Re: [Wikimedia-l] WaPo Wikipedia's 'complicated; relationship with net neutrality

2014-12-08 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, When you consider that Wikipedia is the most used source of information in the countires where ebola is rife, it makes these countries particularly important to have Wikipedia zero. They are. There is no way we should underestimate the importance of Wikipedia zero. It effectively saves lives.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WaPo Wikipedia's 'complicated; relationship with net neutrality

2014-12-08 Thread Erik Moeller
On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 8:35 PM, Jens Best wrote: > Wikipedia Zero should be newly framed as a leading example of Public > Free Knowledge. Hey Jens, I think your line of argument here is reasonable, and we are generally thinking in the direction of how Wikipedia can be part of a broader coalitio

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WaPo Wikipedia's 'complicated; relationship with net neutrality

2014-12-08 Thread Mike Godwin
Jens writes: On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 11:35 PM, Jens Best wrote: > Common access to streets and to public libraries are a cornerstone for > a free society therefore Telecoms which agreed on giving Wikipedia > zero-rated status should be welcoming by add more free content (like > e.g. the video-li

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WaPo Wikipedia's 'complicated; relationship with net neutrality

2014-12-08 Thread Jens Best
Hi Mike, sorry for the delay of my answer and thanks to all for the discussion which is trying to look forward instead of just talking about the mistakes and hopes surrounding Wikipedia Zero in the past. I would like to follow your example, Mike, and not going point by point through your arguments

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WaPo Wikipedia's 'complicated; relationship with net neutrality

2014-12-08 Thread Mike Godwin
On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 10:56 PM, John Mark Vandenberg wrote: > Comparisons to PBS/TV are not a useful pro-Wikipedia Zero argument ... Nor was it offered as a pro-Wikipedia Zero argument! It is instead an argument intended *specifically to underscore inconsistent standards of analysis.* It is, ins

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WaPo Wikipedia's 'complicated; relationship with net neutrality

2014-12-08 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
Comparisons to PBS/TV are not a useful pro-Wikipedia Zero argument, as the TV network model is itself a convincing argument effectively used by the pro-net-neutrality people as a worst case outcome of eroding net neutrality - most people agree we need to avoid the Internet descending to a TV networ

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the UK

2014-12-08 Thread Charles Gregory
Russavia (and everyone), I've asked about, and from I can find the WMF has contracted out collection of BPay payments to a third party merchant (an Australian business). This has been the case since the first fundraiser that WMAU was not involved in payment processing (2011 I think). Regards, C

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WaPo Wikipedia's 'complicated; relationship with net neutrality

2014-12-08 Thread Mike Godwin
MZMcBride wrote: > I can't say I watch PBS very much, but I do occasionally listen to NPR. > And to borrow a phrase from the West Coast, I find those advertisements > hella annoying and I certainly don't think we should emulate them. If you have an alternative funding plan for NPR, you should pu

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WaPo Wikipedia's 'complicated; relationship with net neutrality

2014-12-08 Thread MZMcBride
Mike Godwin wrote: >If MZ doesn't like the Public Broadcasting System, I see no reason for >him to misplace his rage against public television and direct it to >Wikipedia. Certainly PBS forces me to see sponsorship statements that >Wikipedia doesn't force me to see. > >I don't actually see the Wiki

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WaPo Wikipedia's 'complicated; relationship with net neutrality

2014-12-08 Thread Mike Godwin
If MZ doesn't like the Public Broadcasting System, I see no reason for him to misplace his rage against public television and direct it to Wikipedia. Certainly PBS forces me to see sponsorship statements that Wikipedia doesn't force me to see. I don't actually see the Wikipedia banner ads, so I ca

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WaPo Wikipedia's 'complicated; relationship with net neutrality

2014-12-08 Thread MZMcBride
Mike Godwin wrote: >Does this mean some platform providers will use Wikipedia Zero to >justify their own self-serving economic alliances? Of course it does. >But we don't have to let their propagandists define us. I think we should be explicit here: in exchange for zero-rated access to Wikipedia,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the UK

2014-12-08 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 4 December 2014 at 21:10, Andy Mabbett wrote: > How much money do we expect to raise (or did we last year), from the > UK? How much of the money raised from the UK will attract "Gift > Aid"[*] tax releif? Unless I've missed it these questions have not yet been answered. -- Andy Mabbett @pig

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the UK

2014-12-08 Thread Russavia
Lisa, Thanks for your reply and clarification. When one clicks on the fundraising banner from the UK, they get taken to this site.[1] As you can see there is no prominent link about gift aid on that page. There is, however, a link at the bottom under "Tax deductibility information" which takes yo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to WMF November 2014 Metrics & Activities Meeting: Thursday, December 4, 19:00 UTC

2014-12-08 Thread Adam Baso
Hi there, just wanted to touch on the autoredirection stuff. The thing mentioned on autoredirection is an enhancement for accesses to m.wikipedia.org/ webroot (not articles) for Wikipedia Zero users. As before, non-Wikipedia Zero users accessing m.wikipedia.org/ webroot continue to get redirected t

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the UK

2014-12-08 Thread Lisa Gruwell
Hi Russavia- Thanks for clarification. There is a lot of room for confusion here and I sure I have not been as clear when talking about this as I needed to be. Here are the details: The pricing structure is based on cumulative donations. We paid 20% on the first £100 in donations (which was cover

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the UK

2014-12-08 Thread Russavia
Lisa, I posted a link to the WMF Board discussion to this list on 6 December, it's no problem if you missed it, here it is again: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_noticeboard#Fundraising I quote from that: "The [UK Fund for Charities channels gifts to validated non-UK

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the Netherlands; informing the donors

2014-12-08 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Gerard Meijssen, 07/12/2014 13:11: At the time I learned that there is the possibility of an European tax status. I do remember that it took several years of financial statements. This is something we can easily provide We already do: that's what local chapters are for. WMF is not based in EU

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the Netherlands; informing the donors

2014-12-08 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, At the time I learned that it is possible to have an EC wide status. While local tax laws differ, it only takes one effort to have such an EC status. Nothing was done at the time, that was/is an annoyance. My hope is that this status will be established so that our donors can benefit accordin

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the Netherlands; informing the donors

2014-12-08 Thread Jan-Bart de Vreede
Hey Another minor correction with a large impact. The first 60 euro, or 1% of your gross income, (crude translation of Drempelinkomen, but it will do for the sake of the argument), whichever is higher, does not count as deductible... Realistically this means that for people donating any money,