Re: [Wikimedia-l] 2012 Picture of the Year

[Nurunnaby Chowdhury Hasive]

Hi,
I write a news about 2012 Picture of the year. This news published The
Daily Prothom-Alo  [1] (Prothom-Alo Highest
circulated Bengali [1] newspaper of Bangladesh [2])
Check this link:
http://www.prothom-alo.com/detail/date/2013-02-25/news/331797

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prothom_Alo
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangla
[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh


On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Daniel ~ Leinad wrote:

> Also on WMPL blog post was published on Friday:
>
> http://blog.wikimedia.pl/2013/02/znamy-juz-najlepsze-zdjecie-wikipedii-z-2012-roku/
> (before post on WMF blog :-) )
>
> --
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>
>
> 2013/2/25 Tilman Bayer :
> > Hi Stevie,
> >
> > Mono's blog post was published on Friday, less than half an hour after
> > this email announcement. You can find it at
> > https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/02/22/winner-2012-picture-of-the-year/
> > . Apologies that the link had not been posted here yet.
> >
> > The latest posts are always displayed on https://blog.wikimedia.org/ ,
> > and usually also announced on social media (Twitter, Identi.ca,
> > Facebook, Google+), as was this one.
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 3:54 AM, Stevie Benton
> >  wrote:
> >> Congratulations to everyone involved!
> >>
> >> Will the link to the blog post be shared when it's published? Would be
> >> great to share it with the UK folks.
> >>
> >> Thank and regards,
> >>
> >> Stevie
> >>
> >> On 23 February 2013 23:26, Guillaume Goursat <
> guillaume.gour...@wikimedia.fr
> >>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Thank you to the commitee, the voters and all the editors who have
> uploaded
> >>> a picture in 2012 :-)
> >>>
> >>> I want also to congratulate all the folks in Wikimedia France who have
> >>> helped to produce the winning picture, with the project Phoebus [1] :-)
> >>>
> >>> Guillaume
> >>>
> >>> [1] : http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Projet_Phoebus
> >>>
> >>> 2013/2/24 Itzik Edri 
> >>>
> >>> > Just want to congratulate  and thanks everyone who been part of
> >>> > the committee this year. Last year I criticized the long process and
> the
> >>> > fact that we published the winners only in the middle of the year.
> This
> >>> > year the announcement came kind of the beginning of the year. So good
> >>> job!
> >>> >
> >>> > On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 8:44 PM, Mono  wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > > On behalf of the 2012 Picture of the Year committee, I'm proud to
> >>> > announce
> >>> > > the seventh Picture of the Year. About 4,000 Wikimedia editors
> helped
> >>> > > select this marvelous image, shattering previous turnout records.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > You can view the top 12 results right now on Wikimedia Commons at
> >>> > >
> >>> >
> >>>
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/2012/Results
> >>> > > .
> >>> > > Stay tuned for a blog post on the Wikimedia blog and an upcoming
> 2014
> >>> > > calendar from the top 12 images.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > The contest is a fun and enjoyable event that not only celebrates
> our
> >>> > > excellent photographers and illustrators, but everyone who
> contributes
> >>> to
> >>> > > Wikimedia. You are encouraged to donate your own work to the
> Wikimedia
> >>> > > Commons as our library of freely licensed media files grows past 16
> >>> > million
> >>> > > files.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Thank you for your participation!
> >>> > >
> >>> > > User:Mono
> >>> > > POTY 2012 Committee
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> >> Stevie Benton
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> >> global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quarterly reviews of high priority WMF initiatives

[Tilman Bayer]

Minutes and slides from the second Quarterly Review meeting, this time
with the Wikipedia Zero team, can now be found at:

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Metrics_and_activities_meetings/Quarterly_reviews/Wikipedia_Zero,_2013-02-20

On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Erik Moeller  wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> to increase accountability and create more opportunities for course
> corrections and resourcing adjustments as necessary, Sue's asked me
> and Howie Fung to set up a quarterly project evaluation process,
> starting with our highest priority initiatives. These are, according
> to Sue's narrowing focus recommendations which were approved by the
> Board [1]:
>
> - Visual Editor
> - Mobile (mobile contributions + Wikipedia Zero)
> - Editor Engagement (also known as the E2 and E3 teams)
> - Funds Dissemination Committe and expanded grant-making capacity
>
> I'm proposing the following initial schedule:
>
> January:
> - Editor Engagement Experiments
>
> February:
> - Visual Editor
> - Mobile (Contribs + Zero)
>
> March:
> - Editor Engagement Features (Echo, Flow projects)
> - Funds Dissemination Committee
>
> We’ll try doing this on the same day or adjacent to the monthly
> metrics meetings [2], since the team(s) will give a presentation on
> their recent progress, which will help set some context that would
> otherwise need to be covered in the quarterly review itself. This will
> also create open opportunities for feedback and questions.
>
> My goal is to do this in a manner where even though the quarterly
> review meetings themselves are internal, the outcomes are captured as
> meeting minutes and shared publicly, which is why I'm starting this
> discussion on a public list as well. I've created a wiki page here
> which we can use to discuss the concept further:
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Metrics_and_activities_meetings/Quarterly_reviews
>
> The internal review will, at minimum, include:
>
> Sue Gardner
> myself
> Howie Fung
> Team members and relevant director(s)
> Designated minute-taker
>
> So for example, for Visual Editor, the review team would be the Visual
> Editor / Parsoid teams, Sue, me, Howie, Terry, and a minute-taker.
>
> I imagine the structure of the review roughly as follows, with a
> duration of about 2 1/2 hours divided into 25-30 minute blocks:
>
> - Brief team intro and recap of team's activities through the quarter,
> compared with goals
> - Drill into goals and targets: Did we achieve what we said we would?
> - Review of challenges, blockers and successes
> - Discussion of proposed changes (e.g. resourcing, targets) and other
> action items
> - Buffer time, debriefing
>
> Once again, the primary purpose of these reviews is to create improved
> structures for internal accountability, escalation points in cases
> where serious changes are necessary, and transparency to the world.
>
> In addition to these priority initiatives, my recommendation would be
> to conduct quarterly reviews for any activity that requires more than
> a set amount of resources (people/dollars). These additional reviews
> may however be conducted in a more lightweight manner and internally
> to the departments. We’re slowly getting into that habit in
> engineering.
>
> As we pilot this process, the format of the high priority reviews can
> help inform and support reviews across the organization.
>
> Feedback and questions are appreciated.
>
> All best,
> Erik
>
> [1] https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Vote:Narrowing_Focus
> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Metrics_and_activities_meetings
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Info: Election for WCA Chairperson

[Markus Glaser]

Am 25.02.2013 23:13, schrieb Fae:

On 25 February 2013 04:17, Newyorkbrad  wrote:
...

voting. To the extent that a given member might wish to decide his or her
vote through consultation with his or her chapter -- through internal
discussion and consensus or a vote of the chapter board members or all the
chapter's members, on a mailing list or at a chapter meeting -- I'm not
sure one week is a long enough period in which all chapters can do so.

I have added a week to the overall process, which would not seem to be
an issue with installing a Chairperson well in advance of the Milan
conference.

The dates I have added are:
 Nominations open midnight (UTC) on Monday 25 February 2013.
 Nominations close midnight on Wednesday 6 March 2013 and voting is opened.
 Voting closes midnight Sunday 17 March 2013.

Thanks,
Fae

+1

Markus

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Info: Election for WCA Chairperson

[Ilario Valdelli]

Dear Jan Bart,
I think that your request would suggest a more open model... It may be that
this simple and natural request needs to have the ability to rediscuss the
whole organization.

On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 1:35 AM, Jan-Bart de Vreede  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Not to be incredibly mean about this, but how about giving a vote to all
> chapters approved by the AffCom, rather than just the members? I know you
> are looking at the membership model and trying to see if it will work for
> you, but this sort of limits your options and perpetuates the feeling that
> you are not representing cooperation between ALL the chapters...
>
> Jan-Bart
>
>
> On Feb 24, 2013, at 2:29 PM, Fae  wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > The schedule of election for the Chapters Association Council Chair
> > has been announced at
> > <
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Chapters_Association/Elections/2013_Chair
> >
> >
> > The schedule is:
> >Nominations open midnight (UTC) on Monday 25 February 2013.
> >Nominations close midnight on Monday 4 March 2013 and voting is
> opened.
> >Voting closes midnight Monday 11 March 2013.
> >
> > Note that all 21 Council members will be eligible to vote, including
> > those that stand for election. In a heavily contested election,
> > expecting nominated candidates to refrain from voting would not be
> > workable.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Fae
> > --
> > Ashley Van Haeften (Fae) fae...@gmail.com
> > Chapters Association Council Chair http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WCA
> > Guide to email tags: http://j.mp/mfae
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Info: Election for WCA Chairperson

[Fae]

On 25 February 2013 04:17, Newyorkbrad  wrote:
...
> voting. To the extent that a given member might wish to decide his or her
> vote through consultation with his or her chapter -- through internal
> discussion and consensus or a vote of the chapter board members or all the
> chapter's members, on a mailing list or at a chapter meeting -- I'm not
> sure one week is a long enough period in which all chapters can do so.

I have added a week to the overall process, which would not seem to be
an issue with installing a Chairperson well in advance of the Milan
conference.

The dates I have added are:
Nominations open midnight (UTC) on Monday 25 February 2013.
Nominations close midnight on Wednesday 6 March 2013 and voting is opened.
Voting closes midnight Sunday 17 March 2013.

Thanks,
Fae
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Chapters Association Council Chair http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WCA
Guide to email tags: http://j.mp/mfae

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Info: Election for WCA Chairperson (improved formatting)

[Michał Buczyński]

Hi Darek and Markus,

in response to 2 seperate e-mails (once again, as this mailing list is killing 
the formatting).

25 lutego 2013 17:08 Markus Glaser  napisał(a):

> I think the point about "representing" vs. "serving" was well understood
> in the London meeting. The planned outcome is a series of actions that
> serve all the chapters and even other entities. This will be our main
> focus. As I said before, when it comes to "representing", though, an
> opt-in model is the best way to go.
> 
> Markus
> 


25 lutego 2013 16:59 Dariusz Jemielniak  napisał(a):

> just a thought: if we substitute "represent" with "serve", we get much
> better results, no? While I am not entirely certain if all chapters require
> "representation" (frankly, it may probably make sense only in terms of
> relations with the WMF, I don't imagine, at least now, chapters from all
> over the world suddenly needing external representation), clearly all
> chapters need support.
> 
> best,
> 
> dj


Participants of the second day of London know already that we had a small 
discussion how to name three general services provided by WCA:
2. research
3. voice or communication
and the first one - should we call it assistance, advisory or how exactly.

My personal idea is that WCA is a service, assisting and co-ordinating 
organization/cooperation, not a superchapter managing and supervising local 
chapters - and I guess I am not far from other chapter members.
I think we all agreed on a _peer_ review, advisory, assistance, auditing and 
health checks for volunteers etc. - putting stress on the word "peer".  

Now, the main problem is how to communicate it. I am afraid that a fear of 
power hungry WCA blocks its adoption now.

And finally, certainly we had no wish to usurp that our visions, ideas and 
voice reflect a stance of _all_ chapters. We recognize the independance of 
particular chapters and their choice whether they want to cooperate closer or 
not.

Best Regards,
Michał "Aegis Maelstrom" Buczyński, WMPL











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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Info: Election for WCA Chairperson

[Michał Buczyński]

Hi Darek and Markus,
in response to 2 seperate e-mails.
Dnia 25 lutego 2013 17:08 Markus Glaser  
napisał(a):
I think the point about "representing" vs. "serving" was well understood
in the London meeting. The planned outcome is a series of actions that
serve all the chapters and even other entities. This will be our main
focus. As I said before, when it comes to "representing", though, an
opt-in model is the best way to go.
Markus
Dnia 25 lutego 2013 16:59 Dariusz Jemielniak  
napisał(a):
just a thought: if we substitute "represent" with "serve", we get much
better results, no? While I am not entirely certain if all chapters require
"representation" (frankly, it may probably make sense only in terms of
relations with the WMF, I don't imagine, at least now, chapters from all
over the world suddenly needing external representation), clearly all
chapters need support.
best,
dj
Participants of the second day of London know already that we had a small 
discussion how to name three general services provided by WCA:
2. research
3. voice or communication
and the first one - should we call it assistance, advisory or how exactly.
My personal idea is that WCA is a service, assisting and co-ordinating 
organization/cooperation, not a superchapter managing and supervising local 
chapters - and I guess I am not far from other chapter members.
I think we all agreed on a _peer_ review, advisory, assistance, auditing and 
health checks for volunteers etc. - putting stress on the word "peer".  
Now, the main problem is how to communicate it. I am afraid that a fear of 
power hungry WCA blocks its adoption now.
And finally, certainly we had no wish to usurp that our visions, ideas and 
voice reflect a stance of _all_ chapters. We recognize the independance of 
particular chapters and their choice whether they want to cooperate closer or 
not.
Best Regards,Michał "Aegis Maelstrom" Buczyński, WMPL
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Info: Election for WCA Chairperson

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

Pharos, 25/02/2013 22:10:

I see your point, and I agree that proposing to modify the bylaws
would not be a practical option for us now.

Perhaps, though, we might come up with some "informal" processes for
broader pan-chapter input before then...


Like, adding feedback on Meta talk pages? :)

Nemo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Info: Election for WCA Chairperson

[Pharos]

I see your point, and I agree that proposing to modify the bylaws
would not be a practical option for us now.

Perhaps, though, we might come up with some "informal" processes for
broader pan-chapter input before then...

Thanks,
Richard
(User:Pharos)

On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Fae  wrote:
> For those commenting here that they would like to see all AffCom
> recognized chapters voting for the Chair, please note this would take
> a resolution to change the charter (section B Art 3) "Each Chapter
> selects one Council Member, by announcement of the Chapter to the
> Chair of the Council."
>
> I estimate that in practice such a resolution would mean that we could
> not run the election for Chair until after the Milan conference, and I
> would have no confidence that it would pass.
>
> @Jan-Bart, as the only WMF trustee discussing this here so far, and as
> the person who started this line of discussion, would the WMF trustees
> be content to see me stay in place for so long whilst we reach a
> consensus?
>
> I was aiming to open nominations at midnight today my time, so
> apologies if by the time you read this it is already too late to
> change the schedule.
>
> Thanks,
> Fae
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Info: Election for WCA Chairperson

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

Nathan, 25/02/2013 20:28:

By the by, did it not occur to anyone that having members of the
Association, members of the Council, and members of the Secretariat
might introduce some ambiguity into what is meant by the term
"members"?


Yes. ;-)

Answer: «Indeed something to look at carefully, when incorporating the 
charter according to a given jurisdiction.Ziko (talk) 20:27, 24 March 
2012 (UTC)»

Too bad work is stalled waiting for a mysterious bright future.

Nemo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Info: Election for WCA Chairperson

[Pharos]

On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Nathan  wrote:
> That means the only votes belong to those on the Council; this could
> be easily resolved by other chapters becoming members, as has been
> said, but presumably some who have refused so far... do so because
> they have to accept the "rights, duties and obligations" of a member.
> These include allowing the Council to assess dues, without limit, on
> chapters. There isn't even a requirement that the dues be linked to
> anything; they can be different for each chapter, according to the
> whims of the Council.
>
> By the by, did it not occur to anyone that having members of the
> Association, members of the Council, and members of the Secretariat
> might introduce some ambiguity into what is meant by the term
> "members"?

I think that the "member dues" issue should really not be something to
deter any potential new chapters from joining, though I understand the
concern.

The fact is, there have been zero dues required so far (a fact my
small chapter is quite happy with!), and if burdensome dues were ever
instituted, we are perfectly free to leave before they would come into
effect.

So, I think it is more the perception of the potential for burdensome
dues that has been the problem, and so it might make sense to help
"ease" chapters with this concern into the official membership.

Thanks,
Richard
(User:Pharos)

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Info: Election for WCA Chairperson

[Nathan]

That means the only votes belong to those on the Council; this could
be easily resolved by other chapters becoming members, as has been
said, but presumably some who have refused so far... do so because
they have to accept the "rights, duties and obligations" of a member.
These include allowing the Council to assess dues, without limit, on
chapters. There isn't even a requirement that the dues be linked to
anything; they can be different for each chapter, according to the
whims of the Council.

By the by, did it not occur to anyone that having members of the
Association, members of the Council, and members of the Secretariat
might introduce some ambiguity into what is meant by the term
"members"?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Info: Election for WCA Chairperson

[Fae]

Sorry wrong ref, easily done - I meant to paste in "The Council elects
from its own Members a Chair and a Deputy Chair." (Section 3 Art 6).

Fae

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Info: Election for WCA Chairperson

[Fae]

For those commenting here that they would like to see all AffCom
recognized chapters voting for the Chair, please note this would take
a resolution to change the charter (section B Art 3) "Each Chapter
selects one Council Member, by announcement of the Chapter to the
Chair of the Council."

I estimate that in practice such a resolution would mean that we could
not run the election for Chair until after the Milan conference, and I
would have no confidence that it would pass.

@Jan-Bart, as the only WMF trustee discussing this here so far, and as
the person who started this line of discussion, would the WMF trustees
be content to see me stay in place for so long whilst we reach a
consensus?

I was aiming to open nominations at midnight today my time, so
apologies if by the time you read this it is already too late to
change the schedule.

Thanks,
Fae

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Info: Election for WCA Chairperson

[Pharos]

On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Ziko van Dijk  wrote:
> 2013/2/25 Nathan :
>> That's one way of looking at it. Another is that the WCA is an
>> activity chapters can choose to participate in, or choose not to. To
>> the extent the WCA intends to "represent" its members, that
>> representation should be restricted to those chapters which have
>> specifically opted-in. I don't think an opt-out approach to membership
>> is ideal, at least for now.
>
> That's it, indeed. The membership is absolutely open for all approved
> chapters, the application process for the WCA is very easy: Send a
> message from the chapter board that a) "we want to join", b) "we know
> that the Charter is the organizational basis" and c) "This is our
> appointed Council Member". After Washington, I have written to the
> mailinglists and also individually to all chapters which didn't join
> already. Many did not even answer.
> So, allegations that the WCA is "exclusive" have no ground.
> Kind regards
> Ziko

Yes, it is fairly easy bureaucratically for a new chapter to join WCA.

But at this stage in WCA's embryonic development, when only about half
of the chapters have "officially" joined so far, I think it might
actually be a good idea to extend the suffrage for this particular
vote to all Affcom-recognized chapters.

I think this could lead to a renewed sense of community and global
buy-in while we're still at ground-level, and could help pave the way
for many more chapters signing on for "official" membership in the
medium-term future.

Thanks,
Richard
(User:Pharos)

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Info: Election for WCA Chairperson

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

Dariusz Jemielniak, 25/02/2013 16:59:

On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 4:46 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:


Of course it can legitimately represent only its members, while Jan-Bart
suggests to claim that it somehow represents also non-members that don't
mind participating in its discussions, by pretending they were invited to.



just a thought: if we substitute "represent" with "serve", we get much
better results, no?


Not in my sentence above; perhaps in someone else's, as Markus said (25 
Feb 2013 17:08:40 +0100). That's an unfortunate confusion, I'm glad that 
the chapters association didn't make this mistake.



While I am not entirely certain if all chapters require
"representation" (frankly, it may probably make sense only in terms of
relations with the WMF, I don't imagine, at least now, chapters from all
over the world suddenly needing external representation), clearly all
chapters need support.


Sure.

Nemo

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[Markus Glaser]

I think the point about "representing" vs. "serving" was well understood 
in the London meeting. The planned outcome is a series of actions that 
serve all the chapters and even other entities. This will be our main 
focus. As I said before, when it comes to "representing", though, an 
opt-in model is the best way to go.


Markus

Am 25.02.2013 17:04, schrieb Charles Andrès:

The opt-in model make sense to be sure that all members actually support the 
WCA and what can be said in the name of the WCA.

But this is IMHO the problem, the WCA has been presented like a body that 
should represent the chapters in negociation with the WMF, but it has been 
received like a body that will actually  serve the big european chapters in 
their negotiation with the WMF.

Thus it's normal that several chapters refuse to join an association that do 
not demonstrate its capacity to help every chapter, and not only the noisiest 
ones.


Charles

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Le 25 févr. 2013 à 16:45, Katherine Casey  a 
écrit :


Seconding Béria here - by common sense, a group called the "Wikimedia
Chapters Association" would represent the Wikimedia chapters. If it only
exists to represent "Wikimedia chapters that sign on to ideas X and Y, and
pledge Z, and attend meeting Q", then the name ought to be more
representative of that - "Biggest Wikimedia Chapters Association", or
"Wikimedia Europe", or "Wikimedia Chapter Politics Interest Group"...

-Fluffernutter

On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 10:37 AM, Béria Lima  wrote:


Well, since the WCA don't plan to represent all the chapters, it would be
good it changed the name to a more suitable representation of the truth
(that would be something like "European Chapters Association" based on the
people present in the last
meeting<
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Chapters_Association/Meetings/2013-07

)

to avoid confusion.
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construir esse sonho. *


On 25 February 2013 12:21, Dariusz Jemielniak  wrote:


On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Nathan  wrote:


The model of voting delegates the casting of votes to members of the
council; which are individuals, chosen by chapters. Purely from a
practical perspective, it may not be possible for chapters to get
council members in order by the deadline for this vote if they are not
already members. Additionally, it's important to distinguish in voting
between chapters abstaining and chapters simply not participating.
Choosing to be a member, while not exercising a vote, is effectively
assent to the outcome. This is not the case for those chapters which
have chosen not to join the WCA.


while I agree that in principle WCA should serve the large Wikimedia
community and its impact should definitely not be limited to members

only,

I believe it is quite dangerous from the point of view of governance to
separate membership from voting rights. Although  it could make perfect
sense to accept non-member chapter functionaries as candidates for the
board/chair/etc., the very right to vote should be reserved to those who
opt-in. Otherwise the chain of responsibility gets fuzzy, plus what

Nathan

wrote.

best,

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[Ziko van Dijk]

2013/2/25 Nathan :
> That's one way of looking at it. Another is that the WCA is an
> activity chapters can choose to participate in, or choose not to. To
> the extent the WCA intends to "represent" its members, that
> representation should be restricted to those chapters which have
> specifically opted-in. I don't think an opt-out approach to membership
> is ideal, at least for now.

That's it, indeed. The membership is absolutely open for all approved
chapters, the application process for the WCA is very easy: Send a
message from the chapter board that a) "we want to join", b) "we know
that the Charter is the organizational basis" and c) "This is our
appointed Council Member". After Washington, I have written to the
mailinglists and also individually to all chapters which didn't join
already. Many did not even answer.
So, allegations that the WCA is "exclusive" have no ground.
Kind regards
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Info: Election for WCA Chairperson

[Charles Andrès]

The opt-in model make sense to be sure that all members actually support the 
WCA and what can be said in the name of the WCA.

But this is IMHO the problem, the WCA has been presented like a body that 
should represent the chapters in negociation with the WMF, but it has been 
received like a body that will actually  serve the big european chapters in 
their negotiation with the WMF.

Thus it's normal that several chapters refuse to join an association that do 
not demonstrate its capacity to help every chapter, and not only the noisiest 
ones.


Charles

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Le 25 févr. 2013 à 16:45, Katherine Casey  a 
écrit :

> Seconding Béria here - by common sense, a group called the "Wikimedia
> Chapters Association" would represent the Wikimedia chapters. If it only
> exists to represent "Wikimedia chapters that sign on to ideas X and Y, and
> pledge Z, and attend meeting Q", then the name ought to be more
> representative of that - "Biggest Wikimedia Chapters Association", or
> "Wikimedia Europe", or "Wikimedia Chapter Politics Interest Group"...
> 
> -Fluffernutter
> 
> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 10:37 AM, Béria Lima  wrote:
> 
>> Well, since the WCA don't plan to represent all the chapters, it would be
>> good it changed the name to a more suitable representation of the truth
>> (that would be something like "European Chapters Association" based on the
>> people present in the last
>> meeting<
>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Chapters_Association/Meetings/2013-07
>>> )
>> to avoid confusion.
>> _
>> *Béria Lima*
>> 
>> *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
>> livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a
>> construir esse sonho. *
>> 
>> 
>> On 25 February 2013 12:21, Dariusz Jemielniak  wrote:
>> 
>>> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Nathan  wrote:
>>> 
 The model of voting delegates the casting of votes to members of the
 council; which are individuals, chosen by chapters. Purely from a
 practical perspective, it may not be possible for chapters to get
 council members in order by the deadline for this vote if they are not
 already members. Additionally, it's important to distinguish in voting
 between chapters abstaining and chapters simply not participating.
 Choosing to be a member, while not exercising a vote, is effectively
 assent to the outcome. This is not the case for those chapters which
 have chosen not to join the WCA.
 
>>> 
>>> while I agree that in principle WCA should serve the large Wikimedia
>>> community and its impact should definitely not be limited to members
>> only,
>>> I believe it is quite dangerous from the point of view of governance to
>>> separate membership from voting rights. Although  it could make perfect
>>> sense to accept non-member chapter functionaries as candidates for the
>>> board/chair/etc., the very right to vote should be reserved to those who
>>> opt-in. Otherwise the chain of responsibility gets fuzzy, plus what
>> Nathan
>>> wrote.
>>> 
>>> best,
>>> 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Info: Election for WCA Chairperson

[Anders Wennersten]

WM:SE opted out because they ware not comfortable with the statutes 
(being too far from the movement aim on openness, transparency etc) (I 
was not involved in this decision)


After last month discussion the sentiment has gone from "wait and see" 
to skeptical - good we are not involved. Ie WM:SE is further away just 
now being a member. To pinpoint that WCA is exclusive and not for all 
chapters will alienate WM:SE further, I expect


Personally I think WCA should be financed from FDC and serve all 
chapters. To be part of the council could be limited though to chapters 
actively involved. But openness and an aim to serve all chapters should 
in my opinion lead the voting for chair open to all chapters


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Info: Election for WCA Chairperson

[Dariusz Jemielniak]

On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 4:46 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:

> Of course it can legitimately represent only its members, while Jan-Bart
> suggests to claim that it somehow represents also non-members that don't
> mind participating in its discussions, by pretending they were invited to.
>

just a thought: if we substitute "represent" with "serve", we get much
better results, no? While I am not entirely certain if all chapters require
"representation" (frankly, it may probably make sense only in terms of
relations with the WMF, I don't imagine, at least now, chapters from all
over the world suddenly needing external representation), clearly all
chapters need support.

best,

dj
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Info: Election for WCA Chairperson

[Markus Glaser]

Am 25.02.2013 16:45, schrieb Katherine Casey:

Seconding Béria here - by common sense, a group called the "Wikimedia
Chapters Association" would represent the Wikimedia chapters. If it only
exists to represent "Wikimedia chapters that sign on to ideas X and Y, and
pledge Z, and attend meeting Q", then the name ought to be more
representative of that - "Biggest Wikimedia Chapters Association", or
"Wikimedia Europe", or "Wikimedia Chapter Politics Interest Group"...

-Fluffernutter



Quote from http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WCA_Charter:

Art. 1 [Purpose]: The purpose of the Association is

1. To further and represent the common interests of the Chapters within
   the Wikimedia movement;
2. To set, review, and enforce standards of accountability and
   participation among its members;
3. To facilitate the exchange of experiences, ideas, and knowledge
   within the Wikimedia movement;
4. To assist and support Chapters in their organizational development;
5. To develop common programs and projects;
6. and to serve as an umbrella organization for the Chapters in all
   other aspects not mentioned before.

Art. 2 [Values]: The Association values openness, transparency, and 
honesty about its mission, goals, policies, activities, governance, 
structure, funding and finances.


End of quote

I'd be happy to have a constructive discussion about this. Which of the 
values mentioned in the WCA Charter (which we currently require to be 
signed for membership) would be so scary that they keep a chapter  from 
joining in? Is there something missing? Please let me assure you that 
the WCA wants to be most inclusive and at best representing *all* 
chapters. So the question is, what keeps chapters away?


Best,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Info: Election for WCA Chairperson

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

«That representation should be co-extensive with taxation, not stopping 
short of it, but also not going beyond it, is in accordance with the 
theory of British institutions.»

http://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/m/mill/john_stuart/m645r/chapter8.html

Béria Lima, 25/02/2013 16:37:
> Well, since the WCA don't plan to represent all the chapters, [...]

Nobody said this. It doesn't plan to *mis*represent all chapters. Of 
course it can legitimately represent only its members, while Jan-Bart 
suggests to claim that it somehow represents also non-members that don't 
mind participating in its discussions, by pretending they were invited to.


Nemo

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[Markus Glaser]

Am 25.02.2013 16:37, schrieb Béria Lima:

Well, since the WCA don't plan to represent all the chapters, it would be
good it changed the name to a more suitable representation of the truth
(that would be something like "European Chapters Association" based on the
people present in the last
meeting)
to avoid confusion.

The WCA plans to represent all the chapters. That's at least a desire. 
But in order to represent, I think we need a mandate. We cannot 
represent a chapter / an entity without its consent, right? For me, 
that's the main reason for having an opt-in model. In my opinion, 
though, opting in should be as easy as putting the name of a 
representative here: 
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Chapters_Association/Membership.


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[Katherine Casey]

Seconding Béria here - by common sense, a group called the "Wikimedia
Chapters Association" would represent the Wikimedia chapters. If it only
exists to represent "Wikimedia chapters that sign on to ideas X and Y, and
pledge Z, and attend meeting Q", then the name ought to be more
representative of that - "Biggest Wikimedia Chapters Association", or
"Wikimedia Europe", or "Wikimedia Chapter Politics Interest Group"...

-Fluffernutter

On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 10:37 AM, Béria Lima  wrote:

> Well, since the WCA don't plan to represent all the chapters, it would be
> good it changed the name to a more suitable representation of the truth
> (that would be something like "European Chapters Association" based on the
> people present in the last
> meeting<
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Chapters_Association/Meetings/2013-07
> >)
> to avoid confusion.
> _
> *Béria Lima*
>
> *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
> livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a
> construir esse sonho. *
>
>
> On 25 February 2013 12:21, Dariusz Jemielniak  wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Nathan  wrote:
> >
> > > The model of voting delegates the casting of votes to members of the
> > >  council; which are individuals, chosen by chapters. Purely from a
> > > practical perspective, it may not be possible for chapters to get
> > > council members in order by the deadline for this vote if they are not
> > > already members. Additionally, it's important to distinguish in voting
> > > between chapters abstaining and chapters simply not participating.
> > > Choosing to be a member, while not exercising a vote, is effectively
> > > assent to the outcome. This is not the case for those chapters which
> > > have chosen not to join the WCA.
> > >
> >
> > while I agree that in principle WCA should serve the large Wikimedia
> > community and its impact should definitely not be limited to members
> only,
> > I believe it is quite dangerous from the point of view of governance to
> > separate membership from voting rights. Although  it could make perfect
> > sense to accept non-member chapter functionaries as candidates for the
> > board/chair/etc., the very right to vote should be reserved to those who
> > opt-in. Otherwise the chain of responsibility gets fuzzy, plus what
> Nathan
> > wrote.
> >
> > best,
> >
> > dariusz
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[Béria Lima]

Well, since the WCA don't plan to represent all the chapters, it would be
good it changed the name to a more suitable representation of the truth
(that would be something like "European Chapters Association" based on the
people present in the last
meeting)
to avoid confusion.
_
*Béria Lima*

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livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a
construir esse sonho. *


On 25 February 2013 12:21, Dariusz Jemielniak  wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Nathan  wrote:
>
> > The model of voting delegates the casting of votes to members of the
> >  council; which are individuals, chosen by chapters. Purely from a
> > practical perspective, it may not be possible for chapters to get
> > council members in order by the deadline for this vote if they are not
> > already members. Additionally, it's important to distinguish in voting
> > between chapters abstaining and chapters simply not participating.
> > Choosing to be a member, while not exercising a vote, is effectively
> > assent to the outcome. This is not the case for those chapters which
> > have chosen not to join the WCA.
> >
>
> while I agree that in principle WCA should serve the large Wikimedia
> community and its impact should definitely not be limited to members only,
> I believe it is quite dangerous from the point of view of governance to
> separate membership from voting rights. Although  it could make perfect
> sense to accept non-member chapter functionaries as candidates for the
> board/chair/etc., the very right to vote should be reserved to those who
> opt-in. Otherwise the chain of responsibility gets fuzzy, plus what Nathan
> wrote.
>
> best,
>
> dariusz
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[Dariusz Jemielniak]

On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Nathan  wrote:

> The model of voting delegates the casting of votes to members of the
>  council; which are individuals, chosen by chapters. Purely from a
> practical perspective, it may not be possible for chapters to get
> council members in order by the deadline for this vote if they are not
> already members. Additionally, it's important to distinguish in voting
> between chapters abstaining and chapters simply not participating.
> Choosing to be a member, while not exercising a vote, is effectively
> assent to the outcome. This is not the case for those chapters which
> have chosen not to join the WCA.
>

while I agree that in principle WCA should serve the large Wikimedia
community and its impact should definitely not be limited to members only,
I believe it is quite dangerous from the point of view of governance to
separate membership from voting rights. Although  it could make perfect
sense to accept non-member chapter functionaries as candidates for the
board/chair/etc., the very right to vote should be reserved to those who
opt-in. Otherwise the chain of responsibility gets fuzzy, plus what Nathan
wrote.

best,

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[Nathan]

On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Jan-Bart de Vreede
 wrote:


>
> And I am not sure that creating a membership model within a group of approved 
> chapters (who have therefore already passed the AffCom test) can be described 
> as a "democratic model". You are creating an preferred status. You could 
> argue that it is much more democratic to give all the approved organisations 
> a vote. After all the Chapters Association intends to help all chapters with 
> the exchange of knowledge of skills… regardless of wether they are a member 
> or not (that was the last status I heard).
>
> Jan-Bart

That's one way of looking at it. Another is that the WCA is an
activity chapters can choose to participate in, or choose not to. To
the extent the WCA intends to "represent" its members, that
representation should be restricted to those chapters which have
specifically opted-in. I don't think an opt-out approach to membership
is ideal, at least for now.

The model of voting delegates the casting of votes to members of the
council; which are individuals, chosen by chapters. Purely from a
practical perspective, it may not be possible for chapters to get
council members in order by the deadline for this vote if they are not
already members. Additionally, it's important to distinguish in voting
between chapters abstaining and chapters simply not participating.
Choosing to be a member, while not exercising a vote, is effectively
assent to the outcome. This is not the case for those chapters which
have chosen not to join the WCA.

~Nathan

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Info: Election for WCA Chairperson

[Jan-Bart de Vreede]

Hey Ziko

No actually we did not agree on that. We agreed that there were several reasons 
that chapters might not join the Chapters Association. Again: i do not know all 
the specifics and cannot give you the arguments for the chapters that did not 
join, but some certainly voiced a reluctance to become part of a membership 
organisation within the Wikimedia Movement, simply because they felt it was a 
bit much)

And I am not sure that creating a membership model within a group of approved 
chapters (who have therefore already passed the AffCom test) can be described 
as a "democratic model". You are creating an preferred status. You could argue 
that it is much more democratic to give all the approved organisations a vote. 
After all the Chapters Association intends to help all chapters with the 
exchange of knowledge of skills… regardless of wether they are a member or not 
(that was the last status I heard).

Jan-Bart



On Feb 25, 2013, at 1:13 AM, Ziko van Dijk  wrote:

> Jan-Bart, what you call a 'membership model' is a democratically
> established international NGO in which members have rights and obligations.
> It operates under a charter accepted by the chapters that joined. Maybe you
> would like to read the charter first, or think about the way the WMF (!)
> approves new chapters, or consider to improve the democratic character of
> the WMF before trying to undermine the WCA as such. I thought that we
> agreed in London that many chapters did not join because they now busy with
> other things.
> Ziko
> 
> 
> Am Montag, 25. Februar 2013 schrieb Fae :
> 
>> @Jan-Bart
>> One of the early discussions before agreeing the WCA charter was the
>> possibility of automatically counting all legally recognized chapters
>> as members. It was felt that this would not result in a credible
>> democratic process, indeed the current 21 members are not all very
>> active in votes and the current voting pattern shows participation at
>> around 2/3 of the members or less in any vote. If we counted all
>> Chapters, then a quorum would have to be set to be artificially
>> low.<
>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Chapters_Association/Resolutions/2012_votes
>>> 
>> 
>> Should any Chapter wish to vote in this election, they need only
>> provide a statement to me and then the new Council member sends in a
>> statement that they support the charter. The Council member need not
>> be on the board of the Chapter. There are no fees, there are no
>> specific duties and we are always looking for more light-weight ways
>> of handing our processes. Any Council member recognized before the
>> vote opens, will be eligible to vote.
>> 
>> @Newyorkbrad
>> My original thought was to allow an overall three week process, but
>> was put under pressure to do this quickly to make a clear
>> demonstration that I was going; however I would guess that opening the
>> election does this rather than bringing forward the deadline to close
>> it. I will take a look at the schedule again later today and
>> reconsider the deadlines. In practice, I have had the opposite
>> feedback from Council members, who thought that allowing 2 weeks for a
>> vote as our past custom, was unnecessarily long.
>> 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] 2012 Picture of the Year

[Daniel ~ Leinad]

Also on WMPL blog post was published on Friday:
http://blog.wikimedia.pl/2013/02/znamy-juz-najlepsze-zdjecie-wikipedii-z-2012-roku/
(before post on WMF blog :-) )

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2013/2/25 Tilman Bayer :
> Hi Stevie,
>
> Mono's blog post was published on Friday, less than half an hour after
> this email announcement. You can find it at
> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/02/22/winner-2012-picture-of-the-year/
> . Apologies that the link had not been posted here yet.
>
> The latest posts are always displayed on https://blog.wikimedia.org/ ,
> and usually also announced on social media (Twitter, Identi.ca,
> Facebook, Google+), as was this one.
>
> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 3:54 AM, Stevie Benton
>  wrote:
>> Congratulations to everyone involved!
>>
>> Will the link to the blog post be shared when it's published? Would be
>> great to share it with the UK folks.
>>
>> Thank and regards,
>>
>> Stevie
>>
>> On 23 February 2013 23:26, Guillaume Goursat >> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you to the commitee, the voters and all the editors who have uploaded
>>> a picture in 2012 :-)
>>>
>>> I want also to congratulate all the folks in Wikimedia France who have
>>> helped to produce the winning picture, with the project Phoebus [1] :-)
>>>
>>> Guillaume
>>>
>>> [1] : http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Projet_Phoebus
>>>
>>> 2013/2/24 Itzik Edri 
>>>
>>> > Just want to congratulate  and thanks everyone who been part of
>>> > the committee this year. Last year I criticized the long process and the
>>> > fact that we published the winners only in the middle of the year. This
>>> > year the announcement came kind of the beginning of the year. So good
>>> job!
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 8:44 PM, Mono  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > On behalf of the 2012 Picture of the Year committee, I'm proud to
>>> > announce
>>> > > the seventh Picture of the Year. About 4,000 Wikimedia editors helped
>>> > > select this marvelous image, shattering previous turnout records.
>>> > >
>>> > > You can view the top 12 results right now on Wikimedia Commons at
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/2012/Results
>>> > > .
>>> > > Stay tuned for a blog post on the Wikimedia blog and an upcoming 2014
>>> > > calendar from the top 12 images.
>>> > >
>>> > > The contest is a fun and enjoyable event that not only celebrates our
>>> > > excellent photographers and illustrators, but everyone who contributes
>>> to
>>> > > Wikimedia. You are encouraged to donate your own work to the Wikimedia
>>> > > Commons as our library of freely licensed media files grows past 16
>>> > million
>>> > > files.
>>> > >
>>> > > Thank you for your participation!
>>> > >
>>> > > User:Mono
>>> > > POTY 2012 Committee
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>>
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>> and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513.
>> Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street,
>> London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a
>> global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the
>> Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
>>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] 2012 Picture of the Year

[Stevie Benton]

Hi Tilman,

Thank you for getting back to me. I'll post this on the WMUK blog
(crediting Mono, of course) and link to the original.

Thanks and regards,

Stevie



On 25 February 2013 13:11, Tilman Bayer  wrote:

> Hi Stevie,
>
> Mono's blog post was published on Friday, less than half an hour after
> this email announcement. You can find it at
> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/02/22/winner-2012-picture-of-the-year/
> . Apologies that the link had not been posted here yet.
>
> The latest posts are always displayed on https://blog.wikimedia.org/ ,
> and usually also announced on social media (Twitter, Identi.ca,
> Facebook, Google+), as was this one.
>
> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 3:54 AM, Stevie Benton
>  wrote:
> > Congratulations to everyone involved!
> >
> > Will the link to the blog post be shared when it's published? Would be
> > great to share it with the UK folks.
> >
> > Thank and regards,
> >
> > Stevie
> >
> > On 23 February 2013 23:26, Guillaume Goursat <
> guillaume.gour...@wikimedia.fr
> >> wrote:
> >
> >> Thank you to the commitee, the voters and all the editors who have
> uploaded
> >> a picture in 2012 :-)
> >>
> >> I want also to congratulate all the folks in Wikimedia France who have
> >> helped to produce the winning picture, with the project Phoebus [1] :-)
> >>
> >> Guillaume
> >>
> >> [1] : http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Projet_Phoebus
> >>
> >> 2013/2/24 Itzik Edri 
> >>
> >> > Just want to congratulate  and thanks everyone who been part of
> >> > the committee this year. Last year I criticized the long process and
> the
> >> > fact that we published the winners only in the middle of the year.
> This
> >> > year the announcement came kind of the beginning of the year. So good
> >> job!
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 8:44 PM, Mono  wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > On behalf of the 2012 Picture of the Year committee, I'm proud to
> >> > announce
> >> > > the seventh Picture of the Year. About 4,000 Wikimedia editors
> helped
> >> > > select this marvelous image, shattering previous turnout records.
> >> > >
> >> > > You can view the top 12 results right now on Wikimedia Commons at
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/2012/Results
> >> > > .
> >> > > Stay tuned for a blog post on the Wikimedia blog and an upcoming
> 2014
> >> > > calendar from the top 12 images.
> >> > >
> >> > > The contest is a fun and enjoyable event that not only celebrates
> our
> >> > > excellent photographers and illustrators, but everyone who
> contributes
> >> to
> >> > > Wikimedia. You are encouraged to donate your own work to the
> Wikimedia
> >> > > Commons as our library of freely licensed media files grows past 16
> >> > million
> >> > > files.
> >> > >
> >> > > Thank you for your participation!
> >> > >
> >> > > User:Mono
> >> > > POTY 2012 Committee
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> > London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a
> > global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the
> > Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] 2012 Picture of the Year

[Tilman Bayer]

Hi Stevie,

Mono's blog post was published on Friday, less than half an hour after
this email announcement. You can find it at
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/02/22/winner-2012-picture-of-the-year/
. Apologies that the link had not been posted here yet.

The latest posts are always displayed on https://blog.wikimedia.org/ ,
and usually also announced on social media (Twitter, Identi.ca,
Facebook, Google+), as was this one.

On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 3:54 AM, Stevie Benton
 wrote:
> Congratulations to everyone involved!
>
> Will the link to the blog post be shared when it's published? Would be
> great to share it with the UK folks.
>
> Thank and regards,
>
> Stevie
>
> On 23 February 2013 23:26, Guillaume Goursat > wrote:
>
>> Thank you to the commitee, the voters and all the editors who have uploaded
>> a picture in 2012 :-)
>>
>> I want also to congratulate all the folks in Wikimedia France who have
>> helped to produce the winning picture, with the project Phoebus [1] :-)
>>
>> Guillaume
>>
>> [1] : http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Projet_Phoebus
>>
>> 2013/2/24 Itzik Edri 
>>
>> > Just want to congratulate  and thanks everyone who been part of
>> > the committee this year. Last year I criticized the long process and the
>> > fact that we published the winners only in the middle of the year. This
>> > year the announcement came kind of the beginning of the year. So good
>> job!
>> >
>> > On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 8:44 PM, Mono  wrote:
>> >
>> > > On behalf of the 2012 Picture of the Year committee, I'm proud to
>> > announce
>> > > the seventh Picture of the Year. About 4,000 Wikimedia editors helped
>> > > select this marvelous image, shattering previous turnout records.
>> > >
>> > > You can view the top 12 results right now on Wikimedia Commons at
>> > >
>> >
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/2012/Results
>> > > .
>> > > Stay tuned for a blog post on the Wikimedia blog and an upcoming 2014
>> > > calendar from the top 12 images.
>> > >
>> > > The contest is a fun and enjoyable event that not only celebrates our
>> > > excellent photographers and illustrators, but everyone who contributes
>> to
>> > > Wikimedia. You are encouraged to donate your own work to the Wikimedia
>> > > Commons as our library of freely licensed media files grows past 16
>> > million
>> > > files.
>> > >
>> > > Thank you for your participation!
>> > >
>> > > User:Mono
>> > > POTY 2012 Committee
>> > > ___
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> @StevieBenton
>
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> and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513.
> Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street,
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> global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the
> Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMCH resolution about providing a web conferencing system for the Wikimedia Movement

[Richard Nevell]

Thank you Manuel, this is precisely the kind of information I was hoping
for and will be very useful. I hope you've recovered from the flu!

Regards,
Richard Nevell

On 25 February 2013 12:14, Manuel Schneider
wrote:

> Hi Fæ and all,
>
> Richard already contacted me offlist concerning A/V equipment for
> conferences, so I thought it makes sense to reply on-list (Richard's in
> CC) to make this information available broadly.
>
> Anyway, I am not claiming that I have the best solution nor the best
> knowledge on this topic but some experience. Others please add their
> solutions and experiences.
>
> For an inexpensive audio and / or video conference we need components
> which we can easily connect to a PC and will be recognized by the
> operating system as simple audio or video inputs, like a webcam and a
> soundcard. If we stick to these standards we can use any conferencing
> software we want - be it Skype, Google Hangout or Big Blue Button (which
> uses simply Flash).
>
> == Video ==
> === Webcams ===
> Built-ins are always inferior to USB webcams, especially the angle due
> to their fixed position on the screen is bad.
>
> When buying a USB webcam make sure that it can be used as a standard USB
> imaging device. Don't buy webcams with a too high resolution! They have
> small lenses catching only a little light and higher resolutions
> typically mean darker / noisier images. 720p is good. You can't stream
> in HD anyway.
> Logitech C310 and C510 are good models.
>
> === Camcorder ===
> Camcorder have much bigger lenses and are much more flexible in their use:
> ** use a small tripod
> ** you can set whitebalance, manual focus, shutter...
> ** optical zoom
> ** tilting LC-display - turn around so people can see how the camera
> image looks like
> ** they can record simultaneously (on tape or SD card)
> Make sure your camcorder as a DV output (Firewire). Plug it into your
> computer and you can use the camcorder as a standard imaging device.
> Again, you don't need HD for a video conference. At least with the
> bigger lense and sensor or a camcorder it doesn't hurt too much.
>
> I use a Panasonic camcorder, a recommendation (and gift) from the
> Austrian Broadcaster (ORF): Panasonic NV-GS500.
>
> This little tripod can be expanded up to 1m but fits perfectly in a
> small bag and gets through hand-baggage on an airplane:
> http://www.amazon.de/Cullmann-50008-Stativ-Digi-Pod-long/dp/B000AM4N10
>
> == Audio ==
> === Microphones ===
> Built-in microphones are always inferior. This is true for camcorder
> mics, notebook mics... For most applications they are also way too far
> away from the audio source (your mouth).
>
>  Table / Conference Mics 
> Get extra mics. For a conference get a boundary layer microphone.
> * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PZM_%28microphone%29
> I got this one: http://www.thomann.de/gb/superlux_e304b.htm
> Like most professional mics it needs phanton power and comes with a
> simmetrical connection (XLR). Symmetrical connections are less prone to
> noise and other negative impact on the cabling.
>
>  Gooseneck Mics 
> If you need better audio quality then you need to get individual mics
> for each participant. Goosenecks are best here, especially when you get
> them with on-off switches, so they participants can switch themselves to
> avoid disturbances.
> Bundle, not switchable: http://www.thomann.de/gb/samson_cm_20_p_bundle.htm
> Mic stand w/ switch: http://www.thomann.de/gb/km_29375.htm
>
> === Soundcards ===
> Built-in soundcards don't work for professional audio equipment. They
> have noise and the line input / mic input jacks don't have the right
> impedances. Their power supply for condenser mics is mostly incompatible
> to what we want to use.
>
> There are great mixers which have a soundcard integrated. So you can
> just plug all audio equipment together in your mixer, check the quality
> via headset, plug it into your computer and get the sound right their on
> its own audio channels. Just make sure before you buy a mixer that it
> supports the USB 1.1 standard! USB 2.0 only means that you need special
> drivers and might end up not having a generic sound interface available
> in your OS.
>
> For only two mics (eg. PZM / boundary layer) I got myself this little
> sound card. It even has a small VU meter, so you can check the volume
> without a headset.
> http://www.thomann.de/gb/alesis_io2_express.htm
> Big advantage is that this device is USB-powered. No additional cables
> on you table and no additional source of noise in your audio system!
>
> For bigger setups I got me this:
> http://www.thomann.de/gb/behringer_xenyx_x1832_usb.htm
> This one also supports 2-track-input so you can do more complicated
> things like sound routing - this was needed to handle live translation
> of Sue Gardners visit at Wikimedia Deutschlands General Assembly. I
> streamed / recorded on two different back planes and switched the input
> planes between translation and original audio 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMCH resolution about providing a web conferencing system for the Wikimedia Movement

[Manuel Schneider]

Hi Fæ and all,

Richard already contacted me offlist concerning A/V equipment for
conferences, so I thought it makes sense to reply on-list (Richard's in
CC) to make this information available broadly.

Anyway, I am not claiming that I have the best solution nor the best
knowledge on this topic but some experience. Others please add their
solutions and experiences.

For an inexpensive audio and / or video conference we need components
which we can easily connect to a PC and will be recognized by the
operating system as simple audio or video inputs, like a webcam and a
soundcard. If we stick to these standards we can use any conferencing
software we want - be it Skype, Google Hangout or Big Blue Button (which
uses simply Flash).

== Video ==
=== Webcams ===
Built-ins are always inferior to USB webcams, especially the angle due
to their fixed position on the screen is bad.

When buying a USB webcam make sure that it can be used as a standard USB
imaging device. Don't buy webcams with a too high resolution! They have
small lenses catching only a little light and higher resolutions
typically mean darker / noisier images. 720p is good. You can't stream
in HD anyway.
Logitech C310 and C510 are good models.

=== Camcorder ===
Camcorder have much bigger lenses and are much more flexible in their use:
** use a small tripod
** you can set whitebalance, manual focus, shutter...
** optical zoom
** tilting LC-display - turn around so people can see how the camera
image looks like
** they can record simultaneously (on tape or SD card)
Make sure your camcorder as a DV output (Firewire). Plug it into your
computer and you can use the camcorder as a standard imaging device.
Again, you don't need HD for a video conference. At least with the
bigger lense and sensor or a camcorder it doesn't hurt too much.

I use a Panasonic camcorder, a recommendation (and gift) from the
Austrian Broadcaster (ORF): Panasonic NV-GS500.

This little tripod can be expanded up to 1m but fits perfectly in a
small bag and gets through hand-baggage on an airplane:
http://www.amazon.de/Cullmann-50008-Stativ-Digi-Pod-long/dp/B000AM4N10

== Audio ==
=== Microphones ===
Built-in microphones are always inferior. This is true for camcorder
mics, notebook mics... For most applications they are also way too far
away from the audio source (your mouth).

 Table / Conference Mics 
Get extra mics. For a conference get a boundary layer microphone.
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PZM_%28microphone%29
I got this one: http://www.thomann.de/gb/superlux_e304b.htm
Like most professional mics it needs phanton power and comes with a
simmetrical connection (XLR). Symmetrical connections are less prone to
noise and other negative impact on the cabling.

 Gooseneck Mics 
If you need better audio quality then you need to get individual mics
for each participant. Goosenecks are best here, especially when you get
them with on-off switches, so they participants can switch themselves to
avoid disturbances.
Bundle, not switchable: http://www.thomann.de/gb/samson_cm_20_p_bundle.htm
Mic stand w/ switch: http://www.thomann.de/gb/km_29375.htm

=== Soundcards ===
Built-in soundcards don't work for professional audio equipment. They
have noise and the line input / mic input jacks don't have the right
impedances. Their power supply for condenser mics is mostly incompatible
to what we want to use.

There are great mixers which have a soundcard integrated. So you can
just plug all audio equipment together in your mixer, check the quality
via headset, plug it into your computer and get the sound right their on
its own audio channels. Just make sure before you buy a mixer that it
supports the USB 1.1 standard! USB 2.0 only means that you need special
drivers and might end up not having a generic sound interface available
in your OS.

For only two mics (eg. PZM / boundary layer) I got myself this little
sound card. It even has a small VU meter, so you can check the volume
without a headset.
http://www.thomann.de/gb/alesis_io2_express.htm
Big advantage is that this device is USB-powered. No additional cables
on you table and no additional source of noise in your audio system!

For bigger setups I got me this:
http://www.thomann.de/gb/behringer_xenyx_x1832_usb.htm
This one also supports 2-track-input so you can do more complicated
things like sound routing - this was needed to handle live translation
of Sue Gardners visit at Wikimedia Deutschlands General Assembly. I
streamed / recorded on two different back planes and switched the input
planes between translation and original audio so we had english always
on one back plane and german on the other.

These soundcards work fine under Linux with the generic USB audio driver.

=== Speakers 
Better in virtual conferences would be headphones. Everyone knows the
negative effects in Skype meetings if somebody doesn't use a headset.
Echos and other disturbances.

Put the speakers far away from the mics but so you can still hear we

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Term limits for WMF board members?

[Fae]

On 25 February 2013 11:43, Thomas Dalton  wrote:
> On 25 February 2013 11:30, Fae  wrote:
>> The UK Chapter appreciated this recommendation from Compass which
>> re-enforced the board's past discussions in this area
>
> What discussions did it reinforce? The last discussion about term
> limits I'm aware of (February 2012, if memory serves) was very short
> because the board was unanimously against it. It sounds like there has
> been a big swing since then...

I think we must have been in different meetings, my intuitive sense
tells me that the board has never been unanimously against it though I
would be happy to be corrected against the minutes. I have always been
for term limits, and the classic 2x3 limit suggested by Compass
happens to fit perfectly with discussion the board had about a term
limit of a maximum of 5 or 6 years. This dates as far back as
discussions when Andrew was Chairman, and though we always want to
retain continuity and the knowledge that long serving volunteers
offer, this must be balanced against ensuring suitable turn-over as
part of a demonstration of openness.

In practice, we still draw upon ex-trustees with brains full of
valuable knowledge by adopting them as advisor, associates, inviting
them to join Committees or having them retained as committed and
recognized leading volunteers. I would like to see past trustees
re-join the board after a year or more away doing more interesting
things, I have been around long enough to appreciate their value and
special talents, especially yours Tom.

Cheers,
Fae

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] 2012 Picture of the Year

[Stevie Benton]

Congratulations to everyone involved!

Will the link to the blog post be shared when it's published? Would be
great to share it with the UK folks.

Thank and regards,

Stevie

On 23 February 2013 23:26, Guillaume Goursat  wrote:

> Thank you to the commitee, the voters and all the editors who have uploaded
> a picture in 2012 :-)
>
> I want also to congratulate all the folks in Wikimedia France who have
> helped to produce the winning picture, with the project Phoebus [1] :-)
>
> Guillaume
>
> [1] : http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Projet_Phoebus
>
> 2013/2/24 Itzik Edri 
>
> > Just want to congratulate  and thanks everyone who been part of
> > the committee this year. Last year I criticized the long process and the
> > fact that we published the winners only in the middle of the year. This
> > year the announcement came kind of the beginning of the year. So good
> job!
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 8:44 PM, Mono  wrote:
> >
> > > On behalf of the 2012 Picture of the Year committee, I'm proud to
> > announce
> > > the seventh Picture of the Year. About 4,000 Wikimedia editors helped
> > > select this marvelous image, shattering previous turnout records.
> > >
> > > You can view the top 12 results right now on Wikimedia Commons at
> > >
> >
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/2012/Results
> > > .
> > > Stay tuned for a blog post on the Wikimedia blog and an upcoming 2014
> > > calendar from the top 12 images.
> > >
> > > The contest is a fun and enjoyable event that not only celebrates our
> > > excellent photographers and illustrators, but everyone who contributes
> to
> > > Wikimedia. You are encouraged to donate your own work to the Wikimedia
> > > Commons as our library of freely licensed media files grows past 16
> > million
> > > files.
> > >
> > > Thank you for your participation!
> > >
> > > User:Mono
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Term limits for WMF board members?

[Thomas Dalton]

On 25 February 2013 11:30, Fae  wrote:
> The UK Chapter appreciated this recommendation from Compass which
> re-enforced the board's past discussions in this area

What discussions did it reinforce? The last discussion about term
limits I'm aware of (February 2012, if memory serves) was very short
because the board was unanimously against it. It sounds like there has
been a big swing since then...

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Term limits for WMF board members?

[Fae]

On 24 February 2013 17:14, Alice Wiegand  wrote:
...
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Democratizing_the_Wikimedia_Foundation#Result_of_the_Board.27s_discussion_about_term_limits

I am pleased to see that the WMF notes that term limits "are
recommended by Compass Partnership for WMUK's Board" and has taken
this into account, even though the conclusion is that the WMF board
prefers to not be bound by "a hard rule".

The UK Chapter appreciated this recommendation from Compass which
re-enforced the board's past discussions in this area, and personally
I would hope to see this pass as a change to process in our next
general meeting or as advised by our Governance Committee. I would
recommend this improvement to every maturing Chapter, the WMF board,
and every other long term management board, as our collective
demonstration that we are fully committed to adopting charity best
practice in our governance processes.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Term limits for WMF board members?

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

Alice Wiegand, 24/02/2013 18:14:

Hi everybody,
as proposed the Board discussed the issue of term limits at its last
meeting in San Francisco. You find the outcome on Meta:

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Democratizing_the_Wikimedia_Foundation#Result_of_the_Board.27s_discussion_about_term_limits


Thanks for letting us know.
TL;DR: nothing at all is going to change, the usual official positions 
on the matter have been reiterated.


Nemo

P.s.: LOL, "The debate around these elections is lively", seriously? 55 
participants including IPs and vandals, remember. ;)


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Info: Election for WCA Chairperson

[Bence Damokos]

On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Bence Damokos  wrote:

>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Thomas Dalton 
> wrote:
>
>> On Feb 25, 2013 9:41 AM, "James Alexander"  wrote:
>> > Err  ok, I'm sorry but this actually moves to the realms of scary.
>> You
>> > require the new Council member to send in a statement ... pledging
>> loyalty
>> > essentially? I don't see anything in the charter that would require
>> > something like that, is it in your remit as chair? Sadly that just
>> sounds
>> > like a way to force out reformers, if you don't support the charter you
>> > can't join the council? How do you expect to get things to change when
>> > necessary?
>>
>> I'm hoping that was just a poor choice of words and Fae doesn't mean they
>> have to support the charter, just that they have to agree to follow the
>> charter. If they do have to support the charter, then that is excessive
>> and
>> undesirable.
>>
> Probably this type of discussions over the meaning of technical English
> words (after all, I hope that "supporting the Charter" includes supporting
> the part about amendments) and the fact that inviting chapters to become
> members was never really pursued more enthusiastically than stating that 1)
> becoming a member just takes "these easy steps" therefore 2) logically,
> every chapter can make the rational choice whether to join and if they
> haven't yet decided to join that is probably because they haven't had time
> to realize that this is the correct choice, probably "because they are not
> active or too busy with other things" are some of the reasons for many
> chapters not joining.
> At least, this was my personal perception at the time I was still a
> chapter board member; I fear that this model might not work in attracting
> new members (especially as the history to process is growing, so it makes
> more difficult to make an informed decision) and some more active and
> welcoming outreach might bring better results.
>
> In that light, I think Jan Bart's suggestion to give voice to all chapters
> and set up structures that are open not only in principle but practice is a
> good idea. (Although, with that in mind, the choice of the chairperson -
> especially as he needs to be a council member - seems like an internal
> matter, so there might not be big benefits in extending the right to vote.)
>
> Best regards,
> Bence
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Info: Election for WCA Chairperson

[Bence Damokos]

On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Thomas Dalton wrote:

> On Feb 25, 2013 9:41 AM, "James Alexander"  wrote:
> > Err  ok, I'm sorry but this actually moves to the realms of scary.
> You
> > require the new Council member to send in a statement ... pledging
> loyalty
> > essentially? I don't see anything in the charter that would require
> > something like that, is it in your remit as chair? Sadly that just sounds
> > like a way to force out reformers, if you don't support the charter you
> > can't join the council? How do you expect to get things to change when
> > necessary?
>
> I'm hoping that was just a poor choice of words and Fae doesn't mean they
> have to support the charter, just that they have to agree to follow the
> charter. If they do have to support the charter, then that is excessive and
> undesirable.
>
Probably this type of discussions over the meaning of technical English
words after all, I hope that "supporting the Charter" includes supporting
the part about amendments) and the fact that inviting chapters to become
members was never really pursued more enthusiastically than stating that 1)
becoming a member just takes "these easy steps" therefore 2) logically,
every chapter can make the rational choice whether to join and if they
haven't yet decided to join that is probably because they haven't had time
to realize that this is the correct choice, probably "because they are not
active or too busy with other things."
At least, this was my personal perception at the time I was still a chapter
board member; I fear that this model might not work in attracting new
members (especially as the history to process is growing, so it makes more
difficult to make an informed decision) and some more active and welcoming
outreach might bring better results.

In that light, I think Jan Bart's suggestion to give voice to all chapters
and set up structures that are open not only in principle but practice is a
good idea. (Although, with that in mind, the choice of the chairperson -
especially as he needs to be a council member - seems like an internal
matter, so there might not be big benefits in extending the right to vote.)

Best regards,
Bence
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Info: Election for WCA Chairperson

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

Thomas Dalton, 25/02/2013 10:50:

On Feb 25, 2013 9:41 AM, "James Alexander"  wrote:

Err  ok, I'm sorry but this actually moves to the realms of scary. You
require the new Council member to send in a statement ... pledging loyalty
essentially? I don't see anything in the charter that would require
something like that, is it in your remit as chair? Sadly that just sounds
like a way to force out reformers, if you don't support the charter you
can't join the council? How do you expect to get things to change when
necessary?


I'm hoping that was just a poor choice of words and Fae doesn't mean they
have to support the charter, just that they have to agree to follow the
charter. If they do have to support the charter, then that is excessive and
undesirable.


Again, I'm unable to grasp the supposed difference, is this a native 
speakers-only point or does it carry some actual relevance?
Adhering to, following or supporting the charter all mean the same to 
me. The charter includes rules for its democratical reformation...



Nemo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Info: Election for WCA Chairperson

[Fae]

On 25 February 2013 09:40, James Alexander  wrote:
> Err  ok, I'm sorry but this actually moves to the realms of scary. You
> require the new Council member to send in a statement ... pledging loyalty
> essentially? I don't see anything in the charter that would require
> something like that, is it in your remit as chair? Sadly that just sounds
> like a way to force out reformers, if you don't support the charter you
> can't join the council? How do you expect to get things to change when
> necessary?

The charter is very basic. If you want to turn the organization upside
down, throw away the charter or sack the Chair, it's very easy, you
just put forward a resolution. The wording on

is:
:"Declare that your chapter, and the appointed Council Member, respect
the WCA Charter."

If you fundamentally disagree with the existence of the WCA, then it
would be odd to join it. I believe it is entirely possible to join the
WCA with the ambition of changing it, in fact I would love for more
Council members to join with reformation agendas as it would bring
plenty of energy into discussions.

As for scary, well, I can't comment, many folks seem to find me scary
which puzzles me immensely.

Cheers,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Info: Election for WCA Chairperson

[Thomas Dalton]

On Feb 25, 2013 9:41 AM, "James Alexander"  wrote:
> Err  ok, I'm sorry but this actually moves to the realms of scary. You
> require the new Council member to send in a statement ... pledging loyalty
> essentially? I don't see anything in the charter that would require
> something like that, is it in your remit as chair? Sadly that just sounds
> like a way to force out reformers, if you don't support the charter you
> can't join the council? How do you expect to get things to change when
> necessary?

I'm hoping that was just a poor choice of words and Fae doesn't mean they
have to support the charter, just that they have to agree to follow the
charter. If they do have to support the charter, then that is excessive and
undesirable.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Info: Election for WCA Chairperson

[James Alexander]

On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 12:45 AM, Fae  wrote:

> @Jan-Bart
> One of the early discussions before agreeing the WCA charter was the
> possibility of automatically counting all legally recognized chapters
> as members. It was felt that this would not result in a credible
> democratic process, indeed the current 21 members are not all very
> active in votes and the current voting pattern shows participation at
> around 2/3 of the members or less in any vote. If we counted all

Chapters, then a quorum would have to be set to be artificially
> low.<
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Chapters_Association/Resolutions/2012_votes
> >
>
> Should any Chapter wish to vote in this election, they need only
> provide a statement to me and then the new Council member sends in a
> statement that they support the charter. The Council member need not
> be on the board of the Chapter. There are no fees, there are no
> specific duties and we are always looking for more light-weight ways
> of handing our processes. Any Council member recognized before the
> vote opens, will be eligible to vote.
>
>
Err  ok, I'm sorry but this actually moves to the realms of scary. You
require the new Council member to send in a statement ... pledging loyalty
essentially? I don't see anything in the charter that would require
something like that, is it in your remit as chair? Sadly that just sounds
like a way to force out reformers, if you don't support the charter you
can't join the council? How do you expect to get things to change when
necessary?

James
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Info: Election for WCA Chairperson

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

Jan-Bart de Vreede, 25/02/2013 02:36:

So I would not dare speak for the specific chapters, but I gather some of them 
did not want to join simply because they did not like the membership model.


Could you elaborate? I don't get the grammatical meaning of this sentence.

Nemo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Info: Election for WCA Chairperson

[Ziko van Dijk]

Jan-Bart, what you call a 'membership model' is a democratically
established international NGO in which members have rights and obligations.
It operates under a charter accepted by the chapters that joined. Maybe you
would like to read the charter first, or think about the way the WMF (!)
approves new chapters, or consider to improve the democratic character of
the WMF before trying to undermine the WCA as such. I thought that we
agreed in London that many chapters did not join because they now busy with
other things.
Ziko


Am Montag, 25. Februar 2013 schrieb Fae :

> @Jan-Bart
> One of the early discussions before agreeing the WCA charter was the
> possibility of automatically counting all legally recognized chapters
> as members. It was felt that this would not result in a credible
> democratic process, indeed the current 21 members are not all very
> active in votes and the current voting pattern shows participation at
> around 2/3 of the members or less in any vote. If we counted all
> Chapters, then a quorum would have to be set to be artificially
> low.<
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Chapters_Association/Resolutions/2012_votes
> >
>
> Should any Chapter wish to vote in this election, they need only
> provide a statement to me and then the new Council member sends in a
> statement that they support the charter. The Council member need not
> be on the board of the Chapter. There are no fees, there are no
> specific duties and we are always looking for more light-weight ways
> of handing our processes. Any Council member recognized before the
> vote opens, will be eligible to vote.
>
> @Newyorkbrad
> My original thought was to allow an overall three week process, but
> was put under pressure to do this quickly to make a clear
> demonstration that I was going; however I would guess that opening the
> election does this rather than bringing forward the deadline to close
> it. I will take a look at the schedule again later today and
> reconsider the deadlines. In practice, I have had the opposite
> feedback from Council members, who thought that allowing 2 weeks for a
> vote as our past custom, was unnecessarily long.
>
> Thanks,
> Fae
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Are chapters part of the community and board seats for affiliates?

[Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton]

The chapters is part of the Movement, and the guys inside the chapter too.

*"a collection of organizations (Wikimedia Foundation, Wikimedia chapters
etc.), as well as individuals and similar-minded organizations."  *-
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Movement

Is very easy to understand, just replace Chapter by another NGO
partner,sometimes not
all people inside the NGO are imbued in helping the Wikimedia Movement,
however as the institution supports the Movement, it is part of the
Movement regardless
of who is in there.



On 24 February 2013 07:27, Balázs Viczián wrote:

> Maybe I wasn't clear enough, imo chapters are NOT part of the communities
> (nor the global community), just a tool for them to achieve certain goals
> that otherwise would be much more difficult or (almost) impossible to
> reach.
>
> Balázs
> 2013.02.24. 10:34, "Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton" 
> ezt írta:
>
> > Two things, one is, I do not know why these discussions are not held in a
> > Wiki
> > ( ie meta), which is easier to document and much easier to follow.
> >
> > The second point:
> >
> > I think the chapters are a significant part of the community, however, as
> > only
> > one part, the chapters can not, should not speak for the whole. Thus,
> > it is interesting
> > to have people with most varied visions, perhaps because chapter people
> is
> > not interesting some kind of group, but for others from the Movement,
> that
> > affiliation is What they need. More than that, if you only choose people
> of
> > the chapters, you will never have different visions, so you always
> forced,
> > in
> > a way, that group fits in your reality, or be like a "European" chapter.
> >
> >
> > observations
> >
> >
> >- If there is doubt as what's the chapter role in the Movement, how
> can
> >we know what is a chapter? Why is there so much energy lost in
> >bureaucracies, rather than focusing on activities? Chapters are
> > made to perform
> >activities? If yes, so why not prioritize the best local structures
> for
> >this to occur? If not, why choose people from chapter to decide about
> >other types of groups that only will do activities?
> >- Why AffCom discussions are closed, since you are not the whole
> >community? Why need to be so few people, and so obscure? Why not
> follow
> > the
> >other current processes and make openings for communities?
> >- If a chapter is something that is done to serve the needs of online
> >communities, and people of the chapters make decisions without
> > consulting these
> >communities, without discussing the annual planning, or strategic
> >planning with these communities, how can they accomplish what online
> >communities want? And thinking in that, how they will those who is the
> >best group for affiliation for the communities?
> >
> >
> >
> > On 23 February 2013 15:48, Federico Leva (Nemo) 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I see some fundamental misunderstandings here, which make this
> discussion
> > > so far not so productive and for which I am/was planning a reply...
> > > however, in the end I doubt I'd manage to say it better than Anthere:
> > > http://article.gmane.org/**gmane.org.wikimedia.**foundation/6652<
> > http://article.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.foundation/6652>
> > >
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> > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Info: Election for WCA Chairperson

[Fae]

@Jan-Bart
One of the early discussions before agreeing the WCA charter was the
possibility of automatically counting all legally recognized chapters
as members. It was felt that this would not result in a credible
democratic process, indeed the current 21 members are not all very
active in votes and the current voting pattern shows participation at
around 2/3 of the members or less in any vote. If we counted all
Chapters, then a quorum would have to be set to be artificially
low.

Should any Chapter wish to vote in this election, they need only
provide a statement to me and then the new Council member sends in a
statement that they support the charter. The Council member need not
be on the board of the Chapter. There are no fees, there are no
specific duties and we are always looking for more light-weight ways
of handing our processes. Any Council member recognized before the
vote opens, will be eligible to vote.

@Newyorkbrad
My original thought was to allow an overall three week process, but
was put under pressure to do this quickly to make a clear
demonstration that I was going; however I would guess that opening the
election does this rather than bringing forward the deadline to close
it. I will take a look at the schedule again later today and
reconsider the deadlines. In practice, I have had the opposite
feedback from Council members, who thought that allowing 2 weeks for a
vote as our past custom, was unnecessarily long.

Thanks,
Fae
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[Wikimedia-l] New board of Wikimedia Taiwan for 2013~2014

[Ted Chien]

Hi all,

Just to let you know that we have board changes in Wikimedia Taiwan. At 
December 15 Saturday we have held AGM in Taipei and we have elected the new 
board. Here's the new board members:

* Hsiang-Tai Chien (aka Ted, User:Htchien), Chairman (former Secretary), 
hsiangtai.ch...@gmail.com (mailto:hsiangtai.ch...@gmail.com)
* Jui-Lin Chen (aka Dennis, zh:User:Supaplex), Secretary (new), 
b92612...@gmail.com
* Chung-Ming Wang (zh:User:Mingwangx), Member (re-elected), mingwa...@gmail.com
* Yuan Chang (zh:User:Ffaarr), Member (reelected)
* Shih-Han Lin (aka Alex, User:Alexsh), Member (new), alexsh...@gmail.com
* Tsun-En Chang (aka Andrew, User:Ch.andrew), Member (new), 
chandrew1...@gmail.com
* Yu-Chen Hsu (aka KJ, User:KaurJmeb), Supervisory Member (former Member)
* Cheng-Yi Chang (aka MGDesigner, User:Shoichi), Supervisory Member (former 
Member), shoichi.c...@gmail.com
* Hsiao-Ting Yu (User:Littlebtc), Supervisory Member (new)

We also approved the followings in the AGM:

* 2012 Activity & Financial Annual Report
 
* Future Plans for 2013:

** Rework plan for our official website (it's been scheduled to be online 
before end of February).

** Wikimedia Promotional Project

We have planned to do promotional activities in following aspects in 2013:

1. Promotions in Campus.
2. Local Wikis (Wikis for local residents)

** Wikimedia Volunteer Certification Program 

Currently Universities in Taiwan are been requested by the government to make 
students to attend some volunteer programs to get credits each semester, so we 
wish to approach them via this program.

More reports from Wikimedia Taiwan will be available soon.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMCH resolution about providing a web conferencing system for the Wikimedia Movement

[Manuel Schneider]

Am 22.02.2013 10:46, schrieb Charles Andrès:> Deployment is planned for
the next Wikimedia Conference in Milan.
>
> In the meantime, people interested in getting access to the tools can
contact us by email at supp...@wikimedia.ch, with a simple description
of the project, an estimation of the number of people interested and the
frequency of usage.

As the one who does this job: *briefly waiving hello*

Many of you wait for responses from me since last week - I take the
opportunity of this wide-spread mail to quickly response that I am still
alive, I just caught a bad case of Flu in London and was totally
grounded while I was in Vienna and supposed to set up the office network
of Wikimedia Österreich.

It will take a while until I have catched up with all my e-mail.

/Manuel
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