[Wikimedia-l] Re: Small joy of the day: Txikipedia

2022-06-24 Thread Peter Southwood
I took a look at Vikidia, thought I could do something for them, signed up with an account, read what I could find of the guidance, and created an article on Underwater diving, following the rules as I understood them, using properly attributed CC-by-sa content from Simple English Wikipedia as

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Small joy of the day: Txikipedia

2022-06-24 Thread Peter Southwood
Yes, I find it more difficult to write for Simple English, because it (Simple English) is not my first language and I do not think in it, and the words I would normally use for the topics I prefer are not invented there and have to be worked around, so it is translation a lot of the time. There is

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikimedia Research Showcase June 15

2022-06-09 Thread Peter Southwood
the bulk of the editors speak also a major language which is used like lingua franca (like Russian for the Chuvash Wikipedia, or perhaps Spanish for the Quechua Wikipedia). This makes the problem less acute. Best Yaroslav On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 8:44 PM Peter Southwood wrote: Interesting

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikimedia Research Showcase June 15

2022-06-08 Thread Peter Southwood
Interesting research. Maybe I just missed it, but I didn’t notice any discussion of relation of availability of reliable sources to coverage in different languages. In English Wikipedia we are not allowed to write about topics which are not covered by suitable sources, but there may also be

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Fact-checking Raju Narisetti in the Indian Express

2022-06-04 Thread Peter Southwood
isetti_interview:_most_of_the_money_is_flowing_into_the_Global_South> . Thank you, Megan On Thu, Jun 2, 2022 at 6:52 PM Peter Southwood wrote: This seems a reasonable request. Cheers, Peter From: Andreas Kolbe [mailto:jayen...@gmail.com] Sent: 02 June 2022 15:13 To: Wi

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Fact-checking Raju Narisetti in the Indian Express

2022-06-02 Thread Peter Southwood
This seems a reasonable request. Cheers, Peter From: Andreas Kolbe [mailto:jayen...@gmail.com] Sent: 02 June 2022 15:13 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Fact-checking Raju Narisetti in the Indian Express Dear all, Last weekend, an interview with Raju Narisetti,

[Wikimedia-l] Re: To make apodictic articles

2022-05-19 Thread Peter Southwood
Which may never happen. Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: suvratjai...@gmail.com [mailto:suvratjai...@gmail.com] Sent: 18 May 2022 06:30 To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimedia-l] To make apodictic articles We have to complete all stub articles in wikipedia.

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Simplifying governance processes

2022-05-19 Thread Peter Southwood
+1 P From: Samuel Klein [mailto:meta...@gmail.com] Sent: 18 May 2022 22:44 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Simplifying governance processes Dear Board (and all), The growing complexity of governance efforts is defeating us. Process creep

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Are you considering running for the 2022 Wikimedia Foundation board elections?

2022-05-07 Thread Peter Southwood
amp;_r=0 Sent with ProtonMail secure email. --- Original Message --- On Friday, May 6th, 2022 at 7:25 AM, Peter Southwood wrote: > In what way is "diverse people" offensive, and to whom? Cheers, Peter. > > -Original Message- > From: H4CUSEG via Wikimedia-l [ma

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Are you considering running for the 2022 Wikimedia Foundation board elections?

2022-05-07 Thread Peter Southwood
How do you propose that relevant competencies be recognized, defined, or assessed? Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: H4CUSEG via Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org] Sent: Friday, May 6, 2022 15:52 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Cc: H4CUSEG Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re:

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Are you considering running for the 2022 Wikimedia Foundation board elections?

2022-05-06 Thread Peter Southwood
In what way is "diverse people" offensive, and to whom? Cheers, Peter. -Original Message- From: H4CUSEG via Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org] Sent: 04 May 2022 16:37 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Cc: H4CUSEG Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Are you considering running for the

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Open proxies and IP blocking

2022-05-03 Thread Peter Southwood
And who will do all this tedious work? Cheers, Peter From: g...@tiscali.it [mailto:g...@tiscali.it] Sent: 01 May 2022 20:01 To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Open proxies and IP blocking Another somewhat obvious solution: instead, or before, of blocking, make the

[Wikimedia-l] Re: [African Wikimedians] Re: Africa Knowledge Initiative (AKI) Community Engagements

2022-04-29 Thread Peter Southwood
I am encouraged that it is as many as 27000, How was this number calculated? Cheers, Peter (one of the 27000) From: Felix Nartey [mailto:fnar...@wikimedia.org] Sent: 29 April 2022 15:05 To: Mailing list for African Wikimedians Cc: Wikimedia Mailing List; Shupai Mchuchu;

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Next steps: Universal Code of Conduct (UCoC) and UCoC Enforcement Guidelines

2022-04-26 Thread Peter Southwood
:14 AM Peter Southwood wrote: This question has been asked before, and so far no workable answer has been suggested. Cheers, Peter. From: H4CUSEG via Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org] Sent: 20 April 2022 19:44 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Cc: H4CUSEG Subject: [Wikimedia-l

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Next steps: Universal Code of Conduct (UCoC) and UCoC Enforcement Guidelines

2022-04-25 Thread Peter Southwood
This question has been asked before, and so far no workable answer has been suggested. Cheers, Peter. From: H4CUSEG via Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org] Sent: 20 April 2022 19:44 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Cc: H4CUSEG Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Next steps: Universal Code

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Open proxies and IP blocking

2022-04-25 Thread Peter Southwood
“the block message only shows up when I try to save the page” That is just inexcusable. Symbolic of complete indifference to other people’s time wasted. Why would a new editor treated like this ever bother to try again? Block message with explanation and alternatives (with links) should come

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Next steps: Universal Code of Conduct (UCoC) and UCoC Enforcement Guidelines

2022-04-25 Thread Peter Southwood
This question has been asked before, and I have never seen a reasonably practicable proposal for managing the problem. Cheers, Peter From: H4CUSEG via Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org] Sent: 20 April 2022 19:44 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Cc: H4CUSEG Subject: [Wikimedia-l]

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Collection / Special:Book usage

2022-04-19 Thread Peter Southwood
I used to use it, but then it broke so I stopped using it. Just one of the things that died out because no-one could be bothered to maintain it. Cheers, Peter From: Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga [mailto:galder...@hotmail.com] Sent: 17 April 2022 17:47 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject:

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Register for Contribuling – Conference on minority languages and free participative software

2022-04-13 Thread Peter Southwood
ese, Russian, Arabic, Spanish, French and English can be categorized as hegemonic. Kind regards, Nattes Le 13 avr. 2022 à 10:24, Peter Southwood a écrit : Hi Remy, It might help if you defined what you mean by a non-hegemonic language. I would not think it a term familiar to

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Register for Contribuling – Conference on minority languages and free participative software

2022-04-13 Thread Peter Southwood
Hi Remy, It might help if you defined what you mean by a non-hegemonic language. I would not think it a term familiar to most readers, and it is poorly covered by a google search. Cheers, Peter From: GERBET Remy via Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org] Sent: 12 April 2022

[Wikimedia-l] Re: An Open Letter to Maryana Iskander

2022-04-12 Thread Peter Southwood
I sympathise with a lot of what you say, but do you have a workable alternative to reliable sources as currently defined? Peter From: Frederick Noronha [mailto:fredericknoro...@gmail.com] Sent: 11 April 2022 21:19 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: [Wikimedia-l] An Open Letter to Maryana

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Open letter on negating race and ethnicity as "meaningful distinctions" in the UCoC

2022-04-12 Thread Peter Southwood
, Peter From: Benjamin Lees [mailto:emufarm...@gmail.com] Sent: 12 April 2022 10:36 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Open letter on negating race and ethnicity as "meaningful distinctions" in the UCoC On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 1:06 AM Peter Southwood wrote: D

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Open letter on negating race and ethnicity as "meaningful distinctions" in the UCoC

2022-04-10 Thread Peter Southwood
Definitions of terminology makes sense in any document that is intended as an enforceable guide to behavior. Without them, whose definition applies? Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: Lane Chance [mailto:zinkl...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2022 11:17 To: Wikimedia Mailing

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Sanctions against the Russian Federation; support for Ukrainian Wikimedians

2022-03-03 Thread Peter Southwood
Yes, that is what we are supposed to do and supposed to be good at. Cheers, Peter From: Ilario Valdelli [mailto:valde...@gmail.com] Sent: 02 March 2022 10:31 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Sanctions against the Russian Federation; support for Ukrainian Wikimedians

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Seeking community recommendations for Equity Fund grantees

2022-01-25 Thread Peter Southwood
Good points, these. I hope someone will answer them. Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: Inductiveload [mailto:inductivel...@gmail.com] Sent: 26 January 2022 02:36 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Seeking community recommendations for Equity Fund grantees On 25

[Wikimedia-l] Re: "content was" when deleting pages - is it useful?

2022-01-17 Thread Peter Southwood
If the reason for deletion was to suppress undesirable content, why would one want part of it to remain viewable? Cheers, Peter From: Vi to [mailto:vituzzu.w...@gmail.com] Sent: 17 January 2022 23:45 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: "content was" when deleting pages - is

[Wikimedia-l] Re: [Wikitech-l] Re: Uplifting the multimedia stack (was: Community Wishlist Survery)

2022-01-01 Thread Peter Southwood
“until a couple months ago, we didn't have backups for the media files” How is that even possible? Cheers, Peter From: Amir Sarabadani [mailto:ladsgr...@gmail.com] Sent: 01 January 2022 08:42 To: Wikitech-l Cc: Wikimedia Mailing List; Wikimedia Commons Discussion List Subject: [Wikimedia-l]

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Community Wishlist Survey 2022 is coming. Help us and prepare

2021-12-30 Thread Peter Southwood
Is the community wishlist not for for projects run by volunteers? Volunteers do what they choose, employees do what they are paid for. Keeping the Wikis functional should be the work of employees and the WMF. Cheers, Peter From: Gnangarra [mailto:gnanga...@gmail.com] Sent: 29 December

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Community Wishlist Survey 2022 is coming. Help us and prepare

2021-12-29 Thread Peter Southwood
Fair comment. If you want to keep editors, make sure they have functioning tools. Is this not one of the reasons WMF was originally formed? Cheers, Peter From: DerHexer via Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org] Sent: 29 December 2021 12:11 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Cc:

[Wikimedia-l] Re: [Marketing Mail] Re: [Marketing Mail] Re: Auction at Christie's

2021-12-06 Thread Peter Southwood
Mailing List Subject: [Marketing Mail] [Wikimedia-l] Re: [Marketing Mail] Re: Auction at Christie's On Mon, 6 Dec 2021 at 07:36, Peter Southwood wrote: > > Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. Quite. As Jimmy notes in the WP:AN discussion which has already been linked to: I was inst

[Wikimedia-l] Re: [Marketing Mail] Re: Auction at Christie's

2021-12-05 Thread Peter Southwood
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. Cheers, P From: Adam Wight [mailto:adam.m.wi...@gmail.com] Sent: 03 December 2021 17:32 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: [Marketing Mail] [Wikimedia-l] Re: Auction at Christie's This is a good opportunity for us to take a look at the new

[Wikimedia-l] Re: [Marketing Mail] Re: Closing the comment period for the Universal Code of Conduct Enforcement Draft Guidelines and next step

2021-11-27 Thread Peter Southwood
Fair comment. P -Original Message- From: nosebagb...@gmail.com [mailto:nosebagb...@gmail.com] Sent: 27 November 2021 13:04 To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Marketing Mail] [Wikimedia-l] Re: Closing the comment period for the Universal Code of Conduct Enforcement Draft

[Wikimedia-l] Re: [Marketing Mail] Re: License for Wikifunctions and Abstract Wikipedia

2021-11-25 Thread Peter Southwood
This is a strong argument for CC-by-sa whenever possible to push for verifiability and traceability. The credit is secondary, almost irrelevant compared to being able to track down the origins. Cheers, Peter From: Andreas Kolbe [mailto:jayen...@gmail.com] Sent: 25 November 2021 14:52 To:

[Wikimedia-l] Re: [Marketing Mail] Re: Small gratitude to our fellow wikimedians

2021-11-09 Thread Peter Southwood
Seems a reasonable idea. Cheers, Peter From: Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org] Sent: 09 November 2021 14:16 To: 'Wikimedia Mailing List' Cc: Alessandro Marchetti Subject: [Marketing Mail] [Wikimedia-l] Re: Small gratitude to our fellow wikimedians

[Wikimedia-l] Re: [Marketing Mail] Re: About raising money

2021-09-28 Thread Peter Southwood
I think perhaps you attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by incompetence. Cheers, Peter From: Todd Allen [mailto:toddmal...@gmail.com] Sent: 28 September 2021 10:01 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: [Marketing Mail] [Wikimedia-l] Re: About raising money It's

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikipedia issues in UNDARK.org #Opinion article to check...

2021-08-30 Thread Peter Southwood
Are these “facts of the matter” available for evidence focused rational consideration? Cheers, Peter From: Mike Godwin [mailto:mnemo...@gmail.com] Sent: 30 August 2021 02:30 To: Andreas Kolbe Cc: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikipedia issues in UNDARK.org #Opinion

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikipedia issues in UNDARK.org #Opinion article to check...

2021-08-18 Thread Peter Southwood
mmons" are fundamental. As it is, this is not even considered. Thanks, GerardM On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 at 08:46, Peter Southwood wrote: And it is based on a fundamental misconception of the legally mandated role of the WMF. Everything based on this false premise, fails. Chee

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikipedia issues in UNDARK.org #Opinion article to check...

2021-08-17 Thread Peter Southwood
And it is based on a fundamental misconception of the legally mandated role of the WMF. Everything based on this false premise, fails. Cheers, Peter From: Željko Blaće [mailto:zbl...@mi2.hr] Sent: 17 August 2021 06:18 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia issues in

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Blocking users for Palestinian flag

2021-07-02 Thread Peter Southwood
The problem is which political opinions would be acceptable on a user page, and who gets to decide this. We are expected to edit neutrally, so expressing a political opinion on a user page could be considered a declaration of partisanship which could extend to editing behaviour. Cheers,

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Affiliations Committee Call for Candidates - June 2021

2021-05-17 Thread Peter Southwood
Is all this stuff somewhere on Meta? From: Isaac Olatunde [mailto:reachout2is...@gmail.com] Sent: 17 May 2021 01:07 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Affiliations Committee Call for Candidates - June 2021 To add to Risker's question, which subcommittee is responsible

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board Ratification of Universal Code of Conduct

2021-02-20 Thread Peter Southwood
In what way would this clarify anything? Common sense is not so common, and sometimes is not even rational. Reasonable person at least provides some conditions for testing, though is also clearly not very useful in a multicultural environment. Cheers, Peter From: Wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moving the technical infrastructure out of the US

2020-10-01 Thread Peter Southwood
If things are as bad as that then there should be and might already be an offshore backup, possibly more than one, as it is a no-brainer, and I don’t think WMF tech management and the board are stupid, and nor are those who would wish to prevent it from happening. But plausible deniability.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [feedback requested] Taxonomy of knowledge gaps

2020-09-26 Thread Peter Southwood
Good points. Are these maybe covered in a future stage of the project? Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Samuel Klein Sent: 26 September 2020 19:26 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l]

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation notice

2020-09-13 Thread Peter Southwood
Unfortunately I think all these points are valid. These behavious do not improve communication for many of us. There seems to be a choice between freedom of expression and effective communication in a multicultural group. There is theoretically the option of asking for clarification, but it is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Foundation and affiliates disclosing salaries on job ads & the effect of this on workplace equity

2020-09-12 Thread Peter Southwood
This is the point I was working on. I also have no confident answer to this problem, but have a gut feel it is somewhere in between the extremes. There is also the point that most people have some choice in where they live, though I do not have any useful suggestion of how that should be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Foundation and affiliates disclosing salaries on job ads & the effect of this on workplace equity

2020-09-11 Thread Peter Southwood
tter? When measuring internal equity, do we measure based on how expensive of a lifestyle each employee leads? On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 7:46 AM Peter Southwood wrote: > Should they? Their cost of living expenses may vary considerably. > Cheers, > Peter > > -Original Message-

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review

2020-09-11 Thread Peter Southwood
There was no clear statement of "this is the problematic text and this is why it is considered unacceptable", which is a thing that I consider a reasonable expectation, as it is possible to learn from it, understand it, pass constructive criticism or agreement, and use as it a precedent for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Foundation and affiliates disclosing salaries on job ads & the effect of this on workplace equity

2020-09-11 Thread Peter Southwood
Should they? Their cost of living expenses may vary considerably. Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Nathan Sent: 11 September 2020 13:39 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Foundation and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review

2020-09-11 Thread Peter Southwood
I would call this fair comment, and parallels can be drawn between how the UCoC may be used and the current discussion. Without clear statement on why a decision is made it cannot be properly understood, accepted or improved, and we end up in the usual spiral of speculation, accusation and bad

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review

2020-09-11 Thread Peter Southwood
he broader audience. Happily, this is something more than 99 percent of subscribers manage to do without effort. As I have repeatedly clarified, respectful discourse absolutely does not preclude criticism. Indeed, it is liable to make the criticism more likely to be heard. A. On Fri, 11 Sep 2020, 1

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review

2020-09-11 Thread Peter Southwood
Is there somewhere we can refer to the list of offensive and unacceptable expressions, and how they are determined? Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Anders Wennersten Sent: 11 September 2020 10:33 To:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review

2020-09-11 Thread Peter Southwood
It is not yet clear that the use of the words "fart" or "flatulence" are the actual issue. Context matters, but we do not know the full context yet, as the reasons have not been explained, leaving us with little option but to speculate. We are experiencing a failure of communication as much, or

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New board of Wikimedia Chile / Nuevo directorio de Wikimedia Chile

2020-09-11 Thread Peter Southwood
Good luck to all of you P -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Rocío Consales Sent: 10 September 2020 20:39 To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimedia-l] New board of Wikimedia Chile / Nuevo directorio de

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation notice

2020-09-11 Thread Peter Southwood
18:19 Uhr schrieb Peter Southwood < peter.southw...@telkomsa.net>: > Is the objection to the words he used or to the way he used them? > Cheers, > Peter > > -Original Message- > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On > Behalf >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation notice

2020-09-10 Thread Peter Southwood
Is the objection to the words he used or to the way he used them? Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Asaf Bartov Sent: 09 September 2020 21:57 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation notice

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review

2020-09-10 Thread Peter Southwood
For a UVoC to be helpful, it would have to be sufficiently clear about what is unacceptable, and why it is unacceptable, and would itself have to be sufficiently clear and acceptable to be seen as fair by the communities who would be bound by it. This is not easy to do, and the talk page

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review

2020-09-10 Thread Peter Southwood
Anders, I think you are referring to jargon. I agree that it should be avoided in the interests of clarity and ease of reliable translation. Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Anders Wennersten Sent: 10

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation notice

2020-09-10 Thread Peter Southwood
the opportunity to be a list administrator :D On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 at 19:41, Peter Southwood wrote: > Good judgement is often such a subjective thing, Everyone thinks they have > it. A bit like the Dunning-Kruger effect. > Cheers, > Peter > > -Original Message- &

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review

2020-09-10 Thread Peter Southwood
Are those things not already covered by the terms of use? Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Amir Sarabadani Sent: 10 September 2020 13:22 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation notice

2020-09-10 Thread Peter Southwood
misconduct, need not apply. A. On Thu, 10 Sep 2020, 12:58 Peter Southwood wrote: > Asaf, > What are the criteria for eligibility as moderator for this list? > Cheers, > Peter > > -Original Message- > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikim

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation notice

2020-09-10 Thread Peter Southwood
Asaf, What are the criteria for eligibility as moderator for this list? Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Asaf Bartov Sent: 10 September 2020 11:07 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l]

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation notice

2020-09-10 Thread Peter Southwood
Is there a record somewhere of what unacceptable language was used and against what standard it was judged to be unacceptable? Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Asaf Bartov Sent: 09 September 2020 21:57 To:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Institutional memory @ WMF

2020-08-28 Thread Peter Southwood
Maybe you could take on an official historian. Cheers, P -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Delphine Ménard Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 19:06 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Institutional memory @

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Institutional memory @ WMF

2020-08-28 Thread Peter Southwood
This is the sort of information that should be in the official history. Cheers, P -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Pete Forsyth Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 22:37 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l]

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Universal Code of Conduct Drafting Committee - Call for participation

2020-08-04 Thread Peter Southwood
always feel free to let us know of other ideas to improve the process for community feedback gathering! Best regards, Christel Christel Steigenberger (she/her) Trust and Safety Specialist Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/> On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 8:44 PM Peter Sou

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Universal Code of Conduct Drafting Committee - Call for participation

2020-08-01 Thread Peter Southwood
Hi Christel I am glad to hear that, and I hope that proper consultation will occur with all potentially affected parties, in places where they can comment and point out problems on user friendly or at least familiar software, over at least a reasonably representative range of languages, and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Universal Code of Conduct Drafting Committee - Call for participation

2020-08-01 Thread Peter Southwood
for participation Hoi, So what is your alternative, what do you have as an alternative? Thanks, GerardM On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 at 20:24, Peter Southwood wrote: > Hi Christel, > I wish the committee well, and success in coming up with a workable > policy. This is fine as long as no a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Universal Code of Conduct Drafting Committee - Call for participation

2020-07-30 Thread Peter Southwood
Hi Christel, I wish the committee well, and success in coming up with a workable policy. This is fine as long as no assumption is made that these people represent the communities in any way other than for themselves. They may be fine people and may even have excellent ideas and skills suited to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

2020-07-21 Thread Peter Southwood
Could even be that no-one has gotten around to writing any policies and guidance, and everyone is just winging it with very little oversight. How could we know? Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Dennis

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

2020-07-21 Thread Peter Southwood
List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system Hoi, How can OTRS be part of Wikipedia, it is there for any and all projects. Thanks, GerardM On Sat, 11 Jul 2020 at 10:48, Peter Southwood wrote: > Context is necessary to understand this. > If OTRS part of Wik

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

2020-07-18 Thread Peter Southwood
Seems to me that if someone does not specify a motivation, we leave it as that - no motivation. It you want to know what it is, you ask. You may get an answer, but sometimes it is not particularly relevant, as the question may be worth asking for whatever reason because the answer could be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

2020-07-11 Thread Peter Southwood
List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system On Sat, 11 Jul 2020 at 10:48, Peter Southwood wrote: > Context is necessary to understand this. > If OTRS part of Wikipedia? I don't understand that question. The cited answer was received from . If not, Which ANI? >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

2020-07-11 Thread Peter Southwood
Context is necessary to understand this. If OTRS part of Wikipedia? If not, Which ANI? Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Aron Manning Sent: 11 July 2020 09:23 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Citizendium shutting down

2020-07-05 Thread Peter Southwood
If it was just a matter of money to keep the servers running, I would say yes, but if they have no editors there would not be a lot of point. We could offer an archive, and assimilation. Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org]

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia servers

2020-06-29 Thread Peter Southwood
it seems this problem is localised on our Africa based users? Regards Seddon On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 3:05 PM Peter Southwood < peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote: > I get this: > > The connection has timed out > > The server at en.wikipedia.org is taking too long to resp

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia servers

2020-06-29 Thread Peter Southwood
, Jun 29, 2020 at 3:24 PM Peter Southwood < peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote: > Is anyone else unable to get through to the Wikimedia servers? > > Cheers, > > Peter > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia servers

2020-06-29 Thread Peter Southwood
Is anyone else unable to get through to the Wikimedia servers? Cheers, Peter ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board update on Branding: next steps

2020-06-29 Thread Peter Southwood
Dunning and Kruger identified the effect, unfortunately they did not identify a cure. Cheers, P -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Gerard Meijssen Sent: 29 June 2020 12:36 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board update on Branding: next steps

2020-06-29 Thread Peter Southwood
So far it has been an ongoing process. No obvious reason to expect a change. Cheers, P -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Dan Szymborski Sent: 28 June 2020 18:13 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board update on Branding: next steps

2020-06-27 Thread Peter Southwood
It is not methodologically sound to continue using a survey which is unfit for purpose, regardless of how many people have responded. It is ethically questionable to continue using a survey which simply does not allow for the possibility of being completely wrong when this possibility has been

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board update on Branding: next steps

2020-06-27 Thread Peter Southwood
That is a really poorly designed survey unless it has been changed since I last saw it. Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Zack McCune Sent: 27 June 2020 02:37 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the Wikimedia-movement apolitical?

2020-04-26 Thread Peter Southwood
Of course not, we have a strong bias in favour of freedom of information, accuracy, and verifiability to reliable sources. Also, officially, civil discourse and decision by consensus. It is written into our basic policies (speaking as an en: Wikipedian, other projects may differ). Most policy

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Comment Open on U.S. Open Access Policy

2020-04-23 Thread Peter Southwood
The entertainment industry has more influential lobbyists? P -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of James Salsman Sent: 20 April 2020 23:40 To: Wikimedia Mailing List; Yaroslav Blanter Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Comment Open on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal towards a multilingual Wikipedia and a new Wikipedia project

2020-04-20 Thread Peter Southwood
One of the advantages of this project is that the best of each Wikipedia can be used, allowing smaller Wikipedias to concentrate on topics of local interest and importance which are not in the other language wikipedias, and these can be used in the major wikipedias, expanding their diversity if

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Summary of the Brand Project presentation

2020-04-18 Thread Peter Southwood
I agree. It did not seem to say anything much. Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Fæ Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 3:06 PM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Summary of the Brand Project

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Що робить вас щасливими цього тижня? / What's making you happy this week? (Week of 5 April 2020)

2020-04-15 Thread Peter Southwood
A very interesting proposal for a new wiki by Denny Vrandečić at https://arxiv.org/abs/2004.04733 (What's making me happy this week) Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Pine W Sent: 15 April 2020 08:36 To:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal towards a multilingual Wikipedia and a new Wikipedia project

2020-04-14 Thread Peter Southwood
Based on my first read-through of the paper, I think this would be something worth doing. Cheers, Peter. -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Denny Vrandecic Sent: 14 April 2020 02:53 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brand Project: Who are we as a movement?

2020-04-10 Thread Peter Southwood
; > > untiil thats taken place.It's like asking the fox to rebuild > the > > > hen > > > > > house, I just dont see how I could support anything they > recommend. > > > > > > > > > > After the dollars, and t=volunteer time that has been pumped int

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brand Project: Who are we as a movement?

2020-03-15 Thread Peter Southwood
about Wikimedia for the last 15 years [1] and I learned that documentation may be relevant but it is unlikely to make people see what is in front of them. Thanks, GerardM [1] https://ultimategerardm.blogspot.com/ On Sun, 15 Mar 2020 at 11:16, Peter Southwood wrote: > It is grossly unrealis

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brand Project: Who are we as a movement?

2020-03-15 Thread Peter Southwood
its positive *and* negative benefits. Often the negative benefits seem to outweigh the positive, unfortunately. Aron On Sun, 15 Mar 2020 at 11:17, Peter Southwood wrote: > It is grossly unrealistic to blame English Wikipedia and its editing > community for what you appear to co

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brand Project: Who are we as a movement?

2020-03-15 Thread Peter Southwood
On Sun, 15 Mar 2020 at 06:19, Peter Southwood wrote: > Gerard, You start off by correctly specifying that Wikipedia is about 300 > projects and make several good points about how people confuse Wikipedia > with English Wikipedia, how this bias adversely affects various other &

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brand Project: Who are we as a movement?

2020-03-14 Thread Peter Southwood
Gerard, You start off by correctly specifying that Wikipedia is about 300 projects and make several good points about how people confuse Wikipedia with English Wikipedia, how this bias adversely affects various other projects, and then claim that "Wikipedia" is "universally understood to be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brand Project: Who are we as a movement?

2020-03-14 Thread Peter Southwood
I put a reply on the "What does free knowledge mean to you" questionnaire, but it did not turn up on the list below the edit box. Is the set of published replies being censored or cherry-picked to remove anything that someone does not like? Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brand Project: Who are we as a movement?

2020-03-14 Thread Peter Southwood
Perhaps you do, but do the volunteer communities of the projects you would like to rename share this enthusiasm? Peter -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Dennis During Sent: 14 March 2020 00:20 To: Wikimedia Mailing List

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brand Project: Who are we as a movement?

2020-03-13 Thread Peter Southwood
I would agree with this in principle. From what I have seen so far, it looks like either Snøhetta have not done their homework on how we operate, or they have the arrogance of PR agencies, don't care, and plan to spin their way through with smoke and mirrors, flashy pages with lots of buzz,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia is nothing more than “Lord of the Flies”,Re: Treatment of newbies with mild CoI

2020-03-02 Thread Peter Southwood
I am not getting your point here. Could you try to explain more clearly. It would help if you used the correct words, or if you are do not know them, give the equivalent in your own language so we can get a meaningful translation. It is not even clear which Wikipedia you are complaining about.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Treatment of newbies with mild CoI

2020-02-25 Thread Peter Southwood
Also, overworked groups with large backlogs struggling to maintain high quality tend to have less patience with the inexperienced and not-yet-competent than we might like. It is also possible that some of the workers in those groups are not as competent as we would like them to be, but at those

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why renaming to Wikipedia will wreak havoc on other projects

2020-02-25 Thread Peter Southwood
This does seem unreasonable. Do they have an explanation at Commons? This is happening without standardising in one label Wikipedia, so it is jumping to quite a conclusion to assume that the issue is related. For the record, I am also opposed to rebranding to Wikipedia, but I do not think this

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps on Wikimedia Space

2020-02-21 Thread Peter Southwood
I think I agree with this. Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Gerard Meijssen Sent: 21 February 2020 15:50 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps on Wikimedia Space Hoi, There are too

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps on Wikimedia Space

2020-02-20 Thread Peter Southwood
Agree about the 3 features, have not given sufficient though to the rest yet to comment. Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Aron Manning Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 4:04 AM To: Wikimedia Mailing List

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