[Wikimedia-l] Re: Movement Charter Drafting Committee elections are now open!

The voting for the Movement Charter Drafting Committee is now closed. We are truly grateful to all the voters who participated (despite the complexity of the voting procedure). We will look through the data this week and plan to announce the election results next Monday, November 1 2021. Thank

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Movement Charter Drafting Committee elections are now open!

On Wed, 20 Oct 2021 at 10:10, Dan Garry (Deskana) wrote: > You're definitely right about that. SecurePoll is a mess. I was the > product lead for a project to improve it in 2014, and whilst we did manage > to make quite a few improvements to the functionality and management, we > only got a

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Movement Charter Drafting Committee elections are now open!

Risker writes: > To the best of my knowledge, the Elections Committee has had no involvement in the MCDC election, > and there's no indication at all that the Board asked them to assist or to manage the election. > I would really like to see a couple of stewards acting as scrutineers for this

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Movement Charter Drafting Committee elections are now open!

On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 4:26 AM Todd Allen wrote: > Sorry I couldn't get back to you until now, as I didn't see this. > > Both you and Gerard's response share the same deficiency: Lack of detail. > This is basically marketese "sounds good" speak, but without any detail. > Sure, that stuff sounds

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Movement Charter Drafting Committee elections are now open!

> Agreed. Is this something that the Election Committee > , > as a standing committee not tied to a single election, can help with? SJ > > I would like the answer to this to be 'yes', but the Elections Committee doesn't

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Movement Charter Drafting Committee elections are now open!

Sorry I couldn't get back to you until now, as I didn't see this. Both you and Gerard's response share the same deficiency: Lack of detail. This is basically marketese "sounds good" speak, but without any detail. Sure, that stuff sounds good, but that's not anything to vote on. How do you plan to

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Movement Charter Drafting Committee elections are now open!

Hi, IMHO, for a person to be in a committee which will shape the movement charter, he/she needs to be experienced enough to have a broad understanding of the movement. Newcomers without any insight of the historical context will not be able to draft a charter effectively. Also, popular elections

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Movement Charter Drafting Committee elections are now open!

I still believe that a screening phase where people with limited support below a certain threshold can quit the race or be removed is the best way to have a functional ballot... to me it's just simpler this way. Even at real-life elections you need to show some signatures to access the race.

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Movement Charter Drafting Committee elections are now open!

Hi all, To me, a slightly better approach would have been to divide the 70 candidates into 7 blocks of 10 each, chosen in a random way, but the block remaining fixed. Then force the voter to visit each block and view the candidates ( so that nobody has any undue advantage). After that, the voter

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Movement Charter Drafting Committee elections are now open!

Just for quick context: I was mostly trying to say that any *simple* system may have benefits in the scenario when you don't have the resources to make a complex system work properly (read: userfriendly). A 7-member district was intended as shorthand for "out of these 70 people, pick 7 favorites".

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Movement Charter Drafting Committee elections are now open!

Just for the record, the Wikimedia Foundation Election Committee has been a standing committee since 2015, and reports to the Board Governance Committee. It is tasked with making recommendations on how elections are

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Movement Charter Drafting Committee elections are now open!

There's that, +1 for sure. But even within the current limitations, there are some configuration options that could have been chosen to improve user experience. For example, various WMF staff members have communicated different cutoff points when people shouldn't have to worry about their ranking

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Movement Charter Drafting Committee elections are now open!

Agreed. Is this something that the Election Committee , as a standing committee not tied to a single election, can help with? SJ On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 7:30 AM Jan Ainali wrote: > Thanks for your reply Kaarel, > > I

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Movement Charter Drafting Committee elections are now open!

Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 1:29 PM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Movement Charter Drafting Committee elections are now open! Thanks for your reply Kaarel, I just wanted to note that UI of SecurePoll caused problem in the board election too, and that the same excuse

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Movement Charter Drafting Committee elections are now open!

Thanks for your reply Kaarel, I just wanted to note that UI of SecurePoll caused problem in the board election too, and that the same excuse was used then "in a short time once". Obviously this is a piece of infrastructure that we need in the movement and that any team doing one election should

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Movement Charter Drafting Committee elections are now open!

Thank you everyone for taking the time to vote on the elections, for engaging with the tools that have been created to facilitate the voting, and for taking the time to provide the feedback. Running these elections with 70 candidates is a pilot and it is a great opportunity to learn together and

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Movement Charter Drafting Committee elections are now open!

On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 3:57 AM effe iets anders wrote: > This is a horribly problematic election. Not only does it take hours to go > through the candidates if you actually want to rank them, but you would > also need to be willing to spend about a lot of time to enter them into the > broken

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Movement Charter Drafting Committee elections are now open!

This is a horribly problematic election. Not only does it take hours to go through the candidates if you actually want to rank them, but you would also need to be willing to spend about a lot of time to enter them into the broken voting interface (which works great for up to 5 candidates - not for

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Movement Charter Drafting Committee elections are now open!

On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 6:04 PM Mike Peel wrote: > Cool. How do we find those pages from the advertised tools? Were they > shared here before (sorry if I missed them), or can we still vote on > them somewhere? > > The underlying problem is that we ended up with 70+ candidates for the MCDC. We

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Movement Charter Drafting Committee elections are now open!

On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 5:44 PM Mike Peel wrote: > Both of these seem like a fantastic way to support your intrinsic biases. > That's a pretty grim way of looking at things. I could find a bigger problem with the fact that the main page has images of the candidates, of varying quality, aspect

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Movement Charter Drafting Committee elections are now open!

Cool. How do we find those pages from the advertised tools? Were they shared here before (sorry if I missed them), or can we still vote on them somewhere? Or would it be fairer now to the candidates to let their statements stand alone and for people to vote based on those alone, rather than

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Movement Charter Drafting Committee elections are now open!

Hi Mike The questions were selected from this list: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_Charter/Drafting_Committee/Election_Compass/Statements People voted and the top ones were chosen. (A few near-duplicates that ranked at the top were combined by Cornelius, iirc). The raw data underlying

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Movement Charter Drafting Committee elections are now open!

Both of these seem like a fantastic way to support your intrinsic biases. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_Charter/Drafting_Committee/Candidates/Table - this supports your language or editor start date bias. Since you are limited to ordering by

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Movement Charter Drafting Committee elections are now open!

Thank you for the Election Compass! While the quantitative ranking was not very useful for me, these clear statements and concise answers by all candidates helped me a lot in the decision, and also the Election Compass tool was quite decent to explore them. The process of wider community input to

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Movement Charter Drafting Committee elections are now open!

To echo Risker, I'd encourage the use of more advanced tools by voters. On meta, I've pointed to the two tools that hopefully help: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Movement_Charter/Drafting_Committee/Elections#Tools_for_examining_candidates The links point to: - A table of all the factual

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Movement Charter Drafting Committee elections are now open!

Exactly this, according to the tool I'm somehow far from Risker but reading her replies I feel quite close. Vito Il giorno gio 14 ott 2021 alle ore 15:38 Risker ha scritto: > Adam, you may find the tool discussed here >

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Movement Charter Drafting Committee elections are now open!

Adam, you may find the tool discussed here to be helpful. It is created by one of the candidates, is based on the information submitted by candidates for the

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Movement Charter Drafting Committee elections are now open!

On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 12:02 PM Kaarel Vaidla wrote: > Additionally, we are piloting a so-called “Election Compass > ” for this election. Click > yourself through the tool and respond to the 19 statements, and you will > see which candidate is

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Movement Charter Drafting Committee elections are now open!

Dear Todd, Thank you for the feedback! While working on the consolidation of the recommendations coming from the working groups, the writers put a lot of effort into ensuring conciseness of expression for the final recommendations. In some cases it meant that the text became so condensed that It

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Movement Charter Drafting Committee elections are now open!

Hoi, Dear Todd, thank you for the invite to read up on this document full of "buzzwords and fury, signifying nothing". I did just that and not find what you suggested, what I found is a determined effort to bring more equity and diversity (you can look up the words in Wiktionary or any other

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Movement Charter Drafting Committee elections are now open!

So, you linked to this: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Ensure_Equity_in_Decision-making#Establish_a_common_framework_for_decision-making What does any of that mean? Right now, it is a document full of buzzwords and fury, signifying nothing. Is