Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)
Hubertl, 18/06/2013 07:00: Hi Johan, Anders Wennersten says: And as shown earlier we have learned that this actually helps recruting and keeping editors ??? It is difficult to draw conclusions about user behavior. The more difficult it is to say something about the behavior of persons, which are not yet detectable part of the community. Because it's probably the most difficulty to make predictions about facts that take place in the future. Well, sv.wiki has just volunteered to be your guinea pig as the first botpedia after Volapuk. :) I think it will be possible to make at least some simple stats like how many new editors we got with first edit on one of these articles, what's their retention etc. If the experiment fails, we may see mass-deletion of a million bot articles in a few years: it wouldn't be the first time, deleting is very easy. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)
I am happy to see that you, as well as Hubertl, is happy to go on as you always have done. I do not have the ambition to change your view on life, but to reach out to others open to the new opportunities that automation gives us in better reahing our aim free knowledge for all The base fact figures for sv:wp is Increase of views +23% on yearly basis, WM:DE +3, WMF:Fr +8 (all mature wikipediauser communities), nl with +14 and wm:it with +16 also very good figures (Spain Russia, and Portugal still in a built up phase have higher numbers) http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesPageViewsMonthlyCombined.htm Editor 1 and 5 somewhat up or stable, new editor up in Jan, Feb, March, but down in April (eastertime) http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaSV.htm For my statement though I base it on that I 24/7 monitor ALL edits (there is around 50 in 15 min, 500 on 2,5 h, longer during night). And I have observed the effect of introducing our lakearticles (these are made up from three sources containing more then 100 different items of data, see for example http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lista_%C3%B6ver_insj%C3%B6ar_i_Ljungby_kommun where you can pick any or from the googlemap can find any from its place). And here I find after these are created a flur of new edits in old articles (as well as these) many from earlier more passive contributers users, and even some new. And there are photo safaris now being discussed to take photos of some of all these lakes (we find that to work with articles close to your home seems to be very simulating) Anders Federico Leva (Nemo) skrev 2013-06-18 08:05: Hubertl, 18/06/2013 07:00: Hi Johan, Anders Wennersten says: And as shown earlier we have learned that this actually helps recruting and keeping editors ??? It is difficult to draw conclusions about user behavior. The more difficult it is to say something about the behavior of persons, which are not yet detectable part of the community. Because it's probably the most difficulty to make predictions about facts that take place in the future. Well, sv.wiki has just volunteered to be your guinea pig as the first botpedia after Volapuk. :) I think it will be possible to make at least some simple stats like how many new editors we got with first edit on one of these articles, what's their retention etc. If the experiment fails, we may see mass-deletion of a million bot articles in a few years: it wouldn't be the first time, deleting is very easy. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)
Anders Wennersten, 18/06/2013 09:00: I am happy to see that you, as well as Hubertl, is happy to go on as you always have done. I do not have the ambition to change your view on life, [...] To clarify, my view on life didn't include any item about bot article creation last time I checked. There's also nothing I always have done on this topic, as far as I remember: I'm just observing global patterns in our wikis. I really don't care about single instances of the patterns, especially when I can't do anything about them. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)
I am a bit suprised about the lack of trying to understand and develop mindsets here. I joined this mailing list the other day in the belief that it was directed at discussing current topics in the Wikimedia community in a constructive manner. So far I have not found overwhelming proof of this. Hopefully I can be proved wrong. Best of wishes, Per Wikipedia user Paracel63 2013-06-18, 09:32, skrev Federico Leva (Nemo): Anders Wennersten, 18/06/2013 09:00: I am happy to see that you, as well as Hubertl, is happy to go on as you always have done. I do not have the ambition to change your view on life, [...] To clarify, my view on life didn't include any item about bot article creation last time I checked. There's also nothing I always have done on this topic, as far as I remember: I'm just observing global patterns in our wikis. I really don't care about single instances of the patterns, especially when I can't do anything about them. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)
Hi Per, The discussions on this list can be heated, and not everyone is always on their best behavior. All the caveats of debate on the Internet apply, and any personality problems you might encounter on Wikimedia projects occur on the lists as well. This is particularly so when, as in this case, the topic has been debated for many years without real resolution. ~Nathan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 3:00 AM, Anders Wennersten m...@anderswennersten.se wrote: The base fact figures for sv:wp is Increase of views +23% on yearly basis, WM:DE +3, WMF:Fr +8 (all mature wikipediauser communities), nl with +14 and wm:it with +16 also very good figures (Spain Russia, and Portugal still in a built up phase have higher numbers) http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/**TablesPageViewsMonthlyCombined** .htm http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesPageViewsMonthlyCombined.htm Editor 1 and 5 somewhat up or stable, new editor up in Jan, Feb, March, but down in April (eastertime) http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaSV.htm Instead of just discussing this topic as always has been done, it would be great to take advantage of the opportunity to monitor changes in the sv-wp community as a result of this massive automated article creation. For me it would be interesting to know: 1) current perception in the community about automated articles correlated with the number of contributions by the person answering. 2) impact of the newly created articles: views, human edits done to those articles (specially nr of bytes added), correlation with nr of previous edits 3) changes in the community after 1 year, survey of new members, of those, how many registered after seeing a bot article vs how many after seeing a human-created article? 4) some metrics about the article quality (maybe with AFT) Otherwise the same arguments are going to be repeated over and over again, year after year, without ever reaching a conclusion, or without ever learning which impact those articles might have. Cheers, Micru ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)
2013-06-18, 06:34, skrev Hubertl: Loosing our original idea for which this project is donated by thousands of donaters! From which you are paid for. As an unpaid, long term Wikipedian in Residence I do know what I´m talking about. Hello! I'm interested in knowing more of your experience (as a WiR) in relation to our current topics. Do you have a link to relevant data och texts/reports? Many thanks in advance, /Per Wikipedia user Paracel63 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)
On 18 June 2013 16:53, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote: great to take advantage of the opportunity to monitor changes in the sv-wp community as a result of this massive automated article creation. For me it would be interesting to know: [suggestions for metrics] Otherwise the same arguments are going to be repeated over and over again, year after year, without ever reaching a conclusion, or without ever learning which impact those articles might have. +1 - d. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)
Many thanks for the resumé. I thought it would be like this, as I've followed the development of the different wikipedias (content and key factors) since 2008. BTW, is there a (searchable) list archive? Best of wishes, /Per 2013-06-18, 17:29, skrev Nathan: Hi Per, The discussions on this list can be heated, and not everyone is always on their best behavior. All the caveats of debate on the Internet apply, and any personality problems you might encounter on Wikimedia projects occur on the lists as well. This is particularly so when, as in this case, the topic has been debated for many years without real resolution. ~Nathan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)
Per A.J. Andersson, 18/06/2013 18:05: Many thanks for the resumé. I thought it would be like this, as I've followed the development of the different wikipedias (content and key factors) since 2008. BTW, is there a (searchable) list archive? http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.foundation/ More info at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists There is a summary at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Manual_for_small_and_new_Wikipedias#Content_questions, where I added some links a few days ago including https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposal_for_Policy_on_overuse_of_bots_in_Wikipedias Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)
On 16/06/13 15:24, Johan Jönsson wrote: 2013/6/16 Ilario Valdelli valde...@gmail.com I think that Anders is saying that the result of Wikimedia Swedish is due to a work of bots and to a work of people. It means that this result is contrary to the WMF strategy which would have more people and more contributors. The next millions of articles will be reached by Polish Wikipedia but also by cebuan Wikipedia and by Warai-Warai Wikipedia. May be it's the time to have only bots to write in Wikipedia? I hope that in future the number of articles will be counted considering at least a small content ad not only a template in a page, because the use like this will discourage the communities of editors. I would say our experience is that it doesn't affect the number of human editors at all in any way. A couple of people run bots that create very short articles about taxons or other stuff that, to be honest, probably wouldn't have been created otherwise. These articles have very few readers. Why on Earth would this discourage us? Our main problem is that browsing Swedish Wikipedia using the random article button isn't as fun as it used to be. That's probably fixable. I am again using the opportunity to remind that all of this will soon be completely unnecessary since it should be possible to generate the articles on the fly from Wikidata data. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)
In the beginning there were a mass of article created manually that was substandard and which today would not be accepted as proper articles A little later (several year ago now) a mass of articles were botgenerated that were substandard and could not be seen as proper wp:articles We have since long learned how to write good articles created by our editors. We are just now, on a few wikiepdiaverisons, learning how to create good articles by bots, that give both facts, content, context and knowledge (also using the new new valuable tool Wikidata which is a good component but not all that is needed) I am proud to be active in one of these versions mastering this new intellectual challenge, of huge value in providing free knowledge for all. And as shown earlier we have learned that this actually helps recruting and keeping editors Anders Hubertl skrev 2013-06-17 12:09: Payin´ peanuts, gettin´ monkeys Servin´ facts, gettin´ idiots. An unmanageable, not maintainable mass of articles is the best way to breed idiots. Because facts do not create knowledge. If that is our goal, then automatically created Wikipedias ar the best way to solve one of our biggest problems, namely the permanent loss of authors. Maybe it is completely sufficient if you know that somewhere facts are stored in a most possible stupid form. I started more than fifty years ago learning about facts, facts without understanding. But nine years ago I startet to learn something about knowledge, understanding and correlations. Why do not you need people like me? If we have bots now? Do we want to make ourselves more important with impressive numbers? Hubertl! The german language Wikipedia has no single article that was generated by a bot. I'm proud of it. If this would take place in de:WP, many people will leave this project. With certainty. Anyway, that does not matter, a bot is probably much better for monkeys! Am 16.06.2013 14:51, schrieb Nurunnaby Chowdhury: Congratulations swedish wikipedians *Nurunnaby Chowdhury Hasive* Bangladesh Ambassador | Open Knowledge Network Foundation (OKFN)http://www.okfn.org Auto-confirmed, Reviewer Roll backer Editor | Bangla Wikipediahttp://bn.wikipedia.org/wiki/user:nhasive Treasurer Coordinator (PR) | Bangladesh Open Source Network (BdOSN)http://www.bdosn.org Coordinator (PR) | Society for the Popularization of Science, Bangladesh (SPSB) http://www.spsb.org* *Central Team MOVers | Bangladesh Mathematical Olympiad Committee (BdMO)http://www.matholympiad.org.bd Facebook: fb.com/nhasive | Twitter: @nhasivehttp://www.twitter.com/nhasive| Skype: nhasive | www.nhasive.com On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote: grattis mina kompisar! *Jag känner en bott, hon heter Lsjbot, Lsjbot heter hon...* It looks like Polish will be the next to hit the symbolic number: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias#100_000.2B_articles wittylama.com Peace, love metadata On 16 June 2013 22:39, Tonmoy Khan tonmoy...@gmail.com wrote: Congratulations!!! Tonmoy On Jun 16, 2013 6:30 PM, Patricio Lorente patricio.lore...@gmail.com wrote: Congratulations to the swedish wikipedians! 2013/6/16 Anders Wennersten m...@anderswennersten.se: Yesterday sv:wp reached 1 M articles. The one who did the passing was a bot generated article of a butterfly http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erysichton_elaborata. The bot behind this article is Lsjbot who creates articles from the database Catalogue of Life http://www.catalogueoflife.org/services/res/2011AC_26July.zip which (complemented by other databases) which holds data of around 1.5 million species. The bot genrates about 5000 new articles per day and has generated just under 400 000 of the sv:wps million and continues... The guy who runs he bot is a member of the Swedish chapters board http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Kandidater_2013/Sverker_Johansson and is in his civil life a University teacher. In this capacity he is also a guest lecturer at the university of the Phillipines where he stayed the last couple of months (and the bot was on hold). He is there active in Cebuano-Wikipedia http://ceb.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unang_Panid and supporting their local community, and he is now running his bot on their wikipedia as well as on the Warai-Warai Wikipedia http://war.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syahan_nga_Pakli. So perhaps at the end of the year these two language versions will also pass the 1 million mark! Anders PS out other major botgenerating effort of all lakes in Sweden is also making very nice progress, done 25% of all DS ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Patricio Lorente Blog: http://www.patriciolorente.com.ar Identi.ca // Twitter: @patriciolorente ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)
On 17.06.2013 12:36, Nikola Smolenski wrote: On 16/06/13 15:24, Johan Jönsson wrote: 2013/6/16 Ilario Valdelli valde...@gmail.com I think that Anders is saying that the result of Wikimedia Swedish is due to a work of bots and to a work of people. It means that this result is contrary to the WMF strategy which would have more people and more contributors. The next millions of articles will be reached by Polish Wikipedia but also by cebuan Wikipedia and by Warai-Warai Wikipedia. May be it's the time to have only bots to write in Wikipedia? I hope that in future the number of articles will be counted considering at least a small content ad not only a template in a page, because the use like this will discourage the communities of editors. I would say our experience is that it doesn't affect the number of human editors at all in any way. A couple of people run bots that create very short articles about taxons or other stuff that, to be honest, probably wouldn't have been created otherwise. These articles have very few readers. Why on Earth would this discourage us? Our main problem is that browsing Swedish Wikipedia using the random article button isn't as fun as it used to be. That's probably fixable. I am again using the opportunity to remind that all of this will soon be completely unnecessary since it should be possible to generate the articles on the fly from Wikidata data. you mean to generate on the fly only articles of this kind, not any article. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)
The use of wikidata instead of a bot is a good practice to provude good contant to all wikipedias because larger communities can control and fix errors instead of providing content by a bot and keep it outdated. Il giorno 17/giu/2013 15:53, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com ha scritto: Hoi, Please consider there are over 280 Wikipedias in as many languages. In many languages we have few articles. Providing information is our mission. We aim to provide well written articles. The argument is that we do not succeed at that. Actually it is not an argument, it is a fact. When the Germans feel they do not need bot generated articles, more power to them, when they assume that their example is to be copied I truly wonder if they understand the lack of resources in so many languages. It is fairly easy to find articles that are considered relevant to a sizable group of the German populace that are missing.. I am working towards providing this information by using Wikidata. The best part (for the Germans) is that I urge them to make sure that these articles exist and are well written .. in German. Thanks, GerardM PS I blogged about how this can be done several times in the past On 17 June 2013 15:43, Dimce Grozdanoski dimce.grozdano...@gmail.com wrote: On 17.06.2013 12:36, Nikola Smolenski wrote: On 16/06/13 15:24, Johan Jönsson wrote: 2013/6/16 Ilario Valdelli valde...@gmail.com I think that Anders is saying that the result of Wikimedia Swedish is due to a work of bots and to a work of people. It means that this result is contrary to the WMF strategy which would have more people and more contributors. The next millions of articles will be reached by Polish Wikipedia but also by cebuan Wikipedia and by Warai-Warai Wikipedia. May be it's the time to have only bots to write in Wikipedia? I hope that in future the number of articles will be counted considering at least a small content ad not only a template in a page, because the use like this will discourage the communities of editors. I would say our experience is that it doesn't affect the number of human editors at all in any way. A couple of people run bots that create very short articles about taxons or other stuff that, to be honest, probably wouldn't have been created otherwise. These articles have very few readers. Why on Earth would this discourage us? Our main problem is that browsing Swedish Wikipedia using the random article button isn't as fun as it used to be. That's probably fixable. I am again using the opportunity to remind that all of this will soon be completely unnecessary since it should be possible to generate the articles on the fly from Wikidata data. you mean to generate on the fly only articles of this kind, not any article. __**_ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.**org Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l __**_ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.**org Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)
We just published a blog post from Lennart Guldbransson on the Wikimedia blog about this milestone: http://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/06/17/swedish-wikipedia-1-million-articles/ On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 7:12 AM, Ilario Valdelli valde...@gmail.com wrote: The use of wikidata instead of a bot is a good practice to provude good contant to all wikipedias because larger communities can control and fix errors instead of providing content by a bot and keep it outdated. Il giorno 17/giu/2013 15:53, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com ha scritto: Hoi, Please consider there are over 280 Wikipedias in as many languages. In many languages we have few articles. Providing information is our mission. We aim to provide well written articles. The argument is that we do not succeed at that. Actually it is not an argument, it is a fact. When the Germans feel they do not need bot generated articles, more power to them, when they assume that their example is to be copied I truly wonder if they understand the lack of resources in so many languages. It is fairly easy to find articles that are considered relevant to a sizable group of the German populace that are missing.. I am working towards providing this information by using Wikidata. The best part (for the Germans) is that I urge them to make sure that these articles exist and are well written .. in German. Thanks, GerardM PS I blogged about how this can be done several times in the past On 17 June 2013 15:43, Dimce Grozdanoski dimce.grozdano...@gmail.com wrote: On 17.06.2013 12:36, Nikola Smolenski wrote: On 16/06/13 15:24, Johan Jönsson wrote: 2013/6/16 Ilario Valdelli valde...@gmail.com I think that Anders is saying that the result of Wikimedia Swedish is due to a work of bots and to a work of people. It means that this result is contrary to the WMF strategy which would have more people and more contributors. The next millions of articles will be reached by Polish Wikipedia but also by cebuan Wikipedia and by Warai-Warai Wikipedia. May be it's the time to have only bots to write in Wikipedia? I hope that in future the number of articles will be counted considering at least a small content ad not only a template in a page, because the use like this will discourage the communities of editors. I would say our experience is that it doesn't affect the number of human editors at all in any way. A couple of people run bots that create very short articles about taxons or other stuff that, to be honest, probably wouldn't have been created otherwise. These articles have very few readers. Why on Earth would this discourage us? Our main problem is that browsing Swedish Wikipedia using the random article button isn't as fun as it used to be. That's probably fixable. I am again using the opportunity to remind that all of this will soon be completely unnecessary since it should be possible to generate the articles on the fly from Wikidata data. you mean to generate on the fly only articles of this kind, not any article. __**_ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.**org Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l __**_ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.**org Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Matthew Roth Global Communications Manager Wikimedia Foundation +1.415.839.6885 ext 6635 www.wikimediafoundation.org *http://blog.wikimedia.org/* ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)
Hubertl, your e-mail was rude, even if you did not mean it to be. Please remember hundreds of people read every e-mail sent to this list, and civility is expected. Thanks, Asaf On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 1:22 PM, Per A.J. Andersson p...@telia.com wrote: Hi! Nice to know German language Wikipedia is full of sane people. Good for you. But maybe you don't need bots, so that's your decision. (You do not need infoboxes either, as I see it, and that's also your decision. Lsjbot makes infoboxes, among other things.) Yes, a larger database is more of a burden to support than a smaller one. Our experience at svwp is that automated help does not take away from the human part of the user community. Personally I think a larger database of comparable quality (built by any method) makes for a larger footprint = a greater chance of catching new editors. Wikipedia did that for me. My view on it is that larger communities can sustain and maintain a certain database easier than smaller communities. Wikipedia communities to a large extent depend on the language size surrounding it. We already have automation around us at several levels, and there are editing tools that make for faster editing – by humans. The use of these are seldom questioned. Best of wishes, /Per A.J. Andersson user Paracel63 at svwp (carbon-based lifeform from Sweden) 2013-06-17, 12:09, skrev Hubertl: Payin´ peanuts, gettin´ monkeys Servin´ facts, gettin´ idiots. An unmanageable, not maintainable mass of articles is the best way to breed idiots. Because facts do not create knowledge. If that is our goal, then automatically created Wikipedias ar the best way to solve one of our biggest problems, namely the permanent loss of authors. Maybe it is completely sufficient if you know that somewhere facts are stored in a most possible stupid form. I started more than fifty years ago learning about facts, facts without understanding. But nine years ago I startet to learn something about knowledge, understanding and correlations. Why do not you need people like me? If we have bots now? Do we want to make ourselves more important with impressive numbers? Hubertl! The german language Wikipedia has no single article that was generated by a bot. I'm proud of it. If this would take place in de:WP, many people will leave this project. With certainty. Anyway, that does not matter, a bot is probably much better for monkeys! __**_ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.**org Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-lhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Asaf Bartov Wikimedia Foundation http://www.wikimediafoundation.org Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! https://donate.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)
Hi Asaf, did you read my mail or is this an automated answer because of using the word monkey? Or is this a just a try like an official muzzle? Really rude for me is, when some Wikipedians think, they have to start a professional service company for transporting simple facts without efforts to transport and support knowlede to and from people. Especially if it turns out that these facts in not so few cases are wrong, as Kurt Kulac has already been demonstrated. Loosing our original idea for which this project is donated by thousands of donaters! From which you are paid for. As an unpaid, long term Wikipedian in Residence I do know what I´m talking about. With actions like this, we destroy our sources! All these facts are available right now openly. Why do we need these facts as a simple copy in Wikipedia? With no additional benefit? Except a dubious rise of so named articles. Wikipedia also has the charm of imperfection, which I certainly appreciate. The same imperfection, which is inherent to the people who will accomplish this tasks together with us. Unfortunately there are some people who think that everything imperfect must be destroyed. But we will never ever reach this perfection. Just as we can never be perfect by ourselves. In a world that is constantly changing. On your personal page on the foundation site, you cite Epictetus: I will reply with Epictetus too: No thing great is created suddenly, any more than a bunch of grapes or a fig. If you tell me that you desire a fig, I answer you that there must be time. Let it first blossom, then bear fruit, then ripen. h. Am 17.06.2013 22:27, schrieb Asaf Bartov: Hubertl, your e-mail was rude, even if you did not mean it to be. Please remember hundreds of people read every e-mail sent to this list, and civility is expected. Thanks, Asaf On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 1:22 PM, Per A.J. Andersson p...@telia.com wrote: Hi! Nice to know German language Wikipedia is full of sane people. Good for you. But maybe you don't need bots, so that's your decision. (You do not need infoboxes either, as I see it, and that's also your decision. Lsjbot makes infoboxes, among other things.) Yes, a larger database is more of a burden to support than a smaller one. Our experience at svwp is that automated help does not take away from the human part of the user community. Personally I think a larger database of comparable quality (built by any method) makes for a larger footprint = a greater chance of catching new editors. Wikipedia did that for me. My view on it is that larger communities can sustain and maintain a certain database easier than smaller communities. Wikipedia communities to a large extent depend on the language size surrounding it. We already have automation around us at several levels, and there are editing tools that make for faster editing – by humans. The use of these are seldom questioned. Best of wishes, /Per A.J. Andersson user Paracel63 at svwp (carbon-based lifeform from Sweden) 2013-06-17, 12:09, skrev Hubertl: Payin´ peanuts, gettin´ monkeys Servin´ facts, gettin´ idiots. An unmanageable, not maintainable mass of articles is the best way to breed idiots. Because facts do not create knowledge. If that is our goal, then automatically created Wikipedias ar the best way to solve one of our biggest problems, namely the permanent loss of authors. Maybe it is completely sufficient if you know that somewhere facts are stored in a most possible stupid form. I started more than fifty years ago learning about facts, facts without understanding. But nine years ago I startet to learn something about knowledge, understanding and correlations. Why do not you need people like me? If we have bots now? Do we want to make ourselves more important with impressive numbers? Hubertl! The german language Wikipedia has no single article that was generated by a bot. I'm proud of it. If this would take place in de:WP, many people will leave this project. With certainty. Anyway, that does not matter, a bot is probably much better for monkeys! __**_ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.**org Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-lhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)
Hi Anders, you wrote: And as shown earlier we have learned that this actually helps recruting and keeping editors Do you have any prove for that or is this just a speculation or your personal wishes? Does this mean that the Swedish community precisely because this botwork has - against the general trend - no loss of authors? I know very well what it means to attract new authors and to retain them. But I also know that it is not because of automated welcome bots, but mostly with personal contact. By this logic, any other Wikipedias, which even have a higher proportion of automated generated articles will get even more new authors. If this is all true, I would change my mind immediately! hu Am 17.06.2013 12:43, schrieb Anders Wennersten: In the beginning there were a mass of article created manually that was substandard and which today would not be accepted as proper articles A little later (several year ago now) a mass of articles were botgenerated that were substandard and could not be seen as proper wp:articles We have since long learned how to write good articles created by our editors. We are just now, on a few wikiepdiaverisons, learning how to create good articles by bots, that give both facts, content, context and knowledge (also using the new new valuable tool Wikidata which is a good component but not all that is needed) I am proud to be active in one of these versions mastering this new intellectual challenge, of huge value in providing free knowledge for all. And as shown earlier we have learned that this actually helps recruting and keeping editors Anders Hubertl skrev 2013-06-17 12:09: Payin´ peanuts, gettin´ monkeys Servin´ facts, gettin´ idiots. An unmanageable, not maintainable mass of articles is the best way to breed idiots. Because facts do not create knowledge. If that is our goal, then automatically created Wikipedias ar the best way to solve one of our biggest problems, namely the permanent loss of authors. Maybe it is completely sufficient if you know that somewhere facts are stored in a most possible stupid form. I started more than fifty years ago learning about facts, facts without understanding. But nine years ago I startet to learn something about knowledge, understanding and correlations. Why do not you need people like me? If we have bots now? Do we want to make ourselves more important with impressive numbers? Hubertl! The german language Wikipedia has no single article that was generated by a bot. I'm proud of it. If this would take place in de:WP, many people will leave this project. With certainty. Anyway, that does not matter, a bot is probably much better for monkeys! Am 16.06.2013 14:51, schrieb Nurunnaby Chowdhury: Congratulations swedish wikipedians *Nurunnaby Chowdhury Hasive* Bangladesh Ambassador | Open Knowledge Network Foundation (OKFN)http://www.okfn.org Auto-confirmed, Reviewer Roll backer Editor | Bangla Wikipediahttp://bn.wikipedia.org/wiki/user:nhasive Treasurer Coordinator (PR) | Bangladesh Open Source Network (BdOSN)http://www.bdosn.org Coordinator (PR) | Society for the Popularization of Science, Bangladesh (SPSB) http://www.spsb.org* *Central Team MOVers | Bangladesh Mathematical Olympiad Committee (BdMO)http://www.matholympiad.org.bd Facebook: fb.com/nhasive | Twitter: @nhasivehttp://www.twitter.com/nhasive| Skype: nhasive | www.nhasive.com On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote: grattis mina kompisar! *Jag känner en bott, hon heter Lsjbot, Lsjbot heter hon...* It looks like Polish will be the next to hit the symbolic number: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias#100_000.2B_articles wittylama.com Peace, love metadata On 16 June 2013 22:39, Tonmoy Khan tonmoy...@gmail.com wrote: Congratulations!!! Tonmoy On Jun 16, 2013 6:30 PM, Patricio Lorente patricio.lore...@gmail.com wrote: Congratulations to the swedish wikipedians! 2013/6/16 Anders Wennersten m...@anderswennersten.se: Yesterday sv:wp reached 1 M articles. The one who did the passing was a bot generated article of a butterfly http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erysichton_elaborata. The bot behind this article is Lsjbot who creates articles from the database Catalogue of Life http://www.catalogueoflife.org/services/res/2011AC_26July.zip which (complemented by other databases) which holds data of around 1.5 million species. The bot genrates about 5000 new articles per day and has generated just under 400 000 of the sv:wps million and continues... The guy who runs he bot is a member of the Swedish chapters board http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Kandidater_2013/Sverker_Johansson and is in his civil life a University teacher. In this capacity he is also a guest lecturer at the university of the Phillipines where he stayed the last couple of months (and the bot was on hold). He is there active in Cebuano-Wikipedia http://ceb.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unang_Panid and supporting their local
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)
Am 16.06.2013 15:24, schrieb Johan Jönsson: I would say our experience is that it doesn't affect the number of human editors at all in any way. Hi Johan, Anders Wennersten says: And as shown earlier we have learned that this actually helps recruting and keeping editors ??? It is difficult to draw conclusions about user behavior. The more difficult it is to say something about the behavior of persons, which are not yet detectable part of the community. Because it's probably the most difficulty to make predictions about facts that take place in the future. h A couple of people run bots that create very short articles about taxons or other stuff that, to be honest, probably wouldn't have been created otherwise. These articles have very few readers. Why on Earth would this discourage us? Our main problem is that browsing Swedish Wikipedia using the random article button isn't as fun as it used to be. That's probably fixable. //Johan Jönsson -- ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)
Congratulations to the swedish wikipedians! 2013/6/16 Anders Wennersten m...@anderswennersten.se: Yesterday sv:wp reached 1 M articles. The one who did the passing was a bot generated article of a butterfly http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erysichton_elaborata. The bot behind this article is Lsjbot who creates articles from the database Catalogue of Life http://www.catalogueoflife.org/services/res/2011AC_26July.zip which (complemented by other databases) which holds data of around 1.5 million species. The bot genrates about 5000 new articles per day and has generated just under 400 000 of the sv:wps million and continues... The guy who runs he bot is a member of the Swedish chapters board http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Kandidater_2013/Sverker_Johansson and is in his civil life a University teacher. In this capacity he is also a guest lecturer at the university of the Phillipines where he stayed the last couple of months (and the bot was on hold). He is there active in Cebuano-Wikipedia http://ceb.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unang_Panid and supporting their local community, and he is now running his bot on their wikipedia as well as on the Warai-Warai Wikipedia http://war.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syahan_nga_Pakli. So perhaps at the end of the year these two language versions will also pass the 1 million mark! Anders PS out other major botgenerating effort of all lakes in Sweden is also making very nice progress, done 25% of all DS ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Patricio Lorente Blog: http://www.patriciolorente.com.ar Identi.ca // Twitter: @patriciolorente ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)
Congratulations!!! Tonmoy On Jun 16, 2013 6:30 PM, Patricio Lorente patricio.lore...@gmail.com wrote: Congratulations to the swedish wikipedians! 2013/6/16 Anders Wennersten m...@anderswennersten.se: Yesterday sv:wp reached 1 M articles. The one who did the passing was a bot generated article of a butterfly http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erysichton_elaborata. The bot behind this article is Lsjbot who creates articles from the database Catalogue of Life http://www.catalogueoflife.org/services/res/2011AC_26July.zip which (complemented by other databases) which holds data of around 1.5 million species. The bot genrates about 5000 new articles per day and has generated just under 400 000 of the sv:wps million and continues... The guy who runs he bot is a member of the Swedish chapters board http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Kandidater_2013/Sverker_Johansson and is in his civil life a University teacher. In this capacity he is also a guest lecturer at the university of the Phillipines where he stayed the last couple of months (and the bot was on hold). He is there active in Cebuano-Wikipedia http://ceb.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unang_Panid and supporting their local community, and he is now running his bot on their wikipedia as well as on the Warai-Warai Wikipedia http://war.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syahan_nga_Pakli. So perhaps at the end of the year these two language versions will also pass the 1 million mark! Anders PS out other major botgenerating effort of all lakes in Sweden is also making very nice progress, done 25% of all DS ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Patricio Lorente Blog: http://www.patriciolorente.com.ar Identi.ca // Twitter: @patriciolorente ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)
Well, precisely to the bots. But we can congratulate the Swedish Wikipedians on more than 500k manually created articles: http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/BotActivityMatrixCreates.htm Best regards Martin 2013/6/16 Patricio Lorente patricio.lore...@gmail.com Congratulations to the swedish wikipedians! 2013/6/16 Anders Wennersten m...@anderswennersten.se: Yesterday sv:wp reached 1 M articles. The one who did the passing was a bot generated article of a butterfly http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erysichton_elaborata. The bot behind this article is Lsjbot who creates articles from the database Catalogue of Life http://www.catalogueoflife.org/services/res/2011AC_26July.zip which (complemented by other databases) which holds data of around 1.5 million species. The bot genrates about 5000 new articles per day and has generated just under 400 000 of the sv:wps million and continues... The guy who runs he bot is a member of the Swedish chapters board http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Kandidater_2013/Sverker_Johansson and is in his civil life a University teacher. In this capacity he is also a guest lecturer at the university of the Phillipines where he stayed the last couple of months (and the bot was on hold). He is there active in Cebuano-Wikipedia http://ceb.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unang_Panid and supporting their local community, and he is now running his bot on their wikipedia as well as on the Warai-Warai Wikipedia http://war.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syahan_nga_Pakli. So perhaps at the end of the year these two language versions will also pass the 1 million mark! Anders PS out other major botgenerating effort of all lakes in Sweden is also making very nice progress, done 25% of all DS ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Patricio Lorente Blog: http://www.patriciolorente.com.ar Identi.ca // Twitter: @patriciolorente ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Wikimedia Deutschland e. V. Obentrautstr. 72 10963 Berlin Telefon 030 - 219 158 26-0 www.wikimedia.de Stellen Sie sich eine Welt vor, in der jeder Mensch an der Menge allen Wissens frei teilhaben kann. Helfen Sie uns dabei! http://spenden.wikimedia.de/ Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)
grattis mina kompisar! *Jag känner en bott, hon heter Lsjbot, Lsjbot heter hon...* It looks like Polish will be the next to hit the symbolic number: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias#100_000.2B_articles wittylama.com Peace, love metadata On 16 June 2013 22:39, Tonmoy Khan tonmoy...@gmail.com wrote: Congratulations!!! Tonmoy On Jun 16, 2013 6:30 PM, Patricio Lorente patricio.lore...@gmail.com wrote: Congratulations to the swedish wikipedians! 2013/6/16 Anders Wennersten m...@anderswennersten.se: Yesterday sv:wp reached 1 M articles. The one who did the passing was a bot generated article of a butterfly http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erysichton_elaborata. The bot behind this article is Lsjbot who creates articles from the database Catalogue of Life http://www.catalogueoflife.org/services/res/2011AC_26July.zip which (complemented by other databases) which holds data of around 1.5 million species. The bot genrates about 5000 new articles per day and has generated just under 400 000 of the sv:wps million and continues... The guy who runs he bot is a member of the Swedish chapters board http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Kandidater_2013/Sverker_Johansson and is in his civil life a University teacher. In this capacity he is also a guest lecturer at the university of the Phillipines where he stayed the last couple of months (and the bot was on hold). He is there active in Cebuano-Wikipedia http://ceb.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unang_Panid and supporting their local community, and he is now running his bot on their wikipedia as well as on the Warai-Warai Wikipedia http://war.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syahan_nga_Pakli. So perhaps at the end of the year these two language versions will also pass the 1 million mark! Anders PS out other major botgenerating effort of all lakes in Sweden is also making very nice progress, done 25% of all DS ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Patricio Lorente Blog: http://www.patriciolorente.com.ar Identi.ca // Twitter: @patriciolorente ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)
Congratulations swedish wikipedians *Nurunnaby Chowdhury Hasive* Bangladesh Ambassador | Open Knowledge Network Foundation (OKFN)http://www.okfn.org Auto-confirmed, Reviewer Roll backer Editor | Bangla Wikipediahttp://bn.wikipedia.org/wiki/user:nhasive Treasurer Coordinator (PR) | Bangladesh Open Source Network (BdOSN)http://www.bdosn.org Coordinator (PR) | Society for the Popularization of Science, Bangladesh (SPSB) http://www.spsb.org* *Central Team MOVers | Bangladesh Mathematical Olympiad Committee (BdMO)http://www.matholympiad.org.bd Facebook: fb.com/nhasive | Twitter: @nhasivehttp://www.twitter.com/nhasive| Skype: nhasive | www.nhasive.com On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote: grattis mina kompisar! *Jag känner en bott, hon heter Lsjbot, Lsjbot heter hon...* It looks like Polish will be the next to hit the symbolic number: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias#100_000.2B_articles wittylama.com Peace, love metadata On 16 June 2013 22:39, Tonmoy Khan tonmoy...@gmail.com wrote: Congratulations!!! Tonmoy On Jun 16, 2013 6:30 PM, Patricio Lorente patricio.lore...@gmail.com wrote: Congratulations to the swedish wikipedians! 2013/6/16 Anders Wennersten m...@anderswennersten.se: Yesterday sv:wp reached 1 M articles. The one who did the passing was a bot generated article of a butterfly http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erysichton_elaborata. The bot behind this article is Lsjbot who creates articles from the database Catalogue of Life http://www.catalogueoflife.org/services/res/2011AC_26July.zip which (complemented by other databases) which holds data of around 1.5 million species. The bot genrates about 5000 new articles per day and has generated just under 400 000 of the sv:wps million and continues... The guy who runs he bot is a member of the Swedish chapters board http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Kandidater_2013/Sverker_Johansson and is in his civil life a University teacher. In this capacity he is also a guest lecturer at the university of the Phillipines where he stayed the last couple of months (and the bot was on hold). He is there active in Cebuano-Wikipedia http://ceb.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unang_Panid and supporting their local community, and he is now running his bot on their wikipedia as well as on the Warai-Warai Wikipedia http://war.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syahan_nga_Pakli. So perhaps at the end of the year these two language versions will also pass the 1 million mark! Anders PS out other major botgenerating effort of all lakes in Sweden is also making very nice progress, done 25% of all DS ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Patricio Lorente Blog: http://www.patriciolorente.com.ar Identi.ca // Twitter: @patriciolorente ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)
I think that Anders is saying that the result of Wikimedia Swedish is due to a work of bots and to a work of people. It means that this result is contrary to the WMF strategy which would have more people and more contributors. The next millions of articles will be reached by Polish Wikipedia but also by cebuan Wikipedia and by Warai-Warai Wikipedia. May be it's the time to have only bots to write in Wikipedia? I hope that in future the number of articles will be counted considering at least a small content ad not only a template in a page, because the use like this will discourage the communities of editors. Regards On 16.06.2013 13:30, Anders Wennersten wrote: Yesterday sv:wp reached 1 M articles. The one who did the passing was a bot generated article of a butterfly http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erysichton_elaborata. The bot behind this article is Lsjbot who creates articles from the database Catalogue of Life http://www.catalogueoflife.org/services/res/2011AC_26July.zip which (complemented by other databases) which holds data of around 1.5 million species. The bot genrates about 5000 new articles per day and has generated just under 400 000 of the sv:wps million and continues... The guy who runs he bot is a member of the Swedish chapters board http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Kandidater_2013/Sverker_Johansson and is in his civil life a University teacher. In this capacity he is also a guest lecturer at the university of the Phillipines where he stayed the last couple of months (and the bot was on hold). He is there active in Cebuano-Wikipedia http://ceb.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unang_Panid and supporting their local community, and he is now running his bot on their wikipedia as well as on the Warai-Warai Wikipedia http://war.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syahan_nga_Pakli. So perhaps at the end of the year these two language versions will also pass the 1 million mark! Anders PS out other major botgenerating effort of all lakes in Sweden is also making very nice progress, done 25% of all DS ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Ilario Valdelli Wikimedia CH Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera Switzerland - 8008 Zürich Tel: +41764821371 http://www.wikimedia.ch ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)
Impressive numbers. Congrats. Can we have those species stubs and lakes in English Wikipedia? 2013/6/16 Anders Wennersten m...@anderswennersten.se Yesterday sv:wp reached 1 M articles. The one who did the passing was a bot generated article of a butterfly http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/** Erysichton_elaborata http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erysichton_elaborata. The bot behind this article is Lsjbot who creates articles from the database Catalogue of Life http://www.catalogueoflife.** org/services/res/2011AC_**26July.ziphttp://www.catalogueoflife.org/services/res/2011AC_26July.zipwhich (complemented by other databases) which holds data of around 1.5 million species. The bot genrates about 5000 new articles per day and has generated just under 400 000 of the sv:wps million and continues... The guy who runs he bot is a member of the Swedish chapters board http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/**Kandidater_2013/Sverker_**Johanssonhttp://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Kandidater_2013/Sverker_Johanssonand is in his civil life a University teacher. In this capacity he is also a guest lecturer at the university of the Phillipines where he stayed the last couple of months (and the bot was on hold). He is there active in Cebuano-Wikipedia http://ceb.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Unang_Panidhttp://ceb.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unang_Panidand supporting their local community, and he is now running his bot on their wikipedia as well as on the Warai-Warai Wikipedia http://war.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Syahan_nga_Paklihttp://war.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syahan_nga_Pakli. So perhaps at the end of the year these two language versions will also pass the 1 million mark! Anders PS out other major botgenerating effort of all lakes in Sweden is also making very nice progress, done 25% of all DS __**_ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.**org Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-lhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)
2013/6/16 Ilario Valdelli valde...@gmail.com I think that Anders is saying that the result of Wikimedia Swedish is due to a work of bots and to a work of people. It means that this result is contrary to the WMF strategy which would have more people and more contributors. The next millions of articles will be reached by Polish Wikipedia but also by cebuan Wikipedia and by Warai-Warai Wikipedia. May be it's the time to have only bots to write in Wikipedia? I hope that in future the number of articles will be counted considering at least a small content ad not only a template in a page, because the use like this will discourage the communities of editors. I would say our experience is that it doesn't affect the number of human editors at all in any way. A couple of people run bots that create very short articles about taxons or other stuff that, to be honest, probably wouldn't have been created otherwise. These articles have very few readers. Why on Earth would this discourage us? Our main problem is that browsing Swedish Wikipedia using the random article button isn't as fun as it used to be. That's probably fixable. //Johan Jönsson -- ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)
I meant we should give credit to the extremely clever PEOPLE behind the bots. And stop handling proper bot generated article as second class. Their data is actually better verified then most of the others And what we find is that the bots cannot build knowledge (which is our aim) without the existence of very sound ground articles. What is the value of a botgenereted lake article if the adm area it lies in is missing? And in Swedish Wikipedia the botgenerated articles has meant a boom to the community morale. To work with an article of a place or adm area feels much better when it is used by and using the botgerneted lake article Is it a coincidence that we now see the growth of these competent botgenerated article in nl:wp, sv.wp and it:wp? Not the top five but very alert and half big communities. (next one seems to be Catalan and norweigian) There exist a world outside the big ones, where we are eager to learn from each other and make good progress in our common goal, free knowledge to all! Anders Ilario Valdelli skrev 2013-06-16 15:12: I think that Anders is saying that the result of Wikimedia Swedish is due to a work of bots and to a work of people. It means that this result is contrary to the WMF strategy which would have more people and more contributors. The next millions of articles will be reached by Polish Wikipedia but also by cebuan Wikipedia and by Warai-Warai Wikipedia. May be it's the time to have only bots to write in Wikipedia? I hope that in future the number of articles will be counted considering at least a small content ad not only a template in a page, because the use like this will discourage the communities of editors. Regards On 16.06.2013 13:30, Anders Wennersten wrote: Yesterday sv:wp reached 1 M articles. The one who did the passing was a bot generated article of a butterfly http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erysichton_elaborata. The bot behind this article is Lsjbot who creates articles from the database Catalogue of Life http://www.catalogueoflife.org/services/res/2011AC_26July.zip which (complemented by other databases) which holds data of around 1.5 million species. The bot genrates about 5000 new articles per day and has generated just under 400 000 of the sv:wps million and continues... The guy who runs he bot is a member of the Swedish chapters board http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Kandidater_2013/Sverker_Johansson and is in his civil life a University teacher. In this capacity he is also a guest lecturer at the university of the Phillipines where he stayed the last couple of months (and the bot was on hold). He is there active in Cebuano-Wikipedia http://ceb.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unang_Panid and supporting their local community, and he is now running his bot on their wikipedia as well as on the Warai-Warai Wikipedia http://war.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syahan_nga_Pakli. So perhaps at the end of the year these two language versions will also pass the 1 million mark! Anders PS out other major botgenerating effort of all lakes in Sweden is also making very nice progress, done 25% of all DS ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)
Article count milestones are nice!
However, I remind those who were distracted in 2008 that article count
is a largely irrelevant piece of our statistics since 2008; both
stats.wikimedia.org and www.wikipedia.org (plus the other project
portals) don't use it at all to rank projects, etc.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Top_Ten_Wikipedias
Anders Wennersten, 16/06/2013 15:32:
Is it a coincidence that we now see the growth of these competent
botgenerated article in nl:wp, sv.wp and it:wp?
{{citation needed}}
To me it seems the other wikis are rather stable. There is no wiki in
top ten with 50 % bot created articles and after sv.wiki (13th) you have
to reach positions 20th (vi) and 24th (vi) to find similar amounts.
Nemo
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)
Milestones are nice. They're one big reason for celebrating,
once in a while. There are lots of others, but not all are this
definable and publicly palatable. Quality projects of various
kinds are ongoing all the time, and we need different kinds of
carrots to keep up the community interest at svwp. We need to
communicate our efforts in different dimensions, and this was
also the idea in our press release statement some hours ago.
Quantity and quality are no born enemies to each other, IMHO.
Personally I enjoy making small articles (in various subjects)
larger and better. I think this is a common motivator to many of
us, where the article creation can be a hassle with all the
multidimensional stuff involved. Lsjbot makes my enlarging a bit
easier. And the fact that Lsjbot now creates a fully sourced and
categorised Swedish-language wikispecies inside of Wikipedia
is a bonus.
Best of wishes,
/Per A.J. Andersson
(user: Paracel63)
2013-06-16, 16:03, skrev Federico Leva (Nemo):
Article count milestones are nice!
However, I remind those who were distracted in 2008 that
article count is a largely irrelevant piece of our statistics
since 2008; both stats.wikimedia.org and www.wikipedia.org
(plus the other project portals) don't use it at all to rank
projects, etc.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Top_Ten_Wikipedias
Anders Wennersten, 16/06/2013 15:32:
Is it a coincidence that we now see the growth of these competent
botgenerated article in nl:wp, sv.wp and it:wp?
{{citation needed}}
To me it seems the other wikis are rather stable. There is no
wiki in top ten with 50 % bot created articles and after
sv.wiki (13th) you have to reach positions 20th (vi) and 24th
(vi) to find similar amounts.
Nemo
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