Re: [Wikimedia-l] Free Basics

2016-01-01 Thread Kim Bruning
we need to be careful we don't hurt the people we depend on in turn. People such as the open source community and internet standards organisations might prove quite sensitive to changing Internet rules. We should put our ears to the ground and listen carefully to what representatives of these gr

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-13 Thread Kim Bruning
I think that making us not-a-source-of-referred-traffic might be a good thing. (It disincentivises those who should be disincentivised, while not harming anyone else) sincerely, Kim Bruning On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 09:21:57AM -0700, Pete Forsyth wrote: There's a relevant research

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WaPo Wikipedia's 'complicated; relationship with net neutrality

2015-01-07 Thread Kim Bruning
country and at what thresholds promoted? Are there documents/analysis online? sincerely, Kim On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 10:07:02PM +0100, Kim Bruning wrote: Washington post article http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/11/25/wikipedias-complicated-relationship-with-net

[Wikimedia-l] Bharti Airtel to charge for using VOIP services Re: WaPo Wikipedia's 'complicated; relationship with net neutrality

2014-12-27 Thread Kim Bruning
. sincerely, Kim On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 10:07:02PM +0100, Kim Bruning wrote: Washington post article http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/11/25/wikipedias-complicated-relationship-with-net-neutrality/ sincerely, Kim

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Google Groups: You've been added to Gender Gap

2014-12-05 Thread Kim Bruning
On Fri, Dec 05, 2014 at 10:26:19PM +0100, Thyge wrote: I reported the group for spamming. Adding me and others without our consent and sending unsolicited emails must be stopped somehow. Idem here. Was listed, unsubscribed, reported for spamming. sincerely, Kim Bruning

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Google Groups: You've been added to Gender Gap

2014-12-05 Thread Kim Bruning
On Sat, Dec 06, 2014 at 01:22:00AM +0800, Russavia wrote: Hi all If you receive an email purporting to be from myself and it's not from this email addy (and with an IINET IP), you can be assured it is not myself. Glad to hear it wasn't you! If I wanted to troll you all, you all know that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why is bank transfer no longer possible?

2014-12-02 Thread Kim Bruning
to hunt down, find, and prosecute every single fraud at all costs, and to the fullest extent possible under law. They do so as a matter of honour. Suffice to say this does tend to reduce the incidence of fraud in the country O:-) sincerely, Kim Bruning [*] Actually I kinda like these options

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Issue on Dutch Wikipedia in relation to BLP violating images

2014-12-01 Thread Kim Bruning
toxic pretty quickly ... once you started throwing around insults like confetti. ;-) You were trying to get indeffed on purpose, right!? Only sane explanation. Wikis are like pokemon, gotta get indeffed from them all! sincerely, Kim Bruning [*] NSFL WARNING: do not look up why Russavia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why is bank transfer no longer possible?

2014-11-26 Thread Kim Bruning
Just following up, Has WMNL now received the sought information? sincerely, Kim Bruning On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 08:42:01AM +0100, Lodewijk wrote: It seems everyone agrees it is an important method (although I'm not 100% sure that the US based people running the fundraiser fully

[Wikimedia-l] WaPo Wikipedia's 'complicated; relationship with net neutrality

2014-11-26 Thread Kim Bruning
Washington post article http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/11/25/wikipedias-complicated-relationship-with-net-neutrality/ sincerely, Kim ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why is bank transfer no longer possible?

2014-11-21 Thread Kim Bruning
To amplify: Paying (business) taxes in The Netherlands now pretty much requires electronic payment to an IBAN Account; a.k.a. it is (now) the standard, default, baseline way to make payments at all. After registering a business, the very next action is to open an (IBAN) account. All extant

[Wikimedia-l] The Rise and Decline of an Open Collaboration Community: How Wikipedia's reaction to sudden popularity is causing its decline

2014-11-12 Thread Kim Bruning
I found this document/research paper on wikipedia user retention; FWIW http://www-users.cs.umn.edu/~halfak/publications/The_Rise_and_Decline/ sincerely, Kim Bruning ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Rise and Decline of an Open Collaboration Community: How Wikipedia's reaction to sudden popularity is causing its decline

2014-11-12 Thread Kim Bruning
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 09:04:11PM +0100, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: Kim Bruning, 12/11/2014 19:40: I found this document/research paper on wikipedia user retention; FWIW http://www-users.cs.umn.edu/~halfak/publications/The_Rise_and_Decline/ https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki

[Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia needs an IDE, not a WYSIWYG editor

2014-10-25 Thread Kim Bruning
allow lua in templates, I suppose things actually are already pretty Interesting. sincerely, Kim Bruning ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Visually impaired

2014-03-30 Thread Kim Bruning
Did they have issues with eg. templates at top of page? On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 10:13:08AM -0600, Victor Grigas wrote: I interviewed 2 gentlemen who are both blind who use a program called JAWS on desktop machines that reads the Wikipedia page to them, allowing them to edit. On Jan 15,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Goodbye as the German president of the Dutch chapter

2014-03-30 Thread Kim Bruning
Hope to see you again soon in whatever your next capacity may be! sincerely, Kim Bruning On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 07:59:45PM +0200, Ziko van Dijk wrote: Dear colleagues, collaborators and friends of free knowledge, After three eventful years I left the board of Wikimedia Nederland

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: Big data benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))

2013-01-20 Thread Kim Bruning
happen to us or Esperanza is behind us now. This is blatantly not true. Just look at the state of en.wikipedia! We're going to have to do a lot of work to get things koving again :-/ sincerely, Kim Bruning ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: Big data benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))

2013-01-09 Thread Kim Bruning
mean we know where to start looking though) sincerely, Kim Bruning ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: Big data benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))

2013-01-09 Thread Kim Bruning
. sincerely, Kim Bruning ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: Big data benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))

2013-01-08 Thread Kim Bruning
, *then* they held an election. If they'd just held elections without ever teaching anyone what that means, they'd have gotten a(n even bigger) mess. :-P sincerely, Kim Bruning ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: Big data benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))

2013-01-08 Thread Kim Bruning
that it uses proven technology and processes ;-) sincerely, Kim bruning ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: Big data benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))

2013-01-08 Thread Kim Bruning
than going directly to editing the actual article... Note: Adds a threshold, thus negatively influences editor retention. sincerely, Kim Bruning scratches head Maybe we need some sort of course/book wiki-process design for dummies

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: Big data benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))

2013-01-08 Thread Kim Bruning
newbie helpers. Technically, you could get very close by just creating a separate wiki for new users and new articles. (replacing the current AFC process). Simplest thing that could possibly work. + we have a precedent (nupedia-wikipedia) sincerely, Kim Bruning

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: Big data benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))

2013-01-08 Thread Kim Bruning
On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 04:13:20PM -0800, George Herbert wrote: Note: Adds a threshold, thus negatively influences editor retention. But we need to understand what's wrong with the current way of doing things as part of the discussion. Consider a famous example in Japan: Several

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: Big data benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))

2013-01-08 Thread Kim Bruning
[[poka-yoke]] (mistake-proofed) UI and workflow changes, so that that course of action becomes difficult? sincerely, Kim Bruning ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo

[Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia collaterally damaged by google's autocomplete filter

2012-11-07 Thread Kim Bruning
-censored-by-googles-piracy-filter-121028/ I've also tested a few of the knwn terms myself. sincerely, Kim Bruning ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage project launch/migration update

2012-10-17 Thread Kim Bruning
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 11:47:42AM -0700, Erik Moeller wrote: Hi folks, a quick update on the launch of a travel project under the WMF umbrella, and the import of the existing Wikivoyage site. 3 3 3 sincerely, Kim Bruning ___ Wikimedia-l

[Wikimedia-l] Clean IT Project

2012-09-25 Thread Kim Bruning
. How realistic is this? If at all realistic, would this cause trouble for some of our (less common language) projects? sincerely, Kim Bruning ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CNET News: Corruption in Wikiland? Paid PR scandal erupts at Wikipedia

2012-09-19 Thread Kim Bruning
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 05:19:19PM -0700, George Herbert wrote: I'm curious as to the internal view of the details, but... this is Violet Blue blogging about us. Violet Blue is a known quantity to you? sincerely, Kim Bruning ___ Wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-18 Thread Kim Bruning
That's one step better than I was hoping for, If all y'all are already in close contact with Erik, then I'm no longer needed in this phase. :-) (unless I can help with setup, or getting more data, or etc.) Good luck, and have fun! :-) sincerely, Kim Bruning PS. do post regular

[Wikimedia-l] CNET News: Corruption in Wikiland? Paid PR scandal erupts at Wikipedia

2012-09-18 Thread Kim Bruning
Spotted this in my news feed, http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57514677-93/corruption-in-wikiland-paid-pr-scandal-erupts-at-wikipedia/ sincerely, Kim Bruning ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-14 Thread Kim Bruning
first wait for all lawsuits to resolve, or will they start with working on providing the servers? What's the current time-frame? sincerely, Kim Bruning ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation Seeks Declaratory Relief in response to Legal Threats from Internet Brands

2012-09-07 Thread Kim Bruning
-sues-people-for-forking-under-cc-by-sa (Haven't spotted at HN or Reddit yet.) sincerely, Kim Bruning ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation Seeks Declaratory Relief in response to Legal Threats from Internet Brands

2012-09-05 Thread Kim Bruning
On Thu, Sep 06, 2012 at 05:09:29AM +, Max Harmony wrote: Would it be inappropriate for community members to express their displeasure with the actions of Internet Brands, perhaps by mass or organised boycott? The latter is pretty much already happening by default. sincerely, Kim

[Wikimedia-l] Even Google gets it wrong (filtering Bisexual from instant results and autocomplete)

2012-08-20 Thread Kim Bruning
feedback -- it's this kind of case that motivates us to keep working on our algorithms so we can get people the information they need as quickly as possible.- Google Spokesperson, July 2nd 2012 sincerely, Kim Bruning ___ Wikimedia-l mailing

[Wikimedia-l] Side discussion: Volunteer time is precious Re: Articles for Creation broken

2012-08-20 Thread Kim Bruning
that volunteer time isn't 100% fungible, but saving volunteers time certainly won't hurt editor retention or process throughput. ;-) sincerely, Kim Bruning ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A task list for a beginning project

2012-07-31 Thread Kim Bruning
. Is there something like a task list for new projects? Something like: Chenneling Siebrand and Gerard: Go to translatewiki.net and translate the UI for your language? (if not already done) sincerely, Kim Bruning ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Apparently, Wikipedia is ugly

2012-07-25 Thread Kim Bruning
back, but we can definitely do better than the meager fraction-of-1% we have now. Our policies/procedures/work-patterns have swung a little too far encyclopedia-ward. We need to get the pendulum swinging back wiki-ward for a while. sincerely, Kim Bruning [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Apparently, Wikipedia is ugly

2012-07-25 Thread Kim Bruning
the only skin that has serif fonts for body text. :-/ sincerely, Kim Bruning ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with Rape in title under advertising pressure.

2012-07-01 Thread Kim Bruning
Better would be to keep those articles, and also (at some point) to preserve TVTropes. sincerely, Kim Bruning On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 06:17:57PM +, Mike Dupont wrote: well i decided to delete them, and other articles dealing with peoples personal lives. I dont want to deal

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with Rape in title under advertising pressure.

2012-06-26 Thread Kim Bruning
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 08:41:04PM +0100, geni wrote: On 26 June 2012 19:02, Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote: In the mean time, the discussed tropes *do* exist in our culture and in our movies. It somehow feels soviet. :-/ A significant chunk of them would probably fail [[WP:V

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with Rape in title under advertising pressure.

2012-06-26 Thread Kim Bruning
pressure on TV Tropes, and who made them take the pages down, are Google. That is the same Google who are a major financial contributor to Wikimedia. Hmmm. I think WMF talks with different departments at Google than TV Tropes does. It might be useful to enquire? sincerely, Kim Bruning

Re: [Wikimedia-l] FSF Blocked by MS Net nanny software

2012-06-25 Thread Kim Bruning
with the FSF. ;-) sincerely, Kim Bruning ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l

[Wikimedia-l] FSF Blocked by MS Net nanny software

2012-06-24 Thread Kim Bruning
The FSF is not very pleased about being classified as a gambling site. http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/dear-microsoft-fsf.org-is-not-a-gambling-site sincerely, Kim Bruning -- ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l

[Wikimedia-l] Copyright information not digitised?

2012-06-23 Thread Kim Bruning
to help digitize these records fit in our mission (especially wrt WikiSource) ? sincerely, Kim Bruning ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikidata opinion piece in The Atlantic

2012-06-22 Thread Kim Bruning
for (potential) pernicious potholes in the road. If someone shouts look out, we should definitely stop and look, just to be sure. ;-) sincerely, Kim Bruning ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Purpose-driven motivation

2012-06-21 Thread Kim Bruning
:_The_Surprising_Truth_About_What_Motivates_Us sincerely, Kim Bruning ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Pro-active user privacy (Was: Update on IPv6)

2012-06-13 Thread Kim Bruning
, current state of affairs is (paraphrased) new users are not welcome? :-( That might explain some issues! sincerely, Kim Bruning ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on IPv6

2012-06-12 Thread Kim Bruning
some people's privacy concerns, right? sincerely, Kim Bruning ps. We all know that everyone needs to switch to IPv6 eventually. Don't be surprised when people in your neighborhood decide to do so, with or without additional warning

Re: [Wikimedia-l] speedydeletion.wika.com lauched

2012-06-12 Thread Kim Bruning
the authors. :-P If you're getting page data in some different format, sure. :-) sincerely, Kim Bruning On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 12:47:31AM +0100, Thomas Morton wrote: This has been debated numerous times; to what extent does the attribution have to relate to the exact contribution of each

Re: [Wikimedia-l] speedydeletion.wika.com lauched

2012-06-12 Thread Kim Bruning
on archive.org, that linking to the relevant archive.org data might be adequate. sincerely, Kim Bruning ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l

[Wikimedia-l] Myth Busted Re: TomTom does a Britannica

2012-06-02 Thread Kim Bruning
to say that this myth is busted ;-) sincerely, Kim Bruning ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TomTom does a Britannica

2012-06-02 Thread Kim Bruning
that into account, it's quite usable. (I always Use Brain(tm) in combination satnav anyway, so I've hardly noticed, myself) Note that OSMAndroid supports multiple online routing providers as well as its own local-CPU algorithm. YMMV (literally! ;) sincerely, Kim Bruning

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fire Drill Re: Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )

2012-05-17 Thread Kim Bruning
that the sum of all human knowledge is not subtracted from. sincerely, Kim Bruning ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst

2012-05-17 Thread Kim Bruning
into the proper kinds of trouble. :-) sincerely, Kim Bruning ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l