 5:48 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Lennart Thornros wrote: > >> No Jed I do not know the results. >> > The results are quoted by Rossi right here in the interview! What do you > mean you do not know them? You can't read? > >

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a.ashfield wrote: > You still do not give actual figures nor cover the unknowns. > Rossi gave the figures, in the interview with Lewan. If you don't believe him, you don't believe me, and you don't believe I.H. . . . Who *do* you believe? As I said, I am not free to

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Jed, You still do not give actual figures nor cover the unknowns. I think it better to wait before coming to a conclusion, but you have already made your bed. ff the output really was zero you are saying Rossi, his team, Penon and the customer have all engaged in fraud.

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a.ashfield wrote: AA. That is still not enough. What was the actual temperature (just over > 100C doesn't hack it), what was the pressure, was there a steam trap or > other device to take out the condensate? > I can only say that the answers prove there cannot possibly

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Jed. "The results are quoted by Rossi right here in the interview! What do you mean you do not know them? You can't read? Daniel Rocha did the analysis of the numbers from the interview. He showed the temperature is just above 100°C. The data sample provided by Rossi to Lewan, to me and to

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Mats does know how to do calorimeter calculations. He is an applied physicist, that should be imprinted on his mind. I think that it is highly unlikely that he did a mistake in calculation. It's much more likely that he is just lying or that he has a completely different set of data.It is possible

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Lennart Thornros wrote: > No Jed I do not know the results. > The results are quoted by Rossi right here in the interview! What do you mean you do not know them? You can't read? Daniel Rocha did the analysis of the numbers from the interview. He showed the temperature is

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No Jed I do not know the results. I know not to spout firm controversial judgment. the without support. I am sure you know. I am less sure of you judgment, based on your vague bak up of your statements On May 20, 2016 17:29, "Jed Rothwell" wrote: > Lennart Thornros

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a.ashfield wrote: > I have not seen any convincing proof from you either. > It is RIGHT THERE in the statements Rossi made in the interview! I don't need to give you anything. Do the numbers. The temperature is just at boiling. There is no steam. He himself is bragging

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Lennart Thornros wrote: > Jed, if I had nothing I should say nothing. > Vague data and very mean conclusion. > There is nothing vague about it! Rossi's own numbers show the temperature of the fluid is just above 100°C. That is his own data, in the Lewan interview. What more

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Jed, if I had nothing I should say nothing. Vague data and very mean conclusion. There is no win in that behavior regardless of if you are right or wrong. Just reflects back on you. On May 20, 2016 16:45, "a.ashfield" wrote: > Jed, > I have not seen any convincing proof

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Jed, I have not seen any convincing proof from you either. “That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.”

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Lennart Thornros wrote: > But Jed, if you have the data why do you advice me to ask Rossi instead of > just sending them. > Because I am not free to share everything yet, obviously. You don't need anything more from me. Look at the numbers from Rossi and the analysis from

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But Jed, if you have the data why do you advice me to ask Rossi instead of just sending them. On May 20, 2016 15:16, "Jed Rothwell" wrote: > Lennart Thornros wrote: > >> Show me and the all Vortex and we might just agree. >> > Show you what? You

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Lennart Thornros wrote: > Show me and the all Vortex and we might just agree. > Show you what? You don't believe what Rossi said to Lewan? He said that the I.H. expert insisted, but he did not allow it. From that alone it is clear he is running a scam. You don't even

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Show me and the all Vortex and we might just agree. Just sitting there telling a bunch of smart people how it is makes no sense. Show it. On May 20, 2016 14:34, "Jed Rothwell" wrote: > Lennart Thornros wrote: > > Jed, just one reason one proof is

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Lennart Thornros wrote: Jed, just one reason one proof is more reliable than another. > Because you believe? > No, because the data shows it. > If IH is in control they would come free . . . > I.H. is not in control. As Rossi said in the Lewan interview, the I.H. expert

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Jed, just one reason one proof is more reliable than another. Because you believe? If IH is in control they would come free and not gossip their findings. Tell me one reason they should not. Do not say lawsuit as it is on the contrary if they have solid ground. On May 20, 2016 13:53, "Jed

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Lennart Thornros wrote: No, it is not real proof, but it is far better reasoning than IH reason to > not pay only has one explanation ; the ecat does notwork. > Perhaps I.H. has many reasons, but the the reason they gave is that the e- cat does not work. There is no

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He would have to live in a place where he would not be extradited and make sure he can use the money. So, he'd probably have to run away carrying some kind precious metal, to make sure he wouldn't have problems with a closed bank account. 2016-05-20 12:24 GMT-03:00 Lennart Thornros

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Yes, Bob I think business climate is important. I have not been so impressed by Swedish business climate in the past, but it has some advantages to the US systems particularly the government and the universities are only part of the equation. The Royal academy of science and similar organization

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Bob Cook wrote: > As he mentioned on his blog several times, he was preparing numerous > patents for something—the Quark X IMHO. When this came out IH got upset I > would imagine. They decided that they would not pay the extra $89M for > only the E-Cat IP license.

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science behind the Rossi Effect. I think he was careful not to let the > scope of the agreement extend to the Quark X technology, which he knew was > around the corner and would make the E-Cat and Hot Cat inventions less > important. > > Bob Cook > > *From:* Eric Walker <

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From: Daniel Rocha I think it covered the hot cats. The cold cat is way too weird. Generally cold fusion happens with high temperatures, at least microscopically. For example, the working function of a metal is 4eV. So, when you do electrolysis, you have at at least at tiny places the

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Lennart, I said that with more confidence than is warranted. I am not a lawyer, so I do not know how to interpret a license agreement, how the court will interpret this particular agreement, or what IH and Rossi should have put in it with the benefit of hindsight. But I suggest to anyone who is

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Eric , I agree with your evaluation of the contract. However, there is one of the issues I do not understand about IH's handling. Why did they not specify the details of how the transfer should be done. I would in their shoes. Maybe I just have been around for too long:) IMHO that is a major flaw

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I think it covered the hot cats. The cold cat is way too weird. Generally cold fusion happens with high temperatures, at least microscopically. For example, the working function of a metal is 4eV. So, when you do electrolysis, you have at at least at tiny places the equivalent of 40,000 K. Though,

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On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Bob Cook wrote: The Hot Cat is a different invention and its operation was not covered in > the IP transferred by the IP of the agreement IMHO. > I read the license agreement quite differently. It had language pertaining to all future

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The only way to steal IP from a patent (other than producing and selling in secret) is to make changes, possibly ones that give you a superior technology that is not protected by their patent that you then patent. ' Patents are about giving IP freely, but protecting the rights. Thinking about it,

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Bob Cook wrote: It would seem the only PHOSITA that was required by the agreement was for > the low temperature E-Cat. Rossi has indicated he taught the IH engineers > what was necessary to operate the E-Cat, probably up to a COP of 6. That > is all the patent