Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fellowship

Hi Florence I'm sure someone from the staff is going to explain this better later, but I will give it a shot until they do. I fielded questions about this last year, and did some clean-up work on Meta, so I looked up the information about this. I might be wrong on a couple of things, but I will

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with Rape in title under advertising pressure.

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: I was actually thinking of the board, or just Jimbo himself, rather than any wider group of luminaries (or actual Wikipedia editors). If Google wanted something, I am sure they would speak in person to the people they

[Wikimedia-l] OFFICE actions and WMF image tagging

Hi I would like to bring up an issue with office actions that was brought up elsewhere. There has been an issue on commons with User:Saibo tagging images from WMF staff. He disagreed with a particular office action taken by WMF staff. He gives an explanation with relevant diffs here[1]. The issue

Re: [Wikimedia-l] OFFICE actions and WMF image tagging

On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 11:38 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: So, can you say what it is about this that made you bring it up now, in July? I heard about this issue fairly recently, on a private list. So, you probably already know more than I do. I really don't care about the specifics of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] OFFICE actions and WMF image tagging

On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 12:35 AM, Philippe Beaudette phili...@wikimedia.orgwrote: To the best of my knowledge, no. And that's precisely why we would like a global ban policy implemented. We would prefer an established, community-monitored process that we can turn to when at all possible (and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Site notice on meta

Sure James, I can add that. Just in case, you should leave a note with the exact site notice you want, here - http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Babel since it's a meta-only issue. Regards Theo On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 12:15 PM, James Heilman jmh...@gmail.com wrote: Wondering if anyone here

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Request for comment on global bans policy

On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Philippe Beaudette phili...@wikimedia.orgwrote: Theo, Could you please expand on this a bit? I'm not sure that I understand. Is it your proposition that WMF staff shouldn't weigh in on this? Or are you surprised at the number? or what? Hi Philippe No,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Declaring my candidacy

On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 8:37 PM, Thehelpfulone thehelpfulonew...@gmail.comwrote: On 9 July 2012 13:21, Sebastian Moleski seb...@gmail.com wrote: Today, I'm declaring my candidacy for Secretary General of the Wikimedia Chapters Association. After recent conversations with a number of people

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Declaring my candidacy

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 4:48 AM, Thehelpfulone thehelpfulonew...@gmail.comwrote: On 9 July 2012 17:32, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: You are right about everything. ;) And yes, this was premature, not a lot has been decided. I think the committee learnt of this as the same time

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation Seeks Declaratory Relief in response to Legal Threats from Internet Brands

On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 5:56 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 September 2012 14:48, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 September 2012 01:46, Kelly Kay k...@wikimedia.org wrote: Today the Wikimedia Foundation filed a suit

[Wikimedia-l] The new narrowed focus by WMF

Hi Sue Gardner started working on this document on Meta a couple of weeks ago - http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sue_Gardner/Narrowing_focus The document outlines some rather big changes in the priority for WMF and future responsibilities it will agree to keep. I am surprised by how

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Democratizing the Wikimedia Foundation

On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 8:02 PM, Anders Wennersten m...@anderswennersten.sewrote: Federico Leva (Nemo) skrev 2012-11-03 15:03: Frankly, I think it's certainly not needed to dramatize it even less than it currently is (i.e. to increase its rubberstamping hall appearance). Nemo I do no

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Strange, surprising, bold and unnecessary - reply to the WMF board statement

Hey Nathan On Thu, Feb 7, 2013, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: I'm more inclined to criticize the budget and spending priorities of the WMF, to tell the truth. The various budgets for the WCA primarily went wrong in assuming that the WMF itself would provide the cash, a truly odd plan

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Strange, surprising, bold and unnecessary - reply to the WMF board statement

On Thu, Feb 7, 2013, Sarah slimvir...@gmail.com wrote: The more people are paid, the more editors we lose (or the fewer we attract), in part because they wonder why they're writing for free for an organization that pays people to do other things. I don' think anyone has been paid by WMF to

[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimediaindia-l] How to set up a SIG?

On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 7:10 PM, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com wrote: *BTW I'd like to join this Wikipedia club pune of yours along with 3 other brazilians, one of them might be under 18 - I'm not sure. I'd like to join and speak on its behalf please. * You are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimediaindia-l] How to set up a SIG?

D'oh. Wrong list. Apologies. -Theo On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 7:25 PM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 7:10 PM, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com wrote: *BTW I'd like to join this Wikipedia club pune of yours along with 3 other brazilians, one

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 6:37 PM, Dan Rosenthal swatjes...@gmail.com wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, but the WMF has used Oppenheim before for senior level hiring (appointed board members and maybe C-suite level staff? I'm not sure about that last one, but I'm almost certain I recall the WMF

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2013 scholarship now accepting application

On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.orgwrote: As a true Dutch, I should bring potatoes, peanut butter and hagelslag. Sorry, stroopwafels is the only dutch currency we recognize! (pref. with hagelslag) -Theo ___

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2013 scholarship now accepting application

On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.orgwrote: As a true Dutch, I shouldn't even consider to share... it is only to get through the days and survive without having to touch local cuisine... (French and Germans will probably be able to confirm this) :P Now, that's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

Hi Cyrano I generally agreed with your underlying sentiment in the earlier email. I do believe the board or any internal power structure of an organization, has a self-perpetuating nature that preserves itself from outside influence, and at times re-affirms its own direction. But what I do

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 7:49 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote: Not really, there are many alternatives. One of them is a NomCom which works... how? no idea. So, a one time committee from 2008 made up of largely the same individuals as the ones who will decide now, in a closed

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia (Foundation) endowment

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 2:47 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: As I understand it, the yearly annual Wikimedia Foundation budget is about $35 million. It costs about $2.5 million to keep the sites operational for a year. So even if an endowment weren't large enough to cover well over

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia (Foundation) endowment

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: Only data-center usage (facilities, bandwidth, power). It does not include capital expenditures (servers, storage, network gear, etc.; budgeted at $1.9M in 2012-13) nor ops engineering staffing, nor of course any software

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia (Foundation) endowment

Hi Michael On Fri, Mar 15, 2013, Michael Snow wikipe...@frontier.com wrote: I'm not sure why you would use traffic ranking for financial analysis, even the envelope-and-napkin kind of analysis we're engaging in here. I'm pretty confident that just because Google has been sitting at #1 for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia (Foundation) endowment

Thanks James. I guess I stand corrected. On Fri, Mar 15, 2013, Michael Snow wikipe...@frontier.com wrote: I didn't say you used traffic ranking to support your own estimate, you used it to try and rebut the estimates provided by Erik and others. That's still a kind of analysis. I was just

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia (Foundation) endowment

Going back to the original discussion. Werespielchequer added a proposal to the page[1] that is worth looking at. A good way would be to start small and move the reserve WMF carries already and invest them, then start transferring the larger donations and soliciting for the fund to large

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The case for supporting open source machine translation

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de wrote: Not just bootstrapping the content. By having the primary content be saved in a language independent form, and always translating it on the fly, it would not merely bootstrap content in different languages,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 9:32 PM, Tomasz W. Kozlowski tom...@twkozlowski.net wrote: [Yes, I do understand there is a considerable time difference, etc; I'll be patiently waiting for a response from the WMF.] Might even have to wait till Monday. This was done on a Friday night I think. There

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 5:34 AM, Tomasz W. Kozlowski tom...@twkozlowski.net wrote: So what did you want to say? I haven't been able to find any answers to any questions that have been asked by so many people in this thread. Try and be a bit nicer please. Gayle is still relatively new and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Fwd: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia Servers and Copyright Issues (David Cuenca)

On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 1:46 AM, Geoff Brigham gbrig...@wikimedia.orgwrote: As Achal pointed out, we will put resources into researching this issue in depth and hopefully finding a solution that may work. It will probably take a month or two to ensure we are looking at all possibilities to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 10:09 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak dar...@alk.edu.plwrote: hi Florence, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sock_puppetry sockpuppeting is using more than one account in the same time. There are legitimate situations when users have a new account set up (e.g. after

[Wikimedia-l] Exit Interview - Sue

Hi A few weeks ago MZMcBride proposed an exit interview for Sue on Meta. I believe his intention was something similar to Reddit's IAmA. I thought that this was a good idea and supported it. Sue has been at the helm for a long while, it would be interesting to get her reflection on all the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

I don't understand this line of discussion. From an intelligence stand-point, the goal of the program seems to be communication interception COMINT through SIGAD means. From phone calls, to emails, to private and public posts. I'm not sure how that would have any bearing on Wikipedia though, the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 6:33 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: Wikipedia is not a top traffic website from people editing. 99% of the traffic is reading/searching. Yes, and I as I pointed to the email written by Domas, that those logs don't exist. We know that people's Google

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 7:31 PM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: Or DeCSS, or AACS, .. Or 2012 Benghazi attack, Efforts to impeach Barack Obama, Drone attacks in Pakistan, .. Or PRISM (surveillance program), Edward Snowden, Bradley Manning, .. It would be good *if* the WMF can

Re: [Wikimedia-l] letter from the FDC to the WMF

This seems like a preposterous proposition, if not for the distinct recollection that this might have been insinuated by Ms. Gardner in the discussion leading up to the formation of FDC. It still reads like a poorly thought out attempt at some form of a coup or the making of one. This is as bad an

Re: [Wikimedia-l] letter from the FDC to the WMF

Hi Nemo I'll get straight to my point here before answering in-line. I see this as yet another move to change or one-up the power structures at play here. WMF created this FDC to evaluate chapter finances, FDC is still limited in what they believe is their scope, WMF still has a great deal of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Silly question? - What list is meant for what?

On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Rui Correia correia@gmail.com wrote: Nemo I am not sure I understand your cryptic message I believe he meant that you were writing to the same list. (Wikimedia-l was formerly Foundation-l, it was renamed a while ago by Erik). If you read in context, he

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal: List administration policy

On Sat, Jul 12, 2014, Richard Ames rich...@ames.id.au wrote: I think it is very difficult to have hard 'rules'. The guidelines have been published and are referred to in the footer of each messages sent from this list. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Ya, those

[Wikimedia-l] WMF as an advertiser

Hi I started writing some common thoughts on WMF fundraising, particularly the whole notion of advertising. I've always thought of evaluating WMF as just another advertiser that uses banners. I started this essay on Meta[1]. We certainly claim to be free from advertisement. How about we consider

Re: [Wikimedia-l] internet-in-a-boxs to the refugee camps?

Heh, It's times like these I realize I'm still in a minority here. As one of the few non-american/european readers of the list, my perspective, differs on this issue. I don't know what people imagine when they think of the conditions in these refugee camps. Allow me to paint a picture using

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase in size of the core editing community

Greetings James. Your response here seems unhelpful and mind I suggest, snarky. You are essentially arguing over semantics. You object to the usage of a term - "core editing community", then suggest his titles is faulty and misleading while suggesting almost antithetical alternatives. You end by

Re: [Wikimedia-l] internet-in-a-boxs to the refugee camps?

Hiya Lodewijk :) I apologize if this is going off-topic. On Sat, Sep 12, 2015, Lodewijk wrote: > Interesting. Over here, the 'experts' are adjusting the image exactly the > other way around: that smartphones are much more common there than we would > expect, and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by Signpost

I thought the mandate of this committee was to facilitate and coordinate bidding, set up policy and best practices. The page on Meta still mention the same as its purpose[1]. When did a committee intended to facilitate an already established, open process make the leap to downright owning the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by Signpost

Hi I think we are all jumping ahead about the committee's status first of all. It's mandate was never to make such broad changes. If you would read the talk page on meta from 2010 on this issue, there are comments there from me and others where the envisioned goal of this committee was to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by Signpost

I see the talk page on Meta for this committee hasn't been updated since 2013. I copied James' update to the talk page. I am going to oppose there and ask anyone else interested in reverting this decision to comment on meta[1]. This needs consensus, but more so, a choice, that was never given to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Something

Blind, impotent rage isn't helpful, neither are conjectures about the abstract and nebulous nature of "something". Let's try and remember, this is the same pattern as every other last time, most people commenting here are in agreement, this was wrong or at the least, this was handled poorly, and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thank you, Jan-Bart and Stu

A big Thank you from me too, to both these wonderful people. We've certainly had our share of disagreements in other venues, but I've always thought highly of both. Stu is an excellent financial strategists, with an understanding for what matters. His work with the audits and general business

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Strategic plan

On Thu, Jan 7, 2016, Pete Forsyth wrote: > > Me, editorializing, very briefly for now: > > This answer is very bizarre. Characterizing the 2010 process as having been > "outsourced" or not involving staff is wildly inaccurate, as I'm sure > anybody on staff (or on the Board

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF trustee Arnnon Geshuri and part in anticompetitive agreements in Google

Hey Fae On Sat, Jan 9, 2016, Fæ wrote: > > LOL. > Jeez, this board are complacent beyond the point of incompetence. We > are well overdue for a major turnover of board members. For goodness > sake, what a bunch of clowns we have put in charge of the cash cow. I know there

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

Denny, there was very little substantive content in your email. As with the explanation from other trustees, this too, has the same markings of subterfuge and evasionary tactics. It has been established beyond doubt that there were "trust" issues. Repeating it or any variation thereof by another

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Shared list

I am totally with Benjamin on this. On Tue, Feb 23, 2016, Oliver Keyes wrote: > "sorely under-represented perspective" or not, that kind of attitude > is of course going to piss people off. And it may be that denying the > value of peoples' experiences or dismissing their

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why we changed

Is it time for a #IamwithVibber tag now? :) It might be time to consider just promoting Brion or something? (as deputy or head of engineering). There is no one the community would trust more on the engineering needs of WMF. And from the looks of it, he does have the support of staff and isn't

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

Hmm. I wonder if Jimmy is going to be named the interim bosssomeone has to be. Finding an ED is a long painful process, something that is bound to get more difficult after Lila and Arnon. The only question is, if the board brings back someone or chooses to promote/move someone around. Food

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timeline of recent events at the Wikimedia Foundation

Good Job GW! Please consider (for later) either linking or making a wiki version for Meta. Thanks for making this effort. On Tue, Feb 23, 2016, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > > All the shit from mailinglists is missing. For the temperature aka the > understanding of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your questions about KE.

On Thu, Feb 18, 2016, Bence Damokos wrote: > > Just as a courtesy to those who follow the topic here on the mailing list, > can you please send an update to this list whenever there is new content on > the page, or at least when there are significant changes? This seemed

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An Open Letter to Wikimedia Foundation BoT

As I see it, there are 2 large issues here. The staff morale and distrust being the first. The exodus of a good chunk of staff was expected at the beginning - Erik and a few others were too much a part of Sue's leadership and it seemed natural. New leadership would entail, a new leadership style,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Our problem with India

Milos, I hope this wasn't the participation you expected when you said you wanted to hear from Indian wikipedians. ;) While I know where Milos, Gerard and even Amir are coming from, I don't know about this talk of "lower-class". Unless you are not talking about economics and income level here,