Re: WebObjects development (Mark Wardle)

2014-03-08 Thread jazz
Hi Mark, When reading through your email I realised that this is quite nicely summarising my thoughts on this topic. I hear other people on the list talking about the past, but this is about the future. Since Apple now has a large installed base of iOS devices, it would be worth a try again

Re: WebObjects development

2014-03-08 Thread Joel M. Benisch
Precisely what I was trying to express, just done much for elegantly. Too many years in management. I guess my code factoring skills are rusty. Thanks for saying it so clearly. -- Joel M. Benisch CPCU,

Re: WebObjects development (Mark Wardle)

2014-03-08 Thread Joel M. Benisch
+1, whole heartedly. Universal medical records. Does anyone know of a better server side engine or tool set available to handle all the disparate types of data that the inevitable national health records data base will house? I don't. I'm in the Insurance Business. WO rocks for our

Re: WebObjects development (Mark Wardle)

2014-03-08 Thread Jesse Tayler
go ahead and store anything you want into Mongo DB and it dumps whatever rats nest of data you put in there without a care in the world. is that a good thing? you decide. my world is mobile, and the web counterparts need a rational routing, and presentation navigation standards to help the

Re: WebObjects development (Mark Wardle)

2014-03-08 Thread James Cicenia
Been doing iOS work at a Big Health Tech Company. They use a big Hadoop database for storing everything and then use various ETL type systems to move, clean, organize, etc, back into a SQL database. Most of the iOS stuff talks with Rest to RubyOnRails, hence, my desire to maybe start learning

Re: WebObjects development (Mark Wardle)

2014-03-08 Thread Aaron Rosenzweig
Once you realize javascript has more in common with LISP than Java you will like it more. Javascript *can* be programmed in a Java-like manner and the syntax shares many similarities when you treat it that way. That does not mean that you *should.” You’ll gain a deeper understanding when you

Re: WebObjects development (Mark Wardle)

2014-03-08 Thread Jeffrey Schmitz
Thanks Aaron, I'm going to keep this email front and center during the Fluent conference. Been awhile since my LISP, but I do remember it being very slick. I'm just not sure how good it would be for large projects. My mind is definitely geared toward OO, and I don't recall there being

Re: WebObjects development

2014-03-07 Thread Pascal Robert
Please please please... Someone went as far as asking for support by talking to an Apple Senior VP, and the answer was: NO! Stop thinking that Apple will help us after 5 years without any help from Apple. They even stopped contributing to Wonder 3 years ago. Envoyé de mon iPhone Le

Re: WebObjects development

2014-03-07 Thread Aaron Rosenzweig
Am I right or what? WO is an elite “gentleman’s club” There are those “in the circle” and those outside. If Mark wants to send a note of praise to someone, why not? Even if it is Tim Cook. Will anything bad come of that? It may fall on deaf ears but that’s ok. Mark, I’m glad you love WO.

Re: WebObjects development

2014-03-07 Thread Pascal Robert
Le 2014-03-07 à 19:21, Aaron Rosenzweig aa...@chatnbike.com a écrit : Am I right or what? WO is an elite “gentleman’s club” There are those “in the circle” and those outside. For the record, I’m not the one who contacted a senior VP. If Mark wants to send a note of praise to someone, why

Re: WebObjects development

2014-03-07 Thread Joel M. Benisch
Interesting issue/discussion. On the one hand, WO does not have the potential critical sales mass to warrant selling it as a supported product. On the other hand, WO has so much strategic value that Apple can't afford to release it into the wild ? WTF. I know some economists who

Re: WebObjects development

2014-03-07 Thread Pascal Robert
Le 2014-03-07 à 19:57, Joel M. Benisch jo...@paperfree.net a écrit : Interesting issue/discussion. On the one hand, WO does not have the potential critical sales mass to warrant selling it as a supported product. On the other hand, WO has so much strategic value that Apple can't

Re: WebObjects development

2014-03-07 Thread Chuck Hill
On 2014-03-07, 4:57 PM, Joel M. Benisch wrote: Interesting issue/discussion. On the one hand, WO does not have the potential critical sales mass to warrant selling it as a supported product. On the other hand, WO has so much strategic value that Apple can't afford to release it into the

Re: WebObjects development

2014-03-07 Thread Nilton Lessa
Em 07/03/2014, às 21:46, Pascal Robert prob...@macti.ca escreveu: Le 2014-03-07 à 19:21, Aaron Rosenzweig aa...@chatnbike.com a écrit : Am I right or what? WO is an elite “gentleman’s club” There are those “in the circle” and those outside. For the record, I’m not the one who

Re: WebObjects development

2014-03-07 Thread Jonathan Miller
I know you guys are right and I loathe to involve myself in this discussion but here goes nothing... Does Apple make a lot of money selling XCode? It seems to me that WO is another tool that Apple could support that enables developers to make great applications for their platform. After all,

Re: WebObjects development

2014-03-07 Thread Pascal Robert
Envoyé de mon iPhone Le 2014-03-07 à 21:05, Jonathan Miller jlmil...@kahalawai.com a écrit : I know you guys are right and I loathe to involve myself in this discussion but here goes nothing... Does Apple make a lot of money selling XCode? They make money by selling laptops to

Re: WebObjects development

2014-03-07 Thread Jonathan Miller
It's all about iPhone and iPad sales and one of the things that makes Apple's devices the best is the quantity and quality of the applications in the platform. And the application server is an essential component to many iOS and Mac applications with the prime example being iTunes. On Fri, Mar

Re: WebObjects development

2014-03-07 Thread Pascal Robert
Like Chuck, Apple got out of that business (real server software, XServe, WO). If they are going to offer something on the server-side, it will probably be a Apple-hosted solution that they will control. Envoyé de mon iPhone Le 2014-03-07 à 21:31, Jonathan Miller jlmil...@kahalawai.com a

Re: WebObjects development

2014-03-07 Thread Johnny Miller
Sounds great to me! Here is your laptop, dev tools and apple hosted OS X VM. Well one can dream. Have a nice weekend! On Mar 7, 2014, at 4:34 PM, Pascal Robert prob...@macti.ca wrote: Like Chuck, Apple got out of that business (real server software, XServe, WO). If they are going to

Re: WebObjects development

2014-03-07 Thread Chuck Hill
Unlike iOS and OS X, Apple does not own the server platform. Communication is via standard protocols. And Apple is no longer in the server market. Bringing back WO as a product is NOT going to sell more iPhones. It is NOT going to make more money for Apple. Making a really good SDK and

Re: WebObjects development

2014-03-07 Thread Johnny Miller
Does that make Google dumb? https://cloud.google.com/developers/articles/how-to-build-mobile-app-with-app-engine-backend-tutorial Sent from my iPad On Mar 7, 2014, at 6:06 PM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net wrote: Unlike iOS and OS X, Apple does not own the server platform.

Re: WebObjects development

2014-03-07 Thread Tom M. Blenko
I can put it more succinctly than Chuck by saying that Chuck seems to me to have this right, front-to-back. Three comments: 1. There was a time when WebObjects fit Apple's business model as did, e.g., the Xserve product. That model changed, a lot, many years ago now. 2. I don't think the