Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cebuano and Waray-waray Wikipedias among Top 10

2015-07-07 Thread Josh Lim
Hi Anders, While I would normally agree with your logic, take note that for both the Cebuano and Waray Wikipedias, there were only 1-2 editors who said yes to the endeavor. For Waray, that was JinJian. For Cebuano, that happened to also be JinJian and one other editor who is currently not

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cebuano and Waray-waray Wikipedias among Top 10

2015-07-07 Thread Lydia Pintscher
Hey :) There has been a lot of talk about Wikidata in this thread. We are indeed going to work on a solution. Lucie will be working on this project as part of her bachelor thesis starting in August. It is called article placeholder. You can read more and give input at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cebuano and Waray-waray Wikipedias among Top 10

2015-07-07 Thread Josh Lim
Allow me to correct myself: my last line should read bot-generated articles ALONE won’t jump-start a community, as the Cebuano and Waray examples have shown. Josh Wiadomość napisana przez Josh Lim jamesjoshua...@yahoo.com w dniu 7 lip 2015, o godz. 10:01: Hi Anders, While I would

[Wikimedia-l] Career development support for volunteers (was Re: Changes in Engineering leadership)

2015-07-07 Thread Quim Gil
Let's continue with a clearer subject, then. :) On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 6:06 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: 1. Prioritize work on the open badges system. There is https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/profile/916/, which has seen recent activity thanks to Lokal_Profil

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cebuano and Waray-waray Wikipedias among Top 10

2015-07-07 Thread Peter Southwood
How much work would it take to write a tool that would create a stub article, given a species name, that would be usable by an ordinary user without special training? -Original Message- From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cebuano and Waray-waray Wikipedias among Top 10

2015-07-07 Thread Josh Lim
Wiadomość napisana przez Anders Wennersten m...@anderswennersten.se w dniu 7 lip 2015, o godz. 04:11: What gives you the right to be judgemental how they act on their version? Is that your idea of the movement values and vision, to talk badly of other efforts? and I know for a fact

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation official Youtube channel(s)

2015-07-07 Thread Nasir Khan
Hi, Today i was searching in Youtube and found that there are two channels of Wikimedia Foundation (the links are following). The channel which has a verified link (the first link) has only a few videos and the other channel has user friendly URL and more videos. Can anyone tell why there are two

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation official Youtube channel(s)

2015-07-07 Thread Tilman Bayer
Hi Nasir, Jan Ainali has kindly forwarded this to the Social Media mailing list (https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media ), see the answers there: https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/social-media/2015-July/thread.html#2794 On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 2:29 PM, Nasir Khan

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cebuano and Waray-waray Wikipedias among Top 10

2015-07-07 Thread Anders Wennersten
The figures for Cebano is: 20 M speakers (60th biggest language in world) and 13 active contributors (compare to Dutch 28 M speakers 1183 active) Waray-Waray has 3,1 M speakers 11 active contributors (but 4 new ones!) (compare to Slovene 2,4 M speakers, 141 active) Sverker (who runs

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cebuano and Waray-waray Wikipedias among Top 10

2015-07-07 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Have you EVER set foot in Wikidata? Because the notion that its data can be readily understood is absurd. Reasonator can be used in stead it may even generate text and, this works rather well for English. It could work for other languages. One problem with Reasonator is that for ordinary

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cebuano and Waray-waray Wikipedias among Top 10

2015-07-07 Thread Ilario Valdelli
The best evaluation is to understand the evolution and the trend. In the last months in waray for instance I have seen less than 10 edits in the overall project in one month. This is not revitalization. I agree with the enthusiasm of the community members but I am personally in favor of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cebuano and Waray-waray Wikipedias among Top 10

2015-07-07 Thread Anders Wennersten
I am not saying this should be repeated. I am saying we should respect their choice, and not as outsiders criticize their effort. or put erroneous bad faith assumptions on why they did this choice. Anders Ilario Valdelli skrev den 2015-07-07 13:21: The best evaluation is to understand

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cebuano and Waray-waray Wikipedias among Top 10

2015-07-07 Thread Craig Franklin
There is already a consensus on enwiki (please, hold your rotten tomatoes) that projects like this which have inflated article counts due to extensive botting rather than through having a lively community not be included on the main page. I think a lot of the comments here about a huge article

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cebuano and Waray-waray Wikipedias among Top 10

2015-07-07 Thread Ilario Valdelli
Thanks to have summarized my position. As speaker than more than one minor language I agree that there is no sense to inflate articles over the possibility of the small community to manage them. Not in opposition of automated generated articles but having in my hands the experience of project

[Wikimedia-l] Erasmus Prize award ceremony

2015-07-07 Thread Arne Wossink
Wikipedia has been awarded the prestigious Erasmus Prize 2015. This prize is awarded annually to a person or institution that has made an exceptional contribution to culture, society or social science. Wikipedia was chosen because the Internet encyclopedia provides worldwide access to knowledge in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cebuano and Waray-waray Wikipedias among Top 10

2015-07-07 Thread Anders Wennersten
What gives you the right to be judgemental how they act on their version? Is that your idea of the movement values and vision, to talk badly of other efforts? and I know for a fact they did not to this to get into this list you are upset of. It is untrue when you state like this which have

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cebuano and Waray-waray Wikipedias among Top 10

2015-07-07 Thread
From the perspective of a bot writer, and who proposed the automatic creation of a few thousand drafts for missing English Wikipedia articles for registered monuments in Wales (the proposal was resisted), I would rather see auto-creation tools limited to *suggesting* stub articles on user request.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cebuano and Waray-waray Wikipedias among Top 10

2015-07-07 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, You will appreciate that when text is generated and cached. It may change when additional statements are made. So it will improve as and when improved information becomes available. As someone who knows the IT branch as well, the maintenance of data is a challenge but you will agree with me

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cebuano and Waray-waray Wikipedias among Top 10

2015-07-07 Thread Nathan
Craig - are you volunteering to lovingly handcraft the Waray encyclopedia article by article? Suggesting people go use Wikidata seems crazy. How will Waray speakers even know that Wikidata exists? How will they know how to manipulate the interface? More readable information available in the