Thanks Anthony; it's really appreciated. I want to make clear that I'm
not saying "don't disagree!" - of course people can disagree. Hell,
we're Wikipedians. Even if nobody was disagreeing we'd disagree with
ourselves ;).
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 2:54 AM, Anthony Cole wrote:
> I'm listening to thi
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 3:54 AM, Theo10011 wrote:
> I am totally with Benjamin on this.
>
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2016, Oliver Keyes wrote:
>
>> "sorely under-represented perspective" or not, that kind of attitude
>> is of course going to piss people off. And it may be that denying the
>> value of peop
AFAIR Billinghurst's(*) email address is different.
Vito
(*)Billinghurst is one of the best, wisest and most committed Wikimedians I
got in touch with.
2016-02-23 6:13 GMT+01:00 Anthony Cole :
> I've just received this from someone called billinghurst:
>
> "Please stop this rebuttal of people's
Theo wrote: "PS Anthony, you shouldn't have sent a private email to the
list."
Yep. It won't happen again. It was an over-reaction to exactly what you're
calling out in your post: people having the temerity to tell others to shut
up, based mainly on their discomfort with the view being put. I desp
I am totally with Benjamin on this.
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016, Oliver Keyes wrote:
> "sorely under-represented perspective" or not, that kind of attitude
> is of course going to piss people off. And it may be that denying the
> value of peoples' experiences or dismissing their misery is not, in
> fac
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 9:37 AM, Andrea Zanni wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 6:31 AM, Gerard Meijssen
> wrote:
>
>> You are not the only one who is told that dissent is not appreciated. It is
>> ironic that when openness and shared values are considered, these same
>> values are swept under the
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 6:31 AM, Gerard Meijssen
wrote:
> You are not the only one who is told that dissent is not appreciated. It is
> ironic that when openness and shared values are considered, these same
> values are swept under the rug when people are not in line with "common"
> thought.
>
>
I'm listening to this, and thank you all. I'll try to be less ... whatever
that is I'm being. I do know what you mean, and I'll tone it down. Oliver,
I had/have no intention of minimising the hurt felt by those involved. I
apologise if I gave that impression. But some of those hurt people have
been
Someone complained to you off-list about the amount you're posting to
the list. You immediately forwarded his email to the list. Is this
the best approach?
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 12:13 AM, Anthony Cole wrote:
> I thought I was bringing a sorely under-represented perspective to the ED
> discuss
May I add that it is usually considered somewhat distasteful to direct
private emails to a public list, without the explicit permission of the
original author?
Oliver's point is also salient; while obviously we need to be clear about
what we say, organisational matters don't take place in a vacuum
If I might provide at least my, minor, perspective: there is a big
difference between "perspective" and "dissent" and some of your
communiques.
People, particularly at the Foundation, are hurting a lot right now.
And the tone of your messages has been a lot of: justifying actual
people being in ac
Hoi,
You are not the only one who is told that dissent is not appreciated. It is
ironic that when openness and shared values are considered, these same
values are swept under the rug when people are not in line with "common"
thought.
Apparently thoughts are not so common and certainly not universa
Anthony, two points:
1. Billinghurst is a very long-serving community member, and has always in
my experience been happy to talk things through. I'd urge you just to talk
with him directly.
2. Tension is high right now. If we're irritating each other more than
usual, keep that in mind...it may be
I've just received this from someone called billinghurst:
"Please stop this rebuttal of people's statements. Their opinions are as
valuable, if not more valuable than yours as statements. Your name is
appearing too often IMNSHO."
I thought I was bringing a sorely under-represented perspective to
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