Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero mass effect on Wikimedia projects

On 27 March 2016 at 23:00, David Emrany wrote: > You are imposing "modern" 1st world standards on these poor people. > Many I remind you to remember how many 1st world Commons bureaucrats > and admins were doing something similar / identical [1] only a few > years ago at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero mass effect on Wikimedia projects

Hi, Angola is not alone. Bangladesh also started the practice. :-P Now there is a good number of Facebook groups and pages to do this kind of piracy related works through Commons. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:NahidSultan/Bangladesh_Facebook_Case They are even creating manuals in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero mass effect on Wikimedia projects

Hoi, So what are you saying? It is ok for people to do dastardly things and abuse Commons and it is even worse when people at Commons use the environment they know, the Internet, to do some research and expose what they find? Really? And I must be impressed when Mr Kolbe asks attention for it??

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero mass effect on Wikimedia projects

It's ordinary countervandalism, honestly I cannot find anything questionable but maybe a missed something. Vito 2016-03-24 9:04 GMT+01:00 David Emrany : > Dear Gerard > > Correspondingly, what I find unconscionable for us is that a small > group of Commons editors

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero mass effect on Wikimedia projects

Dear Gerard Correspondingly, what I find unconscionable for us is that a small group of Commons editors /admins congregated on the talk page of 'Teles' and discussed how to secretly spy on these new Zeropaid enabled editors and monitor their Facebook-basic pages [1], [2]. IMO had this been more

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero mass effect on Wikimedia projects

Personally I'd say "it's 100% wrong" but "not 100% to blame". I've just made https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T130761 IMHO we need to address the problem form a technical point of view, implicitly discarding "block'em all" options. Vito 2016-03-23 19:42 GMT+01:00 Keegan Peterzell

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero mass effect on Wikimedia projects

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 1:26 PM, Keegan Peterzell wrote: > > > On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Ziko van Dijk wrote: > >> Actually, I am quite appalled by the article. Whether one wants to see >> something positive in pirating or not, the Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero mass effect on Wikimedia projects

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Ziko van Dijk wrote: > Actually, I am quite appalled by the article. Whether one wants to see > something positive in pirating or not, the Wikimedia servers are not meant > for this purpose (for good reasons). Breaking rules and taking abuse

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero mass effect on Wikimedia projects

Actually, I am quite appalled by the article. Whether one wants to see something positive in pirating or not, the Wikimedia servers are not meant for this purpose (for good reasons). Breaking rules and taking abuse of an opportunity is not a goal by itself. Kind regards Ziko Am Mittwoch, 23.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero mass effect on Wikimedia projects

This is an important issue and how Wikimedia and the community handles it is very important. I would caution that even those who are pirating and sharing copyrighted materials are not "bad actors," they are people who have no other file sharing options who have found a creative solution in the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero mass effect on Wikimedia projects

Motherboard today has a fairly comprehensive report on this: Angola’s Wikipedia Pirates Are Exposing the Problems With Digital Colonialism http://motherboard.vice.com/read/wikipedia-zero-facebook-free-basics-angola-pirates-zero-rating On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Mwaoshe Njemah

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero mass effect on Wikimedia projects

Reminder: Wikipedia Zero is actually a very good thing. We are hoping to improve the quality and quantity of articles Mwaoshe Njemah, Siku Ya Wiki Project On 21 Mar 2016 09:58, "WereSpielChequers" wrote: > Is much of the problem about differing varieties of

[Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero mass effect on Wikimedia projects

WereSpielChequers, the different varieties of Portuguese is not the problem here. It actually hasn't been a problem for a while. :))) James and Adele, I am sincerely happy to know that WMF is not only aware of it but also applying and thinking about measures to solve the problem. Maybe opening

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero mass effect on Wikimedia projects

Is much of the problem about differing varieties of Portuguese? Last I heard the Portuguese language Wikipedia allowed multiple versions of Portuguese in a similar way to English - i.e. standardised at the article level not the project level; Though the editing base is much more skewed to Brazil

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero mass effect on Wikimedia projects

Hello I am with all of those who see this as a positive thing. But perhaps a bit of gentle curation of their initial experience could be the "fix" that is needed rather than just cutting any fledgeling editors off altogether. How about the following ... reader decides to edit > clicks on edit

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero mass effect on Wikimedia projects

Aye, what Vito said. For some context the WP0 team reached out to me when the partners started flagging some of this as well. We've been considering a couple different options which I think should be wider discussed. Part of that was also a realization that we needed a way to actually tell if

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero mass effect on Wikimedia projects

In a way, it is great to hear that Wikipedia zero is attracting new editors! That is what I hoped for more than increasing readership. The general question on how to stimulate positive edits while discouraging negative contributions is the tricky part. What we always tell outsiders on why we can

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero mass effect on Wikimedia projects

. --Steinsplitter > From: gerard.meijs...@gmail.com > Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2016 12:51:07 +0100 > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero mass effect on Wikimedia projects > > Hoi, > Realistically. Wikipedia is very much an enabler. >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero mass effect on Wikimedia projects

Hoi, Realistically. Wikipedia is very much an enabler. Your ease to consider "simply" disabling mobile edits or uploads I find appalling. People in countries like USA or UK are very fortunate. Nobody would ever argue to disable their edits or uploads. At the same time as a movement we desperately

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero mass effect on Wikimedia projects

Hi Adele Can we have a clear picture of Wikimedia's ‘complicated’ relationship with net neutrality - 1year on from the Washington Post story [1] Can we also have specific figures on how much of WMF's traffic has been lost / gained from key markets in Latin America and Asia after regulators have

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero mass effect on Wikimedia projects

Il 19/03/2016 13:57, Gnangarra ha scritto: ​outside the US things like copyright isnt respected, enforced or even part of a person education Not really. We also have the URAA which even Commons has struggled with swings in interpretation over the last few years Definitely a fail of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero mass effect on Wikimedia projects

On 19 March 2016 at 19:30, Benjamin Lees wrote: > On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 7:50 PM, Gnangarra wrote: > > of course I dont expect > > people to know their copyright laws in detail or to have read them but > they > > do know the principles of it and what

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero mass effect on Wikimedia projects

On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 7:50 PM, Gnangarra wrote: > of course I dont expect > people to know their copyright laws in detail or to have read them but they > do know the principles of it and what they can do Are you sure? In the US, at least, industry groups go to a lot of

[Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero mass effect on Wikimedia projects

Hi, everyone. It is being recently reported on Portuguese Wikipedia and Commons (at least) the increasing ammount of improper editing coming from IP addresses located in Angola. Some users believe that this may be related with Wikipedia Zero and a partnership between WMF and a cellphone company

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero mass effect on Wikimedia projects

Hi Teles, As the head of the Wikipedia Zero program, I would like to respond and provide more context to the important challenges you are bringing up. Last year, the Foundation increased our security and privacy by requiring HTTPS to access all Wikimedia projects. That change has greatly

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero mass effect on Wikimedia projects

some of the issue stems form the copyright laws of Angola, which are really interesting to read -- read them in english -- https://www.copyright-watch.org/files/Angola.pdf of course I dont expect people to know their copyright laws in detail or to have read them but they do know the principles of