Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-08 Thread Markus Krötzsch
Hi, On 08.05.2015 09:40, Stas Malyshev wrote: Hi! Other technical solutions can be found for keeping content apart when needed (e.g., separate dumps by entity types). It's not only dumps, it's also searches, APIs, special pages, etc. Of course, everything can be solved with enough time and

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-08 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 08.05.2015 08:50, Lydia Pintscher wrote: On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 7:15 AM, Stas Malyshev smalys...@wikimedia.org wrote: I am worried that having two different data sets within the same instance would be a problem for tools working with the data, and for humans too. And frankly, I don't see too

Re: [Wikidata-l] Last Call for Papers/Posters: IEEE Technically Sponsored SAI Intelligent Systems Conference (IntelliSys 2015)

2015-05-08 Thread Markus Krötzsch
Spam. The address Dear Colleague sent to this mailing list is giving it away, I know, but for less obvious cases, a good general guideline is to avoid research conferences that ask you to pay for each paper you publish there. Legit research events decouple paper selection from financial

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-08 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 08.05.2015 11:30, Thomas Douillard wrote: I don't get this, is this really a technical issue or just an interface one ? It can be pretty clear to users that the semantic entity pages are very different from lexical entities in the same instance just by tweaking the UI. Or with separate

Re: [Wikidata-l] Making queries on Wikibase

2015-04-30 Thread Markus Krötzsch
mixte de service (UMS) 3554 20 rue Duquesne CS 93837 29238 Brest cedex 3 tel : +33 (0)2 98 01 68 95 fax : +33 (0)2 98 01 63 93 Le 29/04/2015 21:44, Markus Krötzsch a écrit : On 29.04.2015 20:56, Luca Martinelli wrote: Dear all, I need to know about the possibility of making queries on a Wikibase

Re: [Wikidata-l] Number of planets in the solar system

2015-04-29 Thread Markus Krötzsch
are naturally a good way to deal with definitions. 2015-04-29 19:35 GMT+02:00 Markus Krötzsch mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org mailto:mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org: Hi, General case first: Many statements depend on time and have an end date (e.g., population numbers). The general

Re: [Wikidata-l] Making queries on Wikibase

2015-04-29 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 29.04.2015 20:56, Luca Martinelli wrote: Dear all, I need to know about the possibility of making queries on a Wikibase instance. I think it is possible to make queries on data on a particular instance only with external tools at the moment, right? Yes, this is correct. The SPARQL query

Re: [Wikidata-l] Number of planets in the solar system

2015-04-29 Thread Markus Krötzsch
Hi, General case first: Many statements depend on time and have an end date (e.g., population numbers). The general approach there is to (1) have a qualifier that clarifies the restricted temporal validity and (2) make the current statement preferred. So your idea with the ranks was a good

Re: [Wikidata-l] novalue in qualifiers or references

2015-04-26 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 26.04.2015 22:16, Gerard Meijssen wrote: Hoi, I regularly query for for instance claim[31] ie any instance of whatever... I would also query for the existence of a date of death in a similar way. for me a claim with a whatever it is that says that there is no value would be a positive result

Re: [Wikidata-l] novalue in qualifiers or references

2015-04-26 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 26.04.2015 22:28, Gerard Meijssen wrote: Hoi, It is a matter of perspective. From my perspective a value exists or not. Depending on that I may want to process. When you state novalue there is a value of novalue and that is not the same as there not being a value in the first place. Ah, I

Re: [Wikidata-l] novalue in qualifiers or references

2015-04-26 Thread Markus Krötzsch
Quick reply to Denny and Gerard: @Denny: I think it makes sense to treat qualifiers under a closed-world semantics. That is: what is not there can safely be assumed to be false. In this I agree with Gerard. OTOH, I don't think it hurts very much to add them anyway. @Gerard: Please note that

Re: [Wikidata-l] items about data model concepts

2015-04-23 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 23.04.2015 12:25, Thomas Douillard wrote: This is a question of point of vue and how to solves conflicted declaration, way larger than this. There could be disputes other who is really the father of something, this would be the same. such a statement in Wikidata means: * This source says

Re: [Wikidata-l] Auto-transliteration of names of humans

2015-04-22 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 22.04.2015 22:10, Stas Malyshev wrote: Hi! ... While letters like ч and щ can indeed generate some long combinations which are not very visually appealing, Tell me about it! -- M. Kroetzsch ___ Wikidata-l mailing list

Re: [Wikidata-l] World's largest cities with a female mayor :-)

2015-04-21 Thread Markus Krötzsch
, so the query will have to change accordingly in the future. Markus On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Markus Krötzsch mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org mailto:mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org wrote: On 20.04.2015 23:47, Daniel Kinzler wrote: Something seems to be wrong with the order

Re: [Wikidata-l] World's largest cities with a female mayor :-)

2015-04-21 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 21.04.2015 11:27, Daniel Kinzler wrote: Am 21.04.2015 um 00:50 schrieb Markus Krötzsch: On 20.04.2015 23:47, Daniel Kinzler wrote: Something seems to be wrong with the order, though. Munich (pop 1m in all statements) is listed way after Chemnitz (pop 300k in all statements). Any idea why

Re: [Wikidata-l] World's largest cities with a female mayor :-)

2015-04-20 Thread Markus Krötzsch
? They should be xsd:decimal... They are. Markus Am 20.04.2015 um 22:18 schrieb Markus Krötzsch: Hi all, For many years, Denny and I have been giving talks about why we need to improve the data management in Wikipedia. To explain and motivate this, we have often asked the simple question: What

Re: [Wikidata-l] World's largest cities with a female mayor :-)

2015-04-20 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 20.04.2015 22:29, Nicola Vitucci wrote: ... I hope this is inspiring to some of you. One could also look for the world's youngest or oldest current mayors with similar queries, for example. Markus, this is really cool! Can I reuse it as an example on WikiSPARQL? :-) Yes, of course.

Re: [Wikidata-l] World's largest cities with a female mayor :-)

2015-04-20 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 20.04.2015 22:51, Stas Malyshev wrote: Hi! is as follows (with some explaining comments inline): This is very nice, thanks! Will use this as a test case for the query engine (btw yes it works on my test machine just fine :). more than one match per city then, even with DISTINCT).

[Wikidata-l] World's largest cities with a female mayor :-)

2015-04-20 Thread Markus Krötzsch
Hi all, For many years, Denny and I have been giving talks about why we need to improve the data management in Wikipedia. To explain and motivate this, we have often asked the simple question: What are the world's largest cities with a female mayor? The information to answer this is clearly

Re: [Wikidata-l] World's largest cities with a female mayor :-)

2015-04-20 Thread Markus Krötzsch
rdfs:label ?label . FILTER ( LANG(?label) = en ) } } GROUP BY ?country ?label ORDER BY DESC(?count) There seems to be a great imbalance here, which could indicate some bias/incompleteness of our data -- or, possibly, of the world. Cheers, Markus On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 1:18 PM Markus Krötzsch

Re: [Wikidata-l] querying wikidata for an unknown relationship between two items

2015-04-20 Thread Markus Krötzsch
Hi Matthew, You can use our experimental SPARQL endpoint http://milenio.dcc.uchile.cl/sparql. It has direct relations for all statements that have no qualifiers, and two-step relations for all statements (with or without qualifiers), which are a bit more complex but give you more power over

Re: [Wikidata-l] Interlanguage links using Wikidata Toolkit

2015-04-17 Thread Markus Krötzsch
Hi Alan, The SitelinksExample shows how to get the basic language-links data. In Wikidata, sites are encoded by IDs such as enwiki or frwikivoyage. To find out what they mean in terms of URLs, you need to get the interlanguage information first. The example shows you how to do this. The

Re: [Wikidata-l] Preliminary SPARQL endpoint for Wikidata

2015-04-09 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 09.04.2015 01:11, Nicola Vitucci wrote: ... Indeed. I made this temporary change on WikiSPARQL, so that links like in Jean-Baptiste's examples may work properly. If you try this: http://wikisparql.org/sparql?query=DESCRIBE+%3Chttp%3A//www.wikidata.org/entity/Q18335803%3E and then click on

Re: [Wikidata-l] Preliminary SPARQL endpoint for Wikidata

2015-04-09 Thread Markus Krötzsch
testing, but if your main interest is in the UI and not the backend, this might be a nice cooperation. Cheers, Markus On 09.04.2015 22:16, Markus Krötzsch wrote: On 09.04.2015 01:11, Nicola Vitucci wrote: ... Indeed. I made this temporary change on WikiSPARQL, so that links like in Jean

Re: [Wikidata-l] Preliminary SPARQL endpoint for Wikidata

2015-04-08 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 08.04.2015 17:24, Nicola Vitucci wrote: Il 08/04/2015 16:36, Markus Krötzsch ha scritto: On 08.04.2015 15:07, Nicola Vitucci wrote: Hi Markus, would you recommend to add some sort of patch until the new dumps are out, either in the data (by adding some triples to a temporary graph) or just

Re: [Wikidata-l] Preliminary SPARQL endpoint for Wikidata

2015-04-08 Thread Markus Krötzsch
Hi Jean-Baptiste, Your observation is correct. This is because a single Wikidata statement (with one Wikidata property) does not translate into a single triple (with one RDF property) in RDF. Rather, several RDF triples are used, they need to use more than one property, and these properties

Re: [Wikidata-l] Preliminary SPARQL endpoint for Wikidata

2015-04-08 Thread Markus Krötzsch
first, e.g., ranks in RDF). Cheers Markus Cheers, Nicola (wikisparql.org) Il 08/04/2015 14:49, Markus Krötzsch ha scritto: Hi Jean-Baptiste, Your observation is correct. This is because a single Wikidata statement (with one Wikidata property) does not translate into a single triple

Re: [Wikidata-l] Preliminary SPARQL endpoint for Wikidata

2015-04-08 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 08.04.2015 16:02, Jean-Baptiste Pressac wrote: Thank you, I will have a look to your publication to have a better understanding of the mecanism of RDFisation. Are you also going to solve the problem with the links to the wikidata ontology ? For instance on this page

Re: [Wikidata-l] OWL based ontologies as basis for Wikidata item interactions and property proposal

2015-04-06 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 06.04.2015 22:02, Markus Krötzsch wrote: Dear Sebastian, Using OWL is surely a nice idea when the semantics is appropriate (i.e., where you want Open-World entailment, not constraints) and here the Possibly misleading typo: I meant where, not here ;-) -- Markus expressiveness is enough

Re: [Wikidata-l] OWL based ontologies as basis for Wikidata item interactions and property proposal

2015-04-06 Thread Markus Krötzsch
Dear Sebastian, Using OWL is surely a nice idea when the semantics is appropriate (i.e., where you want Open-World entailment, not constraints) and here the expressiveness is enough. This is much more difficult, however, than one might at first think it is. For a simple example, the common

Re: [Wikidata-l] OWL based ontologies as basis for Wikidata item interactions and property proposal

2015-04-06 Thread Markus Krötzsch
and effective model for the community to build upon. -Ben On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 1:03 PM, Markus Krötzsch mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org mailto:mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org wrote: On 06.04.2015 22:02, Markus Krötzsch wrote: Dear Sebastian, Using OWL is surely a nice idea when

Re: [Wikidata-l] External identifiers vs. Wikidata-internal links data

2015-04-04 Thread Markus Krötzsch
Hi Erik, hi all, Aren't those properties already distinguished by the classification statements we now have on property pages? For example: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P214 Defines the VIAF id to be a unique identifier (yes, this is somewhat questionable modelling, since a

Re: [Wikidata-l] Preliminary SPARQL endpoint for Wikidata

2015-03-23 Thread Markus Krötzsch
Brilliant, we should set up a page with a list of SPARQL endpoits for Wikidata! For production usage, it is great to have a variety to chose from. ==WARNING== The RDF format is currently in flux. The purpose of the Chilean endpoint http://milenio.dcc.uchile.cl/sparql is to gather feedback

Re: [Wikidata-l] Classes of things in Wikidata (Was: OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses)

2015-03-12 Thread Markus Krötzsch
). Markus On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 2:09 PM Markus Krötzsch mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org mailto:mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org wrote: Hi Andrew, This is a great idea! It would help data consumers to know what to expect and community members to know what to put in (or where help

Re: [Wikidata-l] Names, Aliases, Copyright (and a little OpenStreetMap)

2015-03-12 Thread Markus Krötzsch
Hi Serge, The short answer to this is that the purpose of aliases in Wikidata is to help searching for items, and nothing more. Aliases may include nicknames that are in no way official, and abbreviations that are not valid if used in another context. Therefore, they seem to be a poor source

Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses

2015-03-11 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 11.03.2015 05:40, Tom Morris wrote: On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Markus Krötzsch mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org mailto:mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org wrote: For example, you can see that Portugal has a lot of lighthouses while Spain has almost none -- maybe we need to look at our

Re: [Wikidata-l] Names, Aliases, Copyright (and a little OpenStreetMap)

2015-03-10 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 10.03.2015 17:09, Daniel Kinzler wrote: Am 10.03.2015 um 16:55 schrieb Markus Krötzsch: Hi Serge, The short answer to this is that the purpose of aliases in Wikidata is to help searching for items, and nothing more. Aliases may include nicknames that are in no way official

Re: [Wikidata-l] Query generator spreadsheet

2015-03-09 Thread Markus Krötzsch
Awesome work :-). I love your use of Google Docs as a UI prototyping tool. We could really use a few more special-purpose querying tools. Markus On 09.03.2015 22:03, Navino Evans wrote: Hi all, We've been using WDQ queries a lot recently to update timelines in the Histropedia directory and,

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata read API etiquette

2015-03-09 Thread Markus Krötzsch
Thanks Maartens for the info. On 08.03.2015 02:03, Jeroen De Dauw wrote: Hey, And to answer your second question: Maximum number of values is 50 (500 for bots) (from https://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php?action=helpmodules=wbgetentities) That seems a bit much to me. Considering an entity can

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata read API etiquette

2015-03-07 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 07.03.2015 16:39, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Etiquette is probably the best/reference document here... Thanks, this answers my first question (no worries about request rate as long as requests are serialized). Markus

Re: [Wikidata-l] Kian: The first neural network to serve Wikidata

2015-03-07 Thread Markus Krötzsch
Hi Amir, In spite of all due enthusiasm, please evaluate your results (with humans!) before making automated edits. In fact, I would contradict Magnus here and say that such an approach would best be suited to provide meaningful (pre-filtered) *input* to people who play a Wikidata game,

Re: [Wikidata-l] Kian: The first neural network to serve Wikidata

2015-03-07 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 07.03.2015 18:21, Magnus Manske wrote: Congratulations for this bold step towards the Singularity :-) Lol. The word neural in the name of the algorithm is infinitely more attractive and inspiring than something abstract like Support Vector Machine, isn't it? -- although we know that both

[Wikidata-l] Wikidata read API etiquette

2015-03-07 Thread Markus Krötzsch
Hi, Quick question about the wbgetentities API: are there any general rules that clients should obey when making requests? * Maximal hit rate? * How many entities can you actually get in one request? Is this documented anywhere? Is it possible for a tool to find this number or is it just

Re: [Wikidata-l] Broken JSON in XML dumps

2015-02-27 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 27.02.2015 17:47, Lydia Pintscher wrote: On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 2:52 PM, Markus Kroetzsch markus.kroetz...@tu-dresden.de wrote: Hi, It's that time of the year again when I am sending a reminder that we still have broken JSON in the dump files ;-). As usual, the problem is that empty maps

Re: [Wikidata-l] Call for development openness

2015-02-19 Thread Markus Krötzsch
Hi Paul, Re RDF*/SPARQL*: could you send a link? Someone has really made an effort to find the least googleable terminology here ;-) Re relying on standards: I think this argument is missing the point. If you look at what developers in Wikidata are concerned with, it is +90% interface and

Re: [Wikidata-l] descriptions in mobile app

2015-02-14 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 12.02.2015 07:17, Gerard Meijssen wrote: Hoi, It is pointless to include automated descriptions when they are then saved in a fixed form. The point of automated descriptions is exactly that they change as new statements are made. This is one reason why they are superior to manual

Re: [Wikidata-l] Where did the JSON dumps go?

2015-01-21 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 20.01.2015 23:27, Hydriz Scholz wrote: Hi all, All the Wikidata JSON dumps are available and archived on Archive.org. See this search query [1] for a full list of them. For Labs users, the latest 10 dumps are available at /data/scratch/wikidata. Ah, interesting. I did not know that the

Re: [Wikidata-l] Where did the JSON dumps go?

2015-01-20 Thread Markus Krötzsch
Also, as this seem to be taking longer than expected, I have now also re-published the Jan 12 and Jan 5 JSON dumps on labs now for your convenience: http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-exports/tmp/ Users of Wikidata Toolkit can manually download the file 20150112.json.gz to a subdirectory

[Wikidata-l] Bugs in JSON file

2015-01-20 Thread Markus Krötzsch
Dear Wikidata JSON export team, There seems to be a sytnax error in the 20120112 JSON file that (I think) has already been there in the previous dump. So I guess it makes sense to report it. In line 9374899, around column 2648 of the 20120112 JSON dump, we find snaks:[] Of course, {} would

Re: [Wikidata-l] Bugs in JSON file

2015-01-20 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 20.01.2015 19:20, Jeroen De Dauw wrote: Hey, I seemed to recall this being reported earlier, it being discussed, and a fix being created. Yes. And in spite of your analysis, the problem seems to have almost disappeared after that. It used to be all over the dataset, now it is just in one

[Wikidata-l] Where did the JSON dumps go?

2015-01-19 Thread Markus Krötzsch
Hi (esp. WMF people), The JSON dumps used to be at http://dumps.wikimedia.org/other/wikidata/ Now this directory is empty. Any hints at what is going on? Cheers, Markus ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata-Toolkit NullPointerException

2015-01-18 Thread Markus Krötzsch
The issue was fixed in master now. I also added some more INFO-type messages that will report about the dump files found online and locally. Cheers, Markus On 18.01.2015 14:26, Markus Krötzsch wrote: On 18.01.2015 10:58, Egon Willighagen wrote: On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 11:04 PM, Markus

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata-Toolkit NullPointerException

2015-01-18 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 18.01.2015 10:58, Egon Willighagen wrote: On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 11:04 PM, Markus Krötzsch mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org wrote: It is easy to fix this (though I will not fix it tonight, but tomorrow) by just adjusting the HTML strings we parse for. Sure! I have subscribed to the bug

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata-Toolkit NullPointerException

2015-01-17 Thread Markus Krötzsch
Hi Egon, WDTK 0.3.0 is rather old and we are about to prepare a new release (there are other issues with 0.3.0: the JSON format has changed since its release and it won't read the files anyway). Could you try if the problem occurs with the current development code at github? Cheers, Markus

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata-Toolkit NullPointerException

2015-01-17 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 17.01.2015 22:43, Egon Willighagen wrote: This last test from the cmd line is already with master from GitHub... Thanks, we will investigate. I created a bug report at https://github.com/Wikidata/Wikidata-Toolkit/issues/114 Markus Egon On 17 Jan 2015 22:40, Markus Krötzsch mar

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata-Toolkit NullPointerException

2015-01-17 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 17 Jan 2015 22:50, Markus Krötzsch mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org mailto:mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org wrote: On 17.01.2015 22:43, Egon Willighagen wrote: This last test from the cmd line is already with master from GitHub... Thanks, we will investigate. I created a bug

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata-Toolkit NullPointerException

2015-01-17 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 17.01.2015 23:04, Markus Krötzsch wrote: ... Question to the MW folks: Is there any machine-readable API to get the list of available dump files? I mean: WMF folks, of course -- Markus ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikidata-l] Freebase's incompatible types and Property description permissions

2015-01-12 Thread Markus Krötzsch
+1 to this. While property re-use is desirable in general, we need to make some basic distinctions. The realm of geographic relations (a special kind of part-whole relations) is particularly clear and specific, and it would be worthwhile to distinguish them from more vague notions of

Re: [Wikidata-l] Precision of globe coordinates

2015-01-12 Thread Markus Krötzsch
, apply the same default for invalid values, and change all of its coordinate data to floating point numbers (currently using long as fixed precision decimal numbers). Cheers, Markus On 11.01.2015 02:15, Markus Krötzsch wrote: Hi, Does anybody know the current documentation of the precision

Re: [Wikidata-l] Precision of globe coordinates

2015-01-11 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 11.01.2015 14:53, Maarten Dammers wrote: Hi Markus, Markus Krötzsch schreef op 11-1-2015 om 2:15: Hi, Does anybody know the current documentation of the precision of the globe coordinate datatype? This precision was introduced after the original datamodel discussions. No clue, I do know

Re: [Wikidata-l] weekly summary #140

2015-01-11 Thread Markus Krötzsch
Hey Lydia, * We just crossed 14000 active users (over the last month). Thank you all! Could you clarify? http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikispecial/EN/TablesWikipediaWIKIDATA.htm shows around 5k active users (=users with 5 edits) each month, but more than 18K users with an edit in November

Re: [Wikidata-l] weekly summary #140

2015-01-11 Thread Markus Krötzsch
show contributor numbers below 14k for all months up to Nov 2014. Overall, the two counts seem to agree though :-) Markus Andrew. On 11 January 2015 at 22:35, Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de wrote: On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 11:31 PM, Markus Krötzsch mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org

[Wikidata-l] Precision of globe coordinates

2015-01-10 Thread Markus Krötzsch
Hi, Does anybody know the current documentation of the precision of the globe coordinate datatype? This precision was introduced after the original datamodel discussions. I used to believe that it was a rough, informal indication of a precision based on an (easy-to-process but necessarily

Re: [Wikidata-l] Disambiguating property [was: Freebase like API with an OUTPUT feature}

2015-01-09 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 09.01.2015 19:43, Joe Filceolaire wrote: There is a proposal to create a 'subproperty of' property but it is on hold until we can have a property as a datatype Yes, that's also important. But I was talking aobut a property that would be used to establish a subpropertyOf relation between a

[Wikidata-l] Relating Wikidata entities to external URIs (was: Disambiguating property ...)

2015-01-09 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 09.01.2015 17:25, Thad Guidry wrote: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P279 aka the superclass ... seems to have an equivalent property that refers to http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#subClassOf ??? Basically yes, this was the informal design intention when the community

Re: [Wikidata-l] Freebase's incompatible types and Property description permissions

2015-01-08 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 09.01.2015 00:53, Lydia Pintscher wrote: ... I like the property-centric approach of wikidata, but is there a notion of subproperties for contextual refinement? I only found this: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1647 Yes that is all there is. For a usage example see

Re: [Wikidata-l] Freebase's incompatible types and Property description permissions

2015-01-08 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 08.01.2015 22:52, Peter F. Patel-Schneider wrote: What then is P17 supposed to be used for? Could, I, for example, use P17 on the address of the Swiss embassy in Germany and have Switzerland as the value? associated is generally too weak a word to use in describing properties. We have to

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata CACM article (Was: Conflict of Interest policy for Wikidata)

2015-01-08 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 08.01.2015 18:38, Denny Vrandečić wrote: Yes, CC-BY is great. Good. I have officially released the article text under this license now: https://korrekt.org/page/Wikidata:_A_Free_Collaborative_Knowledgebase Cheers, Markus On Thu Jan 08 2015 at 7:01:12 AM Markus Krötzsch mar...@semantic

[Wikidata-l] Wikidata CACM article (Was: Conflict of Interest policy for Wikidata)

2015-01-08 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 08.01.2015 15:10, ja...@j1w.xyz wrote: Prior to viewing Markus Krötzsch's Wikidata page, I was unaware of the Wikidata: A Free Collaborative Knowledgebase article [1] written by Denny Vrandečić and Markus Krötzsch. This is a very helpful article that in my opinion should be featured

Re: [Wikidata-l] Freebase's incompatible types and Property description permissions

2015-01-08 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 08.01.2015 21:29, Thad Guidry wrote: Hi Marcus! Yes, you and I are on the same page. I do indeed get this impression ;-) Yes, I know about the Property-first view of WIkidata. No quibbles. But there is still an issue with Assumptions for Country P17 being used for an instance of

Re: [Wikidata-l] Freebase's incompatible types and Property description permissions

2015-01-08 Thread Markus Krötzsch
Dear Thad, The second part of your email has good points in it, too. As you say, one must allow for adjustments in the intended meaning of a property in real life, and adjusting too much could be dangerous. The method you suggest (creating a new property and deprecating the old one, rather

Re: [Wikidata-l] Freebase's incompatible types and Property description permissions

2015-01-08 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 08.01.2015 20:37, Thad Guidry wrote: ... Right, Freebase would not stick a Property called Country right on an instance of a Music Band. We would put Country under the Musical Group type, and give it a better definition like The nation or territory that this item originated from.

Re: [Wikidata-l] Conflict of Interest policy for Wikidata

2015-01-07 Thread Markus Krötzsch
Back to Denny's original question: Does anybody see a specific danger of abuse if living people get to edit their own data right now? Entering wrong claims deliberately would maybe not be the biggest issue here (since it is already in conflict with other general policies -- we do not want

Re: [Wikidata-l] Conflict of Interest policy for Wikidata

2015-01-07 Thread Markus Krötzsch
on should point to Wikidata or to Wikimedia or something else. But besides this minor point this seems to be a nice way to have COI declarations in the data (would also be interesting to know which living people have official Wikimedia accounts). Cheers, Markus On 07.01.2015 15:25, Markus Krötzsch

Re: [Wikidata-l] Conflict of Interest policy for Wikidata

2015-01-07 Thread Markus Krötzsch
P.S. I also should declare a COI on this discussion: I am Q18618630. -- Markus On 07.01.2015 15:25, Markus Krötzsch wrote: Back to Denny's original question: Does anybody see a specific danger of abuse if living people get to edit their own data right now? Entering wrong claims deliberately

Re: [Wikidata-l] Another birthday gift: SPARQL queries in the browser over Wikidata RDF dumps using Linked Data Fragments

2014-11-05 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 04.11.2014 18:18, Cristian Consonni wrote: Hi Markus, 2014-11-01 0:29 GMT+01:00 Markus Krötzsch mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org: Nice. We are running the RDF generation on a shared cloud environment and I am not sure we can really use a lot of RAM there. Do you have any guess how much RAM you

Re: [Wikidata-l] Another birthday gift: SPARQL queries in the browser over Wikidata RDF dumps using Linked Data Fragments

2014-10-31 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 31.10.2014 14:51, Cristian Consonni wrote: 2014-10-30 22:40 GMT+01:00 Cristian Consonni kikkocrist...@gmail.com: Ok, now I have managed to add the Wikidata statements dump too. And I have added a wikidata.hdt combined dump of all of the above. Nice. We are running the RDF generation on

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata RDF

2014-10-30 Thread Markus Krötzsch
curious if there is any formal collaboration (in-place|proposed|possible) between dbpedia and wikidata? Phil This message optimized for indexing by NSA PRISM On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Markus Krötzsch mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org wrote: Martynas, Denny is right. You could set up

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata RDF

2014-10-30 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 30.10.2014 11:49, Cristian Consonni wrote: 2014-10-29 22:59 GMT+01:00 Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de: Help with this would be awesome and totally welcome. The tracking bug is at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48143 Speaking of totally awesome (aehm :D): * see:

Re: [Wikidata-l] Another birthday gift: SPARQL queries in the browser over Wikidata RDF dumps using Linked Data Fragments

2014-10-30 Thread Markus Krötzsch
Hi Christian, Awesome :-) Small note: I just got a Bad Gateway when trying http://data.wikidataldf.com/ but it now seems to work. It also seems that some of your post answers the question from my previous email. That sounds as if it is pretty hard to create HDT exports (not much surprise

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata RDF

2014-10-29 Thread Markus Krötzsch
Martynas, Denny is right. You could set up a Virtuoso endpoint based on our RDF exports. This would be quite nice to have. That's one important reason why we created the exports, and I really hope we will soon see this happening. We are dealing here with a very large project, and the

Re: [Wikidata-l] Content negotiation for Wikidata entity export in RDF/N-Triple

2014-10-10 Thread Markus Krötzsch
Hi Cristian, As Daniel said, the live export is currently somewhat limited. However, we provide RDF dumps that contain all the data: http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-exports/rdf/ This shows how the final live exports should also look (more or less), and it could be a blueprint for somebody

[Wikidata-l] Venue for Wikidata research

2014-10-01 Thread Markus Krötzsch
Dear all: Those of you active in research may be interested in submitting to a recently announced special issue of the Journal of Web Semantics that explicitly refers to Wikidata in its call: JWS Special Issue on Knowledge Graphs

Re: [Wikidata-l] Item both subclass and instance?

2014-09-25 Thread Markus Krötzsch
Hi, I fully agree with Thomas and the other replies given here. Let me give some other views on these topics (partly overlapping with what was said before). It's important to understand these things to get the subclass of/instance of thing right -- and it would be extremely useful if we

Re: [Wikidata-l] policy toward using non-CC0 licensed external databases as reference

2014-09-13 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 13.09.2014 21:25, Jeremy Baron wrote: On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 7:23 PM, Denny Vrandečić vrande...@gmail.com wrote: I am not a lawyer, but if I remember correctly, copyright covers expression, not content. Since the Wikidata data model and its representation in JSON is rather unique, an ISBN

Re: [Wikidata-l] Making a Wikipedia article link to two wikidata items

2014-09-09 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 09.09.2014 11:33, Daniel Kinzler wrote: Am 09.09.2014 01:40, schrieb Denny Vrandečić: Create a third item in Wikidata, and use that for the language links. Any Wikipedia that has two separate articles can link to the separate items, any Wikipedia that has only one article can link to the

Re: [Wikidata-l] Making a Wikipedia article link to two wikidata items

2014-09-09 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 09.09.2014 11:47, Thomas Douillard wrote: The composite item seems to be a sort of composite geographical/human system, like an ecosystem (community of living organisms together with the nonliving components of their environment) https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q37813 a special kind of

[Wikidata-l] Classes and Properties browser update

2014-09-08 Thread Markus Krötzsch
Hi, I just updated the data for the Wikidata classes and properties browser [1] -- was about time -- and added some improvements on the way: (1) Classes and properties are now always ordered by usage (most used first), which was not possible to do before. Examples: ** properties related

Re: [Wikidata-l] Classes and Properties browser update

2014-09-08 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 08.09.2014 14:27, Jeroen De Dauw wrote: Hey, \o/ Where are the source code and issue tracker for this? Probably good if those where linked from the tool. True, but it's not quite in our master branch yet: the code is part of the extended WDTK examples module, see

Re: [Wikidata-l] Classes and Properties browser update

2014-09-08 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 08.09.2014 14:53, Markus Krötzsch wrote: ... http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-exports/miga/#_item=1204 That first shows population. When then clicking on the link, you see the data type is quantity, not string. Yes, I think this is a bug in how we use IRIs and labels for datatypes

Re: [Wikidata-l] Classes and Properties browser update

2014-09-08 Thread Markus Krötzsch
function in the code that I tweaked to adjust this until it seemed right, but there is no deeper principle behind this. Very cool... Thanks :-) Markus -Ben On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Markus Krötzsch mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org mailto:mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org wrote

[Wikidata-l] Wikidata manual text annotation demo

2014-09-08 Thread Markus Krötzsch
Hi all, I'd like to share a little tool with you that has been created at a recent hackathon. Not my work but a nice idea that might inspire others: AnnoT is a manual text annotation tool where you can, while typing text into an HTML form, select Wikidata items for some of the words. You

Re: [Wikidata-l] The new Main page for Wikidata is almost ready to launch

2014-08-22 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 22.08.2014 09:10, Lydia Pintscher wrote: On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 3:35 AM, Legoktm legoktm.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: * I feel uncomfortable linking to Facebook/Twitter/etc. on the main page. Fair enough. How about we make https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Social_media prettier and

Re: [Wikidata-l] Commons Wikibase

2014-08-20 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 19.08.2014 22:23, David Cuenca wrote: ... Actually I have one last question :) At the moment Gerard is using is a list of:value on category item pages which has the effect of being the inverse of instance of. And then he adds further conditions as qualifiers, see:

Re: [Wikidata-l] Announce: WikiProject Structured Data for Commons

2014-08-20 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 19.08.2014 16:13, Lydia Pintscher wrote: On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 11:19 AM, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the stats, Gerard. Two thoughts: - With so many items without description I wonder why we don't have the automatic descriptions gadget enabled by default. I am a bit

[Wikidata-l] A note on instance of:Wikipedia disambiguation page

2014-08-20 Thread Markus Krötzsch
Hi all, We have a lot of statements saying that something is an instance of a Wikipedia disambiguation page (Q4167410). Unfortunately, this kind of information says something about a particular Wikipedia article in a particular language, and often is not true for other languages. Moreover,

Re: [Wikidata-l] Commons Wikibase

2014-08-19 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 19.08.2014 12:20, Gerard Meijssen wrote: Hoi, I cannot parse this .. What Thomas is saying is that classification (putting things into categories) and querying (finding things based on certain properties) can be combined in a natural way. In ontology languages like OWL, you can make

Re: [Wikidata-l] Commons Wikibase

2014-08-19 Thread Markus Krötzsch
I guess (many categories could be expressed by queries to improve results; a gentle, community-led transition will be possible and preferred; categories won't be switched off just because Wikidata is switched on). Cheers, Markus Cheers, Micru On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Markus

Re: [Wikidata-l] Entity names

2014-08-13 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 12.08.2014 23:49, Andre Engels wrote: ... In my opinion, I think manual descriptions should be kept, as opposed to be deleted completely. Instead, automatically generated descriptions should be provided when there is no manual description and people should be asked to override automatically

Re: [Wikidata-l] New initiative to promote friendliness

2014-07-25 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 25/07/14 15:28, David Cuenca wrote: Worried about the harshness that lately has been developing, I have started a new initiative to counter that by promoting more dialogue, civility, and friendliness https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Shelter When you are with friends you don't need to

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