[sorry for cross-posting]
Hello everyone,
I would like spend a minute thanking Wikimedia Deutschland for organizing
the Wikimedia Conference in Berlin, and thanking everyone who participated
in it.
I'd like to say out loud that I really liked the atmosphere, that I enjoy
more and more the simple
Dear Wikimedians,
You have not yet registered for the Wikimedia Conference 2015 in Berlin?
You want to shape the future of the Wikimedia movement? You want to meet,
exchange and mingle with other movement enthusiasts from around the world?
Then please be kindly reminded to register until Monday,
another 2 cents over at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Future_of_the_Wikimedia_Conference
From: e...@wikimanialondon.org
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 13:58:00 +0100
To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2015
The name of a conference
It would, however, significantly increase the work for the Wikimania
organisers. They didn't sign up to programme and organise an affiliate org
conference, so they shouldn't have to if they don't want to.
Guestlists cause all sorts of politics, but are a necessary evil when dealing
with
One additional nice benefit from having the affiliates conference be a
pre-Wikimania conference is that those who don't want to or are excluded
from the affiliate portions of the event can attend other portions like the
education pre-conference or the pre-conference hackathon.
Can we please move
Any time I have seen the proposal of a pre-conference in Wikimania, any
time I have seen nothing happening.
There are two hackathons per year, one as Wikimania pre-conference and a
second one as separate event.
In my opinion proposing a preconference will not solve the problem but will
add a
I was always a little surprised by the name Wikimedia Conference. After
all, that name would most logically belong to the big, open, week-long
event that draws over a thousand people together to talk about every aspect
of the movement.*
However, that event is already called Wikimania, which also
Wikimedia is a community of communities.
So basically Wikimania can be the unique Wikimedia Conference.
But we can come back to the first question. Would we really have a second
Wikimania in the first quarter of any year because the name Wikimedia
Conference should exclude no one?
Would we
Regional conferences are easier to attend for the locals, but...
* There would be less mixing of people and thematic organizations from
different regions
* WMF's travel costs would skyrocket if it tried to send the same number of
people to several regional events, and WMF would also likely have
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 10:52 PM, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org
wrote:
I suggest we use 'the Oompa Loompa discussion meeting' and
be done with it.
Ah, but what COLOR are the oompa loompas?
*Philippe Beaudette * \\ Director, Community Advocacy \\ Wikimedia
Foundation, Inc.
T:
What I have said is simple.
Wikimania does its own job. A second Wikimania doesn't make sense.
Regional and thematic are important and can help a support the movement.
Regional conferences collect people around a region or continent and there
is no obligation to speak English (Iberoconf is an
Actually, I'd like to speak up on the name.
I imagine the name reflected the enthusiasm of its first attendees,
but Wikimania has all the wrong connotations in today's world. True
mania is marked by little control, commitment, and rest. It also
implies that attendees have to be dyed-in-the-wool,
On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 8:17 PM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote:
Actually, I'd like to speak up on the name.
I imagine the name reflected the enthusiasm of its first attendees,
but Wikimania has all the wrong connotations in today's world. True
mania is marked by little control, commitment,
But Wikimania is not only a Wikimedia Conference.
It's a conference open to all people outside the Wikimedia movement.
If the name should be as much as possible explicative, the switch from
Wikimania to Wikimedia Conference is inappropriate.
On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Wil Sinclair
The word Conference doesn't in itself imply that an event is open or
closed.
C
On 12 Sep 2014 13:06, Ilario Valdelli valde...@gmail.com wrote:
But Wikimania is not only a Wikimedia Conference.
It's a conference open to all people outside the Wikimedia movement.
If the name should be as much
It's not the word Conference, is the word Wikimedia that address people to
consider it as an event for the Wikimedia movement.
On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com
wrote:
The word Conference doesn't in itself imply that an event is open or
closed.
C
On
The name of a conference is typically a descriptor of the contents of the
programme rather than of the attendees :)
*Edward Saperia*
Conference Director Wikimania London http://www.wikimanialondon.org
email e...@wikimanialondon.org • facebook
http://www.facebook.com/edsaperia • twitter
For what its worth, I just added another 2 cents over at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Future_of_the_Wikimedia_Conference
From: e...@wikimanialondon.org
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 13:58:00 +0100
To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2015
Dear all,
Wikimania has been over for a month now and it is already time to discuss
the next Wikimedia event, the Wikimedia Conference.
A year ago, for the very first time, the movement set up a selection
process to choose the host of the conference, 4 chapters applied and WMDE
was chosen to
On 11 September 2014 09:27, Anh Chung anh.chung.w...@gmail.com wrote:
Dear all,
Wikimania has been over for a month now and it is already time to discuss
the next Wikimedia event, the Wikimedia Conference.
Though I'm sure the event is worthy, I will repeat yet again the request
from the
I think Wikimedia Affiliates Meeting or Wikimedia Movement Affiliates
Meeting would better match the wording used elsewhere.
-greg
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On Sep 11, 2014, at 12:42 PM, James Forrester jdforres...@gmail.com wrote:
On
On 11.09.2014 18:42, James Forrester wrote:
On 11 September 2014 09:27, Anh Chung anh.chung.w...@gmail.com wrote:
Dear all,
Wikimania has been over for a month now and it is already time to discuss
the next Wikimedia event, the Wikimedia Conference.
Though I'm sure the event is worthy, I
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Ilario Valdelli valde...@gmail.com wrote:
Against the funds of WMF.
A second conference open to the public would be a second yearly Wikimania,
and to open it means to have a budget more or less equal to Wikimania.
In addition there are not represented some
On 11 September 2014 10:52, Ilario Valdelli valde...@gmail.com wrote:
On 11.09.2014 18:42, James Forrester wrote:
On 11 September 2014 09:27, Anh Chung anh.chung.w...@gmail.com wrote:
Dear all,
Wikimania has been over for a month now and it is already time to discuss
the next Wikimedia
/me mumbles something about a bikeshed that has a beautiful shade of blue.
2014-09-11 20:06 GMT+02:00 James Forrester ja...@jdforrester.org:
On 11 September 2014 10:52, Ilario Valdelli valde...@gmail.com wrote:
On 11.09.2014 18:42, James Forrester wrote:
On 11 September 2014 09:27, Anh
On 11.09.2014 20:06, James Forrester wrote:
On 11 September 2014 10:52, Ilario Valdelli valde...@gmail.com wrote:
Against the funds of WMF.
A second conference open to the public would be a second yearly Wikimania,
and to open it means to have a budget more or less equal to Wikimania.
On 11/09/14 18:42, Ilario Valdelli wrote:
On 11.09.2014 20:06, James Forrester wrote:
On 11 September 2014 10:52, Ilario Valdelli valde...@gmail.com wrote:
Against the funds of WMF.
A second conference open to the public would be a second yearly
Wikimania,
and to open it means to have a
On 11.09.2014 20:48, Isarra Yos wrote:
I'm part of the Wikimedia movement, but there are no chapters nearby,
nor are there any user groups that I know of relevant to my interests
as yet. Thus there is nobody to represent me but myself.
If this is Wikimedia, why can't I go to a Wikimedia
I'm with James and Isarra here. Only a small minority of Wikimedians are
part of chapters and affiliated groups; being a member of an organized
group has nothing to do with being a Wikimedian, or even directly with
Wikimedia itself. This is an exclusionary conference - not only do you
have to be
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2015
I'm with James and Isarra here. Only a small minority of Wikimedians are
part of chapters and affiliated groups; being a member of an organized
group has nothing to do with being a Wikimedian, or even directly with
Wikimedia itself
Since before planning gets underway is the perfect time to clarify the
conference title, and Anh Chung was kind enough to create the pages, I've
taken the liberty of moving them to [[Wikimedia Affiliates Conference
2015]].
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I believe names and how we treat them both hold great power and tell a lot
about the name-giver and power relationships.
Wikimedia means different things to different people (possibly all
valid), it is both the name for the concept of the different sister
projects and their combined ethos forming
Hi Bence,
We strive not to be bound by bureaucracy, don't we? If we discover that a
simple name (as generic as Wikimedia Conference) is slightly misleading,
or not completely accurate, then why should we avoid changing it?
Particularly as it appears that no process has begun to plan the next
The name could be changed if the participants/organisers want to change it.
As I tried to point out, I don't see the name as the underlying problem
people really have, and changing it will not solve the problem of exclusion
people see.
We can make a conference that has a participants list that
On 11.09.2014 21:26, Risker wrote:
Please do not call it the Wikimedia conference. It may be many things,
but it's not that. Wikimedia Affiliates Conference will do fine.
Risker/Anne
I think that the misunderstanding is here.
This is not the Wikimedia Conference, this is one of several
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Bence Damokos bdamo...@gmail.com wrote:
The name could be changed if the participants/organisers want to change it.
As I tried to point out, I don't see the name as the underlying problem
people really have, and changing it will not solve the problem of
On 11.09.2014 22:27, Nathan wrote:
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Bence Damokos bdamo...@gmail.com wrote:
But in closing, I will once again point to my statements that names are
symbolic and they can be changed. If the participants change the name that
sends a totally different vibe than if
I can see that people who are (also/only/additionally) part of different
interpretations of the word Wikimedia might feel excluded by the use of the
name by a subset of people who also make up a valid constellation under the
name Wikimedia. I cannot tell if this feeling involves the small number
Is this really a discussion about the name of a conference or is it more a
discussion about inclusion and exclusion with the underlying question if
this conference, which once was set up as a meeting for the organizations
within the Wikimedia movement, should be open for non-organized Wikimedians
There is no reason to change the name, and no reason to invent a second
Wikimania. Also because of finances, the Spring meeting should be really
limited to people who make the movement work better.
I repeat that, in my opinion, some newer or smaller organisations don't fit
really in, or should
If it is to be limited to certain people, why not just have a pre conference
with Wikimania?
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 23:36:36 +0200
From: zvand...@gmail.com
To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2015
There is no reason to change the name
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 1:47 PM, Alice Wiegand me.ly...@gmail.com wrote:
Is this really a discussion about the name of a conference or is it more a
discussion about inclusion and exclusion with the underlying question if
this conference, which once was set up as a meeting for the organizations
On 11/09/14 22:06, Pete Forsyth wrote:
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 1:47 PM, Alice Wiegand me.ly...@gmail.com wrote:
Is this really a discussion about the name of a conference or is it more a
discussion about inclusion and exclusion with the underlying question if
this conference, which once was
On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Isarra Yos zhoris...@gmail.com wrote:
On 11/09/14 22:06, Pete Forsyth wrote:
Personally, I have no problem with the existence of the conference, but I
find its name alienating. Not everyone agrees with that assessment, but
clearly some others in this thread
I personally prefer silver unpainted bikesheds. That way, they don't need
constant repainting.
Perhaps it would be best to decide the program. Or indeed something else
about it. Targets. Audience. Anything. Our conference baby will indeed need
a name, and a name is important, but let's have a
On 11 September 2014 19:19, Charles Gregory wmau.li...@chuq.net wrote:
On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Isarra Yos zhoris...@gmail.com wrote:
On 11/09/14 22:06, Pete Forsyth wrote:
Personally, I have no problem with the existence of the conference, but
I
find its name alienating. Not
But we don't even have a bikeshed or a community centre yet :-P
On 12 Sep 2014 00:52, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote:
On 11 September 2014 19:19, Charles Gregory wmau.li...@chuq.net wrote:
On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Isarra Yos zhoris...@gmail.com wrote:
On 11/09/14 22:06, Pete
We do have a community centre. It's called Meta. It may not be a very
elegant one, and there are definitely parts that can be improved, but it's
our virtual community centre.
Risker/Anne
On 11 September 2014 19:54, Richard Symonds
richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
But we don't even
What I'm saying is, let's plan a conference before we argue over the name.
On 12 Sep 2014 00:57, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote:
We do have a community centre. It's called Meta. It may not be a very
elegant one, and there are definitely parts that can be improved, but it's
our virtual
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Richard Symonds
richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
What I'm saying is, let's plan a conference before we argue over the name.
But, most of the people on this list wouldn't have anything to do with this
conference -- surely there's a better resource for
I like the idea of having this event be a pre-conference for Wikimania.
That may reduce total travel costs and travel time for the people who
usually attend both events. This may also simplify planning for people and
thorgs.
Pine
On Sep 11, 2014 5:25 PM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com wrote:
... but the conference has been running for a few years, and has gradually
evolved over that time, from primarily chapters, to other affiliate
organisations, AffCom itself, FDC in recent years, etc. I don't think
anyone is suggesting any revolutionary changes for the next one? Just a
change in
An editor has moved the pages back, for anyone interested. Amusingly
illogical rationale in the edit summary, but what can you do.
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On 11 September 2014 22:07, Charles Gregory wmau.li...@chuq.net wrote:
... but the conference has been running for a few years, and has gradually
evolved over that time, from primarily chapters, to other affiliate
organisations, AffCom itself, FDC in recent years, etc. I don't think
anyone
So basically you're arguing that if people want to have a more sensible
discussion about the who, what where, they should use a closed mailing
list? Like it was done in the past? Fine with me.
Please continue the discussion about the color, but it would be more
effective to have started a
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