Hi all,
this is just a reminder that the next VE office hour is on Thursday 14
August at 900 UTC,
in case you want to add it to your calendar.
Hope to see you there,
Elitre (WMF)
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On 12 August 2014 02:39, svetlana wrote:
>
> There needs to be a central place, like the Wikimedia blog, but dedicated
> to tech things - actively announcing everything WM ENGINEERING are doing,
> both in products and in core.
There is. It's called the monthly report. See here for July's for
exa
Erik,
I'll be writing a longer post on the Meta RFC later, but can you confirm
whether the idea is to "superprotect" key interface pages like
[[Mediawiki:common.js]] on a permanent basis, or will this feature only be
used to lock pages temporarily in the case of wheel warring or other
circumstance
Straniu, Jimbo's comments in his keynote about forking concerned
encouraging competent editors who can't work cooperatively with other
people to fork in a way that would be better for everyone in the long run.
I don't believe this disappointing confrontation between the WMF and
volunteers were wha
Hi,
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 8:44 AM, Dan Garry wrote:
> On 12 August 2014 02:39, svetlana wrote:
>>
>> There needs to be a central place, like the Wikimedia blog, but dedicated
>> to tech things - actively announcing everything WM ENGINEERING are doing,
>> both in products and in core.
>
>
> The
Hi,
Has Odder / Tomasz Kozłowski been put on moderation?
I'm informed his emails sent to this list havent come through to the
list for nearly 24 hrs, and he has not been notified of having been
put on any moderation, and the moderators havent responded to queries
sent directly, and havent actione
On 12/08/14 11:23, John Mark Vandenberg wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Has Odder / Tomasz Kozłowski been put on moderation?
>
> I'm informed his emails sent to this list havent come through to the
> list for nearly 24 hrs, and he has not been notified of having been
> put on any moderation, and the moderators
Thx Tim.
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 8:40 PM, Tim Starling wrote:
> On 12/08/14 11:23, John Mark Vandenberg wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Has Odder / Tomasz Kozłowski been put on moderation?
>>
>> I'm informed his emails sent to this list havent come through to the
>> list for nearly 24 hrs, and he has not bee
Yes, I temporarily placed Tomasz on moderation after his personal
attacks on the list. I apologize for apparently not making this clear
enough with my on-list warning.
I spent most of yesterday afternoon traveling home from Wikimania, and
have not seen any messages from him since. As the admin que
On 12/08/2014, John Mark Vandenberg wrote:
...
> I'm informed his emails sent to this list havent come through to the
> list for nearly 24 hrs, and he has not been notified of having been
> put on any moderation, and the moderators havent responded to queries
> sent directly, and havent actioned t
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Fæ wrote:
> Current working practices on lists include never being informed that
> it happened and never getting a reply to a polite request of why the
> moderation is in place, along with there being no possibility of
> appeal or timely review. More complex issue
> Does either of you or anyone else see a valid reason to deny this
> seemingly reasonable and considered request? It's quite obvious that hacks
> to achieve the same ends are far from ideal. Why not simply disable
> MediaViewer by default on the German Wikipedia, as requested?
>
In my view, the t
Hi Austin,
My wording was carefully chosen, but probably not obvious enough. I
used "working practices on lists", I was not actually referring to
*this* list where working practices are now, in my opinion, better
than many others.
In fact, it would be great if you could spend time on the meta pag
I'm an administrator for a few lists and personally I feel you are being
far far too generic in saying lists are not managed correctly. A process is
not broken here just a users understanding. Document don't argue regarding
processes.
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On 12.08.2014 02:26, svetlana wrote:
If we accept the policy in principle, I don't care who enforces such
policy, that be community or WMF. Such policy does not go against
community entirely, unless WMF shows a will to reject community
patches related to issues which community finds important. W
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On 12/08/14 20:23, John Mark Vandenberg wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Has Odder / Tomasz Kozłowski been put on moderation?
Yes.
>
> I'm informed his emails sent to this list havent come through to
> the list for nearly 24 hrs, and he has not been notified of h
As one has been there, done that, I would like to point out that there is an
order of magnitude difference between Internet Brands and WMF.
Cheers,
Peter
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[mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Yarosl
Also, 118 people (190 vs. 72 votes in the "poll" [1] on German Wikipedia)
are not "the community". They are a small part of the community.
The people who would profit [2] from the Media Viewer as a default feature
were not consulted.
Cheers,
Magnus
[1] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Me
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 10:19 AM, Craig Franklin
wrote:
> I'll be writing a longer post on the Meta RFC later, but can you confirm
> whether the idea is to "superprotect" key interface pages like
> [[Mediawiki:common.js]] on a permanent basis, or will this feature only be
> used to lock pages tem
Thank you so much to the London Wikimania organizers for putting a
wonderful Wikimania 2014. I want to recognize everyone who helped out: the
core team who proposed the bid and worked for over a year organizing a
vision and a team to carry it out; the staff at Wikimedia UK and WMF who
worked on org
Has it ever come to the mind that something is going wrong on how the
community is approached?
Has it ever come to the mind that some software implementations have gone
to hastily with negative effects?
That the community reacts the way it does now, is because they care very
much about the site a
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 8:44 AM, Dan Garry wrote:
> On 12 August 2014 02:39, svetlana wrote:
> >
> > There needs to be a central place, like the Wikimedia blog, but dedicated
> > to tech things - actively announcing everything WM ENGINEERING are doing,
> > both in products and in core.
>
>
> The
magnus, a vote always has 3 options.
* i am for it
* i am against it
* i can live with the outcome of the vote
so i did not vote. because i can live with both. but i do respect the vote.
i do respect admin decisions, i even voted for some admins.
at the end it is very simple. the one who produces
On 12/08/2014 15:19, rupert THURNER wrote:
magnus, a vote always has 3 options.
* i am for it
* i am against it
* i can live with the outcome of the vote
No, there are other options.
* I didn't know the poll was happening
* I just want to get on with editing / reading Wikipedia (or sister
proj
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 3:19 PM, rupert THURNER
wrote:
> magnus, a vote always has 3 options.
> * i am for it
> * i am against it
> * i can live with the outcome of the vote
>
You mean "do not particularly care about it", surely? That you can live
with the outcome of a vote, whatever outcome th
2014-08-12 16:57 GMT+02:00 Magnus Manske :
> On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 3:19 PM, rupert THURNER
> wrote:
>
> > so i did not vote. because i can live with both. but i do respect the
> vote.
> > i do respect admin decisions, i even voted for some admins.
> >
> > at the end it is very simple. the one w
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Romaine Wiki
wrote:
> 2014-08-12 16:57 GMT+02:00 Magnus Manske :
>
> > On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 3:19 PM, rupert THURNER <
> rupert.thur...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > so i did not vote. because i can live with both. but i do respect the
> > vote.
> > > i do res
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 6:54 PM, John Mark Vandenberg
wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 3:49 AM, Brad Jorsch (Anomie)
> wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 2:01 PM, John Mark Vandenberg
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Before this, there was no expectation that a page could be protected
> >> such that sysops
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Magnus Manske
wrote:
> It's probably fine for "modern" viewing, although it's hard to guess that
> you get to the file page via the little Commons icon for people who (in all
> likelihood) have never seen that icon, or visited Commons.
Dear Magnus,
Thanks as alw
On 12.08.2014 16:57, Magnus Manske wrote:
> German Wikipedia had 1.1 billion page views in June [1]. ~300 votes (~2/3
> against MediaViewer) do not represent the readers, IMHO.
Claiming to speak for a perceived silent majority will not help you much
in this discussion.
There is a common pattern i
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 5:26 PM, Erik Moeller wrote:
>
>
> These changes will need to be carefully tested/validated. If you want
> to take a look at an early early (!) prototype (!!), see
> http://multimedia-alpha.wmflabs.org/wiki/Lightbox_demo , but please
> note that anything but the basic view
Whoever believes that an administration of a crowdsourcing website can do
whatever they want just because they are running the website should recollect
what recently happened to Internet Brands and Wikitravel.
Popcorn, anyone?
Wikipedia is not an organization, and the WMF does not administer th
It seems that poor (and insufficient) communication is a pretty widespread
problem at WMF.
Balazs
2014-08-12 13:25 GMT+02:00 Chris Keating :
> > Does either of you or anyone else see a valid reason to deny this
> > seemingly reasonable and considered request? It's quite obvious that
> hacks
> >
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Magnus Manske wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 5:26 PM, Erik Moeller wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > These changes will need to be carefully tested/validated. If you want
> > to take a look at an early early (!) prototype (!!), see
> > http://multimedia-alpha.wmflabs.org/w
It is very disheartening to see that active members of the community have
been Borged by the Foundation, and all tell the same story, albeit with
different levels of enthusiasm.
Quite possibly there are issues over configuration pages, but to implement
a super-protection feature *in the middle of
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Henning Schlottmann
wrote:
> On 12.08.2014 16:57, Magnus Manske wrote:
> > German Wikipedia had 1.1 billion page views in June [1]. ~300 votes (~2/3
> > against MediaViewer) do not represent the readers, IMHO.
>
> Claiming to speak for a perceived silent majority
Given this news about BGP hijacking used to mine hundreds of thousands
(if not millions) of dollars worth of bitcoins per year, as a
practical matter concerning donations, is there any way to accept
bitcoin payments without risking accepting stolen property?
http://www.slate.com/articles/technolog
No, that doesn't seem possible. But that's not really different for
any other payment method either. And even if we could get payments
without risking accepting stolen property, I don't think we should.
When choosing between unwittingly accepting tainted money and forcing
people to give up their co
You do, of course, realize that any currency anyone accepts could at some
point have been stolen?
On Aug 12, 2014 3:49 PM, "James Salsman" wrote:
> Given this news about BGP hijacking used to mine hundreds of thousands
> (if not millions) of dollars worth of bitcoins per year, as a
> practical ma
All,
I just want to call your attention to Lila's statement at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:LilaTretikov#On_a_Scale_of_Billions
.
pb
*Philippe Beaudette * \\ Director, Community Advocacy \\ Wikimedia
Foundation, Inc.
T: 1-415-839-6885 x6643 | phili...@wikimedia.org | : @Phili
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Magnus Manske wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Henning Schlottmann <
> h.schlottm...@gmx.net>
> wrote:
>
> > This is serious. WMF really needs to appreciate the expertise of the
> > author community and accept their experience a important and valid. If
>
On Tue, 12 Aug 2014, at 23:42, Romaine Wiki wrote:
> That the community reacts the way it does now, is because they care very
> much about the site and they notice something is terrible going wrong on
> WMF side and too less is done to fix those problems/issues!
if the community was not so willing
On Wed, 13 Aug 2014, at 10:46, svetlana wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Aug 2014, at 23:42, Romaine Wiki wrote:
> > That the community reacts the way it does now, is because they care very
> > much about the site and they notice something is terrible going wrong on
> > WMF side and too less is done to fix thos
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 10:48 AM, svetlana wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Aug 2014, at 10:46, svetlana wrote:
>> On Tue, 12 Aug 2014, at 23:42, Romaine Wiki wrote:
>> > That the community reacts the way it does now, is because they care very
>> > much about the site and they notice something is terrible goin
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 5:46 PM, svetlana wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Aug 2014, at 23:42, Romaine Wiki wrote:
> > That the community reacts the way it does now, is because they care very
> > much about the site and they notice something is terrible going wrong on
> > WMF side and too less is done to fix
If the WF wasn't so willing to use force (i.e. pushing unwanted changes)
against the other party
instead of talking properly
then the superprotect wouldn't exist at all
you seeing the problem there? whose problem is it?
desire to act out of the blue instead of collaborating
they didn't collabora
2014-08-12 21:41 GMT+02:00 Magnus Manske :
> On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Henning Schlottmann <
> h.schlottm...@gmx.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > There is a common pattern in the conflicts between WMF and several
> > communities over software developments during the last few years. As I
> > wrote tw
2014-08-13 2:46 GMT+02:00 svetlana :
> On Tue, 12 Aug 2014, at 23:42, Romaine Wiki wrote:
> > That the community reacts the way it does now, is because they care very
> > much about the site and they notice something is terrible going wrong on
> > WMF side and too less is done to fix those problem
Two points I have heard off list are that 1. While it may be that disabling
MV by default for logged-in users can be done, disabling it for those not
logged-in is effectively another major UI change which a study shows likely
will make some of them leave and not return; 2. German Wikimedians are
go
Dear all,
Since many have asked why I'm stepping off the board when my term ends Dec
2014: there's no dramatic reason - it's the compulsions of time. Being on
the WMF board is immensely satisfying but also a big time commitment that I
find increasingly hard to sustain.
I intend to be around in th
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 6:26 PM, Erik Moeller wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Magnus Manske
> wrote:
>> Like many other "old hands", it seems to get in the way of my workflow. Not
>> an issue for me, as long as I can turn it off.
hehe, i suppose investing a million $$ to get you turni
On 13.08.2014 02:48, svetlana wrote:
On Wed, 13 Aug 2014, at 10:46, svetlana wrote:
this community thinks that its power structures allow to tromp onto
other people
sysops aren't even held accountable
they are elected once for an infinite term
nobody reviews their contribution in position in
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