Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing the Wikimedia Affiliates mailing list

2015-10-21 Thread Nathan
The purpose of "privacy" on a mailing list with hundreds of subscribers is to avoid easy scrutiny and to bar participation from those who aren't an approved member of the club. Note that affiliates can't simply add subscribers; they have to request them. So the questions are - is a private club con

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing the Wikimedia Affiliates mailing list

2015-10-21 Thread Samuel Klein
Chris writes: > My preferred option would be to either ditch the Chapters mailing list or > make it announce-only, scrap Internal-l entirely, and have an "affiliates" > list that is open. There is room for a private list that's only for confidential topics; but the right list for that may already

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing the Wikimedia Affiliates mailing list

2015-10-21 Thread Gnangarra
" it's not good to give publicly comments on the candidates." Why is that > so? > And candidates? To what? ​To answer that second part first where ever the affiliates as group are represented by an individual. The first part is simple privacy and doing no harm to that individual ​ On 21 O

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing the Wikimedia Affiliates mailing list

2015-10-21 Thread Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton
*q.e.d.* no arguments, nothing more to add, just ''ad hominem'', and provocations. On 21 October 2015 at 13:08, Ilario Valdelli wrote: > I will be simple like explaining it to a baby. > > On 21.10.2015 16:29, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton wrote: > >> How about less provocations, attempts to breakdown

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing the Wikimedia Affiliates mailing list

2015-10-21 Thread Ilario Valdelli
I will be simple like explaining it to a baby. On 21.10.2015 16:29, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton wrote: How about less provocations, attempts to breakdown the conversation with violence, and support our idea in a civilized manner ? So " it's not good to give publicly comments on the candidates.", why

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing the Wikimedia Affiliates mailing list

2015-10-21 Thread Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton
How about less provocations, attempts to breakdown the conversation with violence, and support our idea in a civilized manner ? So " it's not good to give publicly comments on the candidates.", why do you think that? I am not understanding your affirmation, because you did not offer any argument t

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing the Wikimedia Affiliates mailing list

2015-10-21 Thread Ilario Valdelli
The spirit of the Wikimedia Movement I suppose is to be "respectful" of each person. There is the freedom to be informed, there is the freedom of the opinion but these freedoms have limits and the limits are set where another freedom starts because I think that it's clear that there are other

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing the Wikimedia Affiliates mailing list

2015-10-21 Thread Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton
That's the spirit of Wikimedia Movement, censorship... I was talking about the list, you said: " it's not good to give publicly comments on the candidates." and I asked why, you decided not answer. And you know that AffCom screwed WMBR, so don't come with "If you are member of a chapter, please a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing the Wikimedia Affiliates mailing list

2015-10-21 Thread Ilario Valdelli
If you are member of a chapter, please ask internally to your chapter, not to me. Before participating to this thread I was really clear: please address any comment of the affiliated selected board seats in another place. Here we are speaking of the mailing list. It means that, following my

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing the Wikimedia Affiliates mailing list

2015-10-21 Thread Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton
This do not answers any of my questions... opacity even in the talk, the via will not make any difference. On 21 October 2015 at 10:43, Ilario Valdelli wrote: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliate-selected_Board_seats > > > On 21.10.2015 14:09, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton wrote: > >> " it's no

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing the Wikimedia Affiliates mailing list

2015-10-21 Thread Ilario Valdelli
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliate-selected_Board_seats On 21.10.2015 14:09, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton wrote: " it's not good to give publicly comments on the candidates." Why is that so? And candidates? To what? On 21 October 2015 at 06:12, Ilario Valdelli wrote: Exactly, the problem i

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing the Wikimedia Affiliates mailing list

2015-10-21 Thread Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton
" it's not good to give publicly comments on the candidates." Why is that so? And candidates? To what? On 21 October 2015 at 06:12, Ilario Valdelli wrote: > Exactly, the problem is the manageability. > > At the moment chapters list is more or less manageable because it needs > few subscribers pe

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing the Wikimedia Affiliates mailing list

2015-10-21 Thread Ilario Valdelli
Exactly, the problem is the manageability. At the moment chapters list is more or less manageable because it needs few subscribers per chapter. The chapters mailing list must be kept "private" because it's not good to give publicly comments on the candidates. The need of privacy is crucial.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing the Wikimedia Affiliates mailing list

2015-10-21 Thread Gnangarra
the proliferation of lists is also an issue as someone who's been on a chapter committee for 2 years and going into my third finding the right lists to join is a problem. When you rely solely on electronic means of contact you never get the knowledge of the where discussions are taking place and a