Re: [Wikimedia-l] Access and Participation in the ASBS

2016-03-05 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I am the last one to say that multi-linguality is not important. However, given that the affiliates board is selected by an organisation that NEEDS to communicate in English, I disagree. It is vital for people of the affiliates to have a reasonable understanding of English and when they do

[Wikimedia-l] Access and Participation in the ASBS

2016-03-05 Thread attolippip
Dear all, As you are (probably) aware, the 2016 affiliate-selected Board seats process has started already. And I do think that the process is broken somewhere [1]. The democracy principles even in my country, though it is far from being a role model for transparency and governance, state that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open and recorded WMF Board meetings

2016-03-05 Thread Anthony Cole
Recordings of board meetings will be of value to future historians. Anthony Cole On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Pete Forsyth wrote: > +1 > > Whether to record meetings is a separate question from whether to release > the recordings publicly. > > We have seen a lot of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open and recorded WMF Board meetings

2016-03-05 Thread Pete Forsyth
+1 Whether to record meetings is a separate question from whether to release the recordings publicly. We have seen a lot of disagreement among Trustees recently. That's a massive and *entirely avoidable* distraction for the movement. Please, start recording the meetings -- if only for the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open and recorded WMF Board meetings

2016-03-05 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 9:58 AM, jytdog wrote: > Hi > > This is my first posting here. Sorry if I do anything wrong. > > I wanted to note here the following post from James Heilman: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2016-February/082816.html > > And I guess

[Wikimedia-l] Open and recorded WMF Board meetings

2016-03-05 Thread jytdog
Hi This is my first posting here. Sorry if I do anything wrong. I wanted to note here the following post from James Heilman: https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2016-February/082816.html And I guess this one too

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Executive transition planning

2016-03-05 Thread James Alexander
Hey Lodewijk, I'm definetly talking about the legal concept of a union yeah (which triggers a lot of legal protections which, at least in the US, are somewhat assumed when people talk about organizing internally). I do think there are other options (both formal and informal) which is what I was

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Executive transition planning

2016-03-05 Thread Gergő Tisza
On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 7:54 AM, MZMcBride wrote: > Removing a roof without also having a plan for an interim roof is a really amateur mistake. Not really if the roof was radioactive, and on fire. It is entirely a matter of priorities - is it more urgent to fix a situation

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Executive transition planning

2016-03-05 Thread Lodewijk
Hi James, just to understand correctly: are you talking only about the legal concept of a 'union' or also about all informal structures where the wmf staff could somehow influence how things go? I mean for example, I could imagine that in an organisation with more than 100 people, a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Executive transition planning

2016-03-05 Thread James Alexander
A traditional union is also difficult, honestly, because of the nature of the WMF as an incredibly global organization. We are a huge mix of staff in SF from the US, staff in SF on Visas (I don't know if this matters), Full Time Equivalent contractors outside the US (and numerous different ways to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open and recorded WMF Board meetings

2016-03-05 Thread Michael Peel
They were doing this regularly until January: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_board_meetings/2016-01-30 and see: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_meetings I suspect this dropped a bit in priority since then, for obvious reasons, but

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Executive transition planning

2016-03-05 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, That would not be a bad idea in and of itself. However, the kind of troubles are not necessarily the kind where a Union has its experience. Thanks, GerardM On 5 March 2016 at 20:45, Gordon Joly wrote: > On 05/03/16 16:49, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > > Arguably, the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Executive transition planning

2016-03-05 Thread Gordon Joly
On 05/03/16 16:49, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Arguably, the employees have a bigger stake in the Wikimedia Foundation, > they are not even represented. Then they should unionise? Gordo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open and recorded WMF Board meetings

2016-03-05 Thread Lodewijk
Hm, for quite a while, the board agenda's were published before the meetings took place. At least, for the well in advance-scheduled meetings (the regular ones). I didn't see any recently though. I think it would indeed be good to put on the list of 'possible transparency topics' to discuss...

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Executive transition planning

2016-03-05 Thread James Heilman
We have three C levels who have been around for some time, Lisa, Katherine, and Geoff. I imagine that either one of them will step up and take on the role or a sharing agreement between a few of them will be suggested. I see either of those options as perfectly reasonable. We have had a recent

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Executive transition planning

2016-03-05 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, There is one big hole in this comparison. We are a movement, the Foundation is the material part of it. It is responsible for all kinds of everything but we, as a community do not pay for a roof over our head. We are represented on the WMF board. That is it. Arguably, the employees have a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Executive transition planning

2016-03-05 Thread MZMcBride
Brion Vibber wrote: >There's less weakness in admitting a failure honestly, retreating and >regrouping, than in powering through when knowing oneself unprepared. After months of complaints from tenants and from a few neighbors, the landlord of a large building decides to replace the roof of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open and recorded WMF Board meetings

2016-03-05 Thread James Salsman
> we could start with a smaller step: get the agenda > published within 5 days after any meeting "I would support as best practice the public posting of agendas for routine board meetings. I would support that minutes be posted promptly - but before the next meetings agenda is finalized

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Executive transition planning

2016-03-05 Thread Anders Wennersten
I second Delphines praise. I am also very glad to see that this being the fourth major decision taken by the Board this year (outing of James was done last year...) , and that they all have been very good and balanced. And even if valid wishes for quicker decisions is raised, I myself

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Executive transition planning

2016-03-05 Thread Delphine Ménard
Thank you Alice. I find this move pretty bold and welcome it, it renew with an old tradition ;) Also many thnaks for sharing with us these kind of developments. Cheers, Delphine On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 3:14 AM, Alice Wiegand wrote: > Hi all, > short update, as announced

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open and recorded WMF Board meetings

2016-03-05 Thread Ariel Glenn WMF
I'd like to see more complete minutes that get published more frequently; I suspect the members of the Board would love it if they could make it happen by waving a wand and have it be so. I was once a public observer taking notes for a Board meeting for a different organization, and there was no

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Executive transition planning

2016-03-05 Thread
On 5 March 2016 at 08:28, Chris Sherlock wrote: >> In it's decision making capacity, the Board should: >> >> * Select, evaluate and (if necessary) remove the Executive Director; > > Whilst I'm sure that C-level managers are up to the task, that's rather > abrogating

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Executive transition planning

2016-03-05 Thread Chris Sherlock
Sent from my iPhone > On 5 Mar 2016, at 1:14 PM, Alice Wiegand wrote: > > Hi all, > short update, as announced by Patricio: > > Our organization needs stability, it needs a chance to rest for a moment and > to move on with the things that matter at the same time.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Executive transition planning

2016-03-05 Thread geni
On 5 March 2016 at 03:21, Brion Vibber wrote: > There's less weakness in admitting a failure honestly, retreating and > regrouping, than in powering through when knowing oneself unprepared. Fallacy of the excluded middle. In any case that doesn't change the fundamental