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Please take this to vortexb.
Noone^2 wrote:
I not a very jovial person.
Yaaa think? J
Whatever the baggage you're carrying around with you, don't you think it's
time to let it go? It does nothing by make one's life miserable and full of
drama.
-m
But whose technology are they going to be testing?
Possibility #1 -- Their own tech they developed from scratch. (THIS WOULD BE
WORTH CELEBRATING!)
Possibility #2 -- A copy cat of Rossi's technology, using his intellectual
property without permission. (This would be a horrible tragedy.)
hope they sell a billion
Hyperions.
From: Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com
To: noone noone thesteornpa...@yahoo.com
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 5:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Test day in Greece time
If the devices work, I think all options are OK. Apple
Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com
To: noone noone thesteornpa...@yahoo.com
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 6:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Test day in Greece time
from the data they give :
the H2 pressure is higher (50bars)
no radiofrequency
capacity to work much above 400C (600C,900C)
many catalyst tested
breakthrough that will change the
world.
From: Charly Sistovaris charlysi...@gmail.com
To: noone noone thesteornpa...@yahoo.com
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 6:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Test day in Greece time
#1 I doubt it
#2 #3 the only tragedy is if ecat's a hoax
The way i see it (thanks to Jed) the first paper about Ni-H goes back to 1979,
and the first Focardi paper about Ni-H was published in 1994.
Now, as far as i know, Defkalion has not sold any Hyperion yet.
But if the tests are conclusive the most important result will be that all
doubts about
I wonder where the test protocols are... It's by now nearly 16:00 in
Athens, so when do the tests start? The protocols should be published
before the tests begin AFAIK.
The way i see it (thanks to Jed) the first paper about Ni-H goes back
to 1979, and the first Focardi paper about Ni-H was
noone noone thesteornpa...@yahoo.com wrote:
Possibility #2 -- A copy cat of Rossi's technology, using his intellectual
property without permission. (This would be a horrible tragedy.)
Nonsense. Companies use technology all the time without permission. This
would not be a horrible tragedy; it
maybe they change their idea, under the demand of the tester,
to avoid the crazy behavior of fans and pathoskeptics.
also maybe the testers don't wan't to be identified before the test succeed
to avoid looking ridiculous...
cold fusion is really frightening for corp and officials...
I feel like
Hm wouldn't it be better if they would announce such a change?
Now i am sitting here and constantly hitting F5 on my keyboard with
the opened Defkalion site in front of me ;)
maybe they change their idea, under the demand of the tester,
to avoid the crazy behavior of fans and pathoskeptics.
From Jed,
noone noone wrote:
Possibility #2 -- A copy cat of Rossi's technology, using his intellectual
property without permission. (This would be a horrible tragedy.)
Nonsense.
I agree,
What well-known company has not filed suit against a potential
competitor for daring to kick the
It's just b'ness. Leave tragedy to the novels.
On Friday, February 24, 2012, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
From Jed,
noone noone wrote:
Possibility #2 -- A copy cat of Rossi's technology, using his
intellectual
property without permission. (This would be
Indeed Jed, I found this somewhat hilarious, that people (e.g. Noone noone) are
accusing Defkalion about IP-theft.
I have previously stated, that current patent legislation is outdated, because
the benefit of IP-rights cannot even remotely offset, the cost of lawyers and
bureaucracy involved
.
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Test day in Greece time
noone noone thesteornpa...@yahoo.com wrote:
Possibility #2 -- A copy cat of Rossi's technology, using his intellectual
property without
, so be it.
From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Test day in Greece time
From Jed,
noone noone wrote:
Possibility #2 -- A copy cat of Rossi's
prize.
I hope his mission in life becomes to stop anyone who has used his technology
without permission.
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Test day in Greece time
noone noone thesteornpa
...@hotmail.com
To: noone noone thesteornpa...@yahoo.com
Cc: vortex-l@eskimo.com vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Test day in Greece time
That's not going to happen. Almost everyone who has made a lot of money off of
new technology has stolen
noone noone sez:
If I invented a billion dollar technology and someone copied
it without my permission, I would not accept a trillion
dollars from a lawsuit.
The only thing I would accept is for the other company to be
forced to re-call all their products. Then I would make money
by
the
world is going, individuals are having their rights violated more and more each
day.
From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Test day in Greece time
violated more and more
each day.
From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Test day in Greece time
noone noone sez:
If I invented a billion dollar technology and someone copied
*Sent:* Friday, February 24, 2012 1:21 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Test day in Greece time
noone noone sez:
If I invented a billion dollar technology and someone copied
it without my permission, I would not accept a trillion
dollars from a lawsuit.
The only thing I would accept is for the other
svj.orionwo...@gmail.com
*To:* vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Friday, February 24, 2012 1:21 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Test day in Greece time
noone noone sez:
If I invented a billion dollar technology and someone copied
it without my permission, I would not accept a trillion
dollars from
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 1:03 PM, noone noone thesteornpa...@yahoo.com wrote:
A principled inventor would not accept a penny in damages in exchange for
the other company to continue selling the products. A principled inventor
would demand that the other company re-call their products, and be
It's been a slow-news Friday afternoon, so please accept my apologies
for continuing this protracted discussion with noone noone:
The world according to noone noone:
If I invented a billion dollar technology and someone copied
it without my permission, I would not accept a trillion
dollars
thesteornpa...@yahoo.com
Cc: vortex-l@eskimo.com vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Test day in Greece time
If everyone was better off, including yourself, you'd still follow your
values? I completely disagree with this. All I care about is making
purposes.
From: David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com
To: thesteornpa...@yahoo.com
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Test day in Greece time
It is fairly clear to me that DGT has a different design than Rossi. You seem
to be over reacting
to rights and
freedoms there is no room for compromise.
From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Test day in Greece time
It's been a slow-news Friday
Jed is right on. There will be plenty of money to go around if this
technology is a go
On Friday, February 24, 2012, Jed Rothwell wrote:
noone noone thesteornpa...@yahoo.com javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
'thesteornpa...@yahoo.com'); wrote:
We do not need both companies if one company has
hope the reality of things are
not as horrible as you portray.
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Test day in Greece time
noone noone thesteornpa...@yahoo.com wrote:
We
when it comes to the use of
the stolen items.
It is the same exact thing.
From: Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Test day in Greece time
Jed is right
.
From: Jarold McWilliams oldja...@hotmail.com
To: thesteornpa...@yahoo.com
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 6:41 PM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Test day in Greece time
Can't someone have different values than you? I am all for open marriage. How
am I not a Christian if I favor
The greek corner has a post at 3:38 pm
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=eltl=enjs=nprev=_thl=enie=UTF-8layout=2eotf=1u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.defkalion-energy.com%2Fforum%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ff%3D4%26t%3D359%26p%3D6607%26sid%3D7ec7ecfb643df0284b6e2919cb1c5c34%23p6607
alfalfa wrote:
Good luck
: thesteornpa...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Test day in Greece time
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Of course other people can have different values, but it does not mean their
values are the correct ones. There can only be one correct set of values for
humanity when it comes to right and wrong.
If you
noone noone thesteornpa...@yahoo.com wrote:
If I did decide to take money (if I thought it was the best way to fight
against the company using my technology), I would let it be known to the
courts that any money awarded to me would be instantly used to try and stop
the activities of the
is a bit silly and is most likely someone's idea of a
joke.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: noone noone thesteornpa...@yahoo.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, Feb 24, 2012 7:02 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Test day in Greece time
I am not an expert at law, but I would strive
From: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com
To: noone noone thesteornpa...@yahoo.com
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Test day in Greece time
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 1:03 PM, noone noone thesteornpa...@yahoo.com
wrote:
If I
, February 24, 2012 4:36 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Test day in Greece time
noone noone thesteornpa...@yahoo.com wrote:
We do not need both companies if one company has stolen intellectual
property. We do NOT know if this is the case. I am not saying they have
stolen
Do you really think that if the U.S. government had the power to forbid
implementation of cold fusion, that they wouldn't realize a cold fusion device
is headed for the market?
From: hoyt.stea...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Test day in Greece time
Date: Fri, 24 Feb
: RE: [Vo]:Test day in Greece time
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 19:25:15 -0700
As I recall, a patent may be denied ( and possibly implementation forbidden )
if it would be substantially disruptive to the US economy ( that seems to imply
that the really great inventions are suppressed :-( ).
A good
with you anything when you are dead. You can
only hope that you lived as ethically and morally as possible.
From: David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Test day in Greece time
I think
PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Test day in Greece time
noone noone thesteornpa...@yahoo.com wrote:
If I did decide to take money (if I thought it was the best way to fight
against the company using my technology), I would let it be known to the courts
that any money awarded to me would be instantly
to stand up
for himself. By doing so, he will also be standing up for all future inventors.
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Test day in Greece time
noone noone
I think your reply address isn't configured to point to vortex-l.
I hope Defkalion's technology is original. It very well may be. But if it
is not, it is a shame that they did not simply pay Rossi earlier in 2011 so
they could continue working together. Instead, if 2 or 3 is true, Rossi may
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 9:10 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
I personally think the patent system is fatally flawed, and I haven't the
slightest sympathy for the idea of intellectual property.
The conversation has moved on, but I should moderate the statement above, a
little. I
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