i think many people might not understand what is the real problem here with
this aspect in the general framework. I might make a brutal simplification, of
course.
In any case, if you manage to make the moment when a logged-in user is
connected to a platform for the first time a secret, that basi
Fine! If people refuse the easy way out, then create an Rfc, and start the
process to make creation of new user accounts non-public information.
Den fre. 26. jan. 2018, 03.04 skrev Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l <
wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>:
> you are not "exposing the user unknowingl
you are not "exposing the user unknowingly visiting the site" with the bot
itself...when you visit the site you are integrated in the SUL, it's public
information since ages. The fact that a bot takes care of it or a human being
leaves a message does not tell you a lot more. Sometimes on certain
I can't see that T42006 is relevant in this case. It is about abusive use
of a bot, not about creation of the central account in itself.
The existence of a central account leads to creation of the local account.
This is probably acceptable. Then this may lead to the abusiv behavior, ie
exposing th
The information is so noisy (transclusions may trigger autocreation) and
irrelevant (no information about pages, just wikis) I don't see an issue
worth resolving.
Vito
2018-01-25 22:54 GMT+01:00 Pine W :
> Joe,
>
> I believe that the issue of a potential privacy violation was first raised
> on t
Joe,
I believe that the issue of a potential privacy violation was first raised
on this list on December 30th, and I first emailed WMF Legal about this
issue on January 1st. Keeping in mind that the issue involves potential
privacy violations, I think that it's reasonable to think that this issue
If it has been discussed before, then it would be nice if someone can
provide a pointer to that discussion.
Den ons. 24. jan. 2018, 11.29 skrev Joseph Seddon :
> This conversation started in the middle of the Christmas break following
> which I suspect many staff took extended holidays, most depa
This conversation started in the middle of the Christmas break following
which I suspect many staff took extended holidays, most departments are in
the middle annual planning and this week WMF are gathering for their annual
all hands meetings. So lets firtst consider the fact that senior legal
staf
There are a lot of SUL issues that are waiting to be addressed. One for example
is the definition of what is not "appropriate" as a name. Another one is a
centralized interface for preferences, a third one is a centralized management
of key user information, a forth one is the possibility to dis
FYI for those on WIkimedia-l who may be interested, conversation about this
matter is ongoing. I am waiting a response from WMF Legal, and there may be
others who have opened their own lines of inquiry.
If I don't receive a reply from WMF Legal that I feel is satisfactory, or
if I don't receive on
Possibly because they have been busy with other things?
Cheers,
Peter
-Original Message-
From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of
Renée Bagslint
Sent: 01 January 2018 00:10
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Welcome messages at
I'm scared of the solutions that will "fix" this.
I expect something as dramatically useful as the removal of "unblock this
IP" button for IPs caught by autoblocks of registered users.
Vito
2018-01-01 22:46 GMT+01:00 Pine W :
> I have created https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T183876 and am ping
I'm surprised that this whole thing is even an issue at this late date.
Considering the importance to the projects of recruiting and retaining
contrbutors, how is it possible to be in a position where the various
projects do not have a comprehensive understanding of, and well-researched
evidence-ba
I have created https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T183876 and am pinging
Legal to request a review of this matter.
Happy new year,
Pine
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It may or may not be a coincidence, but today I heard a similar complaint
from somebody who occasionally edits in Hebrew, and was freaked out by a
welcome message that was sent after he simply read a page in the French
Wikipedia.
As Jonathan says, even if it is a privacy issue, it's not really a n
What Quiddity said.
If we're talking about impact on (good faith) new editors, yes, it's
complicated but the bulk of the evidence points to certain kinds of
welcomes[1][2] being effective at driving retention (every little bit
helps), and others having no effect at all, and maybe a few approaches
On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 8:08 AM, John Erling Blad wrote:
> As I recall, communication with newcomers by templates was found to be a
> negative factor.
>
The results from past research are Not easy to summarize, and
definitely not that simple, because of all the varying factors in both
the templat
There are many million users registered in central auth. Most have not
edited anywhere, and never even visited ar.wikipedia.org. welcoming these
is actually harmful in a demonstrable way: readers will be notified of this
useless welcome by email, or the notification tool. If this were
multiplied
Norwegians in general does not use welcoming phrases unless you are family,
close friend, or want something from a person. Or as friend said it; you
welcome your sister and mother to the family party, the guy that shall buy
your old rusty car, and your girlfriend when she comes over and you want to
dingly.
>
> Regards
>
> Jonathan
>
>
> > On 30 Dec 2017, at 13:38, wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org wrote:
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2017 10:29:34 +0200
> > From: "Amir E. Aharoni"
> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> > Subjec
Regards
Jonathan
> On 30 Dec 2017, at 13:38, wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org wrote:
> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2017 10:29:34 +0200
> From: "Amir E. Aharoni"
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Welcome messages at arwiki
> Mess
Oh, I absolutely agree that there is an important cultural aspect here.
That's why towards the end of the email I acknowledged that this has been
done for many years.
Nevertheless, it's worth occasionally stopping and thinking about the
usefulness. These messages are supposed to be sent to new use
people are more
paranoid than me, sometimes for good reasons. Cheers,
Peter
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Ting Chen
Sent: 30 December 2017 11:38
To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Welcome messa
heers,
Peter
-Original Message-
From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of
Ting Chen
Sent: 30 December 2017 11:38
To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Welcome messages at arwiki
Hello Amir,
I think what you are questioning is
Hello Amir,
I think what you are questioning is right. And it is necessary to ask
such questions. In my day job it is my duty to ask and discuss such
questions with my customers.
But, with the time I sort of see that these pure utilitarian questions
are not the only questions that we need
It's a good opportunity to step back and discuss a little something.
The existence of pretty much every bot is a reason to think of a missing
feature in the site's software. The same goes for templates and gadgets.
Why do many wikis have custom welcome templates and bots that send them?
The intui
I cannot see malicious intention behind the use of the bot. If you don't
feel spoken to, just ignore it. Why is this a so huge problem?
Greetings
Ting
Am 29.12.2017 um 10:20 schrieb John Erling Blad:
Users on other projects are complaining about the welcome messages at
arwiki. A bot at that
Looping in the Arabic Wikipedia mailing list.
FYI
Samir Elsharbaty
Communications|Wikimedia Foundation
On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:02 AM, John Erling Blad wrote:
> I've usually just don't bother with them, but lately I got complaints about
> this specific bot, and the bot operator neglect doing
I've usually just don't bother with them, but lately I got complaints about
this specific bot, and the bot operator neglect doing anything with the
problem. That is why I raise the issue, as there are no other forum where
users from one project can make a complaint about misbehaving users on
anothe
Link on my email.
On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 10:25 AM, K. Peachey wrote:
> Have you asked the user how the finding the users?
> Have you considered other steps than just jumping to mailing list?
> Where are the complaints from the other users to show this is a long
> running issue?
>
> On 29 Decemb
I am not sure this is something we should be discussing on this mailing
list. Please, contact the bot operator or raise it with the arwiki
community.
Regards,
Isaac.
On Dec 29, 2017 10:26 AM, "K. Peachey" wrote:
> Have you asked the user how the finding the users?
> Have you considered other s
I can estimate the number of welcomes I received to roughly 300, most of
these languages I cannot even copypaste from.
While these messages are useless for sure I don't see any reason to be
bothered of them.
Vito
2017-12-29 10:25 GMT+01:00 K. Peachey :
> Have you asked the user how the finding t
Some reactions to welcome bot or welcomes are a little bit "exaggerated"
sometimes. it's just a small red color spot in a corner. Two seconds to process
it, more time to complain about it.
I study user activities and sometimes I leave welcome messages here and there.
99.5% of the time is because
Have you asked the user how the finding the users?
Have you considered other steps than just jumping to mailing list?
Where are the complaints from the other users to show this is a long
running issue?
On 29 December 2017 at 19:20, John Erling Blad wrote:
> Users on other projects are complaining
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