[WikiEducator] Re: MERLOT to promote WikiEducator

2009-11-29 Thread simonfj
Val, Re the logo. I'm not sure if you link to the logo or have o up load it to your member's profile. http://www.merlot.org/merlot/viewMember.htm?id=419049 If it just needs a link then just go up to the wikiedu logo, right click. copy link location and then insert it in the member's box. If you

Re: [WikiEducator] Re: Open philanthropy is the way to go!

2009-11-29 Thread Randy Fisher
Hi Simon & Wayne, As you figure these things out - and you can prime me with the right technical questions to ask the folks at CANAIRIE - http://www.canarie.ca - , I'll be happy to make some enquiries. My good buddy Jamie Rossiter may also have some contacts there that we may wish to contact. (I

Re: [WikiEducator] Re: OER Interoperability

2009-11-29 Thread Jim Tittsler
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 15:13, simonfj wrote: > [...] We need a user name & password, usually issued by single > institution to their version of an app and content = duplicate ad > infinatum. This is something the OER Foundation is addressing > fundamentally. The NZ Ministry of Education is fund

Re: [WikiEducator] Re: Open philanthropy is the way to go!

2009-11-29 Thread Wayne Mackintosh
Hi Simon, The OER Foundation is very receptive to facilitating shared infrastructure. That said, to date we've not had much success with Karen yet in figuring our how WikiEdcuator.nz for example could collaborate and share the local NREN. Obviously synchronous communication tools would be a great

[WikiEducator] Re: Open philanthropy is the way to go!

2009-11-29 Thread simonfj
Congrats guys, Yu really are doing wonderful stuff. Can I bring up this one about the "technology required to make the OER vision a reality". I wish i could talk about the physical infrastructure/distribution meaningfully but this is beyond me. I've set myself up an impossible enough task by atte

Re: Denialism (was Re: [WikiEducator] Phil's Rants)

2009-11-29 Thread Wayne Mackintosh
Hi Edward, I'm pleased that you're not trolling -- a man with your intellect and skill would do a good job. For the record -- I think global warming is a major issue for the planet, and that pseudo scientists can do considerable damage (a.k.a. drug research). That said -- our list has its own un

Re: [WikiEducator] Digest for wikieducator@googlegroups.com - 25 Messages in 3 Topics

2009-11-29 Thread Wayne Mackintosh
Hi Phil, Controversial topics are just that - -controversial. It was a good rant -- what we've come to expect from Phil :-). You're right --- WE need to think, reflect and act on what we as a community of educators will be doing with regards to controversial OER -- I don't know the answers, but

Re: [WikiEducator] Digest for wikieducator@googlegroups.com - 25 Messages in 3 Topics

2009-11-29 Thread Phil Bartle
I was not looking for or expecting such a lively debate on this discussion group when I posted my rant. I was trying to point out that we will touch on controversial topics and asking if we need some sort of a policy within our community. I was happy to see the debate here, but I fear that I was ta

Re: Denialism (was Re: [WikiEducator] Phil's Rants)

2009-11-29 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 13:11, kirby urner wrote: > On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Edward Cherlin wrote: > >>> = Kirby (me) >> = Edward >  = Kirby > Mostly what I say in cocktail parties is I only respect the opinion of > Dutch engineers on the matter of global warming (they're pretty > seriou

Re: Denialism (was Re: [WikiEducator] Phil's Rants)

2009-11-29 Thread kirby urner
On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Edward Cherlin wrote: >> = Kirby (me) > = Edward = Kirby >> The decision tree is clear and you spell it out:  is there a warming >> trend (yes or no) and if yes, are humans responsible to some degree? >> >> I think you and I would say "yes" and "yes". > > There

Re: Denialism (was Re: [WikiEducator] Phil's Rants)

2009-11-29 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 11:44, kirby urner wrote: > On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Edward Cherlin wrote: > > << snip >> > >> Let's hear it then from the rest of you. What are your issues with >> Global Warming science vs. the carbon fuel industry and their >> scientific and political shills an

Re: Denialism (was Re: [WikiEducator] Phil's Rants)

2009-11-29 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 11:27, Jan Visser wrote: > On the other hand, Edward, while you apparently fail to see the connection > between Wayne's two posts, I had no problem seeing how they are related to > each other and the conversation that had been going on. So you could explain the matter to m

Re: Denialism (was Re: [WikiEducator] Phil's Rants)

2009-11-29 Thread kirby urner
On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Edward Cherlin wrote: << snip >> > > Let's hear it then from the rest of you. What are your issues with > Global Warming science vs. the carbon fuel industry and their > scientific and political shills and common or garden variety dupes? > Hey there Ed, nice ch

Re: Denialism (was Re: [WikiEducator] Phil's Rants)

2009-11-29 Thread Edward Cherlin
Again, you have not responded to good faith questions, and you resort to accusation, sort of, almost. I have some experience of being trolled by the competent and the incompetent, and I can assure you that if _I_ wanted to troll this list you wouldn't know I was doing it. ^_^ The best practitioner

Re: Denialism (was Re: [WikiEducator] Phil's Rants)

2009-11-29 Thread Edward Cherlin
You failed to respond to my offered data or any of my previous questions about your understanding of Global Warming, and now you take my offer to assist you as an insult. I take this as evidence (not proof) that your ignorance _is_ willful. You have an opportunity to demonstrate otherwise, by respo

RE: Denialism (was Re: [WikiEducator] Phil's Rants)

2009-11-29 Thread Jan Visser
On the other hand, Edward, while you apparently fail to see the connection between Wayne's two posts, I had no problem seeing how they are related to each other and the conversation that had been going on. While I agree with the points you made in your first post concerning this subject, I f

Re: Denialism (was Re: [WikiEducator] Phil's Rants)

2009-11-29 Thread Wayne Mackintosh
2009/11/30 Edward Cherlin > > I fail to see any connection between what you said, and what you now >> say you meant. Anyway, what assumptions do you assume I am making? >> >> You neither answered nor even acknowledged my question. >> >> "Are you also a global warming denier/"skeptic"? Or just gro

Re: Denialism (was Re: [WikiEducator] Phil's Rants)

2009-11-29 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 02:08, Alex P. Real wrote: > I agree with Nellie that fear to listen may indeed be harmful, same as not > realizing who our audience/readers, etc may be & how our own backgrounds > model perceptions. But silence (understood as refusal to speak) can be > equally pernicious

Re: Denialism (was Re: [WikiEducator] Phil's Rants)

2009-11-29 Thread Steve Foerster
Edward wrote: > Only if you are willfully ignorant, as I propose to demonstrate > to you that you are. Very few people would be inclined to continue a conversation with someone so obnoxious, and frankly, I'm not one of them. The irony here is that I'm not a climate change skeptic. I'm an intell

Re: Denialism (was Re: [WikiEducator] Phil's Rants)

2009-11-29 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 01:08, Wayne Mackintosh wrote: > Edward, > > 2009/11/29 Edward Cherlin wrote: >> >> Wayne, I fear that you don't know what you are talking about. > > My concern relates to assumptions you are making about what members of this > list know or do not know. I fail to see any c

RE: Denialism (was Re: [WikiEducator] Phil's Rants)

2009-11-29 Thread Jan Visser
I seem to be in agreement with all those who take part in this discussion, but on different points. I an earlier post I supported Edward and I still do. Terms like 'deniers' and 'denial' were not invented by Edward. Al Gore used the term in reference to climate change denial and Lawrence Solomo

Re: Denialism (was Re: [WikiEducator] Phil's Rants)

2009-11-29 Thread Steven Parker
noise and the truth is so often >> hidden by melodramatic rhetoric on both sides, > > The noise is entirely on the shrieking deniers' side. Scientists speak > calmly about data, conjectures, evidence, theories, peer review, > experiments, confirmation, refutation, and the l

RE: Denialism (was Re: [WikiEducator] Phil's Rants)

2009-11-29 Thread Alex P. Real
I agree with Nellie that fear to listen may indeed be harmful, same as not realizing who our audience/readers, etc may be & how our own backgrounds model perceptions. But silence (understood as refusal to speak) can be equally pernicious for then unidirectional monologues replace any substantial di

Re: Denialism (was Re: [WikiEducator] Phil's Rants)

2009-11-29 Thread Wayne Mackintosh
Edward, 2009/11/29 Edward Cherlin wrote: > > > Wayne, I fear that you don't know what you are talking about. > My concern relates to assumptions you are making about what members of this list know or do not know. In our WikiEducator community we play the ball -- not the person. We treat people w

Re: Denialism (was Re: [WikiEducator] Phil's Rants)

2009-11-29 Thread Edward Cherlin
ally, let us begin with Senators James Inhofe, R-OK, and Al Gore, formerly D-TN, and look at their rhetorical styles. Start here. http://www.summitdaily.com/article/20091129/LETTER/91128/1078&ParentProfile=1055 When Democratic Sen. Harry Reid announced last week that any vote on the clima