If we can't manage to set this up on-project because of rules, we
collectively fail Wiki 101
On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Kevin Gorman kgor...@gmail.com wrote:
If we don't want to develop an internal solution, it would be pretty
simple to set up a private flickr album and email it out to
Two points that might help bring people on different sides of the
issue closer together.
1. How about notifying people that they have been check-usered 2
months after the fact? By that time I hope all investigations are
complete, and is the risk of tipping off the nefarious should be over.
2.
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Stephanie Daugherty
sdaughe...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 4:52 AM, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com
wrote:
Two points that might help bring people on different sides of the
issue closer together.
1. How about notifying people
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 9:51 PM, ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com wrote:
Hi Nathan,
For a moment, let's suppose that there is a global policy that all CU
checks must be disclosed to the person being checked, with the
information
disclosed in private email, and only consisting of the date
Jussi, I'm not finding the post you are replying too, what's the context here?
On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 3:29 AM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
cimonav...@gmail.com wrote:
The core problem here is that the Board is not alive and well.
The Board of Trustees is dead in their shoes. What precisely
are they
This number, 99.2% was also mentioned on the Berlin Hackathon. It
sounds much higher than what my (very scientifically relevant,
obviously) gut feeling tells me. Could you indicate where this number
is coming from?
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Denny Vrandečić
denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de
On Jan 3, 2013 11:01 AM, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com
wrote:
On 3 January 2013 06:38, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote:
You don't need big data to see what needs to be done.
It might help; often it is surprising how statistical analysis can help
narrow the focus of
This thread may have started weird, but it seems to be going in a very good
direction: we're all very concerned about editor retention, we all see
problem areas we agree on, and we are all grasping at new ideas that seem
more or less like straws. This is bad news, but it has to remain on the
On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 8:36 PM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.comwrote:
On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 5:03 AM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net
wrote:
With respect to welcoming and assisting new users on the English
Wikipedia where there is a bewildering volume of varied activity by new
On Jan 5, 2013 12:51 AM, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 10:05 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 4 January 2013 17:56, Mark delir...@hackish.org wrote:
1a. Do *not* pick a source that you have a particularly close personal
or
emotional
On Jan 9, 2013 1:07 AM, Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote:
On Fri, Jan 04, 2013 at 03:51:42PM -0800, George Herbert wrote:
Along the lines of noneuclidian geometry...
What if we experiment (at least conceptually) with inverting that
instruction? Encourage people to write on
On Jun 3, 2013 2:17 PM, Sumana Harihareswara suma...@wikimedia.org
wrote:
Cynics, skip this message!
http://www.sassafrassmusic.com/songs/sci-fi-fantasy-fandom/somebody-will/
I came across this sentimental song about a world of encouragement and
productivity, in which everyone is encouraged
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Matthew Roth mr...@wikimedia.org wrote:
We have had contact with the authors of the blog and they have said they
will publish our response to their article, though I'm not sure when or in
what format.
This is the content of our response:
The Wikimedia
On Jul 10, 2013 8:59 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 10 July 2013 07:51, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote:
It is easiest to analyze if the work has never been published.
Distributing it then is a taking of intellectual property regardless of
whether the original is
On Jul 24, 2013 9:57 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote:
Should that even be a concern? I mean, if lots of newbies and
technophobes start using the Visual Editor and a bunch of us
dorks who love writing markup
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote:
As with other inventions that produced an inferior product at a much
lower price, from the printing press to the steam-driven loom to
Wikipedia, what happens now is largely in the hands of the people
experimenting with
On Jul 30, 2013 3:49 AM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote:
On 07/29/2013 07:00 PM, David Gerard wrote:
Are there any wikitext constructions that are actually going to be
deprecated?
I'm not privy to the architecture decisions, but I'm pretty sure that
the absolute worst
On Jul 30, 2013 4:58 AM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote:
On 07/29/2013 10:02 PM, Rschen7754 wrote:
If I'm reading this right, it *would* cause massive problems on the
English Wikipedia
Oh, it *would* if the syntax was just disabled outright!
Now, if it were me that was in charge
such a bad thing?
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On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Robert Rohde raro...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 1:06 AM, Martijn Hoekstra
martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote:
snip
4. Block the creation of new templates with deprecated syntax. Also block
saving templates that were free of deprecated syntax
I made my points on this thread and list to a sufficient level, and
will try to sit back and read what the people who really know what they are
talking about have to say about it.
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 1:06 AM, Martijn Hoekstra
martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote:
On Jul 30, 2013 4:58 AM, Marc
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 1:01 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 30 July 2013 09:06, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote:
6. Announce a date from where on saving a page with a transcluded legacy
template will be blocked. Expect public outcry.
An important
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Richard Farmbrough rich...@farmbrough.co.uk
wrote:
Apparently important. I am aware, as probably everyone is, that this is
the first most obvious step to make article editing more accessible, and
address certain inclusiveness goals. I am also aware that there
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 4:51 PM, Kevin Wayne Williams
kwwilli...@kwwilliams.com wrote:
Op 2013/08/05 23:44, MZMcBride schreef:
This leaves us to consider the biggest question: opt-in vs. opt-out. Erik
and James are both quite smart, they are true Wikimedians, and they make
reasonable points
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Kevin Wayne Williams
kwwilli...@kwwilliams.com wrote:
Op 2013/08/06 7:55, Martijn Hoekstra schreef:
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 4:51 PM, Kevin Wayne Williams
kwwilli...@kwwilliams.com wrote:
Their argument for
'opt-out' is based solely upon the quality
On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
I always believed that our servers where monitored 24/7? But nobody seems
to be arround to fix a core part in our systems?
Huib
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On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Peter Gervai grin...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Martijn Hoekstra
martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote:
On Aug 21, 2013 8:56 AM, Peter Gervai grin...@gmail.com wrote:
The account and/or underlying IP is
blocked. That is the technical
On Aug 26, 2013 6:30 PM, JP Béland lebo.bel...@gmail.com wrote:
And if it is illegal or borderline according to, say,
netherlands, swiss, or german law, is it appropriate to do it in
countries where the law is less developed?
As said Kevin, it is impossible to respect the law of all
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 1:32 PM, Denny Vrandečić
denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de wrote:
2013/8/27 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com
Denny Vrandečić, 27/08/2013 11:39:
That's like saying
printing out an article of Wikipedia and giving it to a student is a
violation of net
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 6:20 PM, Jan Kučera kozuc...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi there,
is anyone out here participating in any of the Stack Exchange projects?
Yes, I participate in Stackoverflow mainly
Do people here still really think voting is a bad thing and wiki is the
easiest way to
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 6:49 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote:
Jan Kučera, 23/09/2013 18:20:
Hi there,
is anyone out here participating in any of the Stack Exchange projects?
On Oct 31, 2013 2:11 AM, Steve Zhang cro0...@gmail.com wrote:
I have to say, I'm amazed such a long discussion has occured over a
question about the time for an office hours sessions.
I'm amazed nobody has brought up leap seconds yet, which make 23:59:59 roll
over to 23:59:60 and would steal
On Nov 20, 2013 1:13 PM, The Cunctator cuncta...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, let's keep on pushing for policies that drive away editors!
I'm not sure exactly what kind of policy you are getting at here. Could you
elaborate a little?
On Nov 20, 2013 2:10 AM, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:
On 19
On Jan 13, 2014 7:25 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Steven Walling wrote:
With my product manager for Growth hat on... Like Kaldari said we can't
give people who aren't logged in Echo notifications at the moment. The
only alternative is to post to the IP talk page. This would require
I understand your reasoning, but we already have an extremely difficult
time finding a suitable candidate. While such community vetting would
definitely weed out the people we don't want, it will also slim down the
pool we do want, which currently sits around a cool 0. I don't think we
can afford
Rory is the Legal mascot, and is indeed a tiger (though some say it is
stuffed, I wouldn't bank on it). See
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Rory and
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Staff_and_contractors under legal
On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Tony Souter to...@iinet.net.au wrote:
On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 6:40 PM, Itzik Edri it...@infra.co.il wrote:
Hi Nathan,
Allow me to correct - WMIL is not withdrawing from international
activities. For example, WMIL will probably going to be one of the leading
chapters supporting WLE, and many others international projects with
is spending too much money and effort in copyright lobbying?
If this is actually a serious proposal of something you would like to see
happen, it's probably a good idea to drop it. Nobody seems to support it.
--Martijn Hoekstra
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Steve Zhang wrote:
It probably means nothing, but the other day I noticed that the Executive
Director post had been removed from the Job Openings page on the WMF wiki
and was curious. Has there been an update on the search
question to me is unchanged, and
unanswered: looking at the mistakes made, why did they happen, and once we
find out that why, can we eliminate it?
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On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:46 AM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote:
Pete Forsyth wrote:
... there are very good reasons to be cautious about how much
and what kind of advocacy the Wikimedia Foundation engages
in, but by and large, the reasons are not *legal* ones. They're
related
confusing?
I have no answers to any of these questions, but I'm happy it's on the
agenda.
--Martijn Hoekstra
Ting Chen skrev 2014-04-10 13:23:
Hello dear all,
now the second mail
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On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 9:50 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi folks,
I'd be interested in hearing broader community opinions about the
extent to which WMF should sponsor non-profits purely to support work
that Wikimedia benefits from, even if it's not directed towards a
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 8:30 PM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote:
I'm Wil Sinclair, Lila Tretikov's significant other.
I've always wanted a good excuse to get involved in the Wikipedia
project and the Wikipedia community. Lila's appointment would be about
as good as it gets. :)
Conflict of
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.ukwrote:
On 14 May 2014 14:26, Everton Zanella Alvarenga
everton.alvare...@okfn.org wrote:
How to compose a successful critical commentary [...]
That strikes me as very long winded, and so not conducive to a
succinct
On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote:
This is really helpful.
To clarify:
Is it correct that each project/subdomain of Wikipedia and Wikimedia
has its own, potentially unique Child Protection Policy?
How many of those policies are marked as Proposed?
Are the
On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 10:04 PM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote:
Then stick to
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk
Straight What is the policy on X questions aren't really the purpose of
this mailing list.
--
geni
Thanks for the advice; that's exactly the kind
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote:
On 05/27/2014 09:44 AM, Stevie Benton wrote:
American Osteopathic Association
I'm not an expert on the latest woo-woo, but isn't Osteopathy one of the
numerous faith-based 'medecine'?
-- Marc
That issue was
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 4:27 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:
On 27 May 2014 15:22, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote:
Ah, that explains it. :-)
Regardless, Don't diagnose yourself with Wikipedia seems to be
infinitely good advice, regardless of any hyperbole about article
On May 28, 2014 7:09 PM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote:
Thanks, I wasn't aware I could do this. I'm assuming that it would be
obvious who was an employee at Wikimedia in the log, too. I posted the
following to Wikipediocracy a few minutes ago:
I may have misread which page the rev was
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote:
What I think is funny about this whole article and this email thread
is that the quality of Wikipedia is not brought into relation with
anything else. For example, I know that one of the main causes of
death in the
We are all interested in hearing all sides of every story here, aren't
we? I'm starting to get the feeling that there are things that some
people on this list don't want *anyone* to discuss.
Which things, and which people are you aiming at, particularly?
--Martijn
After all, you
could
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 10:32 PM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote:
Martijn asked me which things I thought that some people on this list
don't want anyone to discuss, so here are the two examples that I'm
most interested in:
Child Protection- I'd like to hear about ways that policy might be
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 11:24 PM, Jens Best jens.b...@wikimedia.de wrote:
Hi Marc,
zero-rating a special service or a certain website on you mobile contract
is a clever way to undermine net neutrality, even when it comes as such a
noble service to give free knowledge to the people.
Free
On Jun 17, 2014 3:55 AM, Kevin Godfrey kevin.darkli...@gmail.com wrote:
On 17 Jun 2014, at 4:17 am, edward edw...@logicmuseum.com wrote:
On 16/06/2014 21:07, Newyorkbrad wrote:
In its decision, the Sixth Circuit takes a broad view of Section 230
and
holds that Section 230 protection is
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi community members,
I'm wondering how many people might be interested in having an IRC meeting
regarding the community's relationship to WMF and potentially developing
our own strategic plan that would be independent of
On Aug 31, 2014 11:46 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:
Just in terms of the amount of everyone's time that MediaViewer,
Superprotect
and related issues are absorbing, this situation is a net negative for the
projects.
Also, the amount of emotional hostility that this situation involves
On Sep 1, 2014 5:10 PM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote:
Warning, tl;dr rant below in which live my personal opinion.
Thank you for that. A heartfelt rant feels a lot better than being told my
call is important to you.
(snip)
The fundamental issue is that the WMF is attempting to
tl;dr: We've been collectively whining about templates for long enough. Who
wants to help with fixing them?
In the recent discussions/debacles about technical and stylistic advances,
a recurring theme is that the use of some templates causes major headaches,
and a commonly heard complaint from
On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 1:34 PM, pi zero wn.pi.z...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 5:40 AM, Martijn Hoekstra
martijnhoeks...@gmail.com
wrote:
tl;dr: We've been collectively whining about templates for long enough.
Who
wants to help with fixing them?
Improving on templates
On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 4:46 PM, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) bjor...@wikimedia.org
wrote:
This reply is still my own personal views, and in no way represents
anything official
On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Martijn Hoekstra
martijnhoeks...@gmail.com
wrote:
If we have to resort to such magic
On Sep 3, 2014 4:46 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Hi Martijn. Thanks for starting this thread.
Martijn Hoekstra [roughly] wrote:
* Catalog the problems with [dev issue]. Make a comprehensive list that
enumerates the problems with [dev issue] we have now, categorise
On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote:
tl;dr: We've been collectively whining about templates for long enough.
Who
wants to help with fixing them?
I want to help fix them.
Great to hear. Getting my ass in to gear is one of my greatest weaknesses,
and from what
that there are several people who are interested in talking
templates. I'm getting my hands dirty with them on another project I'm
working on. I don't mean to rush you; just tell me what to set up for
this discussion and where, and I'll make sure it gets done.
,Wil
On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 1:48 AM, Martijn
On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 6:49 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi all,
snip
Sincerely,
Erik
[1]
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2003-July/011069.html
[2]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=LiquidThreadsoldid=100760
[3]
On Sep 10, 2014 5:11 AM, Keegan Peterzell keegan.w...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote:
FWIW, I signed my first comment by hand. I missed the comments about
sigs in the wikitext editor interface. If it weren't for my family
situation,
and positioning the cursor is a huge pain). This is
not limited to talk pages by the way, but is identical for mainspace pages.
A reply button that inserts an isolated comment at the correct indentation
level would fix that. Am I overlooking stuff?
On 10 September 2014 09:20, Martijn Hoekstra
to any software or
rendering issues.
On 10 September 2014 09:47, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Sep 10, 2014 9:35 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hoi.
When you look at talk pages in isolation, you look at them on a
computer
screen
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote:
On 10 September 2014 07:54, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote:
On 8 September 2014 08:22, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
snip
* potential to work with Notifications (tell me when anyone replies
to
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 7:17 PM, Diego Moya dialm...@gmail.com wrote:
On 10 September 2014 17:47, Martijn Hoekstra
I think this is something of an oops, and not really something we should
judge the product on. Currently the broken mess is notify on all posts
on
all threads on the page
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 7:54 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hoi,
Asap stands for as soon as possible. It is obvious that there I do not
like the talk pages at all. That does not mean that it makes sense to
replace them tomorrow.
I want us to cut the crap. Absolutely
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Diego Moya dialm...@gmail.com wrote:
On 10 September 2014 19:49, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 7:17 PM, Diego Moya dialm...@gmail.com wrote:
The feature shouldn't be notify on all posts on the subscribed
thread
On Thursday, September 11, 2014, John Mark Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 8:21 AM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com
javascript:; wrote:
Tim, do you think that this list of all the useful stuff that talk
pages can currently includes things that aren't being done because
On Oct 25, 2014 6:17 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il
wrote:
Thank goodness this wasn't written five years ago, otherwise somebody
could
get the awful idea to implement it.
Having a side by side really time wikitext - display doesn't sound like an
aweful idea at all to me. I'm
.)
בתאריך 25 באוק 2014 19:40, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com
כתב:
On Oct 25, 2014 6:17 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il
wrote:
Thank goodness this wasn't written five years ago, otherwise somebody
could
get the awful idea to implement it.
Having
, help improve them, and help people ease in to using them. Your
wonton dismissiveness is worrysome to me.
בתאריך 25 באוק 2014 20:51, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com
כתב:
On Oct 25, 2014 7:20 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il
wrote:
Because, even though I'm well
On Nov 26, 2014 11:21 PM, Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote:
Washington post article
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/11/25/wikipedias-complicated-relationship-with-net-neutrality/
sincerely,
Kim
This is obviously not the first time this comes up, and
On Dec 3, 2014 3:46 AM, Ryan Lane rlan...@gmail.com wrote:
Megan Hernandez mhernandez@... writes:
As Lila’s email said, we launched our end of year English fundraising
campaign on Tuesday. I wanted to share a little more background on the
mechanics of the English Wikipedia campaign,
On Dec 3, 2014 12:00 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote:
Martijn Hoekstra, 03/12/2014 10:13:
I will automate this message for the first Tuesday of December, around
10:00 a.m. UTC. If others could automate their messages to not exactly
coincidence with this one, that would help
On Dec 4, 2014 2:46 PM, Jean-Frédéric jeanfrederic.w...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks again, I tried to remain brie-f
2014-12-03 18:06 GMT+00:00 Christophe Henner christophe.hen...@gmail.com
:
110% !!! We bleu our first goal.
Christophe, whether you are posting out of love for this awesome
On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 9:26 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
I checked my inbox today to find a note from a friend asking if
Wikipedia was okay. My reply was essentially Wikipedia is fine, if you
want to donate, make an edit or two.
I wonder how many Wikimedians are getting the same
On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 7:11 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello all,
I just re-read this whole thread (!) this morning and here are the
themes of points raised that I'm seeing ... I'll add this to the talk
of https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_principles too.
I disagree that Wikipedia not considering Wikipedia as an admissible source
is indicative of Wikipedia being a failure.
On Sun, Jun 16, 2019, 14:18 Mister Thrapostibongles <
thrapostibong...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear all,
> The discussion triggered by recent WMF T actions has tended to focus on
I have no dog in this race, but facts are not eligible for copyright
protection.
On Wed, Jul 4, 2018, 17:11 Andreas Kolbe wrote:
> On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 1:54 AM, Denny Vrandečić
> wrote:
>
> > Gnom1 on Phabricator has offered to actually answer legal questions, but
> we
> > need to come up
if Fram was not an admin, all these discussions would not have been done)
[citation needed]
why we (other users) have allowed such an attitude without intervening to
> stop it.
>
>
> Camelia
>
>
> --
> *Camelia Boban*
>
> *| Java EE Developer |*
>
> *Affiliations Committee - **Wikimedia
I would like to reserve the right to say "fuck arbcom", "fuck the WMF", or
"fuck the admins", just like I deserve the right to say "fuck the police"
or "fuck the judiciary system".
Regardless whether you think so or not, I dont think that's within WMFs
remit to police and enforce.
On Wed, Jun
Wikipedia itself can never be more reliable than the sources it cites. If
it's allowed to cite itself, then there is no "bottom" to lean on, and its
quality would quickly drop.
That you conclude from that that wikipedia is unreliable and therefore
failed is IMO such a silly proposition, that I
Phillipe,
Can you imagine a hypothetical situation where it would have been
appropriate for this WMF office action to exist though - that is to say,
not serious enough to ban a user from any other wiki than en. and serious
enough to take direct action outside of the community?
I sure can't, yet
uncover-wikipedias-missing-citation-needed-tags/
> --
> is that evidence of success? The thousands of articles in
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Unreferenced_BLPs -- is that
> evidence of success?
>
> Thrapostibongles
>
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 1:44 PM Martijn Hoeks
On Fri, Jun 21, 2019, 07:43 Mister Thrapostibongles <
thrapostibong...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Martin
>
>
> > No, I'm saying that it's ridiculous to judge wikipedia on its policy that
> > citing itself is disallowed.
> >
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> Perhaps, then, rather than telling us what it is that you don't agree with,
like
> to believe that this is somehow silly or sophistry, is to look the facts in
> the face and accept that some form of editorial policy, content workflow
> management and supervision of the volunteer effort is necessary to make
> Wikipedia what aspires to be, but is not current
As a quick/rough data point I don't frequently edit wikipedia anymore, and
when I do I never log in.
About 2/3 edits no further interactions happen. About 10% gets reverted,
about 10% of the time I get a warning and the last 10% I get a welcome
template.
On Thu, Feb 27, 2020, 15:52 Marshall
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> So now we're left with how we raise money, and the common complaints about
> the size, frequency, and tone of fundraising banners. The argument is that
> fundraising messages use unduly alarmist language, and that donors are
> therefore misled into thinking that Wikimedia is facing
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