On 05.03.2014, at 22:50, Klaus Berkling webobje...@berkling.us wrote:
On Mar 5, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Ramsey Gurley rgur...@smarthealth.com wrote:
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Fourth, the tooling is showing bit rot. Q is the only person left who really
has a handle on how WOLips works. My copy of rule modeler
Hi,
I saw two messages on the list recently. Maybe we can combine the two?
Alan, would Apple be able to provide server access for Jenkins, Confluence?
(current server is paid up to June 30th and there are not enough members to pay
for it afterwards, see below).
Many thanks, Bart
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Please please please, stop thinking that Apple will help us. Not that some
Apple employees don't want to, but Apple management don't care. Many people
have asked for new releases by talking to top level management and it went
nowhere.
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Le 2014-03-07 à 05:04, jazz
On 05.03.2014, at 12:37, Jürgen Simon si...@webtecc.com wrote:
Hello,
this is not a technical inquiry, more a temperature check on the business
side of WebObjects. It is my impression that at least in Germany, after the
2008/2009 crisis the market for WebObjects-projects has really been
Le 2014-03-07 à 00:04, Paul Hoadley pa...@logicsquad.net a écrit :
Hi Pascal,
On 07/03/2014, at 12:34 PM, Pascal Robert prob...@macti.ca wrote:
I can help with the server (upgrading Jenkins and Confluence, etc.), but I
have no time to modernize the Web site. The server is paid up to
Hi all,
I would like to share my experience with WO.
We have developed many systems with WO, some of them was for a big telephone
company here in Mexico. After some changes in the IT department in this company
they decided to change all the system developed with WO. They call HP, MS and
many
Yep. WO is dead.
I was thinking of starting learning Ruby. I love Objective-C and iPhone
development. And now was thinking about Node or Ruby for the back end. Thoughts?
This also has been the finest list I have ever had the joy of participating.
Everyone has helped, educated and scolded me
You know, I still get far and away the best results using WO.
I’ve been using Mongo and Node and it’s fine…I guess…if you want javascript
running your server.
People say you can do all these cool things, but it seems to me that mongo
stores arbitrary stuff that get you into trouble down the
Fashion is fun for a season.
Fine clothing gets handed down through the generations
My son is currently hiking the Rockies wearing the good flannel shirts I wore
in the 70s
The WO App we began developing in the late 90s is still in service and simply
does't break
I know how I
Hah.
For WO to be dead it would have first had to have been alive.
Java is a dead language… It is static code in a file that has to be compiled to
byte code. It is brought back from the dead by Eclipse… like the living dead.
Objective-C is also dead in the same manner.
WO has always been an
Hi folks,
we have dozens of active WO-based projects running for happy customers. Our
company has been doing WO since the early beginnings, and we still use it all
the time for new projects if it fits the needs. Which it most often does,
usually accompanied by some Javascript frameworks.
Like
That makes sense to me
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I see. I wonder if it can be done more cheaply. I know MacStadium will host a
co-located mac-mini server for $35/month. Again, probably some history here
I'm not aware of, but thought I'd throw it out there.
Jeff
On Mar 7, 2014, at 10:17 AM, Pascal Robert prob...@macti.ca wrote:
The idea
Hi All
We have been experiencing some performace issues with our DB queries that
we have narrowed down to the limitClause applied to sql queries. It seems
that out of the box MySQL uses no indexes when supplied with a LIMIT clause.
Taking this into consideration we were wondering if anything
did you check to make sure your database is using the index fetch plan you
expect?
I recall with MySQL sometimes indexes would fail but there would be no
indication until I actually reviewed the fetch internals…
something chuck would know off the top of his head I’m sure…
On Mar 7, 2014,
I just became a community member. If you're not, become one. CA$50 isn't bad -
I had thought it was much more.
Next year I'll sponsor if I can't make the conference.
(http://store.wocommunity.org/collections/membership)
kib
The era of procrastination, of half-measures, of soothing and
I'll gladly pay $200 a year to keep that going is there seven other people with
me?
Aloha,
Johnny
On Mar 7, 2014, at 2:26 AM, Pascal Robert prob...@macti.ca wrote:
Le 2014-03-07 à 00:04, Paul Hoadley pa...@logicsquad.net a écrit :
Hi Pascal,
On 07/03/2014, at 12:34 PM, Pascal
I'm not sure about fetch plans, all i know at the moment is if i remove the
LIMIT query i get millisecond performance on my query but if i include a
LIMIT clause i get a full table scan.
On 7 March 2014 17:15, Jesse Tayler jtay...@oeinc.com wrote:
did you check to make sure your database is
hmmm…
I’m thinking that’s the trouble I’m referring to.
Do you know how to view your query plan in mysql?
often these query plans check the index, decide it’s faulty and then fallback
to scan the whole table.
of course, no idea what you’re working on, but I know I’ve run into that before
This might be unrelated, but we experience an issue where our apps would
periodically freeze. From memory, LIMIT might have been a factor.
It was solved by upgrading the mysql-connector-java jar from 3.1.8 to 5.1.16
By examining the state of the hung instance, we saw that the mysql connector
On Mar 7, 2014, at 10:20 AM, Robin Smith robin.sm...@clicktravel.com wrote:
I'm not sure about fetch plans, all i know at the moment is if i remove the
LIMIT query i get millisecond performance on my query but if i include a
LIMIT clause i get a full table scan.
You can log the query WO
If the resources that we use is not worth $350 annual sponsorship then what are
we doing here?
For some of you that is what two hour of consulting income?
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On Mar 7, 2014, at 12:31 PM, Johnny Miller jlmil...@kahalawai.com wrote:
I'll
Sure, especially if it includes the WOWODC webcasts. REALLY wish I could
attend this year, but the week was just wrong for me.
Am going to Fluent conference, and will be getting the firehose on all the new
great stuff out there, so should be interesting. Here's the pre-reqs they just
sent
Paul,
Easily worth $350 - but not sure what you’re saying… I think Johnny was just
adding on top of it to handle the hosting (I could be wrong).
Everyone -
I love Pascal - he has made a huge contribution to our little group here.
Sure, it’s small - it will always be, but I’m training new
Hi,
I am installing our app on a Windows server for our client, I thought I had it
working, but when I started to use it a little more heavily Apache keeps
crashing.
(btw, I really don't like windows, cygwin makes it almost bearable)
The config is:
Windows 2003 Server (R2) SP2
Apache2.4.6 (32
Is there a WO Community web badge for members? If not I can make one.
kib
Klaus Berkling
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At $50 a person we need 32 to pay the $1600 hosting fees. At $200 we need 8.
Personally, I’d prefer to see more people pitch in rather than fewer.
As for Canadians, we have a brace of Davids: Holt, Aspinall, LeBer, my self,
Steve Smith, Louis Demers, Jean Francois Vieillet (Spelled that
I don’t recall one.
On 2014-03-07, 11:14 AM, Klaus Berkling wrote:
Is there a WO Community web badge for members? If not I can make one.
kib
Klaus Berkling
www.berkling.ushttp://www.berkling.us | @kiberkli | Buy My iPhone
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Hi Daniel,
Can you tell us how Entity Framework measures up to EOF? Is it better in some
areas? Is it missing features in other areas?
Thanks,
Chuck
On 2014-03-07, 7:22 AM, Daniel Mejia wrote:
Hi all,
I would like to share my experience with WO.
We have developed many systems with WO,
Hi Paul,
I thought Robert was starting to pass around the hat so I thought I would
jump in and contribute. I guess I'm out of the loop on the $350 annual
membership but gladly will pay that too (I know I've purchased memberships
before not sure if that makes me paid up or not).
Aloha,
Johnny
I recall that I paid for the $350 membership/sponsorship?
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On Mar 7, 2014, at 2:15 PM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net wrote:
At $50 a person we need 32 to pay the $1600 hosting fees. At $200 we need 8.
Personally, I’d prefer to see
I was just dividing up the yearly cost not pricing existing memberships.
On 2014-03-07, 11:22 AM, Paul Yu wrote:
I recall that I paid for the $350 membership/sponsorship?
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On Mar 7, 2014, at 2:15 PM, Chuck Hill
I tried to get my technology office here at UCLA to purchase a membership but
found it had to go through a central processing thing. I’ll push harder - I
will surely contribute time and money to keep us all happy.
Tim
UCLA GSEIS
On Mar 7, 2014, at 11:22 AM, Paul Yu p...@mac.com wrote:
I
You the best Tim!
On Mar 7, 2014, at 3:24 PM, Timothy Worman li...@thetimmy.com wrote:
I tried to get my technology office here at UCLA to purchase a membership but
found it had to go through a central processing thing. I’ll push harder - I
will surely contribute time and money to keep us
On Mar 7, 2014, at 8:18 AM, Aaron Rosenzweig aa...@chatnbike.com wrote:
… even beyond the beginning of WO to find the truth.
A guess that would fit the result better than any I know would have been SimDBM
written for the Dec-10 in Simula 67 around the year 1974 at the Swedish
National
Hi all.
It is sad to hear the despondency permeating through the email list today.
I think many of us have achieved so much with this technology stack, solutions
that would be much more difficult with other technologies.
I think Apple is missing a trick here. Perhaps I am naive but isn’t
Please please please... Someone went as far as asking for support by talking to
an Apple Senior VP, and the answer was: NO! Stop thinking that Apple will help
us after 5 years without any help from Apple. They even stopped contributing to
Wonder 3 years ago.
Envoyé de mon iPhone
Le
Sure Chuck,
First of all, after version 6 Entity Framework is an open source project. You
can find the source code in http://entityframework.codeplex.com
The first time when I learn EF I thought that they based the development on
EOF.
As with EOF you have many connector for different Data
Hi Pascal,
On 07/03/2014, at 10:56 PM, Pascal Robert prob...@macti.ca wrote:
Could you be a bit more specific about what's at risk here? There are a
number of resources (e.g., Jenkins build server, API documentation,
Confluence) that I am sure any number of businesses still tied to
Am I right or what? WO is an elite “gentleman’s club” There are those “in the
circle” and those outside.
If Mark wants to send a note of praise to someone, why not? Even if it is Tim
Cook. Will anything bad come of that? It may fall on deaf ears but that’s ok.
Mark, I’m glad you love WO.
Le 2014-03-07 à 18:25, Paul Hoadley pa...@logicsquad.net a écrit :
Hi Pascal,
On 07/03/2014, at 10:56 PM, Pascal Robert prob...@macti.ca wrote:
Could you be a bit more specific about what's at risk here? There are a
number of resources (e.g., Jenkins build server, API documentation,
Le 2014-03-07 à 19:21, Aaron Rosenzweig aa...@chatnbike.com a écrit :
Am I right or what? WO is an elite “gentleman’s club” There are those “in the
circle” and those outside.
For the record, I’m not the one who contacted a senior VP.
If Mark wants to send a note of praise to someone, why
On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 09:50:01 -0600
James Cicenia ja...@jimijon.com wrote:
Yep. WO is dead.
I was thinking of starting learning Ruby. I love Objective-C and
iPhone development. And now was thinking about Node or Ruby for the
back end. Thoughts?
snip
WebObjects as a brand has been DOA for
Interesting issue/discussion.
On the one hand, WO does not have the potential critical sales mass to warrant
selling it as a supported product.
On the other hand, WO has so much strategic value that Apple can't afford to
release it into the wild ?
WTF.
I know some economists who
Le 2014-03-07 à 19:57, Joel M. Benisch jo...@paperfree.net a écrit :
Interesting issue/discussion.
On the one hand, WO does not have the potential critical sales mass to
warrant selling it as a supported product.
On the other hand, WO has so much strategic value that Apple can't
On 2014-03-07, 4:57 PM, Joel M. Benisch wrote:
Interesting issue/discussion.
On the one hand, WO does not have the potential critical sales mass to warrant
selling it as a supported product.
On the other hand, WO has so much strategic value that Apple can't afford to
release it into the
On 2014-03-07, 4:51 PM, Ray Kiddy wrote:
On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 09:50:01 -0600
James Cicenia ja...@jimijon.commailto:ja...@jimijon.com wrote:
Yep. WO is dead.
I was thinking of starting learning Ruby. I love Objective-C and
iPhone development. And now was thinking about Node or Ruby for the
back
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Em 07/03/2014, às 22:12, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net escreveu:
On 2014-03-07, 4:51 PM, Ray Kiddy wrote:
On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 09:50:01 -0600
James Cicenia ja...@jimijon.com wrote:
Yep. WO is dead.
I was thinking of starting learning Ruby. I love
Em 07/03/2014, às 21:46, Pascal Robert prob...@macti.ca escreveu:
Le 2014-03-07 à 19:21, Aaron Rosenzweig aa...@chatnbike.com a écrit :
Am I right or what? WO is an elite “gentleman’s club” There are those “in
the circle” and those outside.
For the record, I’m not the one who
I know you guys are right and I loathe to involve myself in this discussion
but here goes nothing...
Does Apple make a lot of money selling XCode? It seems to me that WO is
another tool that Apple could support that enables developers to make great
applications for their platform. After all,
Envoyé de mon iPhone
Le 2014-03-07 à 21:05, Jonathan Miller jlmil...@kahalawai.com a écrit :
I know you guys are right and I loathe to involve myself in this discussion
but here goes nothing...
Does Apple make a lot of money selling XCode?
They make money by selling laptops to
It's all about iPhone and iPad sales and one of the things that makes
Apple's devices the best is the quantity and quality of the applications in
the platform. And the application server is an essential component to many
iOS and Mac applications with the prime example being iTunes.
On Fri, Mar
Like Chuck, Apple got out of that business (real server software, XServe, WO).
If they are going to offer something on the server-side, it will probably be a
Apple-hosted solution that they will control.
Envoyé de mon iPhone
Le 2014-03-07 à 21:31, Jonathan Miller jlmil...@kahalawai.com a
Sounds great to me! Here is your laptop, dev tools and apple hosted OS X VM.
Well one can dream.
Have a nice weekend!
On Mar 7, 2014, at 4:34 PM, Pascal Robert prob...@macti.ca wrote:
Like Chuck, Apple got out of that business (real server software, XServe,
WO). If they are going to
Unlike iOS and OS X, Apple does not own the server platform. Communication is
via standard protocols. And Apple is no longer in the server market. Bringing
back WO as a product is NOT going to sell more iPhones. It is NOT going to
make more money for Apple. Making a really good SDK and
Does that make Google dumb?
https://cloud.google.com/developers/articles/how-to-build-mobile-app-with-app-engine-backend-tutorial
Sent from my iPad
On Mar 7, 2014, at 6:06 PM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net wrote:
Unlike iOS and OS X, Apple does not own the server platform.
I can put it more succinctly than Chuck by saying that Chuck seems to me to
have this right, front-to-back.
Three comments:
1. There was a time when WebObjects fit Apple's business model as did, e.g.,
the Xserve product. That model changed, a lot, many years ago now.
2. I don't think the
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