Why would Google want to start being honest and straightforward?
Cheers, Peter
-Original Message-
From: Michael Snow [mailto:wikipe...@frontier.com]
Sent: 19 January 2024 17:45
To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Google not indexing Wikisource for last few
Never again is always. Cheers, Peter
-Original Message-
From: Ziko van Dijk [mailto:zvand...@gmail.com]
Sent: 23 December 2023 19:54
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Arabic Wikipedia day of action
Hello,
I am most sure that 99,9% of German Wikipedians are aware
I guess that would depend on the mistakes. Some are inherently more tolerable
than others. Some should not be tolerated (depending on what one classifies as
‘mistakes’). Cheers, Peter
From: Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org]
Sent: 18 December 2023 18:38
Complaints about politics are business as usual. When we stop getting
complaints about politics is the time to worry, because we will have become
irrelevant.
Cheers,
Peter
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From: Lauren Worden [mailto:laurenworde...@gmail.com]
Sent: 12 September 2023 00:43
To:
Maybe it is not intended to be a Venn diagram, but just looks like one.
Cheers, Peter
From: Vi to [mailto:vituzzu.w...@gmail.com]
Sent: 12 September 2023 09:51
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Launch of Justapedia
Indeed Venn diagrams are a
This would be more convincing if our house was in order. It is not. Cheers,
Peter
From: Nathan [mailto:nawr...@gmail.com]
Sent: 18 August 2023 12:24
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Sharing an update on the Wikimedia Foundation
Knowledge Equity Fund’s grantees
This is fair comment, but the lack of transparency makes it impossible to make
a fair judgement. These things are not sufficiently obvious to just do them
without adequate explanation. Cheers, Peter
From: effe iets anders [mailto:effeietsand...@gmail.com]
Sent: 17 August 2023 05:44
To:
This is a bit like edit counts, in that it indicates nothing about the value of
the edits. In a way it is impressive that someone is so dedicated, but all the
guy at the top of the list needs to do to crash and burn is a couple of days of
inability to edit for reasons out of their control, so
It depends on how much you know about the topic, Both methods have their
advantages.
Cheers,
Peter
From: Todd Allen [mailto:toddmal...@gmail.com]
Sent: 17 May 2023 20:10
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: ChatGPT as a reliable source
Though, this does run the risk of
Agreed. The editor is responsible for their edits, if they fail to provide
suitable sourcing, misrepresent the cited source, plagiarise or infringe on
copyright that is on them. Do it too often and they get banned. We don’t need
to know how they composed the content, so we shouldn’t care.
conditions are cheaper is morally bankrupt. With that just hiring from certain
countries because its cheapest with the least amount of conditions, is also
morally bankrupt.
On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 at 16:02, Peter Southwood
wrote:
So leave them to rot because their standard of living is low
So leave them to rot because their standard of living is low and their
government is crap? Right.
From: Gnangarra [mailto:gnanga...@gmail.com]
Sent: 18 April 2023 13:49
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: [Wikitech-l] Re: Reflecting on my listening tour
Hiring people
There is nothing stopping an organisation from paying a decent salary and using
fair hiring practices even when not legally required to do so, and still
getting more bang for their bucks. In what way would that be immoral? Cheers, P
From: Gnangarra [mailto:gnanga...@gmail.com]
Sent: 18
Got to agree there. P
From: WereSpielChequers [mailto:werespielchequ...@gmail.com]
Sent: 17 April 2023 14:50
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: reflecting on my Wiki tour
Far from a pipe dream, a strategy of keeping useful functionality maintained
and working through
“Cowen has sufficient credentials to be treated as a reliable expert”
Maybe not for much longer.
Cheers, P.
From: The Cunctator [mailto:cuncta...@gmail.com]
Sent: 17 March 2023 17:49
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Bing-ChatGPT
This is an important development for
.
Kind regards
On Sun, 5 Feb 2023, 08:12 Peter Southwood, wrote:
“Not citing sources is probably a conscious design choice, as citing sources
would mean sharing the sources used to train the language models” This may be a
choice that comes back to bite them. Without citing their sources
they are for a reason.
1. https://time.com/6247678/openai-chatgpt-kenya-workers/
Subhashish
On Sat, Feb 4, 2023 at 1:06 PM Peter Southwood
wrote:
>From what I have seen the AIs are not great on citing sources. If they start
>citing reliable sources, their contributions can be ve
>From what I have seen the AIs are not great on citing sources. If they start
>citing reliable sources, their contributions can be verified, or not. If they
>produce verifiable, adequately sourced, well written information, are they a
>problem or a solution?
Cheers,
Peter
From: Gnangarra
Yes, but sometimes a yes/no answer does not reasonably represent reality.
Cheers, Peter
From: The Cunctator [mailto:cuncta...@gmail.com]
Sent: 25 January 2023 17:26
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: The Endowment, again
It looks like what Wikimedia is saying is they
A real loss, but his work will remain.
Peter
From: Johan Jönsson [mailto:brevlis...@gmail.com]
Sent: 25 January 2023 09:38
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] In memory of Holger Ellgaard
Holger Ellgaard – User:Holger.Ellgaard – has died.
Holger was one of the most
A Wikipedia account should be under the control of Wikipedians, following the
editorial policy for Wikipedia, but they could let WMF do the technical work if
such exists. WMF can and should run Wikimedia accounts. WMF running a
Wikipedia account could be misrepresentation.
Cheers,
Peter
during weekend. You
should not feel obligated to answer it during your days off. Thank you in
advance!
On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 5:23 PM Peter Southwood
wrote:
An interesting standoff. I don’t suppose anyone has analysed the potential
losses and gains associated with each option
t care
about some of the issues that needed to be fixed, but some of us do.
Cheers,
Chico Venancio
Em qui., 5 de jan. de 2023 às 11:22, Peter Southwood
escreveu:
It seems that sorting out problems that are pointed out during an approval
process is not an unreasonable thing to do, as leaving th
It seems that sorting out problems that are pointed out during an approval
process is not an unreasonable thing to do, as leaving them unchanged would be
irresponsible and extremely likely to cause other problems later. Asking
whether a vote result will be respected misses the issue of who it
You speak for yourself.
P
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From: Rey Bueno via Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org]
Sent: 17 December 2022 21:05
To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Cc: Rey Bueno
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Obnoxious fundraisers again: Undismissable notice
Here's a
Sometimes there are no good options.
Cheers,
Peter
From: Коля Красный via Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org]
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2022 00:12
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Cc: Коля Красный
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Decision of WLM in Ukraine organizers not to submit
Last I heard, Wikipedia is not for sale, so not much point in persuading
someone to try to buy it. Also some real competition could be good for
Wikipedia, and for that matter, good for the Wikimedia Foundation. It would
also be very interesting to see how a real challenge to English Wikipedia
Bit of jumping to conclusions there. ("a lot" does not imply "all", and
labelling things that are "fairly obvious" as an "open secret" is also a
distortion of reality )
Cheers,
Peter
-Original Message-
From: Rey Bueno via Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org]
Sent:
"Citations needed."
Not saying it is all wrong, a lot of it is fairly obvious, but some of it
is, or appears to be, somewhat biased. Could use a bit of copyediting in
places. Also, does not seem to say anything new.
Cheers, Peter
-Original Message-
From: reybueno1--- via Wikimedia-l
+1
There will always be mails that some people will not be interested in. Often
most of them. This does not mean that they are not relevant to the list. We can
delete them without reading them if they are not relevant to us.
Cheers,
Peter
From: Nathan [mailto:nawr...@gmail.com]
Sent: 03
Not sure how that would work.
P
From: Gregory Varnum [mailto:gregory.var...@gmail.com]
Sent: 03 October 2022 22:30
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: The new Signpost is out!
The Meta-Wiki based tech newsletter is available in a fair number of languages.
Perhaps a
I, too, would appreciate such enlightenment, Cheers, Peter
From: Andreas Kolbe [mailto:jayen...@gmail.com]
Sent: 16 September 2022 20:48
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Leadership Development Working Group is ready for
community feedback!
Dear Ivan,
I am very
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Is GoogleTV violating Wikipedia's license?
On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 at 10:18, Peter Southwood
wrote:
> If I understand the CC-by-sa licence correctly, Wikipedia and WMF
themselves do not
> own the copyright, it is owned by the contributors who created the text.
They ca
If I understand the CC-by-sa licence correctly, Wikipedia and WMF themselves do
not own the copyright, it is owned by the contributors who created the text.
They can take this up with Google, the WMF cannot. If you are one of those
contributors you can approach Google as misusing your
I took a look at Vikidia, thought I could do something for them, signed up with
an account, read what I could find of the guidance, and created an article on
Underwater diving, following the rules as I understood them, using properly
attributed CC-by-sa content from Simple English Wikipedia as
Yes, I find it more difficult to write for Simple English, because it
(Simple English) is not my first language and I do not think in it, and the
words I would normally use for the topics I prefer are not invented there
and have to be worked around, so it is translation a lot of the time. There
is
the bulk of the editors speak also a major
language which is used like lingua franca (like Russian for the Chuvash
Wikipedia, or perhaps Spanish for the Quechua Wikipedia). This makes the
problem less acute.
Best
Yaroslav
On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 8:44 PM Peter Southwood
wrote:
Interesting
Interesting research. Maybe I just missed it, but I didn’t notice any
discussion of relation of availability of reliable sources to coverage in
different languages. In English Wikipedia we are not allowed to write about
topics which are not covered by suitable sources, but there may also be
isetti_interview:_most_of_the_money_is_flowing_into_the_Global_South>
.
Thank you,
Megan
On Thu, Jun 2, 2022 at 6:52 PM Peter Southwood
wrote:
This seems a reasonable request.
Cheers,
Peter
From: Andreas Kolbe [mailto:jayen...@gmail.com]
Sent: 02 June 2022 15:13
To: Wi
This seems a reasonable request.
Cheers,
Peter
From: Andreas Kolbe [mailto:jayen...@gmail.com]
Sent: 02 June 2022 15:13
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Fact-checking Raju Narisetti in the Indian Express
Dear all,
Last weekend, an interview with Raju Narisetti,
Which may never happen. Cheers, Peter
-Original Message-
From: suvratjai...@gmail.com [mailto:suvratjai...@gmail.com]
Sent: 18 May 2022 06:30
To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] To make apodictic articles
We have to complete all stub articles in wikipedia.
+1
P
From: Samuel Klein [mailto:meta...@gmail.com]
Sent: 18 May 2022 22:44
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Simplifying governance processes
Dear Board (and all),
The growing complexity of governance efforts is defeating us. Process creep
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On Friday, May 6th, 2022 at 7:25 AM, Peter Southwood
wrote:
> In what way is "diverse people" offensive, and to whom? Cheers, Peter.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: H4CUSEG via Wikimedia-l [ma
How do you propose that relevant competencies be recognized, defined, or
assessed? Cheers, Peter
-Original Message-
From: H4CUSEG via Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org]
Sent: Friday, May 6, 2022 15:52
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Cc: H4CUSEG
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re:
In what way is "diverse people" offensive, and to whom? Cheers, Peter.
-Original Message-
From: H4CUSEG via Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org]
Sent: 04 May 2022 16:37
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Cc: H4CUSEG
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Are you considering running for the
And who will do all this tedious work? Cheers, Peter
From: g...@tiscali.it [mailto:g...@tiscali.it]
Sent: 01 May 2022 20:01
To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Open proxies and IP blocking
Another somewhat obvious solution: instead, or before, of blocking, make the
I am encouraged that it is as many as 27000, How was this number calculated?
Cheers, Peter (one of the 27000)
From: Felix Nartey [mailto:fnar...@wikimedia.org]
Sent: 29 April 2022 15:05
To: Mailing list for African Wikimedians
Cc: Wikimedia Mailing List; Shupai Mchuchu;
:14 AM Peter Southwood
wrote:
This question has been asked before, and so far no workable answer has been
suggested. Cheers, Peter.
From: H4CUSEG via Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org]
Sent: 20 April 2022 19:44
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Cc: H4CUSEG
Subject: [Wikimedia-l
This question has been asked before, and so far no workable answer has been
suggested. Cheers, Peter.
From: H4CUSEG via Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org]
Sent: 20 April 2022 19:44
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Cc: H4CUSEG
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Next steps: Universal Code
“the block message only shows up when I try to save the page”
That is just inexcusable. Symbolic of complete indifference to other people’s
time wasted. Why would a new editor treated like this ever bother to try again?
Block message with explanation and alternatives (with links) should come
This question has been asked before, and I have never seen a reasonably
practicable proposal for managing the problem. Cheers, Peter
From: H4CUSEG via Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org]
Sent: 20 April 2022 19:44
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Cc: H4CUSEG
Subject: [Wikimedia-l]
I used to use it, but then it broke so I stopped using it. Just one of the
things that died out because no-one could be bothered to maintain it. Cheers,
Peter
From: Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga [mailto:galder...@hotmail.com]
Sent: 17 April 2022 17:47
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject:
ese, Russian, Arabic, Spanish, French and English can be
categorized as hegemonic.
Kind regards,
Nattes
Le 13 avr. 2022 à 10:24, Peter Southwood a écrit
:
Hi Remy,
It might help if you defined what you mean by a non-hegemonic language. I would
not think it a term familiar to
Hi Remy,
It might help if you defined what you mean by a non-hegemonic language. I would
not think it a term familiar to most readers, and it is poorly covered by a
google search.
Cheers,
Peter
From: GERBET Remy via Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org]
Sent: 12 April 2022
I sympathise with a lot of what you say, but do you have a workable alternative
to reliable sources as currently defined? Peter
From: Frederick Noronha [mailto:fredericknoro...@gmail.com]
Sent: 11 April 2022 21:19
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] An Open Letter to Maryana
, Peter
From: Benjamin Lees [mailto:emufarm...@gmail.com]
Sent: 12 April 2022 10:36
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Open letter on negating race and ethnicity as
"meaningful distinctions" in the UCoC
On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 1:06 AM Peter Southwood
wrote:
D
Definitions of terminology makes sense in any document that is intended as an
enforceable guide to behavior. Without them, whose definition applies? Cheers,
Peter
-Original Message-
From: Lane Chance [mailto:zinkl...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2022 11:17
To: Wikimedia Mailing
Yes, that is what we are supposed to do and supposed to be good at. Cheers,
Peter
From: Ilario Valdelli [mailto:valde...@gmail.com]
Sent: 02 March 2022 10:31
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Sanctions against the Russian Federation; support
for Ukrainian Wikimedians
Good points, these. I hope someone will answer them.
Cheers,
Peter
-Original Message-
From: Inductiveload [mailto:inductivel...@gmail.com]
Sent: 26 January 2022 02:36
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Seeking community recommendations for Equity Fund
grantees
On 25
If the reason for deletion was to suppress undesirable content, why would one
want part of it to remain viewable? Cheers, Peter
From: Vi to [mailto:vituzzu.w...@gmail.com]
Sent: 17 January 2022 23:45
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: "content was" when deleting pages - is
“until a couple months ago, we didn't have backups for the media files”
How is that even possible?
Cheers, Peter
From: Amir Sarabadani [mailto:ladsgr...@gmail.com]
Sent: 01 January 2022 08:42
To: Wikitech-l
Cc: Wikimedia Mailing List; Wikimedia Commons Discussion List
Subject: [Wikimedia-l]
Is the community wishlist not for for projects run by volunteers? Volunteers do
what they choose, employees do what they are paid for. Keeping the Wikis
functional should be the work of employees and the WMF.
Cheers,
Peter
From: Gnangarra [mailto:gnanga...@gmail.com]
Sent: 29 December
Fair comment. If you want to keep editors, make sure they have functioning
tools. Is this not one of the reasons WMF was originally formed?
Cheers,
Peter
From: DerHexer via Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org]
Sent: 29 December 2021 12:11
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Cc:
Mailing List
Subject: [Marketing Mail] [Wikimedia-l] Re: [Marketing Mail] Re: Auction at
Christie's
On Mon, 6 Dec 2021 at 07:36, Peter Southwood
wrote:
>
> Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
Quite. As Jimmy notes in the WP:AN discussion which has already been linked to:
I was inst
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
Cheers,
P
From: Adam Wight [mailto:adam.m.wi...@gmail.com]
Sent: 03 December 2021 17:32
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: [Marketing Mail] [Wikimedia-l] Re: Auction at Christie's
This is a good opportunity for us to take a look at the new
Fair comment.
P
-Original Message-
From: nosebagb...@gmail.com [mailto:nosebagb...@gmail.com]
Sent: 27 November 2021 13:04
To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: [Marketing Mail] [Wikimedia-l] Re: Closing the comment period for
the Universal Code of Conduct Enforcement Draft
This is a strong argument for CC-by-sa whenever possible to push for
verifiability and traceability. The credit is secondary, almost irrelevant
compared to being able to track down the origins.
Cheers,
Peter
From: Andreas Kolbe [mailto:jayen...@gmail.com]
Sent: 25 November 2021 14:52
To:
Seems a reasonable idea. Cheers, Peter
From: Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l
[mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org]
Sent: 09 November 2021 14:16
To: 'Wikimedia Mailing List'
Cc: Alessandro Marchetti
Subject: [Marketing Mail] [Wikimedia-l] Re: Small gratitude to our fellow
wikimedians
I think perhaps you attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained
by incompetence.
Cheers,
Peter
From: Todd Allen [mailto:toddmal...@gmail.com]
Sent: 28 September 2021 10:01
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: [Marketing Mail] [Wikimedia-l] Re: About raising money
It's
Are these “facts of the matter” available for evidence focused rational
consideration?
Cheers,
Peter
From: Mike Godwin [mailto:mnemo...@gmail.com]
Sent: 30 August 2021 02:30
To: Andreas Kolbe
Cc: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikipedia issues in UNDARK.org #Opinion
mmons" are fundamental. As it is, this is not even
considered.
Thanks,
GerardM
On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 at 08:46, Peter Southwood
wrote:
And it is based on a fundamental misconception of the legally mandated role of
the WMF. Everything based on this false premise, fails.
Chee
And it is based on a fundamental misconception of the legally mandated role of
the WMF. Everything based on this false premise, fails.
Cheers,
Peter
From: Željko Blaće [mailto:zbl...@mi2.hr]
Sent: 17 August 2021 06:18
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia issues in
The problem is which political opinions would be acceptable on a user page, and
who gets to decide this. We are expected to edit neutrally, so expressing a
political opinion on a user page could be considered a declaration of
partisanship which could extend to editing behaviour.
Cheers,
Is all this stuff somewhere on Meta?
From: Isaac Olatunde [mailto:reachout2is...@gmail.com]
Sent: 17 May 2021 01:07
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Affiliations Committee Call for Candidates - June
2021
To add to Risker's question, which subcommittee is responsible
In what way would this clarify anything? Common sense is not so common, and
sometimes is not even rational. Reasonable person at least provides some
conditions for testing, though is also clearly not very useful in a
multicultural environment.
Cheers,
Peter
From: Wikimedia-l
If things are as bad as that then there should be and might already be an
offshore backup, possibly more than one, as it is a no-brainer, and I don’t
think WMF tech management and the board are stupid, and nor are those who
would wish to prevent it from happening. But plausible deniability.
Good points.
Are these maybe covered in a future stage of the project?
Cheers,
Peter
-Original Message-
From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of
Samuel Klein
Sent: 26 September 2020 19:26
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l]
Unfortunately I think all these points are valid. These behavious do not
improve communication for many of us. There seems to be a choice between
freedom of expression and effective communication in a multicultural group.
There is theoretically the option of asking for clarification, but it is
This is the point I was working on. I also have no confident answer to this
problem, but have a gut feel it is somewhere in between the extremes. There is
also the point that most people have some choice in where they live, though I
do not have any useful suggestion of how that should be
tter? When measuring
internal equity, do we measure based on how expensive of a lifestyle each
employee leads?
On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 7:46 AM Peter Southwood
wrote:
> Should they? Their cost of living expenses may vary considerably.
> Cheers,
> Peter
>
> -Original Message-
There was no clear statement of "this is the problematic text and this is why
it is considered unacceptable", which is a thing that I consider a reasonable
expectation, as it is possible to learn from it, understand it, pass
constructive criticism or agreement, and use as it a precedent for
Should they? Their cost of living expenses may vary considerably.
Cheers,
Peter
-Original Message-
From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf
Of Nathan
Sent: 11 September 2020 13:39
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Foundation and
I would call this fair comment, and parallels can be drawn between how the UCoC
may be used and the current discussion. Without clear statement on why a
decision is made it cannot be properly understood, accepted or improved, and we
end up in the usual spiral of speculation, accusation and bad
he broader audience.
Happily, this is something more than 99 percent of subscribers manage to do
without effort.
As I have repeatedly clarified, respectful discourse absolutely does not
preclude criticism. Indeed, it is liable to make the criticism more likely
to be heard.
A.
On Fri, 11 Sep 2020, 1
Is there somewhere we can refer to the list of offensive and unacceptable
expressions, and how they are determined?
Cheers,
Peter
-Original Message-
From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf
Of Anders Wennersten
Sent: 11 September 2020 10:33
To:
It is not yet clear that the use of the words "fart" or "flatulence" are the
actual issue. Context matters, but we do not know the full context yet, as the
reasons have not been explained, leaving us with little option but to
speculate. We are experiencing a failure of communication as much, or
Good luck to all of you
P
-Original Message-
From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of
Rocío Consales
Sent: 10 September 2020 20:39
To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] New board of Wikimedia Chile / Nuevo directorio de
18:19 Uhr schrieb Peter Southwood <
peter.southw...@telkomsa.net>:
> Is the objection to the words he used or to the way he used them?
> Cheers,
> Peter
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
> Behalf
>
Is the objection to the words he used or to the way he used them?
Cheers,
Peter
-Original Message-
From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf
Of Asaf Bartov
Sent: 09 September 2020 21:57
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation notice
For a UVoC to be helpful, it would have to be sufficiently clear about what is
unacceptable, and why it is unacceptable, and would itself have to be
sufficiently clear and acceptable to be seen as fair by the communities who
would be bound by it. This is not easy to do, and the talk page
Anders, I think you are referring to jargon. I agree that it should be avoided
in the interests of clarity and ease of reliable translation.
Cheers,
Peter
-Original Message-
From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of
Anders Wennersten
Sent: 10
the opportunity to be a
list administrator :D
On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 at 19:41, Peter Southwood
wrote:
> Good judgement is often such a subjective thing, Everyone thinks they have
> it. A bit like the Dunning-Kruger effect.
> Cheers,
> Peter
>
> -Original Message-
&
Are those things not already covered by the terms of use?
Cheers,
Peter
-Original Message-
From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of
Amir Sarabadani
Sent: 10 September 2020 13:22
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code
misconduct, need not
apply.
A.
On Thu, 10 Sep 2020, 12:58 Peter Southwood
wrote:
> Asaf,
> What are the criteria for eligibility as moderator for this list?
> Cheers,
> Peter
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikim
Asaf,
What are the criteria for eligibility as moderator for this list?
Cheers,
Peter
-Original Message-
From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf
Of Asaf Bartov
Sent: 10 September 2020 11:07
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l]
Is there a record somewhere of what unacceptable language was used and
against what standard it was judged to be unacceptable?
Cheers,
Peter
-Original Message-
From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf
Of Asaf Bartov
Sent: 09 September 2020 21:57
To:
Maybe you could take on an official historian.
Cheers,
P
-Original Message-
From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of
Delphine Ménard
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 19:06
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Institutional memory @
This is the sort of information that should be in the official history.
Cheers,
P
-Original Message-
From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf
Of Pete Forsyth
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 22:37
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l]
always feel free to let us know of other ideas to improve the
process for community feedback gathering!
Best regards,
Christel
Christel Steigenberger (she/her)
Trust and Safety Specialist
Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/>
On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 8:44 PM Peter Sou
Hi Christel
I am glad to hear that, and I hope that proper consultation will occur with all
potentially affected parties, in places where they can comment and point out
problems on user friendly or at least familiar software, over at least a
reasonably representative range of languages, and
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