>... board meetings are confidential so board members under duress can
> always claim they tried to do whatever they were told to but got voted
down?
Board votes are published.
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On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 10:02 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote:
> So I would like to hear from Susanna how easy it would be for her to
> disobey direct instructions from her superiors related to her Wikimedia
> volunteer work, because *they* are clearly taking a keen interest in the
>
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> From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
> Behalf Of Andreas Kolbe
> Sent: Thursday, 03 March 2016 2:37 AM
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Armenia candidate for the board
>
> Asaf,
>
> I hear you. My apo
But is it avoidable?
Peter
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Andreas Kolbe
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Asaf,
I hear
Andreas,
While I understand your interest in asking these questions, I feel that
Meta would be the best venue for this discussion, preferably on a page that
is designed for Q with the Board candidates. This way, the vast majority
of the questions for Board candidates can be located in the same
Fae,
Thanks. I've also had a conversation off-list about this with another
Wikimedian whom I greatly respect, and they have shared similar impressions
of Susanna with me. I truly appreciate the input.
For the record, I do sincerely regret writing "But she is clearly part of
a
On 2 March 2016 at 23:15, Andreas Kolbe wrote:
...
> I don't know Susanna, and in fact until yesterday had never heard of her.
> She may well be a delightful and charming person with a genuine enthusiasm
> for open knowledge. There are after all many encyclopedic topics that
Speaking in general terms, I like the idea of requiring early and public
disclosures of conflicts of interests that seem reasonably likely.
Also speaking in general terms, I'm aware of a number of Wikimedians in the
United States and Canada who are directly employed by government
organizations,
Cristian, when I said I heartily endorse what Asaf said, I meant exactly
that. I agree with him, and with you, that accusatory email threads without
evidence are toxic, and should be avoided.
But questions about Conflict of Interest are appropriate. In a Board
selection process, we do not merely
2016-03-03 2:06 GMT+01:00 Pete Forsyth :
> I heartily endorse what Asaf has said here, but I'd add one thing:
>
> When someone runs for the board, that introduces a standard that goes
> beyond Assume Good Faith.
Yes, but please also note the difference between "assume good
I heartily endorse what Asaf has said here, but I'd add one thing:
When someone runs for the board, that introduces a standard that goes
beyond Assume Good Faith. Ultimately, if appointed, a Trustee will need to
disclose any Conflicts of Interest. But those disclosures, as I understand
it, are
On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote:
> Asaf,
>
> I hear you. My apologies to Susanna and the list for anything I have said
> that cast aspersions on Susanna's character.
>
Thank you.
> Nevertheless, I remain concerned. She is part of a state committee under
Asaf,
I hear you. My apologies to Susanna and the list for anything I have said
that cast aspersions on Susanna's character.
Nevertheless, I remain concerned. She is part of a state committee under
the authority of the Armenian Minister of Education and Science, who along
with other senior
so much for "Assume good faith"
On 3 March 2016 at 08:31, Cristian Consonni wrote:
> 2016-03-03 1:20 GMT+01:00 Andreas Kolbe :
> > I think that top-level government interference in Wikipedia harms people
> in
> > the movement and its mission,
2016-03-03 1:20 GMT+01:00 Andreas Kolbe :
> I think that top-level government interference in Wikipedia harms people in
> the movement and its mission, especially if the government in question has
> a less than stellar press freedom record.
Yes, of course, but until you have
I would like to add that I have been following Susanna's work in Armenia
since 2011, and have had occasion to evaluate it as a grants officer.
During these five years, Susanna has been an exemplary Wikimedian, building
community around her, empowering other volunteers to do their best work,
and
Cristian,
I think that top-level government interference in Wikipedia harms people in
the movement and its mission, especially if the government in question has
a less than stellar press freedom record.
Andreas
On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 12:10 AM, Cristian Consonni
wrote:
2016-03-03 0:15 GMT+01:00 Andreas Kolbe :
> I don't know Susanna, and in fact until yesterday had never heard of her.
> She may well be a delightful and charming person with a genuine enthusiasm
> for open knowledge. There are after all many encyclopedic topics that have
> no
Andreas,
Unless you have specific evidence that Susanna has been specifically
involved with anything untoward, you are smearing with guilt by association
and creating your own chilling effect, and you would owe Susanna a
retraction and apology.
Cheers,
Craig Franklin
On 3 March 2016 at 09:15,
Is there any actual connection between Susanna and the high-level
government interest or effort around the Armenian Wikipedia? What I'm
asking is if there is anything here, other than supposition that because
she is Armenian and the Armenian government is interested in Wikipedia that
Susanna must
Wow, Andreas. That's taking several major leaps of logic. Sometimes a
cigar is just a cigar. Any reason why you brought these rather
extraordinary assumptions to this mailing list before Susanna had even had
a chance to respond to your question at her nomination page?
Risker/Anne
On 2 March
On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 8:11 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter
wrote:
> Susanna is (or was) a researcher, and every researcher in Armenia is a
> state employee. There are just no non-governmental organizations who employ
> researchers.
>
> I do think there is a problem with a potential
On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 3:35 PM, geni wrote:
> On 2 March 2016 at 19:58, Andreas Kolbe wrote:
> > Western countries don't really have a tradition of state-published
> > encyclopedias,
>
> Wales is not a western country?
>
> https://en.wikipedia
>
so now we are judging a candidate because his/her country or government ?
Susana and her team are doing really really great job, I wonder how unfair
a person could judge a respected wikimedian.
Mardetanha
On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 11:59 PM, Ziko van Dijk wrote:
> Hello,
>
>
On 2 March 2016 at 19:58, Andreas Kolbe wrote:
> Western countries don't really have a tradition of state-published
> encyclopedias,
Wales is not a western country?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encyclopaedia_of_Wales
> If we had the US Secretary of Defense
> writing
Hello,
I cannot say much about the specific case, but in general: in small
countries it is not unusual that there is only one national
encyclopedia, and that it is directly or indirectly published or
supported by the government or an institution close to the government.
A good example is the
On 2016-03-02 20:58, Andreas Kolbe wrote:
Now, why are we bestowing Wikipedian of the Year honours on government
employees of repressive regimes? If we had the US Secretary of Defense
writing Wikipedia articles about the US Army, or had employees of the
German government running Wikimedia
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